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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae C0VEN
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:29:11 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote:Rain6637 wrote:people who undock where it matters, and where CCP wants people to go for their gameplay. But I want to pod my enemies, knowing that their losses matter! Both are good points and both matter. I love eve but also love working on vintage motorcycles. After years of eve, should I have had to stop training years ago to afford nullsec? I dont have piles of alts to PvE and farm up plexes. As result, I have to limot my pvp time so I can spend 10x as much time on pve to afford it. Look at net total time invest per character, you are all in same boat. How do we put effective cost on it? Maybe more versatility on implants. so peeps in frigs, that implant is way more effective. Gain to your risk vs Investment. Second, I agree on reclone timers. If somebody wants to undock and feed sucide risk, well gonna lock up yourk clone. Promote smat play instead of welping. Also cell phone. Sorry about typos |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23725
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:33:38 -
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I don't think EVE should be throttled in that way. making EVE bigger is ok, through jump fatige. locking clones just makes EVE slower.
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ArmyOfMe
PILGRIMS Advent of Fate
365
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:39:27 -
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I honestly dont get why ppl whine so much over clone costs. Yes, the clone is more expensive then a frig, boohoooo. Most ppl have implants worth a ton more then the clone cost anyhow, unless your one of those with 400mill sp
QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23726
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:47:34 -
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it sucks when you incur the cost several times in a quick succession. that ISK went to no one except CCP.
med clone cost scales infinitely. casual or infrequent undockers don't have an issue.
read the thread.
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Dr Beatrox
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.11.04 23:22:28 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Angeal MacNova wrote:As it is, clone costs serve as an isk sink. The isk sink is so absurdly small that my spacepoor self could probably cover it for everyone in this game for November and possibly through December as well, judging from the math given by some dude in this thread who took the opposite position. It may as well not exist, the economy certainly isn't going to notice the difference. what the hell r u talking about? stop posting about crap u dont know squat about. if you actually understood the game youd know high sp chars have clones in the tens and sometimes hundreds of millions. |
Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
157
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Posted - 2014.11.04 23:30:54 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Considering CCP is finally making the real changes that need to happen (see Phoebe travel), I am very optimistic. Everyone knows my position on this subject. Will it be too revealing if for you to tell me if I will be happy or not? Man you're just getting everything you want, aren't you? You're getting everything I want too. I've managed to convince myself that I want it too. So that happened.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
157
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Posted - 2014.11.04 23:32:30 -
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Dr Beatrox wrote:what the hell r u talking about? stop posting about crap u dont know squat about. if you actually understood the game youd know high sp chars have clones in the tens and sometimes hundreds of millions. And I guarantee you many of these people aren't losing pods that often. They're choosing to avoid ships or areas of space where their pods are at a high risk of becoming exposed and captured.
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Paranoid Loyd
2483
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Posted - 2014.11.04 23:33:37 -
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Dr Beatrox wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Angeal MacNova wrote:As it is, clone costs serve as an isk sink. The isk sink is so absurdly small that my spacepoor self could probably cover it for everyone in this game for November and possibly through December as well, judging from the math given by some dude in this thread who took the opposite position. It may as well not exist, the economy certainly isn't going to notice the difference. what the hell r u talking about? stop posting about crap u dont know squat about. if you actually understood the game youd know high sp chars have clones in the tens and sometimes hundreds of millions. Hundres of Millions? Which ones are those?
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5522
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Posted - 2014.11.05 00:09:25 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Dr Beatrox wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Angeal MacNova wrote:As it is, clone costs serve as an isk sink. The isk sink is so absurdly small that my spacepoor self could probably cover it for everyone in this game for November and possibly through December as well, judging from the math given by some dude in this thread who took the opposite position. It may as well not exist, the economy certainly isn't going to notice the difference. what the hell r u talking about? stop posting about crap u dont know squat about. if you actually understood the game youd know high sp chars have clones in the tens and sometimes hundreds of millions. Hundreds of millions? Which ones are those? Last I checked the most expensive ones being used are 40mil and that would be on the rare side. I pay over 40m every time.
