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Bordric
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:21:00 -
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If you exploit a bug in most MMORPG they will ban you. It is almost always in the rules. So you really can not say they are at fault for the bug because everyone knows it is wrong to make free money from a bug. Just report it.
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Bayroo
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:22:00 -
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Well if they are looking into this further, they should at least let people know.
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Alaria
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Baldour Ngarr
Originally by: Bayroo He went a few million in the RED, not billions, He has billions in his account from hard work, mining and npcing. He bought the bpc for a corp m8. Hardly scam of the year.
And anyways, lets look at it this way, if the bug wasnt there in the first place, it would have never happend. So when CCP mess up and we gain from it, do we all get banned???
Until they can sort out who was taking advantage deliberately and who was just caught up in it, then yes, we do, and we SHOULD.
you mean, I am gona stay banned for the weeks they need to investigate? huh, again, nice way treeting paying customers ccp
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Bayroo
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:24:00 -
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Well CCP made there mind up without even giving the player a chance to at least defend his actions. Jesus what is this, the middle ages???
GOOD NIGHT!
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Portrait Swap
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:27:00 -
[65]
You dont pay while banned so hush.. eve is a privledge not a right.
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Plutoinum
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:29:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 20/07/2006 23:32:28
Originally by: Alaria
Today I used the escrow system to buy a damn gedon bpc and miscalculated the amount needed and gone - in my damn wallet.
After i c that i am on - on my alts wallet, I instant wired money from my main to the alts wallet. I dont even thought, know that somthing like that could happen, I just bought to many things at once and i just miscalculated the amount needed and how much I had in my alts wallet.
Omg, that's evil, if it's true. Guess it could have happened also to me, if I had been on a shopping tour at that time, since I often just click 'buy' without checking my wallet first and don't calculate exactly, how much I can afford. Though it usually happens to me with the market, e.g. I just try to buy 10 units of something and if it fails, it fails. No big deal, then I either buy less or log to an alt to transfer some money. Normal. So if you aren't guilty, I hope that the support solves it for you.
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mrg29
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:30:00 -
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the issue here is that there are alot of transactions that need to be checked out from the accounts and characters involved.
if ccp did not freeze the accounts to stop people "laundering" the isk and/or items involved asap then being able to identify the people who made an honest mistake from those that went "yeehah free stuff" gets very complicated.
i agree with maya though that from a PR perspective that telling the person their account has been frozen to check for possible exploits rather than an immediate "you are banned" would probably have been a better way to handle it. -
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Alaria
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Portrait Swap You dont pay while banned so hush.. eve is a privledge not a right.
my accs are payed for months, thats not the problem. the problem is how they decide to solve the issue they created, bcs its not a 3rd party program or anything else.
It was a damn bug they created.
And accusing some1 as exploiter, w/o letting him prooving that he is inocent its not normal and right.
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Lufio II
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: Alaria
Originally by: Bordric Well they did not ban you for moving 10 million isk. Haha.
yes but can u think that they COULD banned me about that? If so what should I do? Just think that I maybe telling the damn truth. How you have reacted in my situation?
Well, first thing I'd look up in such a situation is how they deal with bans and how to rectify it *before* coming onto the boards and whine about it. Actually there's a way to get in Contact with them, as described here. You can appeal if you feel that you have been banned unrightously. They will look into it a bit closer and listen to your point of view. If your case is as you describe it they will most likely unban you.
However, I personally wouldn't treat those wholesale ban as bad customer service, on the contrary. It was a security measure, and a few bans can be fixed more easily than billions over billions of ISK that shouldn't be there in the first place. You could say it's collateral damage, nothing that couldn't be fixed when the main issue has been fixed.
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fairimear
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:36:00 -
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even if he was exploiting it, IT IS STILL CCP'S FAULT. that is the begining and end of it andno one should have a acount banned for a bug put into the game by ccp, who by the way we pay and who in turn pay a quality control team that should have picked this up.
there is even ways they could have used software to QA the clients basic funtction sa***uards that would have prevented it.
It comes down to the fact if it was deliberate or mistaken exploitation he should have only had the gains confiscatedor a apropriate amount confiscated or in the case of having neither funds or the item availible his wallet should have incured a -isk penalty to the amount.
this to be followed by a warning via ingame and out game e-mails.
