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BlackRain
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.08 02:33:00 -
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All I can say about this thread now that CYVOK posted is:
Haha.
That is all. -------------------
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.08 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Gyro DuAquin1
Originally by: Lord Stone
Originally by: Zeveron BlaBlaBla
So you think we want the easy kills, that we set up so you lag more?
We gave you chance to set up a camp. The gates were clear for a long time. You just sat there at a safe, outnumbering us, and not doing anything about it. So once it was established you weren't gonna take initiative, we did. We sat on a gate with about 1/2 - 1/3 you numbers FOR 3 HOURS untill you finally came in. THEN the node crashed.
So yeah, kudos to us, we have larger cohones. FAR larger.
so nothing has changed in a year of ascn being ganged, engaged and whatnot - intresting.
wish u guys fun
m8 what has changed is the size of gangs and servers - I have been looking forward for an epic battle with insane ammount of ships involved but every *single* time its been a node crash
I dont want to take anything away from bob k/d achievements, I think they would be very high even without the node crashes but there has been an insane ammount of losses due to simple login races after the node crashes, those races we lose everytime, and that turns into a lot of frustration into people which eventually lead them all to believe enemy is using some elaborate exploit and whatnot just justify the faster logins.
Yes, big losses are expected because as an alliance we really havent had any major fleet action on a everyday basis since the G war last december - but the advantage we have been always relying on, that is the higher numbers, is taken away by the fact over a certain treshold the node simply dies. Every. Single. Time.
My experience so far in this conflict? Waiting for hours for gangs to gather and finally jump into a system just to get 5 minutes of fights followed by total node collapse.
P.S.: Oh, to all the ex ascn showing up to tell us how much we suck... well if you think we suck so much you should have tried harder to make things work back when you were members, you know, before you decided to run off to some other alredy more established alliance.
- Gob
[IXC] Admiral Goberius |
analev godder
The Syndicate Inc Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.08 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Goberth Ludwig
My experience so far in this conflict? Waiting for hours for gangs to gather and finally jump into a system just to get 5 minutes of fights followed by total node collapse.
Lucky you you actually had 5 minutes of fight. So far my day consisted of waiting for hours. then when finally we are going to have some fun the node dies. Bob logs in faster so i watch the login screen. Login regroup. When we try again rince repeat. But got sick of my login screen after 45 mins of hostile reports.
No offence to bob but node death so far seems to favor your fleets.
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Don ZOLA
Caldari TunDraGon
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Posted - 2006.10.08 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: Ulynidd Thread cleaned up a little.
Please dont derail the thread again.
It is quite nice to see threads like this spicing up the forums, keeps us on our toes
its funny how some threads where bob gets "attacked" with some valid facts get locked and deleted very fast, but on the other side threads where bob members insult and flame other ppl r "spicing up the forums", isnt it ?
oh and for a record, LUKEC doesnt honour 1vs1.
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Mickey Mouse
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Posted - 2006.10.08 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Don ZOLA
Originally by: Ulynidd Thread cleaned up a little.
Please dont derail the thread again.
It is quite nice to see threads like this spicing up the forums, keeps us on our toes
its funny how some threads where bob gets "attacked" with some valid facts get locked and deleted very fast, but on the other side threads where bob members insult and flame other ppl r "spicing up the forums", isnt it ?
oh and for a record, LUKEC doesnt honour 1vs1.
you noticed that too?
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Deathsoul
Caldari Evolution
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Posted - 2006.10.08 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: papaPadla OMG im tired of all the forums thing.
BOB has more... let's be honest... A ****LOAD MORE experience of running gang's and fleets and reacting under pressure. This ofcourse includes tricks about how the server works... how to avoid lag, how to login faster... etc
Try to learn how to fight better not how to complain better.
My thanks to all bob pilots teaching me (and all of ASCN) how to fight better, to organise better, giving those that are willing the so much needed fight experience. I know that specially those that lost ships to bob are now better pilots beacouse of it.
Again, my thanks.
You are the first ASCN pilot i have respect for, and your worth it for your point of wiev. Hat of to you.
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Kryztal
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.08 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Deathsoul
Originally by: papaPadla OMG im tired of all the forums thing.
BOB has more... let's be honest... A ****LOAD MORE experience of running gang's and fleets and reacting under pressure. This ofcourse includes tricks about how the server works... how to avoid lag, how to login faster... etc
Try to learn how to fight better not how to complain better.
My thanks to all bob pilots teaching me (and all of ASCN) how to fight better, to organise better, giving those that are willing the so much needed fight experience. I know that specially those that lost ships to bob are now better pilots beacouse of it.
Again, my thanks.
You are the first ASCN pilot i have respect for, and your worth it for your point of wiev. Hat of to you.
I'll second that.