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Paranoid Loyd
2483
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Posted - 2014.11.05 00:15:00 -
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I realize your API is not linked but according to the kill boards you have not lost a pod since June, how many times were you podded last month?
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23768
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Posted - 2014.11.05 00:36:38 -
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that multibox gang I posted, you're looking at 1.1 Billion SP. Hence my talk about 350 million ISK pod totals.
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Paranoid Loyd
2484
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Posted - 2014.11.05 00:37:59 -
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Yes, we should make decisions based off multi-boxers wants. Did you really lose all of your pods? Do you often lose all of your pods?
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite
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ArmyOfMe
PILGRIMS Advent of Fate
366
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Posted - 2014.11.05 01:22:32 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:Dr Beatrox wrote:what the hell r u talking about? stop posting about crap u dont know squat about. if you actually understood the game youd know high sp chars have clones in the tens and sometimes hundreds of millions. And I guarantee you many of these people aren't losing pods that often. They're choosing to avoid ships or areas of space where their pods are at a high risk of becoming exposed and captured. Actually i tend to lose expensive implants quite often, and i couldnt care less about the cost of the clone it self, its only 45mill or so, its the implants that really costs.
QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken
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ArmyOfMe
PILGRIMS Advent of Fate
366
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Posted - 2014.11.05 01:23:41 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Dr Beatrox wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Angeal MacNova wrote:As it is, clone costs serve as an isk sink. The isk sink is so absurdly small that my spacepoor self could probably cover it for everyone in this game for November and possibly through December as well, judging from the math given by some dude in this thread who took the opposite position. It may as well not exist, the economy certainly isn't going to notice the difference. what the hell r u talking about? stop posting about crap u dont know squat about. if you actually understood the game youd know high sp chars have clones in the tens and sometimes hundreds of millions. Hundreds of millions? Which ones are those? Last I checked the most expensive ones being used are 40mil and that would be on the rare side. I pay over 40m every time. Im quite sure you can afford those 40ish mill marlona
QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken
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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
2013
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Posted - 2014.11.05 01:28:52 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Pssst.
watch CCP FoxFour's presentation from Eve Vegas. Steve, sir, I am directly opposed to your suggestion that CCP's powerpoint slides are something to trust. Foxfour's exact words from that stream (starts at 7:20) "We're not sure exactly what we're doing, but we do know we want to look at it. We'll probably be looking at it for December, and we'll see what happens. We're interested in knowing what you guys think. If you guys have any strong opinions on this, on what we should do, we'd love to hear from you."This thread has been sarcastic at times but we've also kept it civil for Fozzie, and it's relatively tame by EVE standards. So here's the strong opinions, where's the Dev participation that Fozzie said happens on EVE-O I suggest you watch o7 tomorrow. I think we will be talking about some of this. :)
I always wanted player made and traded clones on the market that and adding a clone vat bay to poses and brining back the concept of the Mothership.
make clones made out of biomass and PI stuff...
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23784
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Posted - 2014.11.05 02:10:55 -
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No, Lloyd, I don't always lose pods. In that picture I had a decision to make on my first null fleet voyage.
I wanted to keep training with +5 sets, and they're already plugged in. So I can med clone myself out there, and bring my implants in a ceptor (an option I use)... OR get my gang nice and mean looking to survive what I might find by fleeting properly.
To understand my logic you have to understand the RP dilemma of tucking my tail and med cloning versus the proper, respectable way to do things.
I fleeted in my full training clones ;-) one box or five boxes, let's not make this a multiboxer thing eh?
I said it before, but an absence of killboard activity doesn't mean a person doesn't necessarily _not_ play. I prefer to stay off killboards.
