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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:56:00 -
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Hey guys,
It's with a heavy heart that I have to speak in relation to the damage that was done to the EVE Universe Monument just four days after it was unveiled.
Firstly, I'll say that the fact that the monument was vandalized is an insult to the entire community, not just to the individual who's name was directly targeted by the vandalism. Thankfully with the assistance of a number of members of the community, including some of those who were involved with the incident and other members of their own alliance, we've been able to make headway in identifying those responsible.
Secondly, we would like to reiterate that we do not tolerate this kind of behavior and will continue to operate a zero tolerance approach to dealing with harassment and victimization in the EVE Universe.
As such, three individuals have been permanently removed from the EVE Community. A total of 7 EVE Online accounts, and 1 DUST 514 account belonging to them have been permanently banned. Another individual who was indirectly involved in the vandalism has received a 6 month ban from EVE Online on their sole registered account.
The four individuals involved are also blacklisted permanently from attending future Fanfest events.
While the community has been justifiably outraged and a number of people have requested that we release the ingame identities of those who carried out the act, we feel that this would be contrary to our privacy policies. As such we will deal with this incident in line with our current policies, and the identities of those responsible will remain confidential.
With this in mind, we now consider this issue resolved within the EVE Universe, and any further action taken outside the virtual world relating to criminal damage or recovery of costs for repairs to the EVE Universe Monument will remain confidential between CCP Games, the authorities, and those involved.
This thread will be left open for discussion, be sure to keep it on topic, with no personal attacks and finger pointing. This is a pretty sensitive subject for some members of the community, and as such people who break the rules will lose their forum posting privileges.
Thanks. CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Manager -á || -á EVE Illuminati
@CCP_Falcon -á || -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents |
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hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate Caldari State
229
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:06:00 -
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Sad that it had to come to this Pog mo thoin |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1306
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:07:00 -
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Glad to hear no naming will be done, seems appropriate all round. Cheers for the update Falcon |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15338
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:07:00 -
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hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:Sad that it had to come to this
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
225
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:07:00 -
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CCP is awesome! That awkward moment at the Gentleman's Club when you see your sister on the stage....and you're not sure where to put the money.... |
mkint
1193
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:08:00 -
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Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5466
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:09:00 -
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What steps has CCP taken to prevent future abuse/vandalism of the monument? The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
TheMercenaryKing
StarFleet Enterprises Intrepid Crossing
186
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:09:00 -
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Is the Icelandic judicial system involved? I know it's a crime, but how far is CCP going? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1306
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:10:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:What steps has CCP taken to prevent future abuse/vandalism of the monument? Sniper. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2341
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:11:00 -
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It is good that the issue has been resolved.
We should stick to bashing each other in-game and on the forums and keep it separate from real life. This is not a signature. |
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Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15338
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:11:00 -
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mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk?
The guys that turned themselves in only got permabanned. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
6401
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:11:00 -
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TheMercenaryKing wrote:Is the Icelandic judicial system involved? I know it's a crime, but how far is CCP going? That is probably an issue between CCP, the criminal system and the accused. We don't have any need to know. |
Ned Thomas
Death Rider inc M1NER CONFL1CT
13
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:13:00 -
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From the outside looking in, this seems to have been dealt with very quickly and calmly.
Well done, CCP. |
Marcus Trial
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:13:00 -
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mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? The soft response CCP took here was to ban the guy instead of letting the police investigate the matter any further. |
hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate Caldari State
230
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:16:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:What steps has CCP taken (or plans to take) to prevent future abuse/vandalism of the monument?
Only thing they could really do is install ballistic perspex over it. But it would have to be replaced due to weathering Pog mo thoin |
Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
1036
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:17:00 -
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Good, no need for people like that in game. Mashie Saldana Dominique Vasilkovsky
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Lady Areola Fappington
new order logistics CODE.
1751
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:18:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? The guys that turned themselves in only got permabanned.
Yeah, just a permaban, vs. permaban, and whatever legal and criminal actions CCP and the authorities are taking.
It's sad when crap like this happens, but...humanity sucks at times.
If any of the mentioned alliance members are reading this, you guys did the honorable thing. It may not feel honorable ratting out a "buddy" like that, but a person like that really isn't that great a friend in the end. Thanks for that. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
220
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:18:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Glad to hear no naming will be done, seems appropriate all round. Cheers for the update Falcon And this is how you avoid mass shootings.
