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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.10.09 20:43:00 -
[721]
Originally by: Rod Blaine
Originally by: Tadis Lot harder to defend against a dozen small roaming fleets with objectives and planned withdrawal strategies than it is a singular system. I know which I'd prefer to co-ordinate defence against anyhow ^^
You're assuming there's something to defend from small fleets.
Large fleets can hurt your pos, small ones cannot. All they can achieve is resticting the freedom to travel, and that's easily dealt with if you are well organised isn't it ?
And anyway, we're better at playing that game then they are, that's porbably why they came to TPAR in the first place.
Indeed Rod, small fleets roaming around don't accomplish a whole lot......
but....
Hasn't ASCN been boasting of fleets up to 400 pilots strong?
/emote does some arm-chair strategizing :
Lets assume that ASCN actually has a balanced number of Capitals to go with that 400 man fleet ... a capital fleet of ~ 60 sounds appropriate.
Instead of trying to setup one beach-head, ASCN could with those kind of numbers actually try to setup two beach-heads (Beach-head A and Beach-head B). Sure its a little more complicated logistically than dog-piling everybody into one location... but it forces BoB to make a decision.. split its forces, or fight off one of the attacks.
Whichever decision BoB would take, there would be benefits...
If BoB kept its forces in one location (Beach head A), then BoB is gonna absolutely come out ontop there. However at Beach-head B, ASCN forces would have free reign.
If BoB splits their forces, this also has benefits, for starters there will be less lag... and also it makes the logistics of defending, that much harder, at the very least ASCN pilots might be able to activate their modules before crashing the nodes and achieve better BS kill ratios.
As it stands ASCN is dog-piling everything into one area, in the hope that their vast numerical superiority will win them the day.... problem is that this strategy is catch-22.
When ASCN take their big fleet somewhere, it unvariably crashes the node.... and this gives BoB the automatic advantage because they are intrinsically more organised.
Having large numbers concentrated in a single location is not helping ASCN in the slightest.. infact it is fast becoming their achilles heel.
Fact is ASCN can field bigger fleets than BoB and instead of using those numbers wisely they are being sent straight to the slaughter house again and again...
Its sure fun to watch on the forums and for BoB, but it must be absolute hell for your regular ASCN pilot, waiting in gangs for hours and hours on end, only to end up crashing from the game and getting splattered all over Tpar before his screen loads up...
It doesnt matter, how many BS ASCN can mass-produce... a (human) pilot can only bring himself to die pointlessly a limited number of times.. after the 6 or 7th time.. it will start to wear thin.
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Tholarim
Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.09 21:06:00 -
[722]
Originally by: Sir Erighan
Originally by: Murukan How goes the siege? Have ascn been cleared out? Is the fight back in ascn space now? Hehe so many pages it's hard to sift out the good info.
We're still fighting in BoB space. TPAR and TCAG have seen most the action.
I hope you realise anyone in eve can come to our space and get slaughterd, it's not an achievement in any way.
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Ria Sotori
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.09 21:17:00 -
[723]
Originally by: Louisa Torres
Originally by: Murukan How goes the siege? Have ascn been cleared out? Is the fight back in ascn space now? Hehe so many pages it's hard to sift out the good info.
2 large pos left (one reinforced, one is dieing as we speak).
Large hostile gang in g-m.
1 hostile pos (untouched) in tcag.
Raids are (and have been) continuing in ASCN space.
Just to add to Louisa's summary.
I really dont have any complaints with the average ASCN pilot who actually shows up, is ready to fight and willing to die for there cause. Some of the moves the past week have showed testicular fortitude most alliances lack when facing b0b but poor follow through / execution. The FC's at first were of course willing to engage us close to 1-1 but now its gotten ridiculous.
We can jump into a system. wave our hineys and wait for lag to clear and STILL The opposing FC's wont attack. 150-70 200-70 doesnt seem to matter. I swear it seems to me they want 4-5 to 1 before they think of a slugfest.
Perhaps this is because of Cyvoks berating of your FC's for losing battles. Now there timid to commit ? dunno. but anyway as I said I always have respect for any pilot willing to die time and time again for there cause. I think if anything this was has proven to ASCN that teh blob is not the end all and be all solution to a battle. Before this, ASCN has been able to intimidate neighbors with numbers and station camping.