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corebloodbrothers
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
663
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Posted - 2014.11.05 12:41:05 -
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Several csm members have brought the issue of clone cost growth as u progress in eve, being punished for olaying it loyally. Ccp has lend us a willing ear, and u ll have too wait and see if and how this is going to lead to a chance. But your re certainly heard on the subject, rest is nda |
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
346
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Posted - 2014.11.05 13:00:30 -
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To me having a high clone cost is just one part of risk in EVE though I can see why people don't feel like paying +30mils for a new clone. It does give you a bit of an odd feeling knowing that the AF / ceptor with fittings you're flying with is cheaper then your clone even without implants. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1580
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Posted - 2014.11.05 15:31:06 -
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Implants are a choice. I'm never forced to implant my clone. While a player can adapt his choice of implants to the probability of pod death, the upgrade costs are static regardless of the players income. While ISK efficiency isn't my main concern, I do make a point of not wasting it on pointless ventures. I would probably do more pointless but fun stuff if it wasn't an issue. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23792
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Posted - 2014.11.05 15:31:18 -
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don't stop believin
November is med clone cost awareness month
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Sanasuke
the muppets DARKNESS.
0
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Posted - 2014.11.05 18:17:35 -
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Well i do hope that CCP reviews the clone costs i prefer to PVP in small ships and paying more for the pod than for the ship is ********. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
738
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Posted - 2014.11.05 18:39:25 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Altrue wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote: I suggest you watch o7 tomorrow. I think we will be talking about some of this. :)
By "tomorrow" you means "tomorrow's tomorrow", right? I'm bad with days. :(
when you drink enough tomorrow and tomorrow's tomorrow are practically the same day.
I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me!
In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod
- Mara Rinn
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
161
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Posted - 2014.11.05 19:56:36 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Dr Beatrox wrote:what the hell r u talking about? stop posting about crap u dont know squat about. if you actually understood the game youd know high sp chars have clones in the tens and sometimes hundreds of millions. And I guarantee you many of these people aren't losing pods that often. They're choosing to avoid ships or areas of space where their pods are at a high risk of becoming exposed and captured. Actually i tend to lose expensive implants quite often, and i couldnt care less about the cost of the clone it self, its only 45mill or so, its the implants that really costs. This discussion is not about implants.
You have a choice to fly with implants or not. You don't really have a choice with regards to the med clone.
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Angeal MacNova
LankTech
242
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Posted - 2014.11.06 00:33:27 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:ArmyOfMe wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:Dr Beatrox wrote:what the hell r u talking about? stop posting about crap u dont know squat about. if you actually understood the game youd know high sp chars have clones in the tens and sometimes hundreds of millions. And I guarantee you many of these people aren't losing pods that often. They're choosing to avoid ships or areas of space where their pods are at a high risk of becoming exposed and captured. Actually i tend to lose expensive implants quite often, and i couldnt care less about the cost of the clone it self, its only 45mill or so, its the implants that really costs. This discussion is not about implants. You have a choice to fly with implants or not. You don't really have a choice with regards to the med clone.
Actually you do. You don't have to pay to upgrade your clone. You'll just have to be prepared to live with the consequences if you get podded with an alpha clone.
Also, you say how your space poor self could cover everyone's yet support a reduction on the costs. If it's so low as it is, then why bother complaining about it in the first place? Why have CCP waste time on it? As per my last post in this thread, I'd rather see the current costs get used for more. A reduction to the current cost is a nerf to it's potential use.
As for the isk sink. Yeah, it is small. Yeah, it will have a negligible impact on the game's economy...individually.
They reduce this cost, then later on they reduce the cost of something else, and then again later on with something else...the sum of which will have a significant impact. I'd much rather draw that line here and now rather than open any doors that potentially lead to something that is harmful.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23831
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Posted - 2014.11.06 01:16:35 -
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It is a nice thought to have med clone costs mean something, but that's going to be a tough one without widening the skill gap. Cuz that's already there. In terms of bounuses to modules and ship performance, it's as if the higher SP clone has +5% to +25% implants for every single attribute.
That sounds like something higher SP characters should have to pay for, I know, but it's already been paid for with subs. Which touches on my point about CCP double dipping. Charge ISK (or PLEX or irl money) to accumulate SP, then charge ISK again to keep it whenever it gets used.. that's double!