Thanks CCP, for taking care of this in the utmost professional way. This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |
mkint
1194
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:20:00 -
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Marcus Trial wrote:mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? The soft response CCP took here was to ban the guy instead of letting the police investigate the matter any further. So the lesson is to be better at not getting caught? It's not like any government is going to extradite someone to iceland over vandalism. Vandalism laws are barely even enforced in most US cities, unless there's assault charges involved too. I mean, it's not like there's never going to be real world crimes involved in EVE ever again.
I would definitely not mind seeing the guys beat black and blue over it, but bruises fade, but permabans are forever. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
Mangala Solaris
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1023
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:20:00 -
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hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:Sad that it had to come to this
No doubt.
Also Falcon, that was some speedy investigating there, certainly helped along by the culprits own alliance mates. Kudos to them for shopping these people to you. RvB Ganked: EVE's Number One Public Roam |
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3298
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:21:00 -
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That hangover will last a while. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1844
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:21:00 -
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mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk?
True enough i remember in Canada back in 06 a guy urinated on a war memorial and he ended up doing a public apology for his actions. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/teen-offers-heartfelt-apology-for-urinating-on-national-war-memorial-1.573944
Personally i think a public appology would have been the best course of action as they did with the Mittani.
They let him say sorry for his public antics when he was way to drunk... I dont know about you but i personally think publicly avocation of suicide is worse then a scratch that can be repaired. but alas this was not up to me.
Personally i feel the perma ban was too harsh but i do respect CCP for sticking to their guns and enforcing it... Hopefully this will lead to the statue never being defaced again. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2949
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:22:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? The guys that turned themselves in only got permabanned.
How do you know, if the further actions that Falcon suggested MIGHT happen, are being kept private? Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
2078
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:22:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:What steps has CCP taken (or plans to take) to prevent future abuse/vandalism of the monument?
We will make several offerings to the Hulduf+¦lk (elves) to watch over it and bring mischief and misery to those who stand against us. CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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Dirk MacGirk
Specter Syndicate Tactical Narcotics Team
20
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:24:00 -
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Well done, CCP. |
Trish Tokila
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:25:00 -
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mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk?
Instead of facing international criminal charges, potentially spending time in real-person jail, and outrageous fines to replace this, the player can no longer play this online video game. Not only that, but CCP won't tell the community who to lynch.
Yeah, he's quite lucky that CCP has taken a lighter approach on this. A much more heavy fisted approach would not be out of line in this scenario.
Remember, he didn't blow someone's spaceship up without their consent. He's committed actually serious crime. In a world that's actually real whether we want it to be or not. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5467
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:26:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Doc Fury wrote:What steps has CCP taken (or plans to take) to prevent future abuse/vandalism of the monument? We will make several offerings to the Hulduf+¦lk (elves) to watch over it and bring mischief and misery to those who stand against us.
You likely only have to protect it from the hoopleheads for a few days every year, so make sure it's a BIG offering the week before. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18242
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:27:00 -
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Trish Tokila wrote:mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? Instead of facing international criminal charges, potentially spending time in real-person jail, and outrageous fines to replace this, the player can no longer play this online video game. Not only that, but CCP won't tell the community who to lynch. Yeah, he's quite lucky that CCP has taken a lighter approach on this. A much more heavy fisted approach would not be out of line in this scenario. Remember, he didn't blow someone's spaceship up without their consent. He's committed actually serious crime. In a world that's actually real whether we want it to be or not. Pretty much this, and being drunk is a defence that won't stand in a any court that I know of.
The monument defence force for next years FanFest will look like this.
Never go full Ripard |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10708
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:30:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Doc Fury wrote:What steps has CCP taken (or plans to take) to prevent future abuse/vandalism of the monument? We will make several offerings to the Hulduf+¦lk (elves) to watch over it and bring mischief and misery to those who stand against us.
Were they the ones responsible for pulling the cord during the keynote? Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
1467
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:30:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Trish Tokila wrote:mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? Instead of facing international criminal charges, potentially spending time in real-person jail, and outrageous fines to replace this, the player can no longer play this online video game. Not only that, but CCP won't tell the community who to lynch. Yeah, he's quite lucky that CCP has taken a lighter approach on this. A much more heavy fisted approach would not be out of line in this scenario. Remember, he didn't blow someone's spaceship up without their consent. He's committed actually serious crime. In a world that's actually real whether we want it to be or not. Pretty much this, and being drunk is a defence that won't stand in a any court that I know of. hell yeah, now let's put this behind us and go back exploding stuff ingame as we're supposed to.
