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Ben Ishikela
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Posted - 2015.01.10 13:31:09 -
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Greetings Traveler, i encountered a problem and an idea to improve on it when i looked at ImputDuplication and Botting. On many internet Sites there is this thing called "Captcha". If you dont know what this is: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=captcha We can use this in EVE. For all i know, i do not mind filling out a Captcha once in a while, when it provides content and reliability and less botting and more profit. What i propose, should make bots and InputDuplication less reliable, better huntable, less mobile, while still being useable and not illegal. Some People find it interesting, compelling and like to play around with it. Fine with me, !!IF!! it provides gameplay boni for everyone else.
Here is my proposal: introduce a mechanic, that pops up a Captcha window (CW). The CW appears at a low random chance (maybe 1/100 or 1/1000) when activating a gate or on p=1 when enabling autopilot. On gates, the ship is invulnerable while the window is open. Gate travel on autopilot will not pop CWs. When a CW is not filled in correctly or the Time runs out, the pilot that was asked, gets a suspect timer and a weapons timer. An eventual invulnerability is dropped. The Catpcha Time could be around 30seconds and be extended by skilltraining. An action that spawned the CW cant be aborted; only failed or proceeded.
Sorry for the doubleposts, somehow i cant post more than 1000letters in one reply.
idea: industry, permadeath, salvage, mastery, skills
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Ben Ishikela
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Posted - 2015.01.10 13:31:22 -
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Hell Yeah. Now i cant hunt/hurt ImputDuplicators by.. .. traveling to their location. .. waiting on a gate. .. if the ID wants to jump through and fails at some of the Captchas or does not cycle fast enough thorugh his manymany windows checking for Captchas, some of his ships jump and some are stranded and unable to jump for some time. .. shooting the straggling flashy suspects. .. looting the wrecks and make profit.
Addition and slightly offtopic: add a cooldown of 1h to cloaks of subcaps and spawn a CW on reactivation.
So, thats all for now. I am sure there are still some holes left. I am not a professional designer. So please help me in the attempt to help get everyone a better gaming experience. Fly liquid Ben
Sorry for the doubleposts, somehow i cant post more than 1000letters in one reply.
idea: industry, permadeath, salvage, mastery, skills
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.01.10 13:37:51 -
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Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2015.01.10 13:40:12 -
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Oh look, it's this thread again.
No. Not ever, no. Just no.
Oh, did I mention no?
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.10 13:41:14 -
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**** no. just detect and ban them
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Haywoud Jablomi
The Circus Corp Alternate Allegiance
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Posted - 2015.01.10 14:05:33 -
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****** stupid idea. ****** ****** players ******* coming up with ***** ideas. Who the ***** thinks of **** like this *****.
*head explodes*
+1 for managing to pod me on the forums. -1 for this idea. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.10 14:12:15 -
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I see someone hasn't emergency crashed a gate before, trying to jump before the enemy.
There we are, a rational reason why this is literally the worst idea I've seen in some time. And I sit on this forum a lot so that's going some. |
Ben Ishikela
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Posted - 2015.01.10 15:19:20 -
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look at all these trolls fishing for attention.... just detect and ban them!.... ..... going on. i need the reasons why you not like it. otherwise i wont stop!
@"I see someone hasn't emergency crashed a gate before, trying to jump before the enemy." you see wrong, but i take it as: "what about when trying to jump before the enemy" Question: Was crashing ever a reliable way to escape a fight? Thinking about the random positions on the other side. Maybe lacking intel on what you do not see as well, what got you into the mess you are in. No, i dont think so. Its a risk. So you take a "chance". So why is a chance based mechanic bad there? Of course that is not enough, so disable captchas for a pilot, if he is redboxed. better? Of course that is not enough, so make the captchas less likely to appear p=0.0001. better? Of course that is not enough, so make the captcha easier so it is fast. maybe one letter only. but then we could make p=1 again for equal chance/time on all pilots. And suddenly trying to jump before the enemy is more of a game and less like a clickfest.