One or the other, c'mon don't bleed me dry twice. This is an important point.
Also, I don't take Rise's announcement about permadeath seriously. I really think it was something he included for drama. The date of Hilmar's quote was comical, considering how long ago that was, and how much has changed since. It strikes me as a joke that you're supposed to realize is a joke.
But if it was true, instant SP would solve the problem of the invisible implants that high SP characters practically always have plugged in (that took years of subs to accumulate). Level IV skills and some strategic +4% implants could make the notion of rookie characters going toe-to-toe against older characters a reality.
If you have any ideas of how to make med clone choices worthwhile, I'm curious to hear them. I've thought about it over the last few days, and I don't have any ideas for ways to make med clone costs interesting.
The other issue with med clone cost choices is, should higher SP characters have access to more appealing choices than low SP players, for paying more?
I can't think of anything that wouldn't be outright OP. Can you?
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Angeal MacNova
LankTech
243
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Posted - 2014.11.06 01:50:26 -
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You either pay a sub to play or use a PLEX. WRT PLEX, you either buy them directly or support their sale by buying them in game with isk. The bottom line is money in CCP's pocket. For doing so, you can play their game. That's as far as that goes.
The rest is all within game. Implants, ships, mods, and even clone upgrades is all within the confines of the game. Thus there is no relation between paying to log in and the cost of clones even if you pay to play by paying isk in game to buy PLEX off the market.
One way clone costs can be utilized beyond its current scope I have already stated with my first post in the thread. I could describe it in greater detail if need be. The idea being a conglomerate of ideas regarding the current bounty system and how it can be made into an actual profession worth pursuing.
However you do make an interesting point. Having the higher SP is like having the benefits of an implant and why shouldn't this come as its current cost? Considering the amount of a bonus people are getting for the cost vs the cost of implants and the bonuses they offer, to say med clone costs are a bargain would be an understatement. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23831
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Posted - 2014.11.06 01:57:36 -
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bro, because it takes a year and 12 PLEX per 20 million SP.. that's not a bargain, that's the going rate.
what reason is there to accumulate SP if not the benefit (5% per level etc)
This is one of those lore ideas devs had in their head way back when. phrases like:
Mines. space mines. that would be an awesome idea. Missiles. space missiles. that would be an awesome idea. Defender missiles to shoot the space missiles. Bombs. space bombs that have area of effect damage. Doomsday weapons that are totally OP and annihilate everything (there won't be that many) Powerful players should have to pay more for their pods because they're uber.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
161
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Posted - 2014.11.06 02:18:02 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:Primary This Rifter wrote:You have a choice to fly with implants or not. You don't really have a choice with regards to the med clone. Actually you do. You don't have to pay to upgrade your clone. You'll just have to be prepared to live with the consequences if you get podded with an alpha clone. So what you're saying is, you don't really have a choice with regards to the med clone. Thanks for playing.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
23831
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Posted - 2014.11.06 04:15:26 -
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Players who don't undock, yeah that makes sense to them as a valid HTFU comment.
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Angeal MacNova
LankTech
243
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Posted - 2014.11.06 13:16:02 -
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Rain6637 wrote:bro, because it takes a year and 12 PLEX per 20 million SP.. that's not a bargain, that's the going rate.
what reason is there to accumulate SP if not the benefit (5% per level etc)
This is one of those lore ideas devs had in their head way back when. phrases like:
Mines. space mines. that would be an awesome idea. Missiles. space missiles. that would be an awesome idea. Defender missiles to shoot the space missiles. Bombs. space bombs that have area of effect damage. Doomsday weapons that are totally OP and annihilate everything (there won't be that many) Powerful players should have to pay more for their pods because they're uber.
Nice strawman. The 12 PLEX was for game time. See first paragraph of my last post.
A high end implant set will cost you what? I've seen KMs with people who had over a billion and yet their total bonus from that implant set was a small fraction to the bonus they get from their SP while their SP has them at a clone level that is less than 50 million. That's not a bargain, that's a steal.
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