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Rockbox
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Posted - 2006.05.29 20:01:00 -
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Edited by: Rockbox on 29/05/2006 20:03:52 Edited by: Rockbox on 29/05/2006 20:03:33 Ive been harping on this for a while, Amarr needs too be boosted, it has been left in the dust.
My triple armor rep triple hardened Apoc cant tank a well fitted blasterthron and my geddon cant kill one fast enough before it gets in range and kills me.... wtf?
Ok I have the solution, its time for what little dedicated Amarr players there are to start forum *****ing and whineing excessivly, infact somone start a couple more threads about boosting amarr even though this one is already off to a good start... that should get us some recognition...it obviously has worked before
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Posted - 2006.05.29 22:33:00 -
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Edited by: Rockbox on 29/05/2006 22:34:43
Originally by: Godar Marak And whats the highest armour resistance most ships have?
Oh oh I know! its Explosive and Kinetic! Did I mention we should boost blasters they are waaaaaaaay under damaging and I should be able to run a Dual rep T2 tank on a T2 Neutron fitted blasterthron!
On a more serious note, I think it would be awsome if a dev could pop in and at least acknowledge this threads existance :D
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Posted - 2006.05.30 08:27:00 -
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If the Abbadon turns out to be that awsome, can you imagine the huge mass of Gallente and Caldari whiners that are gonna scream bloody murder for a nerf
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Posted - 2006.05.30 17:14:00 -
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Continue to whine we will get recognition soooooooooooon(tm)
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Posted - 2006.05.31 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap Its all for the sake of balance and ammar are just whining, because they think its time for them again.
Exactly what it is (no sarcasim) and its a large portion of the argument, other races have been boosted, and Amarr has not been boosted and has been nerfed twice (Pulse laser range, and damage mod stacking penalty [Dont give me that "Oh it effected all of us" bull... what other race used 8 damage mods stacked ])
Hence the other races have pulled away from Amarr and we are lacking in PvP because of it.
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Rockbox
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Posted - 2006.05.31 07:32:00 -
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Today I fitted out a Completely T2 Maller with Projectiles (220mm AC) it pwned and I hade a nice 1600mm plated tank
Amarr the only race where you spec another races guns to use the ships better
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Posted - 2006.06.01 05:22:00 -
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This thread will not die, continue to whine! We will be heard!
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Posted - 2006.06.01 06:08:00 -
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Yeah, dev recognition pretty plz? show us that you do care!
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Posted - 2006.06.01 17:13:00 -
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Bump for the cause
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Posted - 2006.06.02 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: Masta Killa I am also a hysterical little girl and I think amarr need to be boosted by 150%.
I think amarr suck because i can't fit the amarr ships so i need ccp and TUX (HE WILL NOTICE AND BOOST AMARR BECAUSE I DID ALL THAT STUFF TO HIS NAME) to change them so i can fit them well without knowing anything or even thinking about how to fit it right because thinking makes my head hurt and when my head hurts i cry bitter tears of noobdom.
wow, just wow...
Did we do this in the blaster thread?
I dont think so, so congrats at making yourself look like the ass you are...
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Rockbox
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Posted - 2006.06.03 05:20:00 -
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Originally by: Nyxus Not all Amarr ships are bad. But we have a preponderance of ships that just.....lack in comparison to other racial ships. Some are ship issues, some are weapon issues, some are underpowered bonus issues, some are a result of ammo imbalance, etc. Let's take a look at some of them.
- Passive Tanking Boost: Yes we needed a boost to tanking. But now, almost every ship in the game besides Caldari and some tempests passive armor tank. Where before 60% EM resist was manageable, it is common for armor tanks to have 75%+ resists to armor while not specifically kitting out to defend against Amarr.
- Ammo Distribution Imbalance: This goes hand in hand with the above issue. Range should be an advantage to lasers, especially in mid-long range. While other races have Carbonized Lead 12Exp/12Kin and Iron 12Kin/8Therm Amarr have Radio 20EM. Crystals should have an equitable EM/Therm split like all the other races, ESPECIALLY considering the boosts to passive tanking.
- Some gun fitting needs are too high: Medium Beam Lasers, Heavy Pulses - some of the Amarr weapons are WAY harder to fit than the racial Contemporaries.
