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RubyPorto
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Posted - 2014.08.20 19:43:00 -
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Me likey CCP Birdman "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
RubyPorto
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:01:00 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:111010110 wrote:So, what about the Markee Dragon element in all of this? As Falcon said that there is no proof of RMT you can figure it out yourself.
That is, in fact, not what he said.
CCP Falcon wrote:We will not comment on whether any such violation actually occurred. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
RubyPorto
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:19:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Honestly, I've never read fifty shades of gray, but I agree. I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb.
Ice Burn.
Rroff wrote:CCP Falcon wrote: If they are still to be paid out, and are on any of the affected accounts, this is an issue you'll have to take up with SOMER Blink.
Who through your actions* can't really do anything about it. So you might as well say "your stuffed" rather than dance around the point.
Blink has tons of assets on non-banned accounts. The organization was masterful in its ability to delegate responsibility (meaning they also necessarily spread assets around). "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
RubyPorto
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Posted - 2014.08.21 00:17:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Andski wrote:don't forget passing down all the blame
that is absolutely crucial True true, credit flows up, blame flows down.
That's really where Somer went wrong. Never allow **** to flow uphill when you're anywhere near the top. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
RubyPorto
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Posted - 2014.08.22 01:59:00 -
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Slicr wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Just for those that are hard of understanding
Cash>Time Code>PLEX>isk/gametime, is allowed. Isk/PLEX/ingame Items>Cash, is not. Not allowed is not the same as not being able to do it. Your not allowed to break the law but you can
Then when you get caught, you shouldn't whine about getting punished. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
RubyPorto
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:21:00 -
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Slicr wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪexcept that you're not exchanging real-life cash for an in-game item. Yo're exchanging OOG cash for an OOG item and you're trading an in-game item for in-game cash. The bits inbetween are just you using CCP's account services. So if you want to use that as your defining feature, you have made the term meaningless since everything is RMT (incidentally, this means it fundamentally fails as a definition).
GǪand that's if you definition was even relevant to begin with, which it isn't. Could not notice how you suddenly threw retailers in the equation and avoided telling us what your definition of RMT is. The fact that from what I have read in the past from your postings - if you had a valid definition you would not hesitant to post it. Since you will not post what you think RMT is, there is no point in discussing this with you.
I'll try to clarify to help you out.
1. When you buy a PLEX, you give CCP (or their business partners) OOG money in exchange for an OOG item (a PLEX code). 2. CCP's account services allow you to exchange that OOG item for gametime, either in the form of a month subscription or an IG game time token (a PLEX). 3. You may then, should you choose a game time token, sell that IG item for IG ISK, and use that ISK for whatever you want.
Calling that RMT requires that you argue that step 2 is RMT, as that is the only step in which we see both an in game and out of game component. As that step is simply using CCP's account services, that's going to be a hard argument to make.
And the only relevant definition for RMT with regards to EVE is CCP's definition:
EULA wrote:B. Selling Items and Objects You may not transfer, sell or auction, or buy or accept any offer to transfer, sell or auction (or offer to do any of the foregoing), any content appearing within the Game environment, including without limitation characters, character attributes, items, currency, and objects, other than via a permitted Character Transfer as described in section 3 above. You may not encourage or induce any other person to participate in such a prohibited transaction. The buying, selling or auctioning (or any attempt at doing so) of characters, character attributes, items, currency, or objects, whether through online auctions, newsgroups, postings on message boards or any other means is prohibited by the EULA and a violation of CCP's proprietary rights in the Game.
TOS wrote: 10. You may not market, sell, advertise, promote, solicit or otherwise arrange for the exchange or transfer of items in the game or other game services unless it is for in-game sales of in-game services or items.
11. The advertisement or sale of out of game goods and services not directly related to EVE online is prohibited. The only out of game goods and services which can be advertised or sold are the following: EVE forum signature creation, website and third party voice communication server hosting or EVE Time Codes.
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
RubyPorto
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Posted - 2014.08.22 04:01:00 -
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Slicr wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Slicr wrote:Everyone is entitled to their opinions. You're not entitled to your own facts. RMT is the exchange of real life currency or assets (with the exception of certain services directly related to EVE) for in-game currency or assets. Never said I was. Fact - you can buy Plex with real money Fact - you can buy most things in game with Plex via the contract system or trade Fact - you can give your buddy gaming with you real money to get him to give you a plex or any other tradable item in game. The fact that it is deemed illegal by CCP does not change the FACT that it can be done.
Number 3 there is RMT.
What's your point? "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
RubyPorto
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Posted - 2014.08.22 04:24:00 -
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Andski wrote:you don't seem to know what a false flag is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag
Maybe CCP Falcon is Somerset Mahm "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
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