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Hellz Hitman
No-Mercy
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Posted - 2011.12.01 05:59:00 -
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Berendas wrote:Hellz Hitman wrote: They have a primary and a secondary. All their combat ships have missile slots, Except the Naga, however, not all of their ships have hybrid slots. Which makes Hybrids the secondary weapon system, due to missiles being the more prominent weapon system on Caldari ships.
I'm not even taking that reply seriously. If you can't see why then there is no point wasting time here any longer. Of course not. It makes sense so I'm not going to reply to it. Good choice mate.
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Kryptos Sanguar
The Royal Guard Imperial Hull Tankers
0
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Posted - 2011.12.01 07:39:00 -
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Hellz Hitman wrote:Berendas wrote:Hellz Hitman wrote: They have a primary and a secondary. All their combat ships have missile slots, Except the Naga, however, not all of their ships have hybrid slots. Which makes Hybrids the secondary weapon system, due to missiles being the more prominent weapon system on Caldari ships.
I'm not even taking that reply seriously. If you can't see why then there is no point wasting time here any longer. Of course not. It makes sense so I'm not going to reply to it. Good choice mate.
I doesn't make sense because your post implies that ships with hybrid weapon bonuses are actually missile ships. Roughly half of Caldari ships have missile bonuses while the other half have hybrid weapons. Ship bonuses determine what type of ship they are, not their hardpoints. |
King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
48
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Posted - 2011.12.01 12:35:00 -
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Confirming the merlin, harpy, moa, eagle, ferox, vulture and rokh have missile bonuses instead of hybrid bonuses.
Seriously, get over it. Half the caldari ships are hybrid boats, specifically favoring railguns rather than blasters. The naga fits in perfectly with that line of ships. A corp mate has one and it's one hell of a sniper BC. In fact it's a hell of a sniper overall. It boasts very impressive DPS at 60-100km and I don't think the other tier 3's will be able to compete with it at those ranges. You can't blame anyone but yourself for failing to realize that caldari are NOT just a missile race and never have been. |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
203
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Posted - 2011.12.01 12:54:00 -
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Hellz Hitman wrote:Emperor Salazar wrote:Amarr have missile ships. Why wasn't their Tier 3 battlecruiser missile based. CCP I demand missiles for this!
Gallente are known for drones. CCP DRONES FOR TIER 3 BC!
Seriously dude, stop crying about this. Its not that big a deal. Hybrid Naga is a pretty cool boat, tell your friends to stop being useless carebears and train something other than missile boats. Your point is negated by the fact that Amarr's primary weapon is lasers, therefore that's what their t3 bc was. Seeing a trend here? Now quit throwing out stupid points that have nothing to do with the subject, please. Oh and Drones are also Gallente's secondary weapon. Point negated yet again, and useless carebears? Hardly. I have at least three times your kills mate. Kinda negates your carebear argument there.
Three times my kills???????????????
Guess that makes my opinion useless.
Or it makes you a moron for thinking that matters.
You decide!
Hint: you're a moron. |
Anshio Tamark
Avitus Lugus
37
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Posted - 2011.12.01 15:49:00 -
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Midori Tsu wrote:But you are wrong, caldari do use hybrids, look at the ferox, rokh, cormorant and assorted frigates. And which of these has a damage-output higher than "splashing water on enemies"?
Midori Tsu wrote:If they can't use a ship of their own race because don't have the skill for it, it means that they are poorly skilled and should realise that theres more to caldari than just missiles. Or just buy a Drake? At least that doesn't look like a cheap knock-off of the Megathron and Rifter. |
Hellz Hitman
No-Mercy
1
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Posted - 2011.12.01 20:11:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:Hellz Hitman wrote:Emperor Salazar wrote:Amarr have missile ships. Why wasn't their Tier 3 battlecruiser missile based. CCP I demand missiles for this!
Gallente are known for drones. CCP DRONES FOR TIER 3 BC!
Seriously dude, stop crying about this. Its not that big a deal. Hybrid Naga is a pretty cool boat, tell your friends to stop being useless carebears and train something other than missile boats. Your point is negated by the fact that Amarr's primary weapon is lasers, therefore that's what their t3 bc was. Seeing a trend here? Now quit throwing out stupid points that have nothing to do with the subject, please. Oh and Drones are also Gallente's secondary weapon. Point negated yet again, and useless carebears? Hardly. I have at least three times your kills mate. Kinda negates your carebear argument there. Three times my kills??????????????? Guess that makes my opinion useless. Or it makes you a moron for thinking that matters. You decide! Hint: you're a moron. You do realize that you called me a carebear. So I responded with the fact that I'm sitting around 800 kills where as you're sitting around 200 which would make you a care bear as well.
