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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.09 18:04:00 -
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Hey everyone. As we mentioned in our recent dev blog, we are looking at enabling titan doomsday device operation in lowsec space.
The restriction against lowsec use of doomsdays is a relic of the days when the doomsday was an AoE weapon like bombs. We have been wanting to clear up this exception for quite a while, and with the changes to capital ship movement in Phoebe we have an excellent opportunity to clear this up.
All existing restrictions around the doomsday decide will remain, including the fact that they can only be used against capitals.
Let us know what you think! Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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BadAssMcKill
ElitistOps
893
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Posted - 2014.10.09 18:06:00 -
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Will there be anything to DD though . |
Ayallah
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
311
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Posted - 2014.10.09 18:09:00 -
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BadAssMcKill wrote:Will there be anything to DD though
badass pls -áFear The Tribes |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5653
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Posted - 2014.10.09 18:20:00 -
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=]I[= |
Eveli
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
14
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Posted - 2014.10.09 18:21:00 -
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semi hype |
dexter xio
TURN LEFT
65
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Posted - 2014.10.09 18:22:00 -
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neat Dexter xio - That cool guy |
Neckbeard Nolyfe
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2014.10.09 18:24:00 -
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BadAssMcKill wrote:Will there be anything to DD though
There will be plenty of JF's and rorqs around. ~lvl 60 paladin~ |
47Magnum
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
48
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Posted - 2014.10.09 18:31:00 -
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Should let us DD structures imo |
Overlord Invictus
The Graduates Forged of Fire
0
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Posted - 2014.10.09 18:46:00 -
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im sure boat will be pleased, his yearly relapse in thinking you can dd in lowsec will be surprisingly effective, not a complete disaster as was previously! |
hfo df
Ramm's RDI Tactical Narcotics Team
25
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Posted - 2014.10.09 18:50:00 -
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Boat will be pleased. |
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Current Habit
Get LP or Die Trying
11
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Posted - 2014.10.09 18:54:00 -
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Is the timer preventing the titan from cloaking and using his jump drive also stopping gatejumps? |
Noah Swan
Valkyries of Night Of Sound Mind
0
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Posted - 2014.10.09 18:54:00 -
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Will this lead to bombs and bubbles also becoming useable in low-sec in the long run? |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
11536
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Posted - 2014.10.09 18:57:00 -
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Noah Swan wrote:Will this lead to bombs and bubbles also becoming useable in low-sec in the long run?
Nope. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
823
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Posted - 2014.10.09 19:02:00 -
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There are plenty of idiots in losec with supers and other caps. Feel free to go roam Genesis. The nobs in Beke like to drop carriers on everything.
Well, at least they did until recently. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=24589980 huehuehuehuehue GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥ -Grath Telkin, 2014.
Free PASTA! |
Gremk
The Red Island Foundation Gentlemen's.Club
0
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Posted - 2014.10.09 19:37:00 -
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I would love for you to be able to DD anything. Coupled with the new changes, I think that it would not be OP and anyone wanting to put their titan at risk for lulz should be able to do so. |
Kat Ayclism
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
315
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Posted - 2014.10.09 19:44:00 -
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Give us back DDing subcaps or unnerf cap guns vs subs and we gucci m8 |
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
24209
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Posted - 2014.10.09 19:44:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Noah Swan wrote:Will this lead to bombs and bubbles also becoming useable in low-sec in the long run? Nope. bubbles should stay out of lowsec, but PLEASE allow bombs! Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase
I like to gank it, gank it!
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
782
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Posted - 2014.10.09 19:45:00 -
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It's totally wrong. |
JEFFRAIDER
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
334
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Posted - 2014.10.09 19:57:00 -
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new gatecamping ship :) |
JamesUtah
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2014.10.09 19:58:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Noah Swan wrote:Will this lead to bombs and bubbles also becoming useable in low-sec in the long run? Nope.
why not bombs? |
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X ATM092
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
429
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Posted - 2014.10.09 20:01:00 -
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47Magnum wrote:Should let us DD structures imo
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JEFFRAIDER
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
334
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Posted - 2014.10.09 20:13:00 -
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Can Titans use stargates after doomsdaying? |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
648
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Posted - 2014.10.09 20:14:00 -
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Whatever you did with force projection nerf to ajevolate small gang pvp (small capital brawls) you destroyed with DDs. Even our litle corp ha enough of them to scar a capital brawl.
Imo best option for lowsec would be to remove both SC and Titans completely from lowsec. That be a small gang heaven and finally lowsec would have its identity. Nullsec peeps will have their NPC 0.0 to keep them safe which would give more meaning to that sec also. BALEX is recruiting -----> tinyurl.com/oscmmlv |
Star Bellatrix
Ubiquitous Hurt
0
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Posted - 2014.10.09 20:33:00 -
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JEFFRAIDER wrote:Can Titans use stargates after doomsdaying?
You'll have to wait your DD to cycle and the weapon timer to finish. |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
2000
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Posted - 2014.10.09 21:34:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Noah Swan wrote:Will this lead to bombs and bubbles also becoming useable in low-sec in the long run? Nope.
How about restricting outgate activation. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:
Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad. |
Summer Isle
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
128
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Posted - 2014.10.09 21:37:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Noah Swan wrote:Will this lead to bombs and bubbles also becoming useable in low-sec in the long run? Nope. Thank Bob. Bubbles are one of the (many) reasons I prefer lowsec over nulsec. -áTalk is cheap, but Void S and Quake L are cheaper. |
Ilyana Nehla
Caldari Supply and Armament Inc.