That just doesnt work with b0b
P.S. seems I am beginning to see the same faces over and over in my gunsights from the opposing side. If I were you I would take a long hard look at my fellow alliance members to see who is really sitting there next to you dying for your rights and beliefs.... and who is up in the safer zones mining and ratting and basically freeloading off your effort.
androsix > GM: can you please enforce a truce while the rest of ASCN/AXE ships can log in |
ponieus
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.09 21:21:00 -
[724]
Originally by: Sir Erighan
Originally by: Murukan How goes the siege? Have ascn been cleared out? Is the fight back in ascn space now? Hehe so many pages it's hard to sift out the good info.
We're still fighting in BoB space. TPAR and TCAG have seen most the action. We've taken heavy losses. BoB has taken losses as well. It's taking us a while to learn how to fight under the current game issues. Most fleet battles have not been battles at all, rather who wins the lag/relog wars. AAA, D2, BE and Solid Line are fighting against us in our home space. BoB drops better loot than ASCN BoB is not killing ASCN as much as ASCN is killing themselves. The current state of the game is beyond terrible.
We're still fighting in BoB space. --yep and its fun thanks TPAR and TCAG have seen most the action. -- not really just clearing up junk We've taken heavy losses. -- no doubt BoB has taken losses as well. -- sure I guess if you wanna call them losses It's taking us a while to learn how to fight under the current game issues. -- umm since when has the game been differnt. Its teh same its just well you are realizing now that blobs dont mean much. Most fleet battles have not been battles at all, rather who wins the lag/relog wars. -- not true we have beaten you up on the battlefeild palnety of times without the node crashing AAA, D2, BE and Solid Line are fighting against us in our home space. -- over commited ? BoB drops better loot than ASCN -- yeah we tend to do that. BoB is not killing ASCN as much as ASCN is killing themselves. -- This is by far the truest statment ever any ASCN member has posted about this war The current state of the game is beyond terrible. -- aye its not that bad when you think about how many we have everyday engaging on the same nodes.. but yeah it lags but its still playable.
--------------------------------------------- Maybe we will win the war by getting every bob pilot banned from eve maybe.:/
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The Armin
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.09 21:26:00 -
[725]
Mmmm bobbits loot, they drop the bestest loot yarr :D /miss Fountain
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.09 21:29:00 -
[726]
Nez, I'm sure we wouldn't mind one bit if they tried that. committing their capital fleet sounds like something we would like to see happen I'd say.
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WETRAIN
Minmatar Solidline Enterprise
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Posted - 2006.10.09 21:37:00 -
[727]
Originally by: Sir Erighan
Originally by: Murukan
Solid Line are fighting against us in our home space.
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When People are Ready the Master will come. - Original by Anihilus- |
Cmd Woodlouse
Solidline Enterprise
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Posted - 2006.10.09 21:43:00 -
[728]
Originally by: Louisa Torres
Originally by: Butter Dog I'm curious. What exactly have you personally accomplished that he has not?
I don't play EvE as an individual, BD, I play it for my gang, my corp and my alliance.
That still is no answer for this really valid question --------------------------------
Spain ftw! |
zeitza ta
Gallente Solidline Enterprise
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Posted - 2006.10.09 21:46:00 -
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i hope you are happy when we kill you !!!
P.S. Cyvok i whant to kill your titan Even if you are the best you are going down, dont hope that you will survive for ever you dont have any chance when i'm there, be prepared when you see me |
Bizarre
TAOSP
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Posted - 2006.10.09 21:50:00 -
[730]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Louisa Torres
Originally by: Butter Dog I'm curious. What exactly have you personally accomplished that he has not?
I don't play EvE as an individual, BD, I play it for my gang, my corp and my alliance.
That still is no answer for this really valid question
Do you even know who Louisa Torres is? I'm guessing you don't otherwise you wouldn't come up with such a stupid reply. ------------------
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ponieus
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.09 21:50:00 -
[731]
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
Originally by: Louisa Torres
Originally by: Butter Dog I'm curious. What exactly have you personally accomplished that he has not?
I don't play EvE as an individual, BD, I play it for my gang, my corp and my alliance.
That still is no answer for this really valid question
yes it is.. Just cause we are differnt than you doesnt mean are answers dont hold the truth..
