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Frools
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Posted - 2006.06.16 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Yodohime Kibagami
If you cant use RCU II's and have advanced weapon upgrades IV or V you WILL need 4 RCU's to fit full rack of tachyons on a apoc.
actually you can fit 8 t1 tachs with 2 t1 rcu's if you have awu 1 if you can use t2 tachs i would bloody well hope you have awu 3 or 4 at least in which case you still need at least one t2 rcu to get 8 tach II's in :( you're right on everything else tho
augoror is only good on sisi where everyone can fly around with a full slave set and have 20k of armour on their augoror
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Xendie
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Posted - 2006.06.16 13:41:00 -
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who cares about tach's ? i want to be able to have a decent tank while using megapulses on my apocs and do equal dmg and be able to tank equally much as other races can. today that isnt possible.
tachs are fine as they are imho, they work nice from long range wich they should but the problem is that you cant tank and do any kind of decent dmg at short range like ravens, megas and domis.
and then we have the cruiser problems wich really needs a whole new rework to function properly. and on top of that there is silly fitting problems for the amarr interceptors and frigates as the beam versions of small guns only fits on the cruisers and not on the frigates. imagine how much ppl would scream if their races cruisers could only fit small guns if they wanted a tank on the cruisers.
Originally by: F'nog This would be great, because lag is not at all a problem currently.
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twit brent
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Posted - 2006.06.16 15:25:00 -
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my tach geddon will blow up any ship faster than a railtron can by a long way unless that ship is set for just EM + thermal tanking.
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Exiled One
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Posted - 2006.06.16 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: twit brent my tach geddon will blow up any ship faster than a railtron can by a long way unless that ship is set for just EM + thermal tanking.
so you like useeingngn rails and 1400mm howwiez for close range do you ?!@??!? yes???
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Spartan239
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Posted - 2006.06.16 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Xendie who cares about tach's ? i want to be able to have a decent tank while using megapulses on my apocs and do equal dmg and be able to tank equally much as other races can. today that isnt possible.
Erm I'm kinda confused yoru saying you can fit a full rack of 800's on a pest and 2hvy nos/cruiser/seige with a decent tank without having to sehild tank and fit a load of pdu II's
Dual lar megatrhon +neutrons is still impossible
and fitting a x booster II on a raven with full rack of seige is nigh on impossible so maybe fittng top tier weapons is meant to be hard
Originally by: Tamora its not the skills that make the eve player... its the smack that back him up
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Yodohime Kibagami
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Posted - 2006.06.16 16:43:00 -
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Quote: and fitting a x booster II on a raven with full rack of seige is nigh on impossible so maybe fittng top tier weapons is meant to be hard
Correct me if I'm wrong but x-large booster II is capital ship grade yes?
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Letifer Deus
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Posted - 2006.06.16 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmo Raata If Meridius says something sucks or is uber, he is right, period/end of story. He's been around a long time & never lies about stuff in regards to their abilities. Need a good ship setup, he can tell you, need a straight answer about anything, he will tell you. Point is, dont argue with the man, he's right, you're wrong.
Does Meridius let you pleasure him, or do you have to beg first? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!" |
Xendie
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Posted - 2006.06.16 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Spartan239
Originally by: Xendie who cares about tach's ? i want to be able to have a decent tank while using megapulses on my apocs and do equal dmg and be able to tank equally much as other races can. today that isnt possible.
Erm I'm kinda confused yoru saying you can fit a full rack of 800's on a pest and 2hvy nos/cruiser/seige with a decent tank without having to sehild tank and fit a load of pdu II's
Dual lar megatrhon +neutrons is still impossible
and fitting a x booster II on a raven with full rack of seige is nigh on impossible so maybe fittng top tier weapons is meant to be hard
i dont say that i should be able to fit it without any engineering mods but considering that there is no dmg bonus on the apocs and everyone says that apocs are supposed to be the great tanking ships it shouldnt take more then 2 engineering mods to fit 8 megapulses and dual rep with hardeners.
i can fit 8*800's with a dual rep and 3 hardeners and dmg mods on a apoc and by doing so does same dmg with better tanking. also when doing that there is no need to carry around 70+mill worth of ammo either.
