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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.01.23 10:52:36 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.01.23 14:38:37 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Yeah! Turrets need to be bigger dammit!
Every other game I play, I can wield a sword that is taller than I am and swing it with the speed and precision of a kitana, or an axe that dwarfs my dwarf. To be appropriately sized in comparison, every ship needs to be able to fit one size larger turrets! Frigs with cruiser guns, cruisers with battleship guns and battleships with capital turrets! No clue what caps would use... I guess CCP better start designing XXL turrets or there will be hell to pay!
Maybe we need the spaceship equivalent of endgame mithril bikini armor for our ships too. You cant have a Stigmatic Epic Demon Sword of Polarized Blightness without the matching Demon Thong of the Destructive Fire Panda Mage Dragon. And capes. With fur. Who cares if its murder, this is serious business dammit. Every now and then you come up with gold. I liked this tongue in cheek post.
CSM Ten movement for change.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2015.01.23 15:19:54 -
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Obviously the gun should be bigger! |
Kieyra Marie Julian
The L4 Runners
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Posted - 2015.01.23 22:03:34 -
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That's a destroyer....please read my post |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.01.23 23:01:04 -
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So the bigger gun whose size we know, it's the 1400 mm Artillery. With a hefty bore to length ratio of 1:45 ,this mans the gun barrel is some 63 meters long (that's 70 yards for you Imperial heathens).
BUT, that gun is mounted on a ship -say, a Machariel- 1,600 meters long, or 25 times longer than the gun. If it was a handgun and you had it in your hands, it would be roughly the size of a needle.
Remember, in EVE even a Rifter is almot as big as a 747.
Tl;DR: EVE guns are large enough, it's just that EVE ships are massive.
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Ciel993
Vision Partners End of Natural Lifetime
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Posted - 2015.01.24 03:51:42 -
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It's not the turret that's too small... More like, ships are too big and are fiitted with a lot of turret of same size. tbh I would rather wish ccp introduce different sizes of high slots, like, a battleship can fit two huge, badass capital class guns and a couple of smaller, large class guns, or something like that. but we all know this is impossible due to too many works |
Ciel993
Vision Partners End of Natural Lifetime
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Posted - 2015.01.24 04:06:07 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:So the bigger gun whose size we know, it's the 1400 mm Artillery. With a hefty bore to length ratio of 1:45 ,this mans the gun barrel is some 63 meters long (that's 70 yards for you Imperial heathens).
BUT, that gun is mounted on a ship -say, a Machariel- 1,600 meters long, or 25 times longer than the gun. If it was a handgun and you had it in your hands, it would be roughly the size of a needle.
Remember, in EVE even a Rifter is almot as big as a 747.
Tl;DR: EVE guns are large enough, it's just that EVE ships are massive.
IRL battleships are around 250-300m long with main guns' barrel around 18m long (take Iowa for example). So theoretically a ship of Mach's size, the gun barrels should be around 120m long, which is barely the case. For now, larger ships in eve are a bit like early WWI dreadnoughts, which contains numerous smaller calibre turrets instead of a couple of huge, badass main guns. Although I doubt ccp would ever change this. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2015.01.24 04:37:56 -
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Ciel993 wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:So the bigger gun whose size we know, it's the 1400 mm Artillery. With a hefty bore to length ratio of 1:45 ,this mans the gun barrel is some 63 meters long (that's 70 yards for you Imperial heathens).
BUT, that gun is mounted on a ship -say, a Machariel- 1,600 meters long, or 25 times longer than the gun. If it was a handgun and you had it in your hands, it would be roughly the size of a needle.
Remember, in EVE even a Rifter is almot as big as a 747.
Tl;DR: EVE guns are large enough, it's just that EVE ships are massive. IRL battleships are around 250-300m long with main guns' barrel around 18m long (take Iowa for example). So theoretically a ship of Mach's size, the gun barrels should be around 120m long, which is barely the case. For now, larger ships in eve are a bit like early WWI dreadnoughts, which contains numerous smaller calibre turrets instead of a couple of huge, badass main guns. Although I doubt ccp would ever change this. Well I guess, the couple huge guns thing is what our actual dreadnaughts do
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Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.24 08:09:58 -
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Do the guns on a Rifter still look cartoony big, or did they size them down? Havent flown one in a while, but remember the guns looking stupid big on it. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.01.24 10:08:39 -
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Ciel993 wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:So the bigger gun whose size we know, it's the 1400 mm Artillery. With a hefty bore to length ratio of 1:45 ,this mans the gun barrel is some 63 meters long (that's 70 yards for you Imperial heathens).
BUT, that gun is mounted on a ship -say, a Machariel- 1,600 meters long, or 25 times longer than the gun. If it was a handgun and you had it in your hands, it would be roughly the size of a needle.
Remember, in EVE even a Rifter is almot as big as a 747.
Tl;DR: EVE guns are large enough, it's just that EVE ships are massive. IRL battleships are around 250-300m long with main guns' barrel around 18m long (take Iowa for example). So theoretically a ship of Mach's size, the gun barrels should be around 120m long, which is barely the case. For now, larger ships in eve are a bit like early WWI dreadnoughts, which contains numerous smaller calibre turrets instead of a couple of huge, badass main guns. Although I doubt ccp would ever change this.