BoB are all about BoB and not about indivduals. You of all people should know this after our long history.
BoB are differnt than anyone else. We accept that why cant you?
--------------------------------------------- Maybe we will win the war by getting every bob pilot banned from eve maybe.:/
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.10.09 21:52:00 -
[732]
Originally by: Bizarre
Do you even know who Louisa Torres is? I'm guessing you don't otherwise you wouldn't come up with such a stupid reply.
heh exactly the same thought went through my mind....that was a stupid reply Woodlouse..
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Ab Initio
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.09 22:16:00 -
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I have a question for the guys saying that the only way we are getting kills is because of node crashes and relogging.
Do you have first hand experience of this, or is this what your alliance mates are telling you?
I know personally, I have been in constant fleet fights from the moment I login each day, till the moment I log out and yet I haven't seen a node crash during my timezone in a week and a half (I play during US/EU timezones on weekends as well). I have however seen lots of good battles and exploding ships.
Yes, I have no doubt that some kills are happening after relogging. As one of the ASCN members said earlier, they have people logging back in an hour after the crash and then being suprised when they get ganked. But the majority of kills are happening in stand up fights, the people taking part in these fights know the truth whether it makes it as far as there alliance mates or not.
Good fight to the guys in TCAG yesterday. But if you're going to go for close range, don't stop at 75, come in at 15. Been too long since a good close range slug fest. :)
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Roxanna Kell
Holy Jihad
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Posted - 2006.10.09 22:24:00 -
[734]
Originally by: Tholarim
Originally by: Sir Erighan
Originally by: Murukan How goes the siege? Have ascn been cleared out? Is the fight back in ascn space now? Hehe so many pages it's hard to sift out the good info.
We're still fighting in BoB space. TPAR and TCAG have seen most the action.
I hope you realise anyone in eve can come to our space and get slaughterd, it's not an achievement in any way.
you are talking to ASCN thol, they never leave their space (only few). G alliance after securing AZN didnt brag about it this much.
Quote: "Don't touch the red button!"
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Louisa Torres
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.09 22:27:00 -
[735]
Edited by: Louisa Torres on 09/10/2006 22:27:36 Heh, I think u got your answer, Woodie ;)
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Lone Bear
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.09 22:31:00 -
[736]
Originally by: zeitza ta i hope you are happy when we kill you !!!
P.S. Cyvok i whant to kill your titan
♥ Zeit
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VonKaplanek III
Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.09 23:03:00 -
[737]
Real classy! Nothing but pages and pages filled with arrogant puke spewing trolls and their spin master alts talking to each other.
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Darcuese
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.09 23:04:00 -
[738]
Originally by: VonKaplanek III Real classy! Nothing but pages and pages filled with arrogant puke spewing trolls and their spin master alts talking to each other.
I wish i could be clever as you Discussing moderation in your signature is bad. Don't do it- Tirg Imperial Academy is currently recruiting Paragol Soul residents |
Louisa Torres
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.09 23:09:00 -
[739]
Originally by: VonKaplanek III Real classy! Nothing but pages and pages filled with arrogant puke spewing trolls and their spin master alts talking to each other.
Our dreads are now finishing off your last POS in TPAR.
That's, for those that are counting, number THIRTEEN.
All the while your fleet is sat grooming each other in TCAG and outnumbering us by the usual 2:1.
Bring it?
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Weebear
Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.09 23:22:00 -
[740]
Originally by: Ab Initio I have a question for the guys saying that the only way we are getting kills is because of node crashes and relogging.
Do you have first hand experience of this, or is this what your alliance mates are telling you?
not one of the guys saying it's the only way you get killed, but my node crash experience went like this...
On Sunday, one of your gangs jumped in on us and i lost a Tempest. I managed to get my pod out to a POS, but before I could do anything else the node crashed. I tried to log back in immediately, but kept being met by a black screen. After about 5 mins trying, i did get back in and found myself warping back to a gate into the middle of a BoB gang. Although it didn't result in my pod being lost as I managed to warp out quickly, i can see why people logging back in BS are being picked off.
I spent all morning configuring my client as well ans never got so muh as a lock on a target |
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Sir JoJo
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.09 23:32:00 -
[741]
Originally by: Weebear
Originally by: Ab Initio I have a question for the guys saying that the only way we are getting kills is because of node crashes and relogging.
