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Edenn
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Posted - 2006.08.05 20:33:00 -
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I wonder why all races are the same. I mean no different bonuses, special skills or something like that. Present difference is nothing or maybe I don't see it, but most of people choose race because of getting faster way to sit on ship they like. Well I would like to see some difference in races. You can ride any ship, you can get any standing, you have anything like another race except look and name of it. Isn't it better to add some difference in races?
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.08.05 20:35:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 05/08/2006 20:37:41
No. A bit too late for that now though racial advantages/themes might be visible when Kali comes, I guess.
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Adoro
Caldari Reunited
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Posted - 2006.08.05 20:43:00 -
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Attributes...they often are diffrent each race. --------- I love escrow :) |
HippoKing
Caldari The I-Win Button
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Posted - 2006.08.05 20:43:00 -
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People choose their first character's race on the descriptions and stuff. Later character's races on attributes.
Adding difference in races is far too late now, someone suggests this every now and again, but there are people with 10s of millions of SP who would get bent over and arseraped by a change like this. My alt, for example, is caldari by birth, but fully minmatar specialised. He can't even fly a kestrel.
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Edenn
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Posted - 2006.08.05 20:43:00 -
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It's just boring to see everything the same in this game.
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Edenn
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Posted - 2006.08.05 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Adoro Attributes...they often are diffrent each race.
Heh, yeah. Since they only effect on skill training... therefore it makes no difference anyway :)
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HippoKing
Caldari The I-Win Button
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Posted - 2006.08.05 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Edenn
Originally by: Adoro Attributes...they often are diffrent each race.
Heh, yeah. Since they only effect on skill training... therefore it makes no difference anyway :)
Hell of a difference. Try telling a combat oriented intaki there is no difference
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.05 20:48:00 -
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You should have seen some of the cool ideas in beta - especially the phobias!
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Anwyl
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.05 20:48:00 -
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I know the RL comparison isn't great, but think of it this way, all the races are humans a little way down the line, there's not exactly enough time for all these races to become appreciably different, the only difference would be, say, a predisposition towards certain skills...
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.08.05 20:48:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 05/08/2006 20:48:08
Though CCP could have different resistances for shields and armours for different racial ships. Current resistances are one size fits all. ---------------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness.
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HippoKing
Caldari The I-Win Button
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Posted - 2006.08.05 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Avon You should have seen some of the cool ideas in beta - especially the phobias!
I saw those in the database. I especially liked the one about exploding if you were in a raw capsule too long
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.08.05 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Avon You should have seen some of the cool ideas in beta - especially the phobias!
Phobias? Explain pls. ---------------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness.
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Edenn
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Posted - 2006.08.05 20:53:00 -
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Originally by: Anwyl I know the RL comparison isn't great, but think of it this way, all the races are humans a little way down the line, there's not exactly enough time for all these races to become appreciably different, the only difference would be, say, a predisposition towards certain skills...
Yep yep, in RL there are a lot of race difference like Chinese people like making kiddies or Russians have no resistance to vodka or people from Africa have better resist to heat or something like that. There are a lot of it :)
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Anwyl
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.05 20:58:00 -
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those are more cultural things, and cultural things come up more in the minor day to day RPing than in the system... Culture should be acquired not born-in IMHO
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Hllaxiu
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2006.08.05 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Edenn
Originally by: Adoro Attributes...they often are diffrent each race.
Heh, yeah. Since they only effect on skill training... therefore it makes no difference anyway :)
Hell of a difference. Try telling a combat oriented intaki there is no difference
Please don't bring that up. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson |
HippoKing
Caldari The I-Win Button
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Posted - 2006.08.05 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Hllaxiu
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Edenn
Originally by: Adoro Attributes...they often are diffrent each race.
Heh, yeah. Since they only effect on skill training... therefore it makes no difference anyway :)
Hell of a difference. Try telling a combat oriented intaki there is no difference
Please don't bring that up.
You really are charismatic and intelligent though. I <3 you
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HippoKing
Caldari The I-Win Button
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Posted - 2006.08.05 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Edenn
Originally by: Anwyl I know the RL comparison isn't great, but think of it this way, all the races are humans a little way down the line, there's not exactly enough time for all these races to become appreciably different, the only difference would be, say, a predisposition towards certain skills...
Yep yep, in RL there are a lot of race difference like Chinese people like making kiddies or Russians have no resistance to vodka or people from Africa have better resist to heat or something like that. There are a lot of it :)
lol and stuff
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.05 21:48:00 -
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Racial differences were in game for a while in Beta or Alpha. It was pulled out for good reason - people change path later in game and oh my, my character is stuck with a 10% bonus to refine while all the big boys get 5% rate of fire!
Really, it demotes RPing in an environment that doesn't have too much RP choice.
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Originally by: Avon You should have seen some of the cool ideas in beta - especially the phobias!
Phobias? Explain pls.
You bought a phobia, you got a benefit. Let me pull a few examples, I think I can find the manual somewhere...
Bleedin hells, I can't find it. I believe there was a neat list of different phobias in there, as well as some examples of benefits and racial (actually bloodline) abilities. From the top of my head, there were for example a phobia against sitting in a pod for too long, being outside a station for too long, or being inside a station for too long. Some bloodline benefits included less fee for using stargates (Amarr/Amarr) (YES, stargates were supposed to charge you per jump), projectile damage 5% (Minmatar/Brutor), and all sorts of crazy stuff. I think Intaki had some sort of bonus for negotiating with pirates, but that's probably my spooky memory. Dark skies torn apart Heavens open before me I, the light of death |
Edenn
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Posted - 2006.08.05 21:50:00 -
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Just want to see bonuses like +% on Drones damage or another for Gallente or +% Velocity to ship speed for Minmatar or something like that.