15
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Posted - 2014.10.09 21:48:00 -
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How about a DD with "scripts"? One like the one back with AoE ,but scaling with signature/explo velocity so subcaps are almost not "hitable" and one like now, focused on one target with more damage. |
Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
1280
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Posted - 2014.10.09 21:56:00 -
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If the low-sec restriction is a relic of the past, is increasing the titans Ship Maintenance bay on the table? As I pointed out in this thread (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5102919#post5102919) I think increasing the capacity of a Titan's SMA can be a very positive influence in the meta. ~ |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
6650
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Posted - 2014.10.09 21:56:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: The restriction against lowsec use of doomsdays is a relic of the days when the doomsday was an AoE weapon like bombs. We have been wanting to clear up this exception for quite a while, and with the changes to capital ship movement in Phoebe we have an excellent opportunity to clear this up.
I recall titan doomsdays being usable in lowsec when they became a single target weapons. The ability was removed a few patches later. I'm wondering was it removed because it was seen as a bug and if it was removed for other reasons, what has changed in your calculation? Do you think the current supercap balance is in such a good place compared to Dominion, jump fatigue changes including, that it won't again turn in to a problem for lowseccers? |
Anthar Thebess
764
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Posted - 2014.10.09 22:09:00 -
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Leave lowsec like it is now. In lowsec titan pilot can easily DD a JF/Rorqual on station undock while not being in any danger. Only thing that can threat super in lowsec is hic.
In nullsec this can be light dictor, or just anchorable bubble to keep titan in place.
You can easily jam a hictor, but you cannot do this to a sabre bubble or anchorable one.
We will get 2 falcon + cloacked titan sitting on some undocks. Support Needed : Jump Fuel Consumption Support Needed : Faction Crystal Changes |
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Servant's Lord
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
69
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Posted - 2014.10.09 22:15:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote: The restriction against lowsec use of doomsdays is a relic of the days when the doomsday was an AoE weapon like bombs. We have been wanting to clear up this exception for quite a while, and with the changes to capital ship movement in Phoebe we have an excellent opportunity to clear this up.
I recall titan doomsdays being usable in lowsec when they became a single target weapons. The ability was removed a few patches later. I'm wondering was it removed because it was seen as a bug and if it was removed for other reasons, what has changed in your calculation? Do you think the current supercap balance is in such a good place compared to Dominion, jump fatigue changes including, that it won't again turn in to a problem for lowseccers?
They were.
I was rather upset, as I got my first titan not too too long after they removed them.
Proof:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5089225
CCP specifically removed the ability to DD in losec. History would've changed quite a bit if it wasn't - the fight we (the DRF and co) had with NC in Uemon would've been a lot different.
At the time, we could field higher supercarrier numbers, but they had higher titan numbers. They lost their titan advantage pretty soundly after uemon BECAUSE they cyno'd in a ton of titans, while we used our supercarrier advantage to slaughter their titans taht COULDNT dd in losec.
Iirc that single fight p. much ended Kula Kain (the hostile fc iirc) being an FC for the NC and/or any major groups. |
Crazey Monkey
Windrammers Bohica Empire
53
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Posted - 2014.10.09 22:17:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Leave lowsec like it is now. In lowsec titan pilot can easily DD a JF/Rorqual on station undock while not being in any danger. Only thing that can threat super in lowsec is hic.
In nullsec this can be light dictor, or just anchorable bubble to keep titan in place.
You can easily jam a hictor, but you cannot do this to a sabre bubble or anchorable one.
We will get 2 falcon + cloacked titan sitting on some undocks. Sounds like great opportunities for people like SC and snuff to flex some muscle. |
Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
791
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Posted - 2014.10.09 22:28:00 -
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I think supercaps are ridiculously difficult to kill without bubbles.
Can we consider replacing their warp disruption immunity with a +100 warp strength role bonus instead? Targeting, Sensors and ECM Overhaul |
Servant's Lord
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
69
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Posted - 2014.10.09 22:34:00 -
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Swiftstrike1 wrote:I think supercaps are ridiculously difficult to kill without bubbles.
Can we consider replacing their warp disruption immunity with a +100 warp strength role bonus instead?
Tackling is the real problem with titans, and they don't have "warp disruption immunity" - they have EWAR immunity.
As far as I'm concerned, they can have supers be vulnerable to tackle from a single rifter(assuming they actually make titans worth something more than a really ****** POS ornament.)
The ewar immunity of titans/supercarriers/dreads in siege/carriers in triage needs to stay, but the titans/supers need to be tackleable by anything.
Posting from class, so can't really make a proper post explaining the reasoning and history atm.
Just remove their ewar immunity SOLELY from warp disruptors/warp scramblers - problem solved. |
DJ FunkyBacon
Eve Radio Corporation
342
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Posted - 2014.10.09 22:38:00 -
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As I have stated previously, removing DD restriction in lowsec is fine, as long as point immunity goes out the window with it. Give supers a high native warp strength in the 5-6 range. Alternatively you could make hics not worthless in lowsec for anything but pointing supers where someone might actually be willing to sacrifice a decent ship to have one in fleet. CSM9 Factional Warfare/Lowsec Representative Radio Host, Blogger, Lowsec Resident, PvP Afficionado. http://funkybacon.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/FunkyBacon |
Galphii
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
273
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Posted - 2014.10.09 22:40:00 -
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Given the restrictions on their use (subcaps, jump fatigue reducing 'drive-by' attacks) I can't see a problem with this. I would suggest you consider mass-based aggression timers though, for the inevitable 'de-aggress and jump through gate' with capitals (which applies to regular sized caps and stations too). X |
Galphii
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
273
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Posted - 2014.10.09 22:40:00 -
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DJ FunkyBacon wrote:As I have stated previously, removing DD restriction in lowsec is fine, as long as point immunity goes out the window with it. Give supers a high native warp strength in the 5-6 range. Alternatively you could make hics not worthless in lowsec for anything but pointing supers where someone might actually be willing to sacrifice a decent ship to have one in fleet. THIS. Absolutely correct, this should be a thing that happens. X |
JEFFRAIDER
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
339
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Posted - 2014.10.09 22:45:00 -
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DJ FunkyBacon wrote:As I have stated previously, removing DD restriction in lowsec is fine, as long as point immunity goes out the window with it. Give supers a high native warp strength in the 5-6 range. Alternatively you could make hics not worthless in lowsec for anything but pointing supers where someone might actually be willing to sacrifice a decent ship to have one in fleet.