LoL the H4x and Xploit accusations are cute though :P keep it up, very amusing :P
BobÖ Goon Swatter - Eliminates Every Goon |
Riddari
Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.08 03:37:00 -
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With reversed roles, had BOB been putting up POSes in AZN, a similar post would have been created the minute the first POS was launched.
Followed, as we can see in this thread, by 40 subsequent BOBs.
The simple fact that it was not until over 24 hours later that the first mention of this escaped unto the forums shows the exemplary behaviour of ASCN members and demonstrates BOBs surprise.
It is now day 3-4 of the ASCN offensive. Wars last months.
We are ready.
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vile56
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.08 03:46:00 -
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DRUNAK FLEET AOPS FTW
omg nerdy
thnis makes me haphpy
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Cyleth
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.08 03:49:00 -
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Village People 1 - 0 ASCN
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Low Blow
Amarr Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.08 03:51:00 -
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Drakma
Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.08 03:59:00 -
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Originally by: Cyleth Village People 1 - 0 ASCN
end of
This is a far better song than YMCA.
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vile56
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.08 04:00:00 -
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Originally by: Drakma
Originally by: Cyleth Village People 1 - 0 ASCN
end of
This is a far better song than YMCA.
hesdy i postfjed that firstg donttake my fame hingya
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Ab Initio
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.08 04:21:00 -
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Most of the points in Cyvoks post have already had 20 rebuttles posted against it, but I would like to comment on one particular item.
Lag. There is no point complaining about it constantly, it's a part of the game. Just like us Aussies complaining about drought, at what point do we realise that this is what we have to work with.
During fighting yesterday, there was between 160 - 190 ASCN camping TCAG gate in TPAR. A massive amount of those ships were BS, and there firepower was horrific (we lost a couple of runs, including 6 BS downed in about 8 - 10 seconds at one point). At the hight of there numbers, we were at our lowest of about 17 BS, and we kept engaging (and winning).
During the entire fight, we warped in at range on every run so that both sides could load, and then warped into the field to engage.
Now how you can:
1. Have a go at us for not engaging you. When those are 11:1 odds during that fight (that lasted for almost an entire day). 2. Have a go at us for lag? Everytime we engaged you, you had to load 17 ships. We had to load 160+. Everytime we engaged we did everything we could to minimise lag and get good fights.
Everyone can say what they want on these boards, but the ASCN and BOB that are actually in these fights know what's going on.
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Valora
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.08 04:28:00 -
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Edited by: Valora on 08/10/2006 04:28:37
Originally by: CYVOK As for you amazing kill count, keep playing it up. Deleting kill mails with WCS doesnÆt mean they were not fitted and not posting losses until several days after they happened doesnÆt mean they were not killed.
On the contrary, alliance members forging and posting fake mails is a pretty poor way to improve the stats on your board.
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Audrea
Momentum.
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Posted - 2006.10.08 04:28:00 -
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Edited by: Audrea on 08/10/2006 04:30:24 Here is an idea to avoid the lag: Agree to each send 1 inty every 5 mins into TPAR, 1v1, whoever is winner stays, and then 1 more inty from each side jumps in
(Idea taken from the last tournament's method of determining victor, lol)
PS: I have said it long ago after the 9CG battles, and I will say it again: If ASCN wants lag free combat, they should send NO MORE ships than BoB send! I suspect the lag will drastically reduce, and you will get better k/d ratio than 70/0
I noticed on the kbs that ASCN learned its lessons, and most of its pilots already got T2 large guns trained.
Give it a go, ditch the blob for one engagement and see if its better. ------------------ Save Deimos! |
Ordo Abchao
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.08 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Riddari With reversed roles, had BOB been putting up POSes in AZN, a similar post would have been created the minute the first POS was launched.
Followed, as we can see in this thread, by 40 subsequent BOBs.
The simple fact that it was not until over 24 hours later that the first mention of this escaped unto the forums shows the exemplary behaviour of ASCN members and demonstrates BOBs surprise.
It is now day 3-4 of the ASCN offensive. Wars last months.
We are ready.
And i'm still waiting to see your face javascript:insertsmilie('','WebPost','text'); Crying or Very sad
Originally by: CYVOK If you surrender now we will consider letting you guys keep Fountain.
-CYVOK-
Order out of Chaos |
Monarch
Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2006.10.08 04:37:00 -
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theres nithing like jumping into a bigger fleet and getttin an exploiter because you had the nerve to do so.
you aare all so fkn worthless
i might be a bit dntr
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.10.08 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: Audrea
PS: I have said it long ago after the 9CG battles, and I will say it again: If ASCN wants lag free combat, they should send NO MORE ships than BoB send! I suspect the lag will drastically reduce, and you will get better k/d ratio than 70/0
Give it a go, ditch the blob for one engagement and see if its better.