Originally by: F'nog This would be great, because lag is not at all a problem currently.
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Spartan239
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Posted - 2006.06.16 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Spartan239
Originally by: Xendie who cares about tach's ? i want to be able to have a decent tank while using megapulses on my apocs and do equal dmg and be able to tank equally much as other races can. today that isnt possible.
Erm I'm kinda confused yoru saying you can fit a full rack of 800's on a pest and 2hvy nos/cruiser/seige with a decent tank without having to sehild tank and fit a load of pdu II's
Dual lar megatrhon +neutrons is still impossible
and fitting a x booster II on a raven with full rack of seige is nigh on impossible so maybe fittng top tier weapons is meant to be hard
i dont say that i should be able to fit it without any engineering mods but considering that there is no dmg bonus on the apocs and everyone says that apocs are supposed to be the great tanking ships it shouldnt take more then 2 engineering mods to fit 8 megapulses and dual rep with hardeners.
i can fit 8*800's with a dual rep and 3 hardeners and dmg mods on a apoc and by doing so does same dmg with better tanking. also when doing that there is no need to carry around 70+mill worth of ammo either.
bu ******* hu, ok your ammo is expensive but then so is eveyone else's yes its more expensive by a bit but then thats the producers that set the price so take it up with them
Originally by: Tamora its not the skills that make the eve player... its the smack that back him up
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Forsch
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Posted - 2006.06.16 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Spartan239 bu ******* hu, ok your ammo is expensive but then so is eveyone else's yes its more expensive by a bit but then thats the producers that set the price so take it up with them
Has nothing to do with the producers. It's the built cost. because t2 crystals hold quite long until they break -> build cost is high -> price is high.
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Xendie
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Posted - 2006.06.16 18:58:00 -
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Edited by: Xendie on 16/06/2006 18:58:35 its not like ppl who use amarr guns can grab 250 shots of 2 types of ammo and thus getting away cheap, if using a apoc they have to take with them the value of ca:8000*2=16000 shots and thus around 70mill+ in just ammo.
quite unbalanced isnt it?
i wonder what every other BS pilot whould say if they had to carry 70+mill worth of ammo in their ships if they wanted to shoot tech2 ammo ?
Originally by: F'nog This would be great, because lag is not at all a problem currently.
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FireMonk
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Posted - 2006.06.16 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Yodohime Kibagami
Quote: and fitting a x booster II on a raven with full rack of seige is nigh on impossible so maybe fittng top tier weapons is meant to be hard
Correct me if I'm wrong but x-large booster II is capital ship grade yes?
wrong capital sb is capital size -----------------------
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Executor Tassadar
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Posted - 2006.06.16 19:37:00 -
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*signed*
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Devoras2
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Posted - 2006.06.16 20:01:00 -
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Is this thread still going on? Jeez....
And they call me slow.... hey! Thats an insult!
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Yodohime Kibagami
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Posted - 2006.06.16 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: FireMonk
Originally by: Yodohime Kibagami
Quote: and fitting a x booster II on a raven with full rack of seige is nigh on impossible so maybe fittng top tier weapons is meant to be hard
Correct me if I'm wrong but x-large booster II is capital ship grade yes?
wrong capital sb is capital size
My bad, never saw any on available market deals.
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Executor Tassadar
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Posted - 2006.06.16 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Xendie
i want to be able to have a decent tank while using megapulses on my apocs and do equal dmg and be able to tank equally much as other races can. today that isnt possible.
tachs are fine as they are imho, they work nice from long range wich they should but the problem is that you cant tank and do any kind of decent dmg at short range like ravens, megas and domis.