hahahaha holy **** you're actually a csm?! |
Catherine Laartii
Providence Guard Templis CALSF
312
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Posted - 2014.10.09 22:45:00 -
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47Magnum wrote:Should let us DD structures imo inb4 1shot fw ihub bashes |
Catherine Laartii
Providence Guard Templis CALSF
312
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Posted - 2014.10.09 22:48:00 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Noah Swan wrote:Will this lead to bombs and bubbles also becoming useable in low-sec in the long run? Nope. bubbles should stay out of lowsec, but PLEASE allow bombs! NO GOD NO. Bombers already run FW missions well enough, and having them in FW plexes? Although TBH it would get rid of gal blobbing, so that IS a plus. Just not enough. |
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Dansara
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
2
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Posted - 2014.10.09 23:49:00 -
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Thanks Fozzie, lowsec DD is much appreciated. This is probably more directed at Titan rebalancing, but can we get the SMA of a titan increased?
Secondly, can DD's be overhauled where they are scriptable? Like the HIC bubble? Basically make the focussed DD only be able to shoot at caps as they do now.
Unscripted DD acts like 50% dmg AOE with diminishing returns. Where the further away from the titan you are the less dmg you take.
I.e. Within 10km you take 100% of the adjusted AOE wave, 10-50km you take a reduced amount , out to 100km etc etc?
Edit: saw this was already suggested, before reading. |
kidkoma
Catastrophic Overview Failure Brave Collective
21
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Posted - 2014.10.10 00:30:00 -
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Dansara wrote:Thanks Fozzie, lowsec DD is much appreciated. This is probably more directed at Titan rebalancing, but can we get the SMA of a titan increased?
Secondly, can DD's be overhauled where they are scriptable? Like the HIC bubble? Basically make the focussed DD only be able to shoot at caps as they do now.
Unscripted DD acts like 50% dmg AOE with diminishing returns. Where the further away from the titan you are the less dmg you take.
I.e. Within 10km you take 100% of the adjusted AOE wave, 10-50km you take a reduced amount , out to 100km etc etc?
Edit: saw this was already suggested, before reading.
So basically a supersmartbomb? |
Kossaw
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
100
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Posted - 2014.10.10 00:39:00 -
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JEFFRAIDER wrote:Can Titans use stargates after doomsdaying?
Apparently 'Yes - sometimes".
It seems to be pretty bugged atm. Sometimes you can jump and your DD timer gets reset, sometimes your Agro Timer sticks on One Minute, You cant jump and everything works as it should.
WTB : An image in my signature |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
224
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Posted - 2014.10.10 02:32:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Noah Swan wrote:Will this lead to bombs and bubbles also becoming useable in low-sec in the long run? Nope.
Logic.
CCP aint using it. |
Shey Nabali
Collapsed Out Overload Everything
10
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Posted - 2014.10.10 03:38:00 -
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Kossaw wrote:JEFFRAIDER wrote:Can Titans use stargates after doomsdaying? Apparently 'Yes - sometimes". It seems to be pretty bugged atm. Sometimes you can jump and your DD timer gets reset, sometimes your Agro Timer sticks on One Minute, You cant jump and everything works as it should.
You have to kill the DD target. If you don't kill the DD target your aggression timer sticks. If it dies, your aggression goes away and you can jump through the gate.
EDIT: a word |
Kat Ayclism
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
319
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Posted - 2014.10.10 06:29:00 -
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Shey Nabali wrote:Kossaw wrote:JEFFRAIDER wrote:Can Titans use stargates after doomsdaying? Apparently 'Yes - sometimes". It seems to be pretty bugged atm. Sometimes you can jump and your DD timer gets reset, sometimes your Agro Timer sticks on One Minute, You cant jump and everything works as it should. You have to kill the DD target. If you don't kill the DD target your aggression timer sticks. If it dies, your aggression goes away and you can jump through the gate. EDIT: a word Nope. |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
787
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Posted - 2014.10.10 06:29:00 -
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DJ FunkyBacon wrote:As I have stated previously, removing DD restriction in lowsec is fine, as long as point immunity goes out the window with it. Give supers a high native warp strength in the 5-6 range. Alternatively you could make hics not worthless in lowsec for anything but pointing supers where someone might actually be willing to sacrifice a decent ship to have one in fleet. As it stands, an atron is worth more to me as a small gang FC than a Phobos, and that's not an exaggeration.
Then use a proper HIC and not this piece of garbage. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
2707
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Posted - 2014.10.10 06:32:00 -
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I approve of this change.
Now look into scripted AoE doomsdays on T2 Titans to solve lag. Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
Kira Hizu
PH0ENIX COMPANY Northern Associates.
8
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Posted - 2014.10.10 07:22:00 -
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Hello!
Once again we look for new or better roles for a titan. Since CCP has made some cool changes. It's time we push for HIC size titain. Thats right with cool scripts of which it can play out during combat.
Scripts ?
Fleet Bones Killer (Enemy stop getting fleet bones if in side the bubble) Web Disruption Warp Disruption Ship Anchor (Can't lock unless inside it's bubble)
ideas are endless... |
Niden
Moira. Villore Accords
124
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Posted - 2014.10.10 07:30:00 -
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DJ FunkyBacon wrote:As I have stated previously, removing DD restriction in lowsec is fine, as long as point immunity goes out the window with it. Give supers a high native warp strength in the 5-6 range. Alternatively you could make hics not worthless in lowsec for anything but pointing supers where someone might actually be willing to sacrifice a decent ship to have one in fleet. As it stands, an atron is worth more to me as a small gang FC than a Phobos, and that's not an exaggeration.
I agree with the above. +1
Also: NO BUBBLES IN LOWSEC NO BOMBERS IN LOWSEC 0.0 can keep that ****.