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Dixon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.05 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Edenn Just want to see bonuses like +% on Drones damage or another for Gallente or +% Velocity to ship speed for Minmatar or something like that.
Well that's kinda what the ships are for ain't it?
Vexor - 10% to drone damage,hitpoints and stuff per level Stabber - 5% to max velocity per level - - - - - - I have no strong feelings one way or the other... |
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HippoKing
Caldari The I-Win Button
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Posted - 2006.08.05 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Edenn Just want to see bonuses like +% on Drones damage or another for Gallente or +% Velocity to ship speed for Minmatar or something like that.
Maybe you do, but the people who have had characters for god knows how long may well not like the bonuses they all slapped with, and this won't fulfill anyone's eve life. It will **** plenty of people's up though.
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Ithildin
Gallente The Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.05 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Edenn Just want to see bonuses like +% on Drones damage or another for Gallente or +% Velocity to ship speed for Minmatar or something like that.
Maybe you do, but the people who have had characters for god knows how long may well not like the bonuses they all slapped with, and this won't fulfill anyone's eve life. It will **** plenty of people's up though.
PRECISELY. I *KNOW* Intaki will end up with an industrial bonus if it was ever done.
IFF it was ever implemented, it'd have to be a choice, small bonus, and not racially bound - which would essentially defeat the point. Dark skies torn apart Heavens open before me I, the light of death |
Edey
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Posted - 2006.08.05 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Dixon
Originally by: Edenn Just want to see bonuses like +% on Drones damage or another for Gallente or +% Velocity to ship speed for Minmatar or something like that.
Well that's kinda what the ships are for ain't it?
Vexor - 10% to drone damage,hitpoints and stuff per level Stabber - 5% to max velocity per level
I mean if I'm a minmatar race I have a bonus on velocity on all ships :)
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.08.05 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Edenn
Originally by: Adoro Attributes...they often are diffrent each race.
Heh, yeah. Since they only effect on skill training... therefore it makes no difference anyway :)
Hell of a difference. Try telling a combat oriented intaki there is no difference
I am a combat-oriented Intaki - well, I am nowadays, I did industry and science originally.
and there IS no difference. I can do everything anybody else can do, given time to train it. ________________________________________________
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Dixon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.05 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Edenn
Originally by: Adoro Attributes...they often are diffrent each race.
Heh, yeah. Since they only effect on skill training... therefore it makes no difference anyway :)
Hell of a difference. Try telling a combat oriented intaki there is no difference
I am a combat-oriented Intaki - well, I am nowadays, I did industry and science originally.
and there IS no difference. I can do everything anybody else can do, given time to train it.
Yeah, but compare that time to a combat-oriented Brutor - - - - - - I have no strong feelings one way or the other... |
Ysolde Xen
Minmatar Liberal Trading Co Electus Matari
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Posted - 2006.08.05 22:31:00 -
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Choosing phobias sounds entertaining, and the best part is the 'choice' bit. Other than that I'd hate to have a bonus/penalty enforced on me restricting what I can and can't be good at because I picked a particular bloodline. The Attribute difference does count, not that it makes it impossible to do anything, but just that it takes longer for a science-oriented character to get good at the combat skills etc.
Personally, the flexibility and lack of rigid pidgeonholing (and the inexorable slide towards 'classes' and all that rubbish) are one of the things I like most about EVE.
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Zaldiri
Caldari Automated Industries
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Posted - 2006.08.05 23:20:00 -
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Belive me I would highly ****ed off is I got some missile bonus becuase I caldari. I cant use anything above rockets, all my specialisation is in gallente ships and equipment (drones 4TW).
Anyway, it makes no sense, everyone in eve is human, the races have only realy been seperate for about 14,000 years max and have been using their current specialities for a lot less than that (for example the Caldari have been technologically primitive until about 1000 years ago). So the races couldn't have evolved their traits. It would be a bit like making an MMO set in the current world and giving all oriental characters +2 to gaget manufacture becuase of the Sony Walkman.
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Naim Stargazer
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Posted - 2006.08.06 05:17:00 -
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It never works out that well. Even if there were differences between them, they would really have to be minor or balancing issues start to arise. If they are too minor, then they wouldnt be worth considering. A fine line indeed.
I think the up and coming factional warefare provides a great opportunity to encourage players to choose and support a particular faction. What this will mean for the corps out in 0.0, I dont know - seemingly not much.
I too was somewhat dissapointed when the game mechanic rolled out after my character creation. I selected Caldari originally for a trial account, and now (a year or two later) I come back and am a paid account with Amarr character.
While I do not RP, my decision was made with a vague sense of RP. Ofcourse now that I know the game mechanics a lot better, I can see that you just pick whichever faction you like the look of. You then fly whichever ships you like the stats of. You live in whichever territory you have friends in.
At the moment I am sticking to Amarr ships. I am building faction with Caldari. I lightly hassle corpmates with Minmatar and Gallente jokes. Its a small way of putting some factional alignment into a game whose mechanics are largely indifferent to it.
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Ather Ialeas
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.08.06 05:56:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Edenn
Originally by: Adoro Attributes...they often are diffrent each race.
Heh, yeah. Since they only effect on skill training... therefore it makes no difference anyway :)
Hell of a difference. Try telling a combat oriented intaki there is no difference
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Originally by: Nidhoggur How could I possibly be wrong, using the figures directly from Eve?
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Rabbitgod
Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.06 06:02:00 -
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Edited by: Rabbitgod on 06/08/2006 06:02:42
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Edenn
Originally by: Adoro Attributes...they often are diffrent each race.
Heh, yeah. Since they only effect on skill training... therefore it makes no difference anyway :)
Hell of a difference. Try telling a combat oriented intaki there is no difference
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