Gun size is determined by the bore, not the size of the ship. The size of the ship is determined by storage (of ammo, fuel, crew and supplies) and protection. This is why the battlecruiser class was born, to bear the bigger possible guns on the smaller possible hull.
I think that guns in EVE are the right size, provided how they work (effectively without firing arches) and the insane bulk of the ships.
But then, shall we remember, EVE ships are empty shells. They are not supposed to "function" or "make sense" from a engineering/matherial POV.
Else the 1400 mm rounds would take a wee bit more space than 0.025 m3 per unit and messing with the hold of freighters would require a little more work than writing a number on a table...
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Kieyra Marie Julian
Odin's Brotherhood
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Posted - 2015.01.25 03:23:13 -
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Again guys, i'm talking about proportion =\
Ship too big Guns too small
Either way I do hope one day I will feel the satisfaction of firing my weapons |
Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.01.25 05:40:55 -
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Kieyra Marie Julian wrote:Again guys, i'm talking about proportion =\ Ship too big Guns too small I got that and I disagree.
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Trajan Unknown
Running with Dogs Nerfed Alliance Go Away
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Posted - 2015.01.25 11:26:05 -
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I don-Št know to what kind of "battleship" the OP is referring but when you look at the old WWII battleships the guns look anything but "badass" to me. They are pretty damn impressive if you see them in comparison to a human next to the turret but compared to the ship they look well, normal? Same goes for the battlecruisers and stuff. When you look at them, the guns are not that expressive but when you see them next to a human or in action they are pretty scary. When I flew next to titans they were fricking impressive but from a distance they looked well, normal. I like it pretty much as is because you feel "big" in a cruiser till you fly next to a battleship/dread/carrier or even mothership/titan. :D
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Kieyra Marie Julian
Odin's Brotherhood
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Posted - 2015.01.25 11:40:26 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Kieyra Marie Julian wrote:Again guys, i'm talking about proportion =\ Ship too big Guns too small I got that and I disagree.
actually wasn't replying to you there, oh well, shoulda quoted.
If you feel the current way is satisfying then oh well. I respect your choice |
Kieyra Marie Julian
Odin's Brotherhood
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Posted - 2015.01.25 11:42:25 -
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Trajan Unknown wrote:I don-Št know to what kind of "battleship" the OP is referring but when you look at the old WWII battleships the guns look anything but "badass" to me. They are pretty damn impressive if you see them in comparison to a human next to the turret but compared to the ship they look well, normal? Same goes for the battlecruisers and stuff. When you look at them, the guns are not that expressive but when you see them next to a human or in action they are pretty scary. When I flew next to titans they were fricking impressive but from a distance they looked well, normal. I like it pretty much as is because you feel "big" in a cruiser till you fly next to a battleship/dread/carrier or even mothership/titan. :D
Well no, if you looked at the proportion of gun to ship and you look at the gun to shop proportion of eve you see a difference.
And then there's when they fire. That's when they're f**cking impressive. Eve it's just...meh |
Hal Morsh
Icendus Corux Warp to Cyno.
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Posted - 2015.01.25 15:25:28 -
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Kieyra Marie Julian wrote:Trajan Unknown wrote:I don-Št know to what kind of "battleship" the OP is referring but when you look at the old WWII battleships the guns look anything but "badass" to me. They are pretty damn impressive if you see them in comparison to a human next to the turret but compared to the ship they look well, normal? Same goes for the battlecruisers and stuff. When you look at them, the guns are not that expressive but when you see them next to a human or in action they are pretty scary. When I flew next to titans they were fricking impressive but from a distance they looked well, normal. I like it pretty much as is because you feel "big" in a cruiser till you fly next to a battleship/dread/carrier or even mothership/titan. :D
Well no, if you looked at the proportion of gun to ship and you look at the gun to shop proportion of eve you see a difference. And then there's when they fire. That's when they're f**cking impressive. Eve it's just...meh
EVE guns are pretty big. They only have to be big enough to be functional. I mean if THAT was the complaint, then starwars would be your worst nightmare. I mean look how tiny the guns on THOSE ships are.
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121223231202/disney/images/a/a8/ImpStarDestroyer-SWI125.jpg
Look for the main guns on that star destroyer, give you a hint. it's 4 on the side. The only exception of the top of my head is the merciless.
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070321230823/starwars/images/8/86/Merciless_Aggressor.jpg
it fires big bolts like this.
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060803020242/starwars/images/8/89/Krayt_destroyer_shot.jpg
I mean like someone joked about above, EVE isn't anime.
I'll post some eve pics below for comparison.
http://astroyka.net/hG5P48oSga/uploads/2012/09/talos.jpg Talos
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/65853/1/arty_Rifter.jpg Rifter
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dh0LCKVuScs/S_E0NSmdrcI/AAAAAAAAAPc/uNK61ZvTzbM/s1600/Rifter_vs_747.png Size comparison of a rifter.
https://evepics.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/alikchimoros.jpg Moros being firing and being fired upon.
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