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Rift Scorn
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Posted - 2006.06.18 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: Rift Scorn on 18/06/2006 14:24:26 Sarmual! That was a brilliant post! Kudos man
I've started a Khanid alt and the little and hidden RPer in me was going to pretty much go with Khanid ships only. I've always liked the dual weapons thing a combo of turrets and siles, and what you've just said in that mammoth post pretty much sums up what a lot of people are hoping will happen to Khanid ships.
You didn't mention the CPU/PG issues, but tbh that will be adjusted/compensated if changes that you've said are implemented. You said about the vengeance getting 'tankier', i think thats the only thing i have a slight issue with. I thought one assault ship was meant to become more of a heavy tackler, somthing akin to a ceptor on steroids than a 'tank'. So, the Jaguar for minnie, the Vengeance for Amarr, etc, etc. Correct me if i'm wrong, i can't for the life of me find the blog and i do drink a lot.
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Double TaP
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Posted - 2006.06.18 14:39:00 -
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I didnt read through the whole thread, just the OP, but I'd like to say that it would be nice to see more hybrid ships about. I've trained pure Caldari and have insane missile skills, and now I might be able to try other ships out. Now not only can I wait to try my new hawk, I can't wait to try the phoon! Would be nice to train amarr cruiser V and be okay in a sacrilige as well.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.18 16:11:00 -
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Originally by: Wizie Sarm, get a life m8.
I did, and just realised, it blows.
Anyhow, good post. Khanid fix is badly needed.
Thank you :)
As for getting a life, I'm currently trying to get rid of mine so I have some more time to play :(
Originally by: Rift Scorn You said about the vengeance getting 'tankier', i think thats the only thing i have a slight issue with. I thought one assault ship was meant to become more of a heavy tackler, somthing akin to a ceptor on steroids than a 'tank'. So, the Jaguar for minnie, the Vengeance for Amarr, etc, etc. Correct me if i'm wrong, i can't for the life of me find the blog and i do drink a lot.
To be honest, I think it's painfully clear that the role of proper tackling should be left to interceptors and their t1 counterparts, while assault ships should concentrate on tanking and anti-ceptor work. The longer these ships can survive the longer they can do their role. The Jaguar can tackle, the Ishkur can almost tackle, and the rest are generally pretty poor at it compared to ceptors or those 2 assault frigs.
As for the blog, IIRC Assault Ships were introduced before I started playing so I have no idea either :)
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Sniser
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Posted - 2006.06.18 16:28:00 -
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Heretic should get some love too
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.18 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Sniser Heretic should get some love too
I'm sorry I didn't look at every god-damned Amarr ship to see which ones where made by Khanid.
Seeing as gallente hate their split weapon abomination, turn the Heretic into a missile spamming armour tanker and give the Eris oddles of turrets and turret-related bonuses.
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Tiuwaz
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Posted - 2006.06.18 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Sniser Heretic should get some love too
i think Heretics if fine tbh, versatile slot layout and only 1 less launcher hardpoint than its caldari counterpart
you could argue tho that it should get the same amount of launcher hardpoints than caldari (+1), as em missile dmg overall is worse than kinetic dmg
but its doing its job as interdictor fine
Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
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Sniser
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Posted - 2006.06.18 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: Sniser on 18/06/2006 16:44:11
Originally by: Tiuwaz
Originally by: Sniser Heretic should get some love too
i think Heretics if fine tbh, versatile slot layout and only 1 less launcher hardpoint than its caldari counterpart
you could argue tho that it should get the same amount of launcher hardpoints than caldari (+1), as em missile dmg overall is worse than kinetic dmg
but its doing its job as interdictor fine
if you use more missile than turret why do you want the tracking also the cap reduction? it would be much better rocket velocity or light precision like caldari ship
i vote for armor resist and light precision missile or armor resist and rocket velocity
yes gallente one sucks too :S
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CardboardSword42
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Posted - 2006.06.18 17:45:00 -
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Fantastic ideas, would be a nice change of pace from flying caldari ships
I'm Ex-Biomass, that makes me cool But now I'm KOS and it's all about the manlove
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Dash Ripcock
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Posted - 2006.06.18 23:00:00 -
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Pretty much summed it up Sarmaul.
Khanid ships have the hackneyed expression, "Jack of all trades master of none" written all over their shiny black asses. A little pinch of this, a little bit of that; before long you have an over-egged slop on your hand. Everyone knows that specialisation is king in EVE. Khanid ships simply don't work because they don't offer enough advantages in specific fields to make them a worthy choice over their laser 'n' armour obsessed counter-parts.
A cap-efficient armour tanking missile spitter would be something vastly different from the norm, incredibly difficult to kill in certain situations but also a lot of fun to fly. It would also require less skill training and would complement the existing line of Amarr ships well.
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Agama
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Posted - 2006.06.19 03:22:00 -
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Great suggestions Sarmaul.
The Khanid ships would be great to be basically armour tanked missle boats. And it gives the Caldari pilots something else to cross over into (if they wanted).
As it stands the current Khanid ships are largely crap.
HUZZAH for Sarmaul
TUX-> Please read this.....and make it happen. You know you want to.
