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Andrea Keuvo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.07.24 12:05:00 -
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From the Kronos dev blog:
"Finally, we are renaming two drone skills to clarify their roles. The Scout Drone Operation skill is being renamed GÇ£Drone Avionics""
When Kronos was deployed I had Scout Drone Operation to 5 and received Drone Avionics 5.
Today I see I only have Drone Avionics 3, and I see this BS in the patch notes:
"In the Kronos release the required skill for Drone Link Augmenters was changed from Combat Drone Operation to Drone Avionics. This was done without ensuring that players who fulfilled the skill requirements of those modules would still do so after the change. In this patch we are bumping up the level of Drone Avionics for all players to the same level that they had Combat Drone Operation when we deployed Kronos. Players who have trained Drone Avionics in the meantime will be given unallocated skillpoints instead up to the amount that their skill would have been adjusted."
WTF is this crap? You convert Skill A to Skill B and then come along weeks later and reduce my level in it because it allowed the use of some module? Where was this announced? How does this make any sense at all. This unannounced skill change you made goes 100% against a published dev blog. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2245
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Posted - 2014.07.24 12:07:00 -
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Don't blame CCP for your skill reduction.
You don't appear to have much to begin with.
Necro topic for the win. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6398
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Posted - 2014.07.24 12:09:00 -
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Writing replies is hard
I goofed
Nm
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Andrea Keuvo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
265
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Posted - 2014.07.24 12:18:00 -
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I know how to read, I'm saying the premise is crap. CCP says "we are changing the name of Skill A to Skill B". It makes sense that I should get skill B at the same level I had skill A at no? Why should I lose 2 levels of a skill I already trained because they decided to attach some module's prereqs to that skill?
To make that worse it was done without any mention in advance. If they just say they are doing this I could at least train it. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23281
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Posted - 2014.07.24 12:19:00 -
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Have you tried the usual things?
You know, clearing your cache, checking the actual value in-game, petitions? Those things that can actually provide some kind of answer or solution, unlike the forumsGǪ
Oh, andGǪQuote:Why should I lose 2 levels of a skill I already trained because they decided to attach some module's prereqs to that skill? GǪthis is not what happened. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Andrea Keuvo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
265
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Posted - 2014.07.24 12:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Have you tried the usual things?
You know, clearing your cache, checking the actual value in-game, petitions? Those things that can actually provide some kind of answer or solution, unlike the forumsGǪ
Did you read my original post at all? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23281
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Posted - 2014.07.24 12:22:00 -
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Andrea Keuvo wrote:Did you read my original post at all? Yes, that's why I'm asking you those questions. So did you do any of that? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
2247
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Posted - 2014.07.24 12:24:00 -
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Andrea Keuvo wrote:Did you read my original post at all? Um...seriously, did you?
Your response to Tippia bears no resembalnce to your OP.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Andrea Keuvo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
265
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Posted - 2014.07.24 12:27:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Andrea Keuvo wrote:Did you read my original post at all? Yes, that's why I'm asking you those questions. So did you do any of that?
How is clearing my cache going to affect CCP reducing a skill by 2 levels because they decide weeks after Kronos to make an unannounced change that directly conflicts what was published in the Kronos dev blog about drone skill changes? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23281
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Posted - 2014.07.24 12:34:00 -
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Andrea Keuvo wrote:How is clearing my cache going to affect CCP reducing a skill by 2 levels because they decide weeks after Kronos to make an unannounced change that directly conflicts what was published in the Kronos dev blog about drone skill changes? Largely because they didn't actually do any such change, and the rest is just to ensure that you're actually seeing the correct numbers. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
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Rubishod
Hyperspace Fusiliers
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Posted - 2014.07.24 12:35:00 -
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Because since no one is coming to your defense it may be a local problem. |
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1265
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Posted - 2014.07.24 12:41:00 -
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Confirming I've lost Drone Avionics 5 on 3 characters.