/N
Moira corp | Villore Accords | Gallente militia |-á Lowlife on Crossing Zebras | @Niden_GMVA |
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Drackarn
Quantum Cats Syndicate
44
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Posted - 2014.10.10 07:55:00 -
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As a low-sec PvP dweller/capital pilot, I have got nothing against DD's now they are not the "Push Button. Nuke ALL THE THINGS. (Its the only way to be sure)." that they used to be.
However, just want to re-emphasise the point that has already been made. HICs and only semi useful in low and DICs are pretty useless for their primary function. I have a HIC in the hanger fitted for infa-point for low-sec supers/stabbed-to-the-nines smart-bombing BS. However they are not easy to catch. In the days of DnD more supers escaped than we caught simply because a HIC has to land, lock, point rather than in null where it is land and BUBBLE!
We don't want bubbles in low-sec, but if we're using our capitals and risk a super or 12 turning up, we need a way of tying them down. At the minute it is too easy for a super to escape in low-sec.
FB suggested high native warpcore strength which might work. Another might be to have a super-only type bubble for low-sec. One that only effects super-capitals? I am not a coder so no idea if that is easy or "pos revamp" type difficult. Third option would be infina-points for dictors. A dictor only high-slot module? Or how about a charge for the dictor bubble launcher that requires a lock and disables the warp/jump drive of the target for 2 minutes?
So many solutions to the main problem here - low-sec needs a better way to capture supers than an infina-point fit HIC. http://sandciderandspaceships.blogspot.com/ |
Sanche Tehkeli
Bionesis Technologies
1
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Posted - 2014.10.10 08:50:00 -
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I agree with the concern of being capable of pinning a super down, even for a few dozen of seconds.
Because supers could aggro on gate (and they are wide enough to cover gates except Empire ones), deaggro, wait for 1 minute, gatejump, relax while gatecloaked and jump out if fatigue allows, that's quite a boost of their impunity. Even HICs couldn't prevent a super to use the gate at the moment.
Obviously, if a Titan uses its DD, it should be pinned for the whole timer, including use of gates. And HIC pointed supers shouldn't be able to use gates as well.
That is sensible to me, as a low-sec dweller. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1770
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Posted - 2014.10.10 09:58:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone. As we mentioned in our recent dev blog, we are looking at enabling titan doomsday device operation in lowsec space. The restriction against lowsec use of doomsdays is a relic of the days when the doomsday was an AoE weapon like bombs. We have been wanting to clear up this exception for quite a while, and with the changes to capital ship movement in Phoebe we have an excellent opportunity to clear this up. All existing restrictions around the doomsday decide will remain, including the fact that they can only be used against capitals. Let us know what you think!
First you make the usage of solo capitals seems less riskier due to jump drive nerfs and less chance (less than 99% as is now) of ahotdrop. THen you bring that and basically defines that NO !! YOU SHALL NOT UNDOCK in a SOLO carrier (or 2-3 for the matter) in low sec.
GReat work.. (sorry beign sarcastic). You are makign low sec even more adverse to smaller groups. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1770
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Posted - 2014.10.10 09:59:00 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Noah Swan wrote:Will this lead to bombs and bubbles also becoming useable in low-sec in the long run? Nope. Logic. CCP aint using it.
REad his ORIGINAL post. He IS usign logic. HE said celarly that things they restrict in low sec are EXACLTY AoE things. And htat is why Doomsdays do nto need to be restricted there anymore ( on their view) "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Niden
Moira. Villore Accords
124
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Posted - 2014.10.10 10:53:00 -
[55] - Quote
Just to be clear: I believe in allowing DD and giving heavy interdictors a secondary role / reason to have in lowsec. Moira corp | Villore Accords | Gallente militia |-á Lowlife on Crossing Zebras | @Niden_GMVA |
Airi Cho
Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes
20
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Posted - 2014.10.10 11:36:00 -
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+1 on the dont let titans jump until the DD timer is up.
but hics are fine even for lowsec. focused script works nicely as long range tackle even against battleships and such. or deep space transports. |
Onslaughtor
Occult National Security
98
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Posted - 2014.10.10 11:52:00 -
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I personally do not like this change. Mostly because the balance between capitals and titans is already so imbalanced. Supers are already so hard to tackle in lowsec as it is that this change basically will lead to less interesting and less balanced capfights between lowsec entities.
So either don't do this. Or make it so supers can be tackled by something other than only 4 types of ships that can't be repped. |
Luscius Uta
108
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Posted - 2014.10.10 12:11:00 -
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I would not touch the EWAR immunity since using your Titan to doomdsay someone puts it at significant risk for the next 10 minutes (during this timer Titan also should not be able to use stargates after these changes) and any non-scrub group should be able to board few HICs and Dreads in that time (as well as batphone in needed). Of course there's few exceptions to the above - like when Titan pilot is in PL or has a POS in system, but overall I think these changes will cause more dead Titans than dead Jump Freighters. Also +1 to the idea of HIC-like scripted DD (single target with script, AoE effect that can be activated only in null without). People hate highsec for various reasons. Mine is the terrible metallic music that plays on and on. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5478
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Posted - 2014.10.10 12:55:00 -
[59] - Quote
Nolak Ataru wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Noah Swan wrote:Will this lead to bombs and bubbles also becoming useable in low-sec in the long run? Nope. Logic. CCP aint using it.
Offensive AOE actions are likely to give Crimewatch conniptions, which from memory is one of the reasons AoE DDDs were barred from lowsec in the first place. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Vulfen
Snuff Box
149
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Posted - 2014.10.10 13:05:00 -
[60] - Quote
Crazey Monkey wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:Leave lowsec like it is now. In lowsec titan pilot can easily DD a JF/Rorqual on station undock while not being in any danger. Only thing that can threat super in lowsec is hic.
In nullsec this can be light dictor, or just anchorable bubble to keep titan in place.
You can easily jam a hictor, but you cannot do this to a sabre bubble or anchorable one.