Also you do realize how stupid you are right? You call me a carebear and I defend myself stating the amount of kills I have, and you turn around and say that I am somehow saying that means your opinion doesn't matter? I said nothing of the sort and you for some reason can't comprehend that.
King Rothgar wrote: Confirming the merlin, harpy, moa, eagle, ferox, vulture and rokh have missile bonuses instead of hybrid bonuses.
Seriously, get over it. Half the caldari ships are hybrid boats, specifically favoring railguns rather than blasters. The naga fits in perfectly with that line of ships. A corp mate has one and it's one hell of a sniper BC. In fact it's a hell of a sniper overall. It boasts very impressive DPS at 60-100km and I don't think the other tier 3's will be able to compete with it at those ranges. You can't blame anyone but yourself for failing to realize that caldari are NOT just a missile race and never have been.
I clearly said several times that Hybrids are the SECONDARY weapons system. Learn to read before you come in here and try to troll like you're johnny bad ass or something. And it's not one hell of a sniper ship honestly, it rolls appx 600 dps with maxed out skills with decent tracking at 80km. Aint exactly amazing there.
As stated multiple times before, I am not saying Caldari do not use hybrids, but all of those hybrids have missile slots. The Naga doesn't. Second point, every other race got a new bc geared towards their main weapons system. Caldari did not.
I appreciate the bumps guys, but at least try to throw out an argument that holds water rather then some half ass paraphrased excuse for an argument. |
Xtover
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.12.01 20:43:00 -
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Hellz Hitman wrote: I clearly said several times that Hybrids are the SECONDARY weapons system*. Learn to read
*citation needed. |
Orakkus
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.01 21:34:00 -
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Hellz Hitman wrote: As stated multiple times before, I am not saying Caldari do not use hybrids, but all of those hybrids have missile slots. The Naga doesn't. Second point, every other race got a new bc geared towards their main weapons system. Caldari did not.
I appreciate the bumps guys, but at least try to throw out an argument that holds water rather then some half ass paraphrased excuse for an argument.
First, none of the Tier 3 battlecruisers sport a second weapon system, so the Naga is in line with the rest of the Tier 3 Battlecruisers.
Second, the Naga, like the other Tier 3 Battlecruisers, was built for PVP combat. CCP also decided that it was a good idea to give the Caldari a serious PVP ship because the Ferox is woefully underpowered as both a railgun and blaster platform. On the other hand, the Caldari have what many consider to be the best Battlecruiser in the game, the Drake. The Drake is a solid performer as a missile launcher, and mounts substantial damage and tanking advantages. The big problem is that missile systems, at range, take too much time to reach their target. So, CCP gave Caldari a really good Railgun platform because it needed one. You should be giggling with joy over the fact that it makes a pretty decent blaster platform too.
So, if you are upset that CCP actually gave you some real, substantial PVP ship choices.. be my guest. |
Orakkus
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2011.12.01 21:34:00 -
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Double post |
Doggy Dogwoofwoof
Nightmare Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.12.01 22:23:00 -
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* returns with Caldrai and Gallante being form the same empire then points out caldrai used fighters meaning caldrai made gallantes 2nd weapon system then leaves * |
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Wolodymyr
Mando'a Navy Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.12.01 22:28:00 -
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Hellz Hitman wrote:Caldari are missile based. Not Hybrid based. If I wanted a hybrid boat I'd go for the Talos, which by the way is almost exactly the same. Why release a laser ship, a projectile boat, and then 2 hybrid boats. How is that even balanced. That basically gives all missile users the finger, a caldari player have to skill up in Hybrid turrets just to use it. ((To clarify, I already have all the skills for large hybrid but alot of my corpies don't. They teched up to Ravens and scorps, so they cant use a ship of their own race because they don't have the weapons for it.))
Simply put, we don't need a hybrid ship, there were no missile ships released in this patch and there should have been. It's not fair for caldari players that you release two gallente ships in one patch.
-Hellz Last time I was on the test server I could fit a whole rack of torps on the Naga. |
Orakkus
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2011.12.01 22:43:00 -
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Wolodymyr wrote:[quote=Hellz Hitman]Last time I was on the test server I could fit a whole rack of torps on the Naga.