@"just detect and ban them" its not that easy. and you do not want to make mistakes and ban someone for doing nothing, right? So testing first may be better. And did i mention that CCP could raise the propability for C on Jumps based on if that character is suspect to botting or else.
i did not see any captcha suggestions on the forum. so i posted.
to remind you: i do not like to have botting or input duplication in the game as is.
Sorry for the doubleposts, somehow i cant post more than 1000letters in one reply.
idea: industry, permadeath, salvage, mastery, skills
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Steppa Musana
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.10 15:27:00 -
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Ben Ishikela wrote:look at all these trolls fishing for attention... Id usually agree, but the idea is pretty bad mate. You need to think this one over. You cant have actions restricted by a captcha dialog box when losing a single server tick can make all the difference in an encounter |
Ben Ishikela
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Posted - 2015.01.10 15:53:57 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:Ben Ishikela wrote:look at all these trolls fishing for attention... Id usually agree, but the idea is pretty bad mate. You need to think this one over. You cant have actions restricted by a captcha dialog box when losing a single server tick can make all the difference in an encounter i understand. thank you.
Sorry for the doubleposts, somehow i cant post more than 1000letters in one reply.
idea: industry, permadeath, salvage, mastery, skills
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.10 16:45:23 -
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OP, you do realise that bots have been able to beat captcha type stuff for years don't you?
Ask any blog owner...
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Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.10 17:09:07 -
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OP, bots are better at captchas than people.
Why do you want to punish people who do not bot?
Some of us can't read the damn things, should we just unsub en-masse?
And do you really think that placing arbitrary limits on gameplay is going to do anything except **** off the legit players? Hell, how many petitions do you think CCP would get every single day demanding ships that were lost due to captcha be replaced? Whatever you might think, crashing gates works very well if you're in the right ship or situation.
In short, Go Away. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2015.01.10 17:13:32 -
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making real people go through captchas would also be really freaking annoying.
There are better ways to catch bots without pissing off the real player base.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.10 17:48:05 -
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Damn I've seen some bad ideas. This is by far one of the worst. Good job
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
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Posted - 2015.01.10 17:53:49 -
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A huge enormous NO to anything involving something so clunky and mind numbingly stupid as captcha for anything!
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Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2015.01.10 18:07:32 -
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Ben Ishikela wrote:Steppa Musana wrote:...You cant have actions restricted by a captcha dialog box when losing a single server tick can make all the difference in an encounter i understand. thank you. I doubt it, because you followed that statement up with this.
Ben Ishikela wrote:There are however captchas that can be completed in under a second. It's quite clear you have no clue. In this and how well bots handle Catptcha.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.10 18:15:04 -
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Ben Ishikela wrote: @"just detect and ban them" its not that easy. and you do not want to make mistakes and ban someone for doing nothing, right? So testing first may be better. And did i mention that CCP could raise the propability for C on Jumps based on if that character is suspect to botting or else.
i did not see any captcha suggestions on the forum. so i posted.
to remind you: i do not like to have botting or input duplication in the game as is.
because captcha is one of the single most loathsome things on the internet. i would put up with, and even advocate botting and multiplexing if it meant not having to see captcha in game.
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and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Bienator II
madmen of the skies
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Posted - 2015.01.10 18:16:37 -
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and lets write a program which solves captcha faster than a human.
eve style bounties (done)
dust boarding parties
imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.10 18:44:44 -
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Bienator II wrote:and lets write a program which solves captcha faster than a human.
Why would you re-invent the wheel? |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.10 18:53:44 -
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This idea gave me mind cancer.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.01.10 19:28:16 -
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There is already a thread for this.
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Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
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Posted - 2015.01.10 20:14:41 -
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No, I know of players who have vision issues to the point that this would leave them stuck in one system for hours.
They still play but captcha is . . .well just a bad idea.