[img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
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mkint
1195
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:31:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Trish Tokila wrote:mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? Instead of facing international criminal charges, potentially spending time in real-person jail, and outrageous fines to replace this, the player can no longer play this online video game. Not only that, but CCP won't tell the community who to lynch. Yeah, he's quite lucky that CCP has taken a lighter approach on this. A much more heavy fisted approach would not be out of line in this scenario. Remember, he didn't blow someone's spaceship up without their consent. He's committed actually serious crime. In a world that's actually real whether we want it to be or not. Pretty much this, and being drunk is a defence that won't stand in a any court that I know of. Just to be clear... you think any country would extradite someone over vandalism? Isn't that just a misdemeanor? They might get perma-banned from iceland, but be realistic. Most people don't consider vandalism to be that big a deal (unless it happens to themselves.) Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
Lady Areola Fappington
new order logistics CODE.
1752
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:33:00 -
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mkint wrote: So the lesson is to be better at not getting caught? It's not like any government is going to extradite someone to iceland over vandalism. Vandalism laws are barely even enforced in most US cities, unless there's assault charges involved too. I mean, it's not like there's never going to be real world crimes involved in EVE ever again.
I would definitely not mind seeing the guys beat black and blue over it, but bruises fade, but permabans are forever.
I would be surprised in the guilty party actually did see criminal charges over it, for just that reason.
On the flip side, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be TOO difficult for CCP to pursue civil remedies, doubly so if the people involved live in a country that CCP has a business presence in. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5467
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:34:00 -
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mkint wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Trish Tokila wrote:mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? Instead of facing international criminal charges, potentially spending time in real-person jail, and outrageous fines to replace this, the player can no longer play this online video game. Not only that, but CCP won't tell the community who to lynch. Yeah, he's quite lucky that CCP has taken a lighter approach on this. A much more heavy fisted approach would not be out of line in this scenario. Remember, he didn't blow someone's spaceship up without their consent. He's committed actually serious crime. In a world that's actually real whether we want it to be or not. Pretty much this, and being drunk is a defence that won't stand in a any court that I know of. Just to be clear... you think any country would extradite someone over vandalism? Isn't that just a misdemeanor? They might get perma-banned from iceland, but be realistic. Most people don't consider vandalism to be that big a deal (unless it happens to themselves.)
Probably depends on if this is considered a National Monument or not by the Icelandic government.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4871
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:35:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Doc Fury wrote:What steps has CCP taken (or plans to take) to prevent future abuse/vandalism of the monument? We will make several offerings to the Hulduf+¦lk (elves) to watch over it and bring mischief and misery to those who stand against us.
Try one of these it would certainly fit the situation well.
(I got one from my swordsmith - yes I have a swordsmith - and I haven't seen any trolls) Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Trish Tokila
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:38:00 -
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mkint wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Trish Tokila wrote:mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? Instead of facing international criminal charges, potentially spending time in real-person jail, and outrageous fines to replace this, the player can no longer play this online video game. Not only that, but CCP won't tell the community who to lynch. Yeah, he's quite lucky that CCP has taken a lighter approach on this. A much more heavy fisted approach would not be out of line in this scenario. Remember, he didn't blow someone's spaceship up without their consent. He's committed actually serious crime. In a world that's actually real whether we want it to be or not. Pretty much this, and being drunk is a defence that won't stand in a any court that I know of. Just to be clear... you think any country would extradite someone over vandalism? Isn't that just a misdemeanor? They might get perma-banned from iceland, but be realistic. Most people don't consider vandalism to be that big a deal (unless it happens to themselves.)
Either way, permabanning him from the eve community is not out of line. He's not welcome here anymore. And in a much different way than others who aren't welcome yet stick around. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy Disband.
1176
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:40:00 -
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Swift justice FTW. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Belt Scout
Forum alts make you mad
390
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:44:00 -
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CCP did the right thing. They pretty much don't care about 99% of the chaos we cause in game. When it comes down to something external, such as bringing the company into a bad light (E1), or damaging the companies physical or intellectual property, then they are obligated to address those issues.
Personally, I would be surprised if they are able to recoup the costs to have that entire plate removed, repaired, and reinstalled.