They changed that about Nov. 14th on SiSi. |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.02 00:38:00 -
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Hellz Hitman wrote:Emperor Salazar wrote:Hellz Hitman wrote:Emperor Salazar wrote:Amarr have missile ships. Why wasn't their Tier 3 battlecruiser missile based. CCP I demand missiles for this!
Gallente are known for drones. CCP DRONES FOR TIER 3 BC!
Seriously dude, stop crying about this. Its not that big a deal. Hybrid Naga is a pretty cool boat, tell your friends to stop being useless carebears and train something other than missile boats. Your point is negated by the fact that Amarr's primary weapon is lasers, therefore that's what their t3 bc was. Seeing a trend here? Now quit throwing out stupid points that have nothing to do with the subject, please. Oh and Drones are also Gallente's secondary weapon. Point negated yet again, and useless carebears? Hardly. I have at least three times your kills mate. Kinda negates your carebear argument there. Three times my kills??????????????? Guess that makes my opinion useless. Or it makes you a moron for thinking that matters. You decide! Hint: you're a moron. You do realize that you called me a carebear. So I responded with the fact that I'm sitting around 800 kills where as you're sitting around 200 which would make you a care bear as well. Also you do realize how stupid you are right? You call me a carebear and I defend myself stating the amount of kills I have, and you turn around and say that I am somehow saying that means your opinion doesn't matter? I said nothing of the sort and you for some reason can't comprehend that. King Rothgar wrote: Confirming the merlin, harpy, moa, eagle, ferox, vulture and rokh have missile bonuses instead of hybrid bonuses.
Seriously, get over it. Half the caldari ships are hybrid boats, specifically favoring railguns rather than blasters. The naga fits in perfectly with that line of ships. A corp mate has one and it's one hell of a sniper BC. In fact it's a hell of a sniper overall. It boasts very impressive DPS at 60-100km and I don't think the other tier 3's will be able to compete with it at those ranges. You can't blame anyone but yourself for failing to realize that caldari are NOT just a missile race and never have been. I clearly said several times that Hybrids are the SECONDARY weapons system. Learn to read before you come in here and try to troll like you're johnny bad ass or something. And it's not one hell of a sniper ship honestly, it rolls appx 600 dps with maxed out skills with decent tracking at 80km. Aint exactly amazing there. As stated multiple times before, I am not saying Caldari do not use hybrids, but all of those hybrids have missile slots. The Naga doesn't. Second point, every other race got a new bc geared towards their main weapons system. Caldari did not. I appreciate the bumps guys, but at least try to throw out an argument that holds water rather then some half ass paraphrased excuse for an argument.
Actually I said "tell your carebear corpmates to train something else."
It seems as though you are mildly insecure though. I offer therapy sessions if you'd like. Drop a 50 mil downpayment in my wallet and we can get started immediately. |
Hellz Hitman
No-Mercy
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Posted - 2011.12.02 00:45:00 -
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Orakkus wrote:Hellz Hitman wrote: As stated multiple times before, I am not saying Caldari do not use hybrids, but all of those hybrids have missile slots. The Naga doesn't. Second point, every other race got a new bc geared towards their main weapons system. Caldari did not.
I appreciate the bumps guys, but at least try to throw out an argument that holds water rather then some half ass paraphrased excuse for an argument.
First, none of the Tier 3 battlecruisers sport a second weapon system, so the Naga is in line with the rest of the Tier 3 Battlecruisers. Second, the Naga, like the other Tier 3 Battlecruisers, was built for PVP combat. CCP also decided that it was a good idea to give the Caldari a serious PVP ship because the Ferox is woefully underpowered as both a railgun and blaster platform. On the other hand, the Caldari have what many consider to be the best Battlecruiser in the game, the Drake. The Drake is a solid performer as a missile launcher, and mounts substantial damage and tanking advantages. The big problem is that missile systems, at range, take too much time to reach their target. So, CCP gave Caldari a really good Railgun platform because it needed one. You should be giggling with joy over the fact that it makes a pretty decent blaster platform too. So, if you are upset that CCP actually gave you some real, substantial PVP ship choices.. be my guest. The whole take too much time only counts for the first volley, typically takes 10 seconds max to hit the target from range, and then its ROF from there on out, so it's not as huge of an issue as people make it. It makes a pretty good blaster boat with pretty much no tank. So it makes a fairly bad blaster boat overall. You can have 1200 dps on a ship but if you die within 5 seconds it isn't gonna do ya much. As far as having a real pvp ship choice.. If I want to use the new tier 3 I have to go to one of the other races.. or stick with my drakes. I'll probably keep to my drakes, since its extremely effective pvp wise, I just wish CCP had actually given Caldari a good ship, rather then a Talos disguised as a Caldari ship.