Totaly Agree
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Letifer Deus
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Posted - 2006.06.16 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Xendie
i want to be able to have a decent tank while using megapulses on my apocs and do equal dmg and be able to tank equally much as other races can. today that isnt possible.
The apoc isn't meant to be a damage dealer. Why do people keep whining that apoc doesn't do as much damage as a tempest or a megathron. Hello, that is what the armageddon is for. Now, as I have stated before, the Apoc needs a grid boost so it can fit 8 mega pulse or 7 tachs w/o having to fit a pg booster. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!" |
Yodohime Kibagami
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Posted - 2006.06.16 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Letifer Deus Edited by: Letifer Deus on 16/06/2006 22:08:22
Originally by: Xendie
i want to be able to have a decent tank while using megapulses on my apocs and do equal dmg and be able to tank equally much as other races can. today that isnt possible.
The apoc isn't meant to be a damage dealer. Why do people keep whining that apoc doesn't do as much damage as a tempest or a megathron. Hello, that is what the armageddon is for. Now, as I have stated before, the Apoc needs a grid boost so it can fit 8 mega pulse 2s or 7 tach 2s w/o having to fit a pg booster. However, it should be increased so that with 8 MP2s or 7 tach2s, it has very little PG to spare. If you have to ask why, please reread the first sentence.
The whining isnt because of the lack of offensive power alone, it has been stated over half a dozen times in neat numbers or reasoned posts.
The tank on apoc is not exceptional on any sense and to fit its best tank means it wont do any meaningful damage to other battleships.
So people take a mega and fit the same tank config on it and still have a rather meaningful influence.
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Frools
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Posted - 2006.06.16 23:17:00 -
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what it needs is a proper tanking bonus, 5% or 7.5% to resists the cap bonus is pretty much worthless as you have to use a cap booster to run a good pvp tank anyway
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Aemilus Brutus
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Posted - 2006.06.17 02:35:00 -
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You know, I never complained about people requesting a boost if I didn't fly their ships. I didn't go on blaster threads and say, "You're fine. You don't need a boost at all!, Stop you're whinning n00b". I didn't comment on the Raven until I used one. I let the people that fly the ships fight it out amongst themselves what boosts may be needed and let CCP decide if there is merit to their arguments. I read other balance threads because I want to know how other players are doing. Do people sometimes ask for too much? Yes, but given the cautious nature of CCP implimenting balance tweaks I don't really worry about that. If this were EQ where buffs and nerfs of great size happened I would worry, but EVE is a very different game.
And Amarr have fallen behind, their tanks aren't good enough to justify their damage output, their damage type is increasingly less useful. Their cruisers and frigates have fitting issues. Most Amarr flying players don't want a massive boost, just slight tweaks to different areas to but Amarr back in balance.
Are their a few people that demand massive boosts that would be too much? Yes, but quoting and focusing on them for your agruments is not a reasonable way to disscuss this issue, it is very similar to using a strawman argument.
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twit brent
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Posted - 2006.06.17 05:11:00 -
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The armageddon is the amarr gunship BS. Using the apoc to compare damage is just pointless.
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BirdBleed
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Posted - 2006.06.17 05:21:00 -
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Edited by: BirdBleed on 17/06/2006 06:07:27
Originally by: twit brent my tach geddon will blow up any ship faster than a railtron can by a long way unless that ship is set for just EM + thermal tanking.
please just stop posting, you arent even spec in amarr, you are gallante trash
http://ig.eve-fix.com/kb/pilot_detail.php?plt_id=1084
ship of choice : megathron :P
so please, STFU
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twit brent
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Posted - 2006.06.17 06:09:00 -
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Originally by: BirdBleed Edited by: BirdBleed on 17/06/2006 06:07:27
Originally by: twit brent my tach geddon will blow up any ship faster than a railtron can by a long way unless that ship is set for just EM + thermal tanking.
please just stop posting, you arent even spec in amarr, you are gallante trash
http://ig.eve-fix.com/kb/pilot_detail.php?plt_id=1084
ship of choice : megathron :P
so please, STFU
Maybe u should look up my alt WhiteKnight1717
ship of choice : armageddon :P
so STFU
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Xendie
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Posted - 2006.06.17 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: twit brent The armageddon is the amarr gunship BS. Using the apoc to compare damage is just pointless.
so lets compare tanking with the dominix then? is that better? both gallente BS tanks better and does more dmg at the same time then a apoc so what do we compare to? amarr frigates?