We will get 2 falcon + cloacked titan sitting on some undocks. Sounds like great opportunities for people like SC and snuff to flex some muscle.
Lol at us getting a mention again.
People seem to forget it takes some seconds for a DD to actually hit, so redock if your not kicked out. Also you are then set in place for 30 seconds unable to move. Thats a nice and easy way to get 10 hics dropped on you, so your 2 falcons wont do **** I really hope you try though. |
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Liberty Belle
Yulai Heavy Industries The Serenity Initiative
7
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Posted - 2014.10.10 13:40:00 -
[61] - Quote
Leave the doomsdays out of low until we see what kind of game play emerges from pheobe as currently proposed. At first pass it just seems unnecessary to go there. |
Gempei
Marvinovi pratele Nulli Secunda
56
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Posted - 2014.10.10 13:46:00 -
[62] - Quote
DJ FunkyBacon wrote:As I have stated previously, removing DD restriction in lowsec is fine, as long as point immunity goes out the window with it. But then titans need something to hit small things, in current state without e-war immunity are titans helpless again small targets, like freighters. You cant activate DD and capital guns are useless. And fitting warp stabs is r******d solution.
I think titans, and supers as whole class, need deeper rebalance.
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Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
293
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Posted - 2014.10.10 14:17:00 -
[63] - Quote
Onslaughtor wrote:I personally do not like this change. Mostly because the balance between capitals and titans is already so imbalanced. Supers are already so hard to tackle in lowsec as it is that this change basically will lead to less interesting and less balanced capfights between lowsec entities.
So either don't do this. Or make it so supers can be tackled by something other than only 4 types of ships that can't be repped.
Basically Lowsec has had a interesting capital balance that was different from null. This would remove some of the uniqueness without adding anything positive for the denizens of lowsec.
Great power should come with great risk.
Simple as that. |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
294
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Posted - 2014.10.10 14:28:00 -
[64] - Quote
Liberty Belle wrote:Leave the doomsdays out of low until we see what kind of game play emerges from pheobe as currently proposed. At first pass it just seems unnecessary to go there.
Exactly. I thought having the null nancy's that are to scared to start a war with their neighbors 'NOT' hot dropping on low sec frigates and cruisers would be a good thing. |
Bernin
2
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Posted - 2014.10.10 14:28:00 -
[65] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone. As we mentioned in our recent dev blog, we are looking at enabling titan doomsday device operation in lowsec space. The restriction against lowsec use of doomsdays is a relic of the days when the doomsday was an AoE weapon like bombs. We have been wanting to clear up this exception for quite a while, and with the changes to capital ship movement in Phoebe we have an excellent opportunity to clear this up. All existing restrictions around the doomsday decide will remain, including the fact that they can only be used against capitals. Let us know what you think!
why not to bring the old DD aoe. but limit it like this
max radius = 15 km of target "like a bomb"
area of effect = if ( system security ) > 0 then radius = 0 else radius = absolute ( system security ) x max radius.
how that will work
in a system with true sec -1.0 the domsday will have a radius of 15 km. as side dmg. or in a system with -0.5 security it will have a radius damage of 7.5 km while in a system with security 0.0 or higher. aka low sec. the doomsday will only hit the target ship.
its just an idea. but i remember the old days. when a titan was a titan. not like this days. when a titan cant defend h im self from a t2 cruisier. because it simply cant hit it. "HICTORS" |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
295
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Posted - 2014.10.10 16:45:00 -
[66] - Quote
Only thing I see here is more null carebear power.
Anyone mounting an attack from lowsec can just get titan blaped to death.
So lock in that blue doughnut some more.
Better idea, make titans a one way trip to null. |
Thead Enco
Radio New Vegas
246
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Posted - 2014.10.10 17:46:00 -
[67] - Quote
Zloco Crendraven wrote:Whatever you did with force projection nerf to ajevolate small gang pvp (small capital brawls) you destroyed with DDs. Even our litle corp ha enough of them to scar a capital brawl.
Imo best option for lowsec would be to remove both SC and Titans completely from lowsec. That be a small gang heaven and finally lowsec would have its identity. Nullsec peeps will have their NPC 0.0 to keep them safe which would give more meaning to that sec also.
Adapt or Die #yolo
-á"A Lannister always pays his debts."
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Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
297
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Posted - 2014.10.10 18:15:00 -
[68] - Quote
Thead Enco wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:Whatever you did with force projection nerf to ajevolate small gang pvp (small capital brawls) you destroyed with DDs. Even our litle corp ha enough of them to scar a capital brawl.
Imo best option for lowsec would be to remove both SC and Titans completely from lowsec. That be a small gang heaven and finally lowsec would have its identity. Nullsec peeps will have their NPC 0.0 to keep them safe which would give more meaning to that sec also. Adapt or Die #yolo
Makes perfect sense, give the null care bears easier targets in low sec to keep them from attacking each other.
Should fit nicely into CCP Greyscale's objective. |
Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
324
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Posted - 2014.10.10 18:19:00 -
[69] - Quote
On a somewhat different line:
Supers and Titans can't be built in lowsec, why can they be used here? Is it just an arbitrary restriction against lowsec production? Is it a purposeful effort to give null sec producers/users an advantage when it comes to force projection in lowsec?
I would argue that either Supers & Titans should be able to be produced in lowsec, or they shouldn't work in lowsec (DDs, Bridging, FighterBombers). It seems that restricting production should also restrict usage (Example: Dreads and Carriers can't be build in highsec, and can't be used there), or that freeing up usage should free up production.
That is without even talking about how much harder it is to trap and kill supers and titans in lowsec than it is in nullsec, and not being able to anchor a cyno inhibitor to restrict their deployment into a system through anything but gates (awsome change on gate usage!). BLFOX is currently recruiting |
Irya Boone
Never Surrender.