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Doggy Dogwoofwoof
Nightmare Syndicate
3
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Posted - 2011.12.02 01:22:00 -
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What if the Talos is actually a naga disguised as a gallante ship? |
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
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Posted - 2011.12.02 07:30:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Hellz Hitman wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:I'm glad to see another Caldari hybrid boat, especially in the form of a battlecruiser. I'd also like to see the Tengu's hybrid sub get some improvements. Saying Caldari are missile-only is like saying Amarr are laser only: you have to ignore several good ships to make that claim. True, but when you think of Amarr, you think of lasers, Minimatar is projectile weapons, Gallente is hybrids, and Caldari are missiles. Every other race got a ship in line with their primary weapons system, which ensures that a majority of the people that fly that race are able to effectively use the ship. Every race has a primary and secondary weapon system. Gallente: Hybrids and drones. Caldari: Hybrids and missiles. Amarr: Lasers and missiles/drones. Minmitar: Projectiles and missiles. The only reason people THINK "Gallente's primary weapons are drones" and "Caldari's primary weapons are missiles" is because of the poor state that hybrid weapons have been in for so long. With the recent buff this is less the case.
Less the case ya.
But by the way have you read the lore? Drones are the main Gallente weapon system.
Though CCP hates on drones normaly more then missiles though both got poked in the eye this time.
But ya Hybirds are still crap. Drones and Missiles are the best thing going for Gallente and Caldari ships.
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Hellz Hitman
No-Mercy
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Posted - 2011.12.02 21:40:00 -
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Rip Minner wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Hellz Hitman wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:I'm glad to see another Caldari hybrid boat, especially in the form of a battlecruiser. I'd also like to see the Tengu's hybrid sub get some improvements. Saying Caldari are missile-only is like saying Amarr are laser only: you have to ignore several good ships to make that claim. True, but when you think of Amarr, you think of lasers, Minimatar is projectile weapons, Gallente is hybrids, and Caldari are missiles. Every other race got a ship in line with their primary weapons system, which ensures that a majority of the people that fly that race are able to effectively use the ship. Every race has a primary and secondary weapon system. Gallente: Hybrids and drones. Caldari: Hybrids and missiles. Amarr: Lasers and missiles/drones. Minmitar: Projectiles and missiles. The only reason people THINK "Gallente's primary weapons are drones" and "Caldari's primary weapons are missiles" is because of the poor state that hybrid weapons have been in for so long. With the recent buff this is less the case. Less the case ya. But by the way have you read the lore? Drones are the main Gallente weapon system. Though CCP hates on drones normaly more then missiles though both got poked in the eye this time. But ya Hybirds are still crap. Drones and Missiles are the best thing going for Gallente and Caldari ships. Personally I view drones as more of an auxiliary weapons system rather then a main one, since pretty much every one uses drones. I just don't like the lack of love for missiles :P
Their biggest drawback is simply that it takes time for the first volley to hit... after that it's the exact same as a hybrid weapon. And for those 5-7 seconds people hate on missiles, it just doesn't make much sense :P
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
185
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Posted - 2011.12.03 03:30:00 -
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naga should be missile boat imo, but lets be honest, it looks like either A a carrier B a giant railgun |
Kaelie Onren
Pyrrhus Industries
7
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Posted - 2011.12.03 14:18:00 -
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Hellz Hitman wrote: Why release a laser ship, a projectile boat, and then 2 hybrid boats. How is that even balanced?
Simple. If Caldari had too many missle boats already, and not enough rail boats. These new BCs are supposed to be the baby brothers to the associated t3 Battleship class. You're giving Rokh pilots the finger.
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Andreus Ixiris
Mixed Metaphor
330
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Posted - 2011.12.03 14:47:00 -
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I can fix this entire thread for you with two sentences:
Naga has been released, and it's a rail boat. Deal with it. Andreus Anthony LeHane Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2465
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Posted - 2011.12.03 22:00:00 -
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I pushed for a Torp Naga until I realized that smartbombs would render them useless in the sacred purpose of murdering supercaps. However:
The Naga is the only Caldari rail platform with a damage bonus. That's huge - Caldari typically only get range and shield bonuses for rails.