Thanks to CCP Falcon for keeping us informed. It's over with and we can get back to our regularly scheduled program.
. EVE's only legitimate ISK halving service. I have 500Billion to not give away. It's easy for you to double my money. Just send me some isk, has to be 100Mil or higher, and I will send you back half. I can't lose. One guaranteed winner every round. Do it now. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
18243
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:45:00 -
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mkint wrote:Just to be clear... you think any country would extradite someone over vandalism? Isn't that just a misdemeanor? They might get perma-banned from iceland, but be realistic. Most people don't consider vandalism to be that big a deal (unless it happens to themselves.) Would you like an example or two of exactly this?
Singapore wanted the UK to extradite someone for spray painting a train carriage.
The US extradited American citizens to Canada [/url]on vandalism charges.
Never go full Ripard |
mkint
1195
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:45:00 -
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Trish Tokila wrote:mkint wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Trish Tokila wrote:mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? Instead of facing international criminal charges, potentially spending time in real-person jail, and outrageous fines to replace this, the player can no longer play this online video game. Not only that, but CCP won't tell the community who to lynch. Yeah, he's quite lucky that CCP has taken a lighter approach on this. A much more heavy fisted approach would not be out of line in this scenario. Remember, he didn't blow someone's spaceship up without their consent. He's committed actually serious crime. In a world that's actually real whether we want it to be or not. Pretty much this, and being drunk is a defence that won't stand in a any court that I know of. Just to be clear... you think any country would extradite someone over vandalism? Isn't that just a misdemeanor? They might get perma-banned from iceland, but be realistic. Most people don't consider vandalism to be that big a deal (unless it happens to themselves.) Either way, permabanning him from the eve community is not out of line. He's not welcome here anymore. And in a much different way than others who aren't welcome yet stick around. You've never done something stupid IRL to impress your friends? When you do inevitably do something stupid to impress your friends in the future, now that there's a precedence of the consequences for honesty, are you going to come clean? Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
Random Interrupt
The Desolate Order Brave Collective
6
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:47:00 -
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This is why we can't have nice things. |
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5468
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:47:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:mkint wrote:Just to be clear... you think any country would extradite someone over vandalism? Isn't that just a misdemeanor? They might get perma-banned from iceland, but be realistic. Most people don't consider vandalism to be that big a deal (unless it happens to themselves.) Would you like an example or two of exactly this? Singapore wanted the UK to extradite someone for spray painting a train carriage.
Oh yeah, I forgot about Singapore. They would probably request extradition for failing to flush a public toilet. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Bjurn Akely
Knights of Nii The 20 Minuters
58
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:52:00 -
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First: WELL DONE CCP. Swift, clean and hard.
I would like to hear CCP's stance on the (reportedly) increasingly abhorrent behavior during Fanfest. Reports of vandalism to Harpa restrooms, fights during pub crawl, open hostilities and such.
Does CCP discuss these things internally? Are CCP considering themselves in any way responsible?
I'm not laying blame here, be sure of that. The people doing 'bad stuff' are to blame.
We all know that CCP foster an atmosphere of "party hard" and "HTFU". Personally I've opted out of the Pub Crawls since the flag was introduced as it is unwise to mix alcohol and real life PvP.
I'd very much like to bring my kids to Fanfest. I'd like the community to be nice and celebrate the game we love. Not read about beaten up faces, arrests and criminal charges. Frankly it reeks. And although a small part of the attendees are the problem CCP is probably the only entity that can do something about it.
Perhaps this is an issue for another thread. Please feel free to move it, if that is the case. |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
455
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:53:00 -
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I highly doubt it will remain confidential for long. |
Marsha Mallow
508
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:55:00 -
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mkint wrote:You've never done something stupid IRL to impress your friends? When you do inevitably do something stupid to impress your friends in the future, now that there's a precedence of the consequences for honesty, are you going to come clean? Er, yes and we all got arrested. But let off after a stern telling off. Being chucked in the back of a van then banged up for a few hours usually does bring things into perspective. The simplest thing to do as a result is learn the lesson and not do it again. Some actions do indeed have consequences.