386
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Posted - 2014.10.10 20:03:00 -
[70] - Quote
Humm what about no ?!
do we have a good way to pin down a titan in lowsec ? and no bubbles in lowsec por favor!!
titan bridge/jump should'nt even be allowed in lowsec like thanatos said if we can't produce them in low sec they should'nt be there. CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and to Put Them on Killmail TOO, same for Logi....Open that damn door !! |
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2654
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Posted - 2014.10.11 00:09:00 -
[71] - Quote
Arsine Mayhem wrote:
Anyone mounting an attack from lowsec can just get titan blaped to death. .
You're using words you don't understand, Dooms Days had nothing to do with the functions of Titan Blapping.
Irya Boone wrote:Humm what about no ?!
do we have a good way to pin down a titan in lowsec ? and no bubbles in lowsec por favor!!
titan bridge/jump should'nt even be allowed in lowsec like thanatos said if we can't produce them in low sec they should'nt be there.
Hello there Never Surrender guy.
Guess what would happen if you could build supers in lowsec?
Nothing, because you wouldn't build supers in lowsec. There is literally zero defense for your tower except for you and your tower, and I can pretty much promise you that every time you threw a CSAA up somebody NOT in Never Surrender would come along and curb stomp the living **** out of it.
There is no 'well maybe I could' involved in it, the builds would all always die in the womb. Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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Irya Boone
Never Surrender.
390
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Posted - 2014.10.11 00:54:00 -
[72] - Quote
h+¬ hello there !!
You are totally right so .. no titan doomsday in lowsec and it would be better if we could'nt use titan in lowsec neither , it's my personal PoV.
CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and to Put Them on Killmail TOO, same for Logi....Open that damn door !! |
Budrick3
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
59
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Posted - 2014.10.11 07:52:00 -
[73] - Quote
Zloco Crendraven wrote:Whatever you did with force projection nerf to ajevolate small gang pvp (small capital brawls) you destroyed with DDs. Even our litle corp ha enough of them to scar a capital brawl.
Imo best option for lowsec would be to remove both SC and Titans completely from lowsec. That be a small gang heaven and finally lowsec would have its identity. Nullsec peeps will have their NPC 0.0 to keep them safe which would give more meaning to that sec also.
Best response ever. Just remove supers from low sec and it really would polish the game. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1794
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Posted - 2014.10.11 16:15:00 -
[74] - Quote
Supercapitals of both kinds should be frowned upon in Low sec. They shoudl NOT stay there. Allowing DD is the WRONG move.
IF I coudl make the call I would make the 4 empires state a regulatory ban on super capitals in low sec.
After that whenever a supercapital enter a low sec system it shall have 1 hour less 100*security status of system minutes to leave, otherwise a NPC capital force from the emprie owner of low sec would intervene and gank the supercapital.
That way supers can Cross low sec to travel, but they cannot disrupt low sec nad meke it just the backyard of 0.0 alliances. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2591
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Posted - 2014.10.11 16:37:00 -
[75] - Quote
In exchange, can you please remove the invulnerability of supers to tackle?
Edit: Also, If a super would never be built in low sec, then why put artificial restrictions on building them there? |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
304
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Posted - 2014.10.12 02:09:00 -
[76] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:
Nothing, because you wouldn't build supers in lowsec. There is literally zero defense for your tower except for you and your tower, and I can pretty much promise you that every time you threw a CSAA up somebody NOT in Never Surrender would come along and curb stomp the living **** out of it.
There is no 'well maybe I could' involved in it, the builds would all always die in the womb.
Yea, low sec doesn't have treaty's with everyone else. We prefer to play the game instead of butsmootch. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates Forged of Fire
562
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Posted - 2014.10.12 02:20:00 -
[77] - Quote
Clearly heavy Interdictors need to be buffed.
If you took all the Supercapitals out of lowsec, I would not complain, but then you would not have the counter for someone when they dropped a bunch of boot carriers on you, which they would do with impunity. This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. |
Steppa Musana
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
210
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Posted - 2014.10.12 10:58:00 -
[78] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:Irya Boone wrote:Humm what about no ?!
do we have a good way to pin down a titan in lowsec ? and no bubbles in lowsec por favor!!
titan bridge/jump should'nt even be allowed in lowsec like thanatos said if we can't produce them in low sec they should'nt be there. Hello there Never Surrender guy. Guess what would happen if you could build supers in lowsec? Nothing, because you wouldn't build supers in lowsec. There is literally zero defense for your tower except for you and your tower, and I can pretty much promise you that every time you threw a CSAA up somebody NOT in Never Surrender would come along and curb stomp the living **** out of it. There is no 'well maybe I could' involved in it, the builds would all always die in the womb. This sounds like a reason to allow it . So many stupid pilots, so many potential CSAA's to go blap. Hey guys. |
spottington
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
13
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Posted - 2014.10.12 11:36:00 -
[79] - Quote
Grath Telkin wrote:
Hello there Never Surrender guy.
Guess what would happen if you could build supers in lowsec?
Nothing, because you wouldn't build supers in lowsec. There is literally zero defense for your tower except for you and your tower, and I can pretty much promise you that every time you threw a CSAA up somebody NOT in Never Surrender would come along and curb stomp the living **** out of it.
There is no 'well maybe I could' involved in it, the builds would all always die in the womb.
Shh Grath we want to build titans in amamake! |
Gypsio III
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
1258
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Posted - 2014.10.12 13:05:00 -
[80] - Quote
DSTs, the Venture and, er, supercapitals.
Two are industrial ships with no significant offensive capacity. The other is the most powerful ships in the game. But all have built-in, penalty-free WCS. The main difference is that the one that isn't an industrial has an infinite number of them instead of just two.
Remove the WCS from supercapitals. |
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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
841
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Posted - 2014.10.13 17:29:56 -
[81] - Quote
Gypsio III wrote:DSTs, the Venture and, er, supercapitals. Two are industrial ships with no significant offensive capacity. The other is the most powerful ships in the game. But all have built-in, penalty-free WCS. The main difference is that the one that isn't an industrial has an infinite number of them instead of just two. Remove the WCS from supercapitals.