- Some Amarr ships have the same grid/cpu layout as other racial ships that have weapons that are MUCH easier to mount: Whey does a crusader and claw both have 40pg base when the Crusader weapons are so much harder to fit?? Why does the Thrasher and Coercer have the same? Why are the Maller/Ruppie/Thorax so close in grid when lasers require so much grid more to fit? Why can a Mega fit a full rack of Neuts without a grid mod yet then Apoc can not fit a full rack of Tachys?
- Some Amarr non-damage bonuses need a boost: With stacking 5% per level of Armor resists isn't really enough to make a difference. It needs to be increased to at least 7.5% or make it not applicable to the stacking rules. Right now a brutix can tank just as well as a Prophecy yet has MUCH more damage potential and more mids and dronebay. Maller has the same problem. The "better" tanking just isn't appreciable in any noticeable way. The Apoc needs to lose a mostly useless cap bonus for an Armor Resist bonus as well. The Non-damage bonuses often need a larger percentage to be considered usefull. The recent brutix boost is a prime example of this.
- Lack of Mids, less useful lows: Mids largely determine PvP usefullness to some extent. Amarr have 2 ships with 1 mid, and many with only 2. In return we have (sometimes) an extra low that is much less useful overall. A Taranis with more mids and a dronebay is more useful than a Crusader becuase it does 90% of what a Sader can do, has a dronebay and an extra mid as well. Same with the Enyo and Retri.
- Useless ships, Khanid without a clue: WTH is an Omen supposed to be good at? If it's going to be a gunboat, let it do a crapload of damage and fit big guns. Right now like the Augorer its mostly useless. Khanid designs are 50/50 and therefore MASSIVELY inferior in the dps department. Let them spew missiles and armor tank. It's an interesting niche and provides DESPERATELY needed variety to Amarr ships. Right now Khanid ships are 90% inferior to other ships of thier class. Remember variety = interest = subscription retention.
Nyxus
Very QFT
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Posted - 2006.06.06 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Meridius
We need to recruit more whiners...i'm working on getting Sarmaul on team Amarr.
Cross your fingers
Exactly what we need, its worked for the other races
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Posted - 2006.06.07 13:45:00 -
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The Devs have forsaken us!
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Posted - 2006.06.08 05:24:00 -
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14 pages and no Devs. I think they are off flying thier Blasterthrons and Domis around
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Posted - 2006.06.08 10:22:00 -
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Edited by: Rockbox on 08/06/2006 10:23:18
Originally by: Godar Marak
Originally by: Spartan239
Originally by: Rockbox 14 pages and no Devs. I think they are off flying thier Blasterthrons and Domis around
Why are you here? No seriously, if you have nothing constructive to post you're just wasting forum space.
Now go, go little man.
/me points and shouts "Hey look! he didnt read all 15 pages and hasent seen any of the input I have already made to this thread!
I dare say! Double
Edit: And obviously has no sense of humor!
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Posted - 2006.06.08 10:34:00 -
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Edited by: Rockbox on 08/06/2006 10:34:58 Ahh! So we just need to get this thread in the low twenties page wise then! Tally ho!
So are you implying that they are all flying around Apocs?
Edit: yeah btw, stick with the Amarr chatter here, leave the outside references to prove points for the bias only
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Posted - 2006.06.08 10:48:00 -
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Thanks for taking the time to proveme wrong.
Anyways...
Dps of Amarrian weaponry on tanked HPs..... discuss!
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Posted - 2006.06.08 11:03:00 -
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Hmm maybe thats the wrong ammo for the job then... and in the circumstance that would have EMP do more dps than t2 ammo (if thats what your implying) then use it...
But guess what.... All Amarr ammo does about 2 parts EM 1 Par thermal even t2 omg!
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Posted - 2006.06.08 11:16:00 -
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And "supposedly" Lasers put out more raw dps than any gun to comphensate for their crap dmg types?
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Posted - 2006.06.08 15:35:00 -
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There is no need to "make" a laser do kin/exp damage, by principal they already do!
And since when can Amarr dicatate range? We hardly ever fit propulsion mods....
And as for instantly switching ammo types... have you seen the falloff on lasers? No wonder we have to switch ammo so much!
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Posted - 2006.06.08 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: General Apocalypse Edited by: General Apocalypse on 08/06/2006 19:33:09 Dear players and imbecils. Don't post unless u read several pages in this topic . So saying "lasers can't do explosive damage" is unfonded as lasers can do all type of damage. "Lasers are balanced how they are now" . 100% wrong. Lasers where fine but they got nerfed and the other weapons got boosted. So atm using lasers on your ship is like using a carachter named "pls kill me". You don't belive me Fine , then fit an Apocalypse whit lasers and fight whit it agans a Megatron , a Raven and a Tempest. Fight someone that has your same sp. Unless u're fighting a total noob or using all faction and officer items u're going to loose 95% of the time. We're going to whine about lasers and Amarr ships as Sarmaul did for minmatar and other guys did for gallente. So unless u love bing falmed stop being such a pain in the neck.