Do you have first hand experience of this, or is this what your alliance mates are telling you?
not one of the guys saying it's the only way you get killed, but my node crash experience went like this...
On Sunday, one of your gangs jumped in on us and i lost a Tempest. I managed to get my pod out to a POS, but before I could do anything else the node crashed. I tried to log back in immediately, but kept being met by a black screen. After about 5 mins trying, i did get back in and found myself warping back to a gate into the middle of a BoB gang. Although it didn't result in my pod being lost as I managed to warp out quickly, i can see why people logging back in BS are being picked off.
I spent all morning configuring my client as well ans never got so muh as a lock on a target
Sounds like u experience what most of bob ppl also do..
thing is after a node crash no one really knows where excatly u are if u for example just came out of warp and the node crash u prolly end up at the spot u where before warping. happens all the time..
ohh and some times ppl manage to stop there warp when logging back in sometimes not... but i usually just spam CTRL space.
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Rikeka
Amarr Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.10 00:06:00 -
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Is it possible to, when node crashes, log back and when in warp logoff again? Would that not, next time you log, leave you where you logged for tha last time and not in the middle of the camp?
Or there is not even time for that?
My knowledge of the mechanics of the game is limited, and dunno if I made myself clear.
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Louisa Torres
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 00:10:00 -
[743]
Originally by: Rikeka Is it possible to, when node crashes, log back and when in warp logoff again? Would that not, next time you log, leave you where you logged for tha last time and not in the middle of the camp?
Or there is not even time for that?
My knowledge of the mechanics of the game is limited, and dunno if I made myself clear.
Borderline exploit that one, I think.
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Kcel Chim
Caldari Arcane Technologies The Five
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Posted - 2006.10.10 00:14:00 -
[744]
Originally by: Louisa Torres
Originally by: VonKaplanek III Real classy! Nothing but pages and pages filled with arrogant puke spewing trolls and their spin master alts talking to each other.
Our dreads are now finishing off your last POS in TPAR.
That's, for those that are counting, number THIRTEEN.
All the while your fleet is sat grooming each other in TCAG and outnumbering us by the usual 2:1.
Bring it?
if that info is correct then cyvok will have to reevaluate his beachhead invasion. After losing 13 towers, 350 bs, far more support and a handfull of capital ships his invasion fleet is on the backfoot. Frontline supply depots are empty (atleast if it comes to battleships) and the idea to tie bob down in its own home doesnt seem to work either judging from their lightning raids deep into feythabolis and other ascn regions.
One might ask how far Cyvok will go with this operation where it gets obvious its a matter of either losing face by calling it off and admitting it was a failure or sending more troops into the meatgrinder of delve in the vain hope to get miraculously the upperhand?
Unless the US timezone Ascn fleet makes a difference the tpar invasion seems to end with bob 1 : Ascn 0.
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 00:27:00 -
[745]
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Originally by: Louisa Torres
Originally by: VonKaplanek III Real classy! Nothing but pages and pages filled with arrogant puke spewing trolls and their spin master alts talking to each other.
Our dreads are now finishing off your last POS in TPAR.
That's, for those that are counting, number THIRTEEN.
All the while your fleet is sat grooming each other in TCAG and outnumbering us by the usual 2:1.
Bring it?
if that info is correct then cyvok will have to reevaluate his beachhead invasion. After losing 13 towers, 350 bs, far more support and a handfull of capital ships his invasion fleet is on the backfoot. Frontline supply depots are empty (atleast if it comes to battleships) and the idea to tie bob down in its own home doesnt seem to work either judging from their lightning raids deep into feythabolis and other ascn regions.
One might ask how far Cyvok will go with this operation where it gets obvious its a matter of either losing face by calling it off and admitting it was a failure or sending more troops into the meatgrinder of delve in the vain hope to get miraculously the upperhand?
Unless the US timezone Ascn fleet makes a difference the tpar invasion seems to end with bob 1 : Ascn 0.
Job is complete.
They can throw themselves at us like this from now until christmas and we'll be very happy indeed.