Infact this is exactly what ASCN ought to do but never will......
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MIGHTYDWC
Gallente Sha Kharn Corp Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.08 04:55:00 -
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Originally by: Drakma
Originally by: Cyleth Village People 1 - 0 ASCN
end of
This is a far better song than YMCA.
Weren't the Village People ghey? Linkage
notify Wormtong [VTS.]'Teeny Weeny'(Thorax)[ has started trying to warp scramble Stargate (Efa) |
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KSUDruid
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.08 05:53:00 -
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Originally by: Rikeka I too would be angry if someone I called ¿friend¿, later publicly states I¦m a mental case and that all I/we have builded is a mistake (seen some really insulting posts from Druid, who obviously takes the game more seriously that he states now to insult that much)
I sued my former associate for much less. I won. But this is a game, and anonimity is an advantage internet gives. Still, maybe CYVOK takes the game too seriously, I agree (hell, most of the guys posting here are doing the same thing)
Mind you, I have no way to know why Druid left ASCN so maybe he has a point on CYVOK (I could ask, but I really don¦t care that much). Been told Druid is a much nicer guy that it appears at first sight, dunno. In fact, been told he is a hard-ass (best way to say it, ¿cares too much¿) Seen old logs on his chats when on ASCN, and he sure looks he cares...
Talked with some few BOB¦s in Local/mail, some of them post 24/7 in the forums. Truth? We have more civil chats in Local, than in the forums. Both sides should STFU here.
Saying that... Damn, John Bobbit¦s! You guys are hardcore forumeers! Go to sleep!
I¦m out. I really don¦t want to check the forum back, so if anyone has a question, eve-mail.
-Druid
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL11) Sabre |
Nepereta
DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.08 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces
Originally by: Audrea
PS: I have said it long ago after the 9CG battles, and I will say it again: If ASCN wants lag free combat, they should send NO MORE ships than BoB send! I suspect the lag will drastically reduce, and you will get better k/d ratio than 70/0
Give it a go, ditch the blob for one engagement and see if its better.
Infact this is exactly what ASCN ought to do but never will......
We should instead have a percentage system. Take the top 5% from each side and have them fight the battle.
Originally by: CC 3 Cybok and lacky's REVENGE WILL BE SWEAT ILL BE BACK
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The Praetor
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2006.10.08 06:45:00 -
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Ascendant Frontier: I think you have made the right move in turning the tables. If you leave Bob to take the offensive, they attack on their choosing. If you take the offensive, they must react to your timetable.
As a suggestion: You may be wise to read up everything you can on Red Alliance Tactics and then implement them. If you do so, you may never be dislodged. There will be no "glorious victory" for you, but you will not be beaten in the end.
The greatest threat to any war machine in EVE: Boredom and Frustration. RA has used to this to their advantage again and again. Implement those tactics, and BoB will go find something more interesting eventually. You may lose the forum war, but you will not lose the fight.
Just my 2 cents :) Good Luck to both parties.
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Nyk0n
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.10.08 07:42:00 -
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Edited by: Nyk0n on 08/10/2006 07:45:03
Originally by: DB Preacher
Originally by: DoctorGonzo
Then this evening, about 15 minutes after the node crashed, we jumped our support fleet into most of their fleet (which was hugging the TPAR gate in TCAG). They then jumped their fleet of about 30 Battleships through the gate (no idea why) and into our bubble camp, which had 80 Battleships - the slaughter began.
Hah,
Faramir would be creaming himself right now as that's the identical move he made in 6NJ against PA which led to the "PA LAST STAND movie".
Twas a slaughter then too.
75 bs killed for no loss is double our previous best... looks like we are getting exactly what we wanted \o/
dbp
Easy kills??
Seems you are getting exactly what you normally look for as well;)
Took ASCN long enough to smell the coffee, but bless you, that coffee smells good.
Ihope the rest of the eve map looks at this situation and thinks "sooner or later the bobins is gonna look in my direction, lets get rid of that threat now" and sends its full support.
Wont happen tho, its easyer to fly under the radar
Sometimes the truth hurts..........
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Xeliya
Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.08 07:49:00 -
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All I have to say is DAMN!!!
ASCN letme know next time you goto attack so I can go join a BoB gang to join in on the fun
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Bozl1n
Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.10.08 07:59:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra I gotta say that I agree with a couple of points CYVOK made.
Especially with regards to those old ASCN/CLS guys now in BoB.
That being said, the post is just asking for another 10 pages of flames in this thread.
Yea its unfortunatly sommin that seems to happen alot, ive lost count of the people iv seen in local and just as i was about to say hi, seen in space as flashing yellow squares.