Which is being countered by ships with infinite +1 warp scramble strength. And it can be easily bumped out of alignment if it wants to warp. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2658
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Posted - 2014.10.14 22:38:39 -
[82] - Quote
Arsine Mayhem wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:
Nothing, because you wouldn't build supers in lowsec. There is literally zero defense for your tower except for you and your tower, and I can pretty much promise you that every time you threw a CSAA up somebody NOT in Never Surrender would come along and curb stomp the living **** out of it.
There is no 'well maybe I could' involved in it, the builds would all always die in the womb.
Yea, low sec doesn't have treaty's with everyone else. We prefer to play the game instead of butsmootch.
You could be friends with the entire rest of the game and you still wouldn't build supers in lowsec.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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elitatwo
Congregatio
375
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Posted - 2014.10.14 23:22:42 -
[83] - Quote
spottington wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:
Hello there Never Surrender guy.
Guess what would happen if you could build supers in lowsec?
Nothing, because you wouldn't build supers in lowsec. There is literally zero defense for your tower except for you and your tower, and I can pretty much promise you that every time you threw a CSAA up somebody NOT in Never Surrender would come along and curb stomp the living **** out of it.
There is no 'well maybe I could' involved in it, the builds would all always die in the womb.
Shh Grath we want to build titans in amamake!
Why am I not surprised??
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Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace Unsettled.
145
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Posted - 2014.10.15 05:07:42 -
[84] - Quote
What is the purpose of this change? |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol
1941
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Posted - 2014.10.15 07:34:28 -
[85] - Quote
Aiyshimin wrote:What is the purpose of this change? to allow doomsdays to be used in low sec, i think...
+1
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gascanu
Bearing Srl.
197
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Posted - 2014.10.15 11:15:05 -
[86] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Aiyshimin wrote:What is the purpose of this change? to allow doomsdays to be used in low sec, i think...
no it's to keep all those titan pilots subbed, by giving them a bone - more exactly a reason to stay subbed after this patch hit; |
gascanu
Bearing Srl.
195
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Posted - 2014.10.15 11:21:00 -
[87] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone. As we mentioned in our recent dev blog, we are looking at enabling titan doomsday device operation in lowsec space. The restriction against lowsec use of doomsdays is a relic of the days when the doomsday was an AoE weapon like bombs. We have been wanting to clear up this exception for quite a while, and with the changes to capital ship movement in Phoebe we have an excellent opportunity to clear this up. All existing restrictions around the doomsday decide will remain, including the fact that they can only be used against capitals. Let us know what you think!
the fact that you don't know there was a time when titan DDs where allowed in low sec, and then very soon after that, removed, scare the **** out of me; why they where removed, do you think? but yea just post more about how are you guys going to improve the game, and then act surprised when "the new stuff" blow off in your face..... |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland
851
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Posted - 2014.10.15 18:35:51 -
[88] - Quote
Jeff, no! Bad Jeff! That should be a smartbombing titan!
"Remember remember the 4th of November!"
Phoebe. Coming soon to Eve Online.
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Arronicus
Bitter Lemons Brothers of Tangra
1174
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Posted - 2014.10.16 13:26:30 -
[89] - Quote
Soldarius wrote:There are plenty of idiots in losec with supers and other caps. Feel free to go roam Genesis. The nobs in Beke like to drop carriers on everything. Well, at least they did until recently. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=24589980 huehuehuehuehue
t2 fit. empty rigslot. Only 1 carrier lost.
And you really expect them to learn a lesson here? =P |
Kalihira
Ultramar Independent Contracting
22
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Posted - 2014.10.16 16:24:29 -
[90] - Quote
Zloco Crendraven wrote:Whatever you did with force projection nerf to ajevolate small gang pvp (small capital brawls) you destroyed with DDs. Even our litle corp ha enough of them to scar a capital brawl.
Imo best option for lowsec would be to remove both SC and Titans completely from lowsec. That be a small gang heaven and finally lowsec would have its identity. Nullsec peeps will have their NPC 0.0 to keep them safe which would give more meaning to that sec also.
This... you will still lock out a good portion of lowsec to smaller gangs with no acces to supercaps or titans. You are nerfing the range, but buffing the power.. |
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Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
305
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Posted - 2014.10.17 00:27:51 -
[91] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Noah Swan wrote:Will this lead to bombs and bubbles also becoming useable in low-sec in the long run? Nope.
I don't see any reason why bombs shouldn't be allowed in low, but enabling bubbles would be making low too much like null imo.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
700
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Posted - 2014.10.17 18:53:24 -
[92] - Quote
Throught this idea out
Instead of crying nerf, create new ships
Cruisers that shoot citadel torpedos, larger bombers without a cloak. Shoots like one or two torps, small cargo bay to prevent long engagements but has a good GTFO ability to disengage (think dive bombing the death star).
Battleships with mini-DD with small isotope bay or couple unbonused (no damage, no siege cycle) XL guns (mini-dreads) (maybe only short range guns with tracking bonus for very short range shooting since their speed would kill the hits otherwise)
Ships that are only good against cap ships while being useless against smaller ships except with a few drones to defend themselves and mobile enough to respond at a moment's notice for all those players afraid of lowsec becoming the next nullsec blue donut.
Everyone is crying foul this, jump that after weapon is discharge, nerf this, whine whine whine....just give the players more content to counter newer content (ok, changed old content) in the form of smaller ships with bigger guns since not all players want to train larger ships. XL weapons are near useless against smaller ships, why not just mount them on smaller platforms like the tier 3 assaul battlecruiser or the massive amount of weapons on the destroyers (glass cannons, personally think destroyers should of been 5 guns max with minimum frig tank buffer and slow align..enough to get in and out but not survive a long engagement) |
Lord TGR
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
97
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Posted - 2014.10.20 22:21:46 -
[93] - Quote
Arsine Mayhem wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:
Nothing, because you wouldn't build supers in lowsec. There is literally zero defense for your tower except for you and your tower, and I can pretty much promise you that every time you threw a CSAA up somebody NOT in Never Surrender would come along and curb stomp the living **** out of it.