GJ for sorting it CCP, don't take it too personally. Was just a few dimwits acting up. I doubt they seriously intended to insult CCP & the playerbase, but they did, so deal with it as you see fit. Reading some of the feedback comments you could choose to view the majority response in a positive light.
ps. this doesn't mean we can't chain ourselves peacefully to the monument and chant about our POS/Sov fixes does it? TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Innominate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
554
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:59:00 -
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While it's not clear from the post who involved got banned for what, I do hope that the six month ban was for the only person punished who actually stepped forward. A permaban after admitting responsibility seems both harsh and counterproductive.
The idea that anyone involved (unless they lived in Iceland) would face any real world legal repercussions beyond being unable to return to Iceland is silly. |
Bjurn Akely
Knights of Nii The 20 Minuters
58
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:02:00 -
[46] - Quote
mkint wrote: You've never done something stupid IRL to impress your friends? When you do inevitably do something stupid to impress your friends in the future, now that there's a precedence of the consequences for honesty, are you going to come clean?
Yes. It even went to the prosecutor. But that was not in any way related to eve. In fact it was back in the -80's.
What's your point? |
mkint
1197
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:05:00 -
[47] - Quote
Bjurn Akely wrote:mkint wrote: You've never done something stupid IRL to impress your friends? When you do inevitably do something stupid to impress your friends in the future, now that there's a precedence of the consequences for honesty, are you going to come clean?
Yes. It even went to the prosecutor. But that was not in any way related to eve. In fact it was back in the -80's. What's your point? The point is, if the penalties for honesty is a harsh punishment, and the penalty for lying is, well, nothing, would you be honest? Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
Jessica Danikov
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
327
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:05:00 -
[48] - Quote
Couldn't we have at least given the option to go a round in the ring with Gunni next FanFest? |
Bjurn Akely
Knights of Nii The 20 Minuters
58
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:07:00 -
[49] - Quote
mkint wrote:Bjurn Akely wrote:mkint wrote: You've never done something stupid IRL to impress your friends? When you do inevitably do something stupid to impress your friends in the future, now that there's a precedence of the consequences for honesty, are you going to come clean?
Yes. It even went to the prosecutor. But that was not in any way related to eve. In fact it was back in the -80's. What's your point? The point is, if the penalties for honesty is a harsh punishment, and the penalty for lying is, well, nothing, would you be honest?
Depends on the issue. IF I had made something really stupid, under the influence, and I woke up to regret it and feeling very bad about it yes. If not, then no.
But what I would have done, or you or anybody else is hardly the issue here. |
Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
7776
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:08:00 -
[50] - Quote
I like EVE. Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Your old Friends can use me for 7 days, free!!! |
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mkint
1197
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:09:00 -
[51] - Quote
Bjurn Akely wrote:mkint wrote:Bjurn Akely wrote:mkint wrote: You've never done something stupid IRL to impress your friends? When you do inevitably do something stupid to impress your friends in the future, now that there's a precedence of the consequences for honesty, are you going to come clean?
Yes. It even went to the prosecutor. But that was not in any way related to eve. In fact it was back in the -80's. What's your point? The point is, if the penalties for honesty is a harsh punishment, and the penalty for lying is, well, nothing, would you be honest? Depends on the issue. IF I had made something really stupid, under the influence, and I woke up to regret it and feeling very bad about it yes. If not, then no. But what I would have done, or you or anybody else is hardly the issue here. It is an issue if it leads to more people trying harder to get away with it when they do bad/dumb stuff. "whatever you do, don't get caught." Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
Bjurn Akely
Knights of Nii The 20 Minuters
58
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:14:00 -
[52] - Quote
mkint wrote: It is an issue if it leads to more people trying harder to get away with it when they do bad/dumb stuff. "whatever you do, don't get caught."
I'll give that a serious reply if you can tell me what the punishment would have been had said parties, as you claim, not come forward. |
Tkone Green
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
1
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:20:00 -
[53] - Quote
mkint wrote: The point is, if the penalties for honesty is a harsh punishment, and the penalty for lying is, well, nothing, would you be honest?
Not being able to play a video game is not a harsh punishment. |
Ryunosuke Kusanagi
67
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:22:00 -
[54] - Quote
I think that right now, we take the time to remind ourselves that despite the animosity we might feel about other members within our community, that the feelings stay INGAME, MOST of us are pretty decent people out of game (even if we do do some dumb things). That being said, I am glad CCP has chosen to take action in the way that they have. To be honest, while it affects us all, this incident really should be between CCP, the people involved, and local authorities. |
Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
567
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:25:00 -
[55] - Quote
Tkone Green wrote:mkint wrote: The point is, if the penalties for honesty is a harsh punishment, and the penalty for lying is, well, nothing, would you be honest?