Anyone who had Scout Drone Operation 5 and Combat Drone Operation 4 would have been given Drone Avionics 5 for Kronos, then had it reduced to 4 during this patch. |
Avena Feint
Industrial Chilled Experimentation
2
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Posted - 2014.07.24 12:48:00 -
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Also lost Drone Avionics V on multiple characters. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
34
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Posted - 2014.07.24 12:52:00 -
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in game or at evemon? because i actually panicked when i saw my drone avionics skill at level 2 in evemon and immediately logged in to check, in-game it still level 5, so no problem! :) Just Add Water |
Andrea Keuvo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
266
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Posted - 2014.07.24 12:52:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Andrea Keuvo wrote:How is clearing my cache going to affect CCP reducing a skill by 2 levels because they decide weeks after Kronos to make an unannounced change that directly conflicts what was published in the Kronos dev blog about drone skill changes? Largely because they didn't actually do any such change, and the rest is just to ensure that you're actually seeing the correct numbers. There's a reason why GÇ£clear you cacheGÇ¥ is step #1 on pretty much all problem-solving lists related to EVE.
Of course they made this change, it is spelled out right there in the patch notes. My problem with the change is that it was completely unannounced and it is completely contrary to a published dev blog.
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Galdor Amandilis
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2014.07.24 12:57:00 -
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I had Scout Drone Operation V and Combat Drone Operation IV before Kronos and got Drone Avionics V with Kronos. Today it got reduced to level IV. Happened on both my characters and got no unallocated SP |
Alt Two
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
129
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Posted - 2014.07.24 12:59:00 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:in game or at evemon? because i actually panicked when i saw my drone avionics skill at level 2 in evemon and immediately logged in to check, in-game it still level 5, so no problem! :) Clear your cache and you will probably see that it has dropped down in game as well. Pre-kronos I had scout drones 5 and combat drones 4 on my main. Yesterday I had drone avionics 5. Today I have it at 4. Skill log says "GM Skill Gift" level 4. Some gift huh..
TL;DR.. They changed drone avionics to whatever level we had combat drones at pre-kronos. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23281
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Posted - 2014.07.24 13:01:00 -
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Andrea Keuvo wrote:Of course they made this change, it is spelled out right there in the patch notes. No, it's not.
What's spelled out in the patch notes is that in addition to the LDO and MDO skill levels that you gained from your old CDO level in Kronos, you will now also gain the same DAv level. Nothing there contradicts what they did for Kronos, and nothing in it involves a reduction of any skill levels GÇö only an increase.
Quote:My problem with the change is that it was completely unannounced and it is completely contrary to a published dev blog. It's not completely contrary to anything, and it was unannounced because there wasn't really anything to announce: no-one could back and change their training schedule to take advantage of this added bonus.
You're attributing an intended skill reduction that what looks far more like an unintended scripting error: they've taken your old CDO level and just applied it to DAv irrespective of your current level and of what other skills you had that might have influenced that level. This could be as simple (and silly) an error as putting the Gǣset value toGǪGǥ statement one line too high or low in the script.
And again, have you actually checked this in-game? Have you checked whether you have any unallocated SP? Have you cleared the cache? Have you petitioned it? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Andrea Keuvo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
266
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Posted - 2014.07.24 13:03:00 -
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Tippia wrote:
And again, have you actually checked this in-game? Have you checked whether you have any unallocated SP? Have you cleared the cache? Have you petitioned it?
Yes, all of the above, and no, no unallocated SP |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
581
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Posted - 2014.07.24 13:04:00 -
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I still have drone avionics 5.
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Naburi NasNaburi
A Little Peculiar borealis
226
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Posted - 2014.07.24 13:05:00 -
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Hmm odd i hear alot of people in the help channel complain today...
Seems like many people *lost* skills from 4 to 3.. or 3 to 2.. strangely no one has any extra SP.
hmm |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23281
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Posted - 2014.07.24 13:05:00 -
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Andrea Keuvo wrote:Tippia wrote:
And again, have you actually checked this in-game? Have you checked whether you have any unallocated SP? Have you cleared the cache? Have you petitioned it?