Originally by: F'nog This would be great, because lag is not at all a problem currently.
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Imperial Coercion
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Posted - 2006.06.17 10:46:00 -
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Edited by: Imperial Coercion on 17/06/2006 10:46:15
Originally by: twit brent my tach geddon will blow up any ship faster than a railtron can by a long way unless that ship is set for just EM + thermal tanking.
Pffft. I had an encounter with a Raven here the otherday. Range was about 100-ish. I got the raven to 60% shield when I was at 50% armour and had to warp out(because with tachs you cant even fit a repair module. Raven used cruise missiles and I used auroras.
And yes, I got all gunnery skills maxed out on top of bs lv5.
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Gronsak
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Posted - 2006.06.17 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Frools what it needs is a proper tanking bonus, 5% or 7.5% to resists the cap bonus is pretty much worthless as you have to use a cap booster to run a good pvp tank anyway
yep apoc should get 5% per lvl resistance rather than cap, in pvp you are much better off injecting cap so its bonous is totally wasted!
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twit brent
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Posted - 2006.06.17 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: twit brent The armageddon is the amarr gunship BS. Using the apoc to compare damage is just pointless.
so lets compare tanking with the dominix then? is that better? both gallente BS tanks better and does more dmg at the same time then a apoc so what do we compare to? amarr frigates?
Did i say apoc tanks better, did i say apoc cant do damage and tank?
No, i said when comparing damage use the geddon so wtf are u quoting me for?
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Xendie
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Posted - 2006.06.17 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: twit brent
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: twit brent The armageddon is the amarr gunship BS. Using the apoc to compare damage is just pointless.
so lets compare tanking with the dominix then? is that better? both gallente BS tanks better and does more dmg at the same time then a apoc so what do we compare to? amarr frigates?
Did i say apoc tanks better, did i say apoc cant do damage and tank?
No, i said when comparing damage use the geddon so wtf are u quoting me for?
so tell me what is the apoc good for at close range? tanking?, nope Dmg dealing? nope little of both? nope
this thread was first and foremost about the apoc and why it is able to tank better using projectiles and having as good dmg with projectiles. and yes the apoc with pulses doesnt measure up to the apoc with autocannons.
also the geddon doesnt have any tank when using megapulses to do enough dmg. and this is where you scream and spout that it shouldnt have it either, i say why does the Dominix do comparable dmg while tanking then? dominix is a tier 1 and so is the geddon. only really good thing that geddon does now is as a tachyon sniper in wich case he needs to haul around 70+mill of ammo also
Originally by: F'nog This would be great, because lag is not at all a problem currently.
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BirdBleed
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Posted - 2006.06.17 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
I'm sorry, Amarr are suppose to be the turret kings? Yeah right.
Zealot was made with stacked damage mods in mind, it needs another turret now that stacking has been wtfnerfed.
we arent alowed to be the turret kings so it seems.
As a race with the least counters i would like to atleast be the best at something :P
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Frools
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Posted - 2006.06.17 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Xendie
also the geddon doesnt have any tank when using megapulses to do enough dmg. and this is where you scream and spout that it shouldnt have it either, i say why does the Dominix do comparable dmg while tanking then?
domi doesnt do comparable damage to a geddon... zealot outdamages a domi in raw dps its not damage that makes the domi great its the combination of decent damage, nos and ew geddon needs a little bit of cpu if anything, aside from that its fine and it rocks
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