That said allot of them fit into BoB perfectly, we all know BoBs reputation for looking after those they call frends after all
ASCN are getting there lesson right now, i wonder if the MC are paying attention...
Trick or Treat any1?
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.08 08:38:00 -
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Here is an unbiased status of what happened sicne yesterday till now .
-Pos shooting comences with dreads and our fleet guarding it with ASCN hostiles in local , no attempt to defend their POS was made , thats after the 2 carriers got smoked.
-Later on huge ASCN fleet arrives at Tcag and ugs the pos while another fleet of theirs prepares in one of their TPar Pos.
-Several hours wasted on waiting for either the Tpar or Tcag fleets to bring it and start the pew pew but zip later on i logged off and there was a fight and another ASCN carrier was smoked.
-Tcag fleet finaly showed up at Tpar gate and started to set them selves so we decided to jump czo we do wanna have a fight , the usual happens and node crashes and both fleets are attempting to relog.
-ASCN pilots petion us for crashign the node or maybe it was a stroek of luck , although what we did was jump our 100 man gang to their 100 + gang in Tcag , Gms investigate it and nothing happens and ASCN pilots just dont want to log on , TBH if u didnt waste ur time making petions and attempted to log on maybe u might have had more ppl to fight , but according to the comments from ASCN pilots in loca which i have one in my BIO i think they did the petion.
-ASCN pilots start randomly logging in and getting ganked with no organization which results in our KB stats.
-Several more hours of constant warping in or out in hope that the hostile fleet will enage but still no major fight.
-POS bashing comences and 2 more Large ASCN towers sent to oblivion .
Falme , whine , complain , up to u realy , i was there and thats what happened . "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
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Zeveron
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.10.08 08:43:00 -
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Edited by: Zeveron on 08/10/2006 08:45:39
Originally by: Ab Initio Most of the points in Cyvoks post have already had 20 rebuttles posted against it, but I would like to comment on one particular item.
Lag. There is no point complaining about it constantly, it's a part of the game. Just like us Aussies complaining about drought, at what point do we realise that this is what we have to work with.
During fighting yesterday, there was between 160 - 190 ASCN camping TCAG gate in TPAR. A massive amount of those ships were BS, and there firepower was horrific (we lost a couple of runs, including 6 BS downed in about 8 - 10 seconds at one point). At the hight of there numbers, we were at our lowest of about 17 BS, and we kept engaging (and winning).
During the entire fight, we warped in at range on every run so that both sides could load, and then warped into the field to engage.
Now how you can:
1. Have a go at us for not engaging you. When those are 11:1 odds during that fight (that lasted for almost an entire day). 2. Have a go at us for lag? Everytime we engaged you, you had to load 17 ships. We had to load 160+. Everytime we engaged we did everything we could to minimise lag and get good fights.
Everyone can say what they want on these boards, but the ASCN and BOB that are actually in these fights know what's going on.
sign on that. Well the numbers are again not accurate but grats for engaging. Both sides had fun:
Engagment1 Engagment2 Engagment3 Engagment4
The fights were not that uneven, bcs many of us were out off range (check the 4rth video). There were some engagments more, but forgot to push the fraps button (was damn sleepy and tiered, beeing there 12h).
Again grats of u guys giving us a good fight and must important fun :-) ----------------------------------
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Latex Mistress
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.08 08:52:00 -
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Ok, so...
Alliance X with a 400-pilot fleet knows that alliance Y is in the next system with approx 100 pilots. Alliance X jumps in with a 4:1 advantage and crashes the node Alliance X logs in to find Alliance Y sitting at sniper range, popping ships as they come back in Alliance X whines on forums for poor gameplay
Hint: when you know good and well you're at a 4:1 advantage, and that jumping in will crash the node and you do so anyway... it boggles the mind why you think you have the moral highground in this. You knowingly and willingly crashed the node ffs... at a 4:1 advantage no less?
I'm betting you probably didn't jump in at even odds because you knew what the result would be. Well... you get what you deserve. You're not playing to have fun, you're not playing to win, you're playing to have an excuse for losing.
I know I'll get flamed, etc... Pearls before swine and all that. LM
Latex Mistresss: bringing truth to the truculent one post at a time
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Moghydin
Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.10.08 09:19:00 -
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I won't accuse anyone of exploiting or cheating, but from what I understand, ASCN pilots have lost the log in race after node crash EVERY SINGLE TIME. That is frustrating and strange. Probably BoB knows how to operate better under extreme lag conditions, I have no problem with that. I have a problem with CCP for failing to deliver us a service we pay for every month.
To those who say we should bring no more ships than BoB brings, it's just a stupid and childish remark. BoB has the advantage of more fleet operations experience and of a higher average sp amount per pilot. ASCN has numbers as an advantage, but thanks to CCP we can't use it.
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