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Bordric
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:37:00 -
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Consider yourself arrested and in jail until trial.
If you did not end up with billion isk or hundreds of millions or a bunch of free items I am sure you will be released. If you have 50 bpc's or bunch of free stuff you may never be allowed back in.
No one one knows...
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Weirda
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Alaria Edited by: Alaria on 20/07/2006 22:42:43
Originally by: Shoopy just petition.
i ve petioned allready. the problem is not if I get my accs back (bcs I know I didnt anything wrong and I ll get them back).
The problem is how ccp is treeting paying customers. They should first check, then ban or accuse ppl of exploiting
right or wrong - starting threads like this certainly doesn't make you look any better...
sorry for you loss and all, but honestly if you think that they are going to work to rectify the situation, why would you come here and whine about them? they are just trying to protect the game ffs...
should they have slipped the bug though? hell no. if it isn't your fault and you weren't trying to 'sploit, you have nothing to worry about, unless you start breaking other forms of EULA (like hmmmmmm.... discussing moderation for example) instead of acting like mature adult.
again - not judging what happened to you, but starting this thread was just plain stupid on your part. __ Weirda Join QOTSA Now |
Bordric
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: fairimear even if he was exploiting it, IT IS STILL CCP'S FAULT. that is the begining and end of it andno one should have a acount banned for a bug put into the game by ccp, who by the way we pay and who in turn pay a quality control team that should have picked this up.
Nonsense. If you are exploiting bugs almost any online game company will ban you. Don't cheat and exploit a game fault. Is not a difficult rule to follow.
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Kel Shek
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:42:00 -
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it sounds like my intuition on what the exploit was, was about dead on...
I'm curious exactly what happened, but I get the feeling that'd be explaining explicitly what the exploit was, and that ccp wouldn't like that.
most exploitative things you can't do accidentally.
robbing a bank because you know the police can't catch up to you (for whatever reason) doesn't mean its not against the law to rob a bank.
the fact that the devs messed up and made a bug, does not make an obviously illegitimate action not the perpetrator's fault for doing it.
if you *TRULY* are innocent, and it was not a major amount, I think you have a chance of convincing them.
but with that sorta thing I'm pretty sure the longer such accounts are functioning freely, the harder it is for them to clean up the mess. so locking down any accounts that have a trace of being connected to using the exploit, even if it truly was accidental, makes sense.
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Shoopy
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:42:00 -
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Look on the brightside, now the community knows what the expliot was
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Alaria
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Weirda
Originally by: Alaria Edited by: Alaria on 20/07/2006 22:42:43
Originally by: Shoopy just petition.
i ve petioned allready. the problem is not if I get my accs back (bcs I know I didnt anything wrong and I ll get them back).
The problem is how ccp is treeting paying customers. They should first check, then ban or accuse ppl of exploiting
right or wrong - starting threads like this certainly doesn't make you look any better...
sorry for you loss and all, but honestly if you think that they are going to work to rectify the situation, why would you come here and whine about them? they are just trying to protect the game ffs...
should they have slipped the bug though? hell no. if it isn't your fault and you weren't trying to 'sploit, you have nothing to worry about, unless you start breaking other forms of EULA (like hmmmmmm.... discussing moderation for example) instead of acting like mature adult.
again - not judging what happened to you, but starting this thread was just plain stupid on your part.
well again I express here my feeling about how ccp is treeting their paying customers. You know forums are about the quality of service too, not only about how uber caldari are and how much nighthawk need fixing
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Alaria
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Bordric
Originally by: fairimear even if he was exploiting it, IT IS STILL CCP'S FAULT. that is the begining and end of it andno one should have a acount banned for a bug put into the game by ccp, who by the way we pay and who in turn pay a quality control team that should have picked this up.
Nonsense. If you are exploiting bugs almost any online game company will ban you. Don't cheat and exploit a game fault. Is not a difficult rule to follow.
The problem is that wasnt possible till today. You ve got a damn msg you know? And again I didnt anything wrong and I am treeted like an exploiter and thief. Thats the general view of the most of the posters here and that makes me feel bad.