'Death solves all problems- no man, no problem' J.V. Stalin, 1918
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.19 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Agama TUX-> Please read this.....and make it happen. You know you want to.
yes come on tux, make yourself happy in the pants like we all want you yo be \o/
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Jon Xylur
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Posted - 2006.06.19 09:04:00 -
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They should allso boost those horrible, horrible Roden ships like the Ares if they boosted Khanid. Eighter more ships like Enyo or full missile baots! Down with split-weaponed abominations! Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, and not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes |
Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.19 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jon Xylur They should allso boost those horrible, horrible Roden ships like the Ares if they boosted Khanid. Eighter more ships like Enyo or full missile baots! Down with split-weaponed abominations!
quit derailing my thread
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Dano Sarum
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Posted - 2006.06.19 11:24:00 -
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I dont get why Khanid should have the BEST armor tank ingame, that should be purely for True Amarriam ships. Give em ok ISH shields too, so gimp them a bit. Really they dont need to excell at everything, they're hybrids.
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Stamm
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Posted - 2006.06.19 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Dano Sarum I dont get why Khanid should have the BEST armor tank ingame, that should be purely for True Amarriam ships. Give em ok ISH shields too, so gimp them a bit. Really they dont need to excell at everything, they're hybrids.
So you're saying, that for no reason these ships shouldn't be the best armour tanks in the game, and that they should suck, because, erm, you want them gimped.
Ok, you've convinced me there...
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Aramendel
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Posted - 2006.06.19 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Dano Sarum ..Really they dont need to excell at everything, they're hybrids.
Aka they SHOULD be useless? King in EVE is specialisation, a ship which does not excell in *anything* is not used. Being a hybrid is no advantage in EVE, to the contrary.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.19 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Dano Sarum they're hybrids.
In this game, if your ship doesn't excel at something it's generally useless. Khanid is definatly not the exception.
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Testy Mctest
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Posted - 2006.06.19 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Testy Mctest on 19/06/2006 14:35:55
Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Dano Sarum they're hybrids.
In this game, if your ship doesn't excel at something it's generally useless. Khanid is definatly not the exception.
QFT:The Typhoon.
btw, read my sig, kthx.
Sarmaul, Naughty Boy, Weirda, Kaylana, readme please :)
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.06.19 14:41:00 -
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LOL, I didn't copy the address properly and tried sending a mail to "[email protected]". Was going to laugh at your email address before realising what I did...
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Stamm
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Posted - 2006.06.19 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul LOL, I didn't copy the address properly and tried sending a mail to "[email protected]". Was going to laugh at your email address before realising what I did...
Team Amarr is going to infiltrate it, and suggest target painter bonuses, and point out how it's so good to be versatile and have missiles and guns on a BS :)
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Khadur
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Posted - 2006.06.19 15:59:00 -
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/Signed
Anything for brother Sarmaul
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Nyxus
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Posted - 2006.06.19 20:22:00 -
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Variety. Usefull variety. Other races have it, Amarr need it.
Gallente - Drone boats and Blaster boats. Armor tankers. 'Nuff said Caldari - Missile boats and Rail boats. Shield tankers. Matari - Projectile boats with missiles, and speed ships. Can both armor and shield tank. Amarr - Laser boats and, uh...laser boats. Armor tank.
The only niche left really is Armor tanking Missile boats. Which is a bonus rp wise since Khanid ships are a fusion of Caldari and Amarrian tech. For the love of the emperor dont make shield tanking laser boats as they would be rediculously non-functional due to cap.
@Sarmaul - the more I research this, the less I think a laser bonus is appropriate even though it may be helpful sometimes. If we look at the "equivalent" boats, the railboats of the Caldari line, we see that none get a split weapon bonus to both missiles and rails. In light of this trend, I think some sort of an armor tanking bonus (personally I am partial to the repper effectiveness bonus similar to a brutix) or 2 missile bonuses would be appropriate.
Please just give them an ROF bonus as an having the only missile bonus be EM damage renders them almost the same as a laser but with a different graphic. Thats no fun. Variety 4tw here.
@Tux - We can see the joy rising in your pants now!! Give in before they become so tight that they begin to cut off circulation! <waves Khanid models around Tux's office and makes missile sounds>
Nyxus
Originally by: Tux The thought of a missile spewing armor tanking cool black looking ship makes me happy in the pants
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Gordon Red
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Posted - 2006.06.20 00:11:00 -
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/signed ____________________________________________________________ |
Kitty O'Shay
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Posted - 2006.06.20 00:53:00 -
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There are no Jen-mei ships. There are no Achrua ships. There are no Veherokur ships. There ARE Khanid ships.
They should be unique, and have a role.
So....
/signed. --
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Rabid Sheep
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Posted - 2006.06.22 14:02:00 -
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Do not let it die! Bump!
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Wesley Harding
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Posted - 2006.06.22 21:10:00 -
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I'd prefer shield resists on the Hawk. A passive tank would be very good on her I think.
Anyway, since we're talking Khanid, I wouldn't mind some tweaking to the Impel. She's underfitted, lacking both CPU and Grid considering the number of lows she has. If she had just a little more grid and cpu she could fit tech II instead of expensive faction gear.
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Brazero
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Posted - 2006.06.23 12:44:00 -
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Not much going on here, maybe the subject is too hot.
So a bump is in order |
Agama
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Posted - 2006.06.23 14:03:00 -
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Edited by: Agama on 23/06/2006 14:03:11 C'mon.... devs.
You know this is a good idea.
At least it will us Amarr pilots something fun to play with.
'Death solves all problems- no man, no problem' J.V. Stalin, 1918
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DeadDuck
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Posted - 2006.06.23 14:16:00 -
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Edited by: DeadDuck on 23/06/2006 14:17:04
Originally by: Wesley Harding If she had just a little more grid and cpu she could fit tech II instead of expensive faction gear.
Dont worry with the PG bonus ... you will have your 1MW sooner or later
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Aramendel
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Posted - 2006.06.24 14:19:00 -
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No, you will not die!
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