Bout sums it up... we are almost at the magical point where we break through the dev Ships & Mods filter that gets rid of threads under 20 pages :D
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Posted - 2006.06.08 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Mollari Cotto I'm sick of people trying to make all of the races the same. Minmatar get the mulit damage types. gallente get drones. caldari missiles..... this game will SUCK the day CCP makes all of the races the same.
Bwahahaha... the last thing we want is to be the same... now dont post again untill youve read the better part of these 17 pages
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Posted - 2006.06.09 02:30:00 -
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Edited by: Rockbox on 09/06/2006 02:31:12 Bump/Whipmiester
Discuss the indadiquicys of amarrian ships and weapons and my faulty spelling
/me cr@cks whip
Any more suggestions for the balancing issues?
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Posted - 2006.06.09 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: hylleX Here is why amarr suxs
1. Ammo does to much EM damage. 2. Lasers use to much cap to do anything else than shooting, and often u cant even have the cap sustainable to keep ur guns going. (i got all skills at 5) Meanwhile we have TWO races who dont use ANY cap to fire and another who got their use reduced which i think is fine but we need some love too. 3. The ships are so predictable and lacks flexibility (=mid slots > low slots) Since EW is teh **** nowadays. 4. The easiest ships to jam, we have the lowest sensor strengts, geddon has pretty much the same strength as other races hacs give or take a point. And Compared to other BS its alot lower. 5. Most vulnerable to tracking disruptors. 6. Our frigs, intys, af¦s cant be fitted really, and the fact that we do mainly EM damage makes them pretty worthless compared to other frigs since they have 60-70% EM resist and who tanks a frig? 7. Our cruisers suffer from i think alot of the things that the frigs doo, fitting problems and also the damage types is a problem. 8. Khanid (nuff said?)
My conclusion which i realised a long time ago (which lead me to train caldari cuz, EW+missiles is teh ****) was that the stacking penalty implemented in RMR would hit Amarr hard. And now as the time has passed it has become more obvious we cant even gank properly anymore. The apoc can tank abit but so can all other BS¦s cuz injectors > cap bonus, the difference between apoc and others are it does less damage than a thorax.
Ahh now i feel better
QFT
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Posted - 2006.06.15 21:42:00 -
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THIS IS NOT A THREAD ABOUT HACS
kthbai
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Posted - 2006.06.15 22:03:00 -
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Yeah, I think all the races do
However how does a full fledged debate on wether or not HACs are flown in PvP besides by rich Carbears have anything to do with buffing Amarr
Now back on topic!
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Posted - 2006.06.22 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: The ArchWarder
The vengence is pretty much the only PVP viable AF for amarr and must fit dual lights in order to fit any kind of tank.
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and the Vengence still blows at pvp, even after the changes +1 pg ftw \o/
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Rockbox
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Posted - 2006.08.03 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Cosmo Raata Well Tux, I'm a little perplexed atm. Amarr pilots have this thread of 51 pages atm & growing. I've seen more Abaddon complaint threads than Hyperion or Maelstrom. Amarr Pilots are starting the Dont Nerf Nos threads, Boost Lasers, Change Apoc. So, my conclusion & hope is that Tux & the other Devs have recognized our complaints & will address it in a full blog up coming. I just can't understand why we'd be ignored for so long unless that was the truth. If not, I think I'm done with Eve once & forall. I'm approaching my 3rd year straight of playing, no breaks the entire time. 2 years solid of having 2 accounts. I have over 46.5 mil skill points, own a carrier & dreadnought. My main focus has always been Amarr since I understood that specialization was the way to go. I will never cross train! I can fly a Raven & Mega, because back in the day it was the thing to do. If I could just drop those skill points for nothing in return I would.
So, Tux, Please, Announce something for the Faithful Amarr! If you are fearful of flaming, let Kieron or Oveur do it. All we want is an answer so we can move on. If the answer is Amarr is fine, shut up, say it so I can stop wasting my time. If you recognize the problem but have yet to know what to do about it....Say So. If you have a plan up & coming, give a hint of it.
WE NEED TO KNOW!!!
I second thee
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