Eve Blacklight Style
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HostageTaker
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 01:37:00 -
[746]
Originally by: Kcel Chim
Originally by: Louisa Torres
Originally by: VonKaplanek III Real classy! Nothing but pages and pages filled with arrogant puke spewing trolls and their spin master alts talking to each other.
Our dreads are now finishing off your last POS in TPAR.
That's, for those that are counting, number THIRTEEN.
All the while your fleet is sat grooming each other in TCAG and outnumbering us by the usual 2:1.
Bring it?
if that info is correct then cyvok will have to reevaluate his beachhead invasion. After losing 13 towers, 350 bs, far more support and a handfull of capital ships his invasion fleet is on the backfoot. Frontline supply depots are empty (atleast if it comes to battleships) and the idea to tie bob down in its own home doesnt seem to work either judging from their lightning raids deep into feythabolis and other ascn regions.
One might ask how far Cyvok will go with this operation where it gets obvious its a matter of either losing face by calling it off and admitting it was a failure or sending more troops into the meatgrinder of delve in the vain hope to get miraculously the upperhand?
Unless the US timezone Ascn fleet makes a difference the tpar invasion seems to end with bob 1 : Ascn 0.
The TPAR-G siege was only the warmup round. We're all stretched and ready now. Let's get it on ASCN!
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 02:06:00 -
[747]
Originally by: HostageTaker
The TPAR-G siege was only the warmup round. We're all stretched and ready now. Let's get it on ASCN!
Errm ... NO! As the well informed Third party analyists of this war who know more than we do , our industrial back grounds is bad and we lose a lot of T2 stuff that we cant replace so i think we are totaly drained i am afraid that the ebil hobbits plan has worked
The next few days the KBs will show some real overseas carnage "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
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pershphanie
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 02:12:00 -
[748]
Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen The sole purpose of such a propaganda machine is to demoralise the enemy. Time will tell if it works - It seems to have served BoB well in the past though.
I hear someone say something this in pretty much every bob thread always followed by some antibob bs. I guess my question is how is a bob member talking about the facts that occured so far propaganda and people such as yourself comming on this thread (who arent even involved) not propaganda? Bob has invact successfully put a halt to the ASCN attempted siege of TPAR to this point and bob has routed ASCN in terms of kills and losses so far. Those statements arent manipulated in any way. It is what happend.
How is stating what happend propaganda or arrogence? Have any of you antibob folks who come on here spewing crap like that considered that you might be the ones bending the truth and spewing propaganda?
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welsh wizard
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.10.10 02:14:00 -
[749]
Originally by: pershphanie
Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen The sole purpose of such a propaganda machine is to demoralise the enemy. Time will tell if it works - It seems to have served BoB well in the past though.
I hear someone say something this in pretty much every bob thread always followed by some antibob bs. I guess my question is how is a bob member talking about the facts that occured so far propaganda and people such as yourself comming on this thread (who arent even involved) not propaganda? Bob has invact successfully put a halt to the ASCN attempted siege of TPAR to this point and bob has routed ASCN in terms of kills and losses so far. Those statements arent manipulated in any way. It is what happend.
How is stating what happend propaganda or arrogence? Have any of you antibob folks who come on here spewing crap like that considered that you might be the ones bending the truth and spewing propaganda?
I think its generally agreed that your alliance does it and does it very well persh.
Digi is a complete pro, he should be a journalist for the Sun or the Mirror tbh.
Originally by: anonymous If you're being chased by a police dog, try not to go through a tunnel, then on to a little seesaw, then jump through a hoop of fire. They're trained for that.
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pershphanie
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.10 03:44:00 -
[750]
Originally by: welsh wizard
I think its generally agreed that your alliance does it and does it very well persh.
Its only agreed upon by a vocal group of people who hate bob to begin with. This thread is a perfect example. Bob stating facts = propaganda. Random person who already hates bob makes a smart ass comment and its truth? I dont think so. All objectivity from the anti-bob squad has been lost.
It is indeed a fact not propaganda that ASCN's conquests in TPAR have been a failure in every way. They took heavy losses and did not complete their objectives. When you guys try and claim that is all propaganda it just makes you guys lose all credibility.
My point being that if smacktalking bob is what floats your boat you guys should consider picking your spots better. You just say the same thing over and over. "its all propaganda" does not apply in every situation. There really is some asskicking going on here.
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