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Ben Ishikela
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Posted - 2015.01.10 23:50:51 -
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Close this damn thread already! Or lock or delete it. Saves trouble.
I did not read about captchas a lot, when i posted OP. They were still used, so i thought they serve purpose. As i informed myself more, I see now that 90% can be solved by machines and better than by humans. So there is no benefit. It even makes things worse. Did i want to hurt players? no! just did not see or know enough. Well, i clicked my own google link and read. The eve comunity is good at supporting.... not. Well, i guess i like to spray the hornet's nest with cold water to get some action. Anyway, what i learned is that i will read more about the tools that i am going to use before letting anyone know. Safes trouble. Question remains: when do make a move and ask ......
To be clear: I do not want captchas anymore. They do not support what i wanted. ----------------------
Sorry for the doubleposts, somehow i cant post more than 1000letters in one reply.
idea: industry, permadeath, salvage, mastery, skills
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Foxicity
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.11 00:11:43 -
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Ben Ishikela wrote:Close this damn thread already! Or lock or delete it. Saves trouble.
I did not read about captchas a lot, when i posted OP. They were still used, so i thought they serve purpose. As i informed myself more, I see now that 90% can be solved by machines and better than by humans. So there is no benefit. It even makes things worse. Did i want to hurt players? no! just did not see or know enough. Well, i clicked my own google link and read. The eve comunity is good at supporting.... not. Well, i guess i like to spray the hornet's nest with cold water to get some action. Anyway, what i learned is that i will read more about the tools that i am going to use before letting anyone know. Safes trouble. Question remains: when do make a move and ask ......
To be clear: I do not want captchas anymore. They do not support what i wanted. ----------------------
Don't worry about it. You'll get better at ideas and gauging people's responses to them by reading, replying, and posting here. Well, it's not a guarantee, but it could happen |
Nicholass Charante
Zeura Brotherhood Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2015.01.11 01:04:20 -
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You posted it in the wrong thread, try this one
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=272809 |
Maria Dragoon
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2015.01.11 02:25:54 -
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just wanted to put this here, because people like to use what such and such is google it, I think it time for people to learn how to use the search function on the threads, in fact it so popular, let me google your suggestion.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=eve+online+captcha |
Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.11 03:03:25 -
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Ben Ishikela wrote:Close this damn thread already! Or lock or delete it. Saves trouble.
I did not read about captchas a lot, when i posted OP. They were still used, so i thought they serve purpose. As i informed myself more, I see now that 90% can be solved by machines and better than by humans. So there is no benefit. It even makes things worse. Did i want to hurt players? no! just did not see or know enough. Well, i clicked my own google link and read. The eve comunity is good at supporting.... not. Well, i guess i like to spray the hornet's nest with cold water to get some action. Anyway, what i learned is that i will read more about the tools that i am going to use before letting anyone know. Safes trouble. Question remains: when do make a move and ask ......
To be clear: I do not want captchas anymore. They do not support what i wanted. ---------------------- The Eve community are good at supporting ideas, when they are well researched and haven't been hashed over multiple times in the past. We've seen ideas of every kind, repeatedly; we tend to get a tad jaded when we see the same ideas repeated time and time again.
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FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
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Posted - 2015.01.11 09:50:32 -
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you are aware right of the whole ISBoxxer ban thing?
Also Go die in a fire... I'm a human being and i have issues reading those things some of the time |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
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Posted - 2015.01.11 13:15:14 -
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this bad idea has been suggested over and over... it's game breaking. sure there are times when there are long periods of slowness but when but then there are some times when every click and second counts; I can't imagine anything worse for the game then to have captcha popping up when you are trying to run a gate camp blockaid or hit reppers to save a falling corpmates ship.
no thank you. -1
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.01.11 13:21:51 -
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FireFrenzy wrote:you are aware right of the whole ISBoxxer ban thing?
Also Go die in a fire... I'm a human being and i have issues reading those things some of the time
I'm sure he's not because there wasn't one why don't you go out and inform yourself |
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