And again the original post is not about me getting banned, but about the quality of service ccp provides and about how ccp is treeting paying customers
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Bordric
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:48:00 -
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Did they warn this morning about the exploit? Have you been warned in the past?
Because according to the EULA:
1. EXPLOITS
An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if:
a. Investigation shows that a player has employed the use of an exploit tactic despite a public announcement being made to alert players they will be banned for using it. b. A player who has been previously warned for exploiting and continues to exploit, whether using the same exploit or another. c. An account holder guilty of employing ôdupingö exploits. Players found to have received the benefits of this exploit may also face reprimand, from removal of the items in question up to, and including, banning of their accounts.
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Alaria
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: Bordric Did they warn this morning about the exploit? Have you been warned in the past?
Because according to the EULA:
1. EXPLOITS
An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if:
a. Investigation shows that a player has employed the use of an exploit tactic despite a public announcement being made to alert players they will be banned for using it. b. A player who has been previously warned for exploiting and continues to exploit, whether using the same exploit or another. c. An account holder guilty of employing ôdupingö exploits. Players found to have received the benefits of this exploit may also face reprimand, from removal of the items in question up to, and including, banning of their accounts.
no I didnt c any warnings and no no1 of my accs is banned or warned ever b4
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Max Teranous
Shinra Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:51:00 -
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I'd say "Can i have your stuff", but I think CCP has already nabbed it
Seriously for a sec, file a petition. That will help, posting here will not.
Max
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Shoopy
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: Alaria
Originally by: Bordric Did they warn this morning about the exploit? Have you been warned in the past?
Because according to the EULA:
1. EXPLOITS
An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if:
a. Investigation shows that a player has employed the use of an exploit tactic despite a public announcement being made to alert players they will be banned for using it. b. A player who has been previously warned for exploiting and continues to exploit, whether using the same exploit or another. c. An account holder guilty of employing ôdupingö exploits. Players found to have received the benefits of this exploit may also face reprimand, from removal of the items in question up to, and including, banning of their accounts.
no I didnt c any warnings and no no1 of my accs is banned or warned ever b4
i think option "c" applies to you here..."Players found to have received the benefits of this exploit may also face reprimand, from removal of the items in question up to, and including, banning of their accounts"
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Alaria
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Shoopy
Originally by: Alaria
Originally by: Bordric Did they warn this morning about the exploit? Have you been warned in the past?
Because according to the EULA:
1. EXPLOITS
An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if:
a. Investigation shows that a player has employed the use of an exploit tactic despite a public announcement being made to alert players they will be banned for using it. b. A player who has been previously warned for exploiting and continues to exploit, whether using the same exploit or another. c. An account holder guilty of employing ôdupingö exploits. Players found to have received the benefits of this exploit may also face reprimand, from removal of the items in question up to, and including, banning of their accounts.
no I didnt c any warnings and no no1 of my accs is banned or warned ever b4
i think option "c" applies to you here..."Players found to have received the benefits of this exploit may also face reprimand, from removal of the items in question up to, and including, banning of their accounts"
yes I recived the benefits of about 5m isk. But again thats not the point of the OP
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Staranc
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Bayroo but its kinda getting a little trigger happy with the bans recently pffft
Tbh, CCP are dealing with all petitions that are filed about bans, and they aren't trigger happy as they have unbanned people... Have the evidence to help your case your good, you moan and don't have any evidence then your f*ck*d
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Shoopy
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Alaria
Originally by: Shoopy
Originally by: Alaria
Originally by: Bordric Did they warn this morning about the exploit? Have you been warned in the past?
Because according to the EULA:
1. EXPLOITS
An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if:
a. Investigation shows that a player has employed the use of an exploit tactic despite a public announcement being made to alert players they will be banned for using it. b. A player who has been previously warned for exploiting and continues to exploit, whether using the same exploit or another. c. An account holder guilty of employing ôdupingö exploits. Players found to have received the benefits of this exploit may also face reprimand, from removal of the items in question up to, and including, banning of their accounts.
no I didnt c any warnings and no no1 of my accs is banned or warned ever b4
i think option "c" applies to you here..."Players found to have received the benefits of this exploit may also face reprimand, from removal of the items in question up to, and including, banning of their accounts"
yes I recived the benefits of about 5m isk. But again thats not the point of the OP
its frustrating i know m8. But look at my point of view... Bug was accidentaly introduced by the devs resulted in an exploit where certain individuals gotten free ISK. Which will have massive affects on the rest of the eve community.