The rail Naga owns. Learn to love it. The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Hellz Hitman
No-Mercy
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Posted - 2011.12.04 01:44:00 -
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Kaelie Onren wrote:Hellz Hitman wrote: Why release a laser ship, a projectile boat, and then 2 hybrid boats. How is that even balanced? Simple. If Caldari had too many missle boats already, and not enough rail boats. These new BCs are supposed to be the baby brothers to the associated t3 Battleship class. You're giving Rokh pilots the finger. That's like sayin Amarr has too many laser ships and not enough missile boats O.o and the Rokh itself is outmatched when compared to other ships of it's variant, don't get me wrong I still use it and love it, but it just doesn't match up to the other tier 3 battleships. |
King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
50
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Posted - 2011.12.04 04:17:00 -
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I'm just going to throw this out there, it's my opinion after looking at all four tier 3 BC's that the naga, with it's rails, is in fact the best of them. So quit your whining already. |
Botleten
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
214
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Posted - 2011.12.04 10:34:00 -
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Oh no, now if you want to fly a caldari pve missile boat, youre only limited to drakes, ravens, and tengus
Missiles are horrible for pvp, so if you made the Naga a missile boat its primary purpose would be for pve. If you want to fly a pve missile boat, use one of the above, as any of them would be more effective at pve.
So if you made the Naga as a missile boat, it would be useless in pvp and outclassed by 3 other ships in pve, essentially making it a useless novelty.
Its working as intended, get over it, move along with your life. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
293
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Posted - 2011.12.05 01:27:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:
The rail Naga owns. Learn to love it.
Literally the first thing thats ever came out of your mouth i agree with
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Eva Yang
No-Mercy The Methodical Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.05 19:13:00 -
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I read the entire thread b4 posting this, and wow, half of you all are idiots. (no offence to the special ed)
I do have to bring this to the table,
Capital ships and their weapon systems
Revelation - Lasers (beam or Pulse) Naglaf - Projectile (auto's or artillery) Moros - Hybrids (Blasters or rails) Phoenix - Missiles (Cruise or torps.)
now Y would ccp make the Caldari capitals ships and super capitals use a secondary weapon systems, while the other races use their primary's? simple, THEY DON'T.
I'd personally love a Naga with 8 T2 cruise launchers... that thing would tear stuff up and at a greater range than any other Tier 3 BC would. and if you want to start yelling at me about how long I played this game and what my skills are and blah blah so it makes you think you look better but really just makes you look like an ass, I have 40M SP, I fly every battleship in the game, some T2, and various other race T2 ships (and some capitals), I'm skilled in all weapons systems, and Iv played this game for a long time, and I have friend who have played this game even longer... Caldari ARE missile based.
-Your friendly ADHD and slightly psychotic sov space neighbor. Eva |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1937
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Posted - 2012.02.05 19:29:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Saying Caldari are missile-only is like saying Amarr are laser only: you have to ignore several good ships to make that claim.
ah yes, how can one disregard such great ships like the sacrilege, vengeance and ham legion andski for csm7~ |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
43
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Posted - 2012.02.05 21:16:00 -
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Eva Yang wrote:Naglaf - Projectile (auto's or artillery)Eva Doesn't the nag have two turret slows (bonused) and two launcher ones (unbonused). Even without bonuses, two capital launchers isn't something to just ignore. I don't think other dreads use two weapon systems. Ah Minmatar, masters of the mixed racks.
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Duchess Starbuckington
Starbuckington Manor
123
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Posted - 2012.02.05 21:55:00 -
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I didn't bother reading your OP, I'm just gonna tell you what I told every other imbecile who whined about the Naga being hybrid based: A missile naga would suck. I mean, really suck. The rail Naga is a great ship if you fit it right, but giving it missiles would make it worthless compared to the other tier 3s and in general.
With cruise missiles - it would be an utter joke. With torps, it'd have no viable targets below battleship size, and battleships would rip it to shreds. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1030
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Posted - 2012.02.06 18:08:00 -
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WHY did someone revive this long dead horse? There was another thread about this recently as well. On the test server before Crucible was released there were people using Naga's to flat out obliterate Battleships using torps. There are even a few vids on YouTube of this. It was far too overpowered and had to be neutered. I would love a cruise Naga though...but the Naga is fine as is with Rails honestly. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
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