Yes, all of the above, and no, no unallocated SP Then we wait, and maybe tomorrow they'll run a bug-fixed script that gives you the level you're supposed to have.
Naburi NasNaburi wrote:Hmm odd i hear alot of people in the help channel complain today...
Seems like many people *lost* skills from 4 to 3.. or 3 to 2.. strange Not all that strange. Chances are that a lot of people did the standard trick in preparation for Kronos: stop all training of CDO and push SDO as high as possible to get the most SP for the least amount of training. This should have left a lot of people with much lower CDO levels than SDO levels on patch day.
Now, the script has most likely (and very na+»vely) just checked your old CDO level and whether or not you've trained DAv at all since then. If you haven't, DAv has been set to your old CDO value, and they've forgotten to check (or accidentally coded out) the part where they account for the fact that you can have higher DAv without having trained it in the meantime. The fallback case of GÇ£lower CDO, higher DAv, but haven't actually trained DAv, so do nothingGÇ¥ has probably gone missing or malformed or incorrectly terminated, so lots of the wrong people end up in the GÇ£DAv = CDO, no refundGÇ¥ category.
In fact, I'm most likely in the affected group as wellGǪ of sortsGǪ but since I had CDO V and SDO V, I've ended up with DAv V regardless of how it's been calculated. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Andrea Keuvo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
266
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Posted - 2014.07.24 13:07:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Andrea Keuvo wrote:Tippia wrote:
And again, have you actually checked this in-game? Have you checked whether you have any unallocated SP? Have you cleared the cache? Have you petitioned it?
Yes, all of the above, and no, no unallocated SP Then we wait, and maybe tomorrow they'll run a bug-fixed script that gives you the level you're supposed to have.
I seriously don't understand how they run a script like this against the production database skill tables without some sort of testing. I would be fired from my job if I did things like this.
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Majuan Shuo
Silver Guardians
56
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Posted - 2014.07.24 13:10:00 -
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I also lost Drone Avionics 5 :( Others take you. |
Faenir Antollare
University of Caille Gallente Federation
301
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Posted - 2014.07.24 13:11:00 -
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Just wanna say that some of my drone skills have reduced in level also, would not have noticed for a while yet on my alts as it was only from reading this thread that I thought to check.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6399
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Posted - 2014.07.24 13:13:00 -
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Andrea Keuvo wrote: I would be fired from my job if I did things like this.
Funny, I do stuff like this all the time and they STILL let me in the hospital "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Medalyn Isis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
294
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Posted - 2014.07.24 13:14:00 -
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Completely missed this change. But very true, a lot of my characters have had drone avionics reduced to III. They had scout drone operation before the patch to V, although did not have combat drones operation to V. The characters which did have CDO to V still have Drone avionics to V.
I have got to say, this entire drone skill transition has been a complete shambles from day one. I've been following the amount of u turns which CCP Fozzie and Rise have done since the beginning. Not impressive at all.
Now this means that players who had their drone control range at +25km before the kronos release, have now had it taken away and reduced to 15km. What a complete and utter shambles. |
Keloric en Chalune
Quantum Reality R n D Spaceship Samurai
0
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Posted - 2014.07.24 13:14:00 -
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I also lost Drone Avionics 5. My total SP has dropped and I do not have a point balance to spend. This was verified in game. |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2014.07.24 13:18:00 -
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My DA is still at 5. Hasn't changed for me. |
Andrea Keuvo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
266
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Posted - 2014.07.24 13:20:00 -
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I decided to log on to my other 3 chars. All chars had CDO 3 or 4 (can't remember) before the patch, but none had 5. Right now, 2 characters show the GM Skill Gift lvl 3 but still have Drone Avionics 5, and 2 characters show the GM Skill Gift lvl 3 and have Drone Avionics 3.
So the script not only was derped, but didn't derp equally on all accounts. |
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