The first thing i expected them to do was to take down TQ and fix the exploit (which they did). While at the same time ôpreventö the spread of this free ISK by banning all accounts that gotten this ôfree iskö regardless of how much ISK you got.
Than go back and look at each record carefully to see who deserve to be ban and who were innocent in this sorry ass affairs.
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Weirda
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.21 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: fairimear even if he was exploiting it, IT IS STILL CCP'S FAULT.
fairimear - weirda respect you - but that is horribly flawed logic. not going to bring rl example in here (as too many have) - but they make the rules... and the laws here. by your definition EVERY SINGLE EXPLOIT THERE EVER WAS IN ANY GAME is the fault of the developer... and therefore should be allowed?
sorry - ridiculuous. __ Weirda Join QOTSA Now |
Weirda
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.21 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Bayroo Well if they are looking into this further, they should at least let people know.
and maybe they will - but it is not their policy to discuss moderation - that is why attempting to discuss it in forum is both against the EULA, fruitless, and stupid.
how this is not clear to everyone is completely beyond this stupid minnie... __ Weirda Join QOTSA Now |
Weirda
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.21 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Alaria
Originally by: Weirda lot of stuff.
well again I express here my feeling about how ccp is treeting their paying customers. You know forums are about the quality of service too, not only about how uber caldari are and how much nighthawk need fixing
no - it is discussing moderation - which is against the EULA. and if this is completely unclear to you am beginning to wonder if you really WERE at fault, as you clearly have no concept of right from wrong... __ Weirda Join QOTSA Now |
Avon
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.21 00:18:00 -
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CCP's only real option was to ban every suspected account in order to be able to investigate before the trail is made hard to follow. It sucks for those who made a legitimate mistake (which I am sure they told CCP about right away - being the good people they are, rather than dirty exploiters), however if 1 exploiter escaped punishment because accounts were not frozen, that would be worse.
Moaning here about how unfair CCP are is pointless.
They did what they had to, popular or not.
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Rafein
Eye of God Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.07.21 00:20:00 -
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Edited by: Rafein on 21/07/2006 00:20:49 Eh, as an Ex-Asheron's Call player, where the moto was Exploit Early, Exploit often, I'm glad to see Eve take a more proactive stance on exploiting of Bugs. Turbine's stance was, if you found a bug and exploited it, we'll fix it, but good for you. And it ended up creating a systems of Have vs. Havenots, be exploiting.
Granted, in your case, you get screwed over for a while, but you should be back soon. And if you only went 5 mil under, and got banned, it would seem CCP caught most people.
Personally, for the good of the game, I'm glad they banned all accounts that even went a little into the red, as they are showing they don;t want to give any one player and advantage over another using abnormal game conditions. Better than saying "it's our fault, you can keep your free isk. Oh, and keep an eye out for the next exploit to take advantage of"
Right now, your ****ed, and rightlyfully so. But long term, for the integrity of the game going forward, CCP made the right move.
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Alaria
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Posted - 2006.07.21 00:23:00 -
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Edited by: Alaria on 21/07/2006 00:24:53
Originally by: Avon CCP's only real option was to ban every suspected account in order to be able to investigate before the trail is made hard to follow. It sucks for those who made a legitimate mistake (which I am sure they told CCP about right away - being the good people they are, rather than dirty exploiters), however if 1 exploiter escaped punishment because accounts were not frozen, that would be worse.
Moaning here about how unfair CCP are is pointless.
They did what they had to, popular or not.
I calmed down a bit after 3h. But come in my position, trying to login and c ur account permabanned w/o any explenation. A more friendly msg, like suspended with a reason given should be more customer friendly.
They could explain me the reason why they ve done it and everithing would be ok.
Again the topic is about how ccp is treeting their costumers not about if I was exploiting or not
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