There is no 'well maybe I could' involved in it, the builds would all always die in the womb.
Yea, low sec doesn't have treaty's with everyone else. We prefer to play the game instead of butsmootch. Lowsec also, interestingly, doesn't have a sov system which basically dictates that you either agree to not attack eachother, or you get enough B-Rs to make you (or the other guy vOv) utterly incapable of mounting a defense for years, even if tons of people went into production overdrive. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
1868
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Posted - 2014.10.22 03:24:47 -
[94] - Quote
I think doomsday devices should not be allowed in lowsec, but they should be allowed against subcaps and cost an expensive fuel to fire, making them less valuable against subcaps. They should also have an explosion radius so that subcaps have a chance of surviving the hit.
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
"What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
726
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Posted - 2014.10.23 02:14:50 -
[95] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Noah Swan wrote:Will this lead to bombs and bubbles also becoming useable in low-sec in the long run? Nope.
The best and simplest answer we could ever hope to have right there. |
Tappits
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
61
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Posted - 2014.10.23 08:05:23 -
[96] - Quote
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:I think doomsday devices should not be allowed in lowsec, but they should be allowed against subcaps and cost an expensive fuel to fire, making them less valuable against subcaps. They should also have an explosion radius so that subcaps have a chance of surviving the hit.
You have no idea what your on about. One of the main resigns the ability to DD's sub-caps was removed in the first place was because you jump in a few titans into a sub-cap fight. DD the command ships DD the FC's and win the fight. Yes lets go back to that.. if your doing changes like that can you make titan guns work vs well... anything is better than we have now with the guns. |
Lucrii Dei
Vector Galactic The Big Dirty
85
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Posted - 2014.10.26 05:51:23 -
[97] - Quote
EVE is full of classy people. Alluding abortion with half-built ship destruction.
On topic; will this make people use them for things other than bridging in lowsec or will they remain sat inside towers because bringing one on field in lowsec is a really bad idea in itself?
Gÿå The Explorer I
Gÿå The Explorer II (Coming Soon!)
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Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1557
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Posted - 2014.10.26 09:01:29 -
[98] - Quote
the T1 inertia stab makes this |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
822
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Posted - 2014.10.29 12:52:54 -
[99] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone. As we mentioned in our recent dev blog, we are looking at enabling titan doomsday device operation in lowsec space. The restriction against lowsec use of doomsdays is a relic of the days when the doomsday was an AoE weapon like bombs. We have been wanting to clear up this exception for quite a while, and with the changes to capital ship movement in Phoebe we have an excellent opportunity to clear this up. All existing restrictions around the doomsday decide will remain, including the fact that they can only be used against capitals. Let us know what you think!
sad that developers does not even know history of DD usage in lowsec. |
Jur Tissant
The TERRA Guardians of Serenity
277
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Posted - 2014.11.06 20:21:10 -
[100] - Quote
Doomsday podding would be something fun.
But I'd like to think that low-sec still belongs to subcap fleets and small corps, bringing DDs could step up the game a lot for small corps with only a small capital presence. |
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Kalihira
Ultramar Independent Contracting
24
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Posted - 2014.11.09 20:34:26 -
[101] - Quote
Jur Tissant wrote:Doomsday podding would be something fun.
But I'd like to think that low-sec still belongs to subcap fleets and small corps, bringing DDs could step up the game a lot for small corps with only a small capital presence.
If only that was true.... |
OldWolf69
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
168
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Posted - 2014.11.10 04:35:37 -
[102] - Quote
And here comes the gift for lowsec too. I bet a lot of guys wil have fun getting DD'ed and blobbed in their own yard. |
Easthir Ravin
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
103
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Posted - 2014.11.10 08:31:58 -
[103] - Quote
Since we crushed mobility in EVE can we at least get grid clearing back with AOE DD modules through bridge portals? I mean you are going backwards in everything these days we might as well make it fun again. I would even let you make up something stupid as to why it would cause fatigue as well.
"less restrictions more freedoms" Balance through expansion and new stuff not rehashing the old.
IN THE IMORTAL WORDS OF SOCRATES: -á" I drank WHAT?!"
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RavenTesio
Liandri Corporation Liandri Covenant
139
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Posted - 2014.11.18 04:46:25 -
[104] - Quote
I have to say I don't think this was really well thought through, hell I don't even understand what it is you hope that this change will even accomplish... in-fact I have to say this in the History of Smart Ideas is right up there with a Chocolate Fireguard.
Still you want to actually go through with this, then actually think this through properly; rather than the usual half-arse "Oh wouldn't it be cool if..." that generally seems to occur from within CCP. I mean quite frankly, I think Carriers and Super Carriers should have their ability to use Drones removed (Fighters and Fighter-Bombers ONLY) ... on top of that Systems should scale the Jump Fatigue with volume of ships jumping in; the more ships the more fatigue, they want to come for a fight let them; but past a certain point it should be a one way trip. They either win or wake up in a clone bay.
Expand on one of the ship lines to include a 'Sub-System Super-Capital / Structure Bomber' where they can take down Supers / Structures like you would in Homeworld, meaning the use of Supers becomes a seriously risky affair; not from Null-Sec groups but from the Residents.
You want to bring WMDs to our doorstep, then give us the means to fight them Guerrilla-style. Forcing the Null-Sec groups to fight on our terms, not theirs... Seriously CCP get it through your heads, WE DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN NULL-SEC ... so stop bloody trying to change Low-Sec to be Null-Sec Lite.
And hell if you actually put some time and effort into improving Null-Sec itself, the core mechanics that frankly encourage blob warfare and boring as hell structure grinding; then you might find people will want to actually be involved there a bit more rather than this stupid kick of trying to encourage players there through changing areas of the game we DO like. Don't get me wrong there are things that would be good to see changed with Low-Sec, but something like this... not even remotely close to one of them. |
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