Not being able to play a video game is not a harsh punishment.
For someone who gets so upset about another player in a video game that he seeks out a monument to that videogame to scratch out that other player's character name this might well be a harsh punishment. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15349
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:25:00 -
[56] - Quote
Random Interrupt wrote:This is why we can't have nice things.
On the contrary; this is why we can have them. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1846
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:28:00 -
[57] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Random Interrupt wrote:This is why we can't have nice things. On the contrary; this is why we can have them.
i know this is off topic but you left the CFC? You are not quitting the game are you?
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Kristalll
Valkyrie Professional Resources
246
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:28:00 -
[58] - Quote
Trish Tokila wrote:mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? Instead of facing international criminal charges, potentially spending time in real-person jail, and outrageous fines to replace this, the player can no longer play this online video game. Not only that, but CCP won't tell the community who to lynch. Yeah, he's quite lucky that CCP has taken a lighter approach on this. A much more heavy fisted approach would not be out of line in this scenario. Remember, he didn't blow someone's spaceship up without their consent. He's committed actually serious crime. In a world that's actually real whether we want it to be or not.
Realistically speaking, those "international criminal charges" would have no weight and would result in nothing criminal at all.
The best CCP would be able to do once the individuals returned to the US (or whereever) is a civil lawsuit.
I would agree that the permabans serve as a disincentive to people turning themselves in in the future for stuff like this.
And to extend the meta, why did Erotica 1 not get such an explanation of the reason for the ban? GÇ£Die tryingGÇ¥ is the proudest human thing. |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15353
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:29:00 -
[59] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Malcanis wrote:Random Interrupt wrote:This is why we can't have nice things. On the contrary; this is why we can have them. i know this is off topic but you left the CFC? You are not quitting the game are you?
My subscriptions are currently cancelled. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Ibrahim Vaughn Holtzman
the holtzman experience
49
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:30:00 -
[60] - Quote
Random Interrupt wrote:This is why we can't have nice things.
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Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
85
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:31:00 -
[61] - Quote
mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk?
In real world (where the monument resides), actions actually have consequences. You want to turn yourself in? Good for having a spine. Want to run away forever? Coward. |
JEFFRAIDER
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
306
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:32:00 -
[62] - Quote
do any of u guys ever J/O with ur buddies?
just asking |
Graabeerd Khagah
ImaNicePirate.com Real Alliance Such Relevance
136
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:35:00 -
[63] - Quote
Justice is being served, irregardless and this I applaud CCP for stepping in and dealing with this matter of importance, and to our community it's a resolve that will go down in history. Let it be recorded in history, that CCP, it's staff, partners and most of all this WONDERFUL COMMUNITY that I proudly represent to the world at large.
On behalf of ImaNicePirate.com and [DOGE], this act of vandalism will not be tolerated, or any other act against this community will NOT be tolerated in the future.
@CCP Falcon, you have my corp's word that we will ever be so vigilant, we will ever so protect the things that makes up this community known as Eveonline.
Admiral Graabeerd Khagan, CEO ImaNicePirate.com |
Blastcaps Madullier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
125
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:36:00 -
[64] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote: Another individual who was indirectly involved in the vandalism has received a 6 month ban from EVE Online on their sole registered account.
The four individuals involved are also blacklisted permanently from attending future Fanfest events
I am wondering with the one "Indirectly involved" why are they also receiving a perm ban on fanfest? I can see the 6 months account ban as one thing, but also perm banning them for being "indirectly involved" from fanfest seems a tad overly harsh, it's not like that person can even play eve for the next 6 months.
or is that the person who put a sticker on the monument?
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Arrith
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:38:00 -
[65] - Quote
mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk?
I disagree. Perma-banned at the least is the best option for this situation. Just because they came forward and admitted to what they did while drunk (do we know they were drunk?) does not make what they did any less serious.
Plus if they were drunk, maybe they shouldn't drink if they cannot control themselves. |
Innominate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
554
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:43:00 -
[66] - Quote
Adrie Atticus wrote:In real world (where the monument resides), actions actually have consequences. You want to turn yourself in? Good for having a spine. Want to run away forever? Coward.
In the real world, turning yourself in generally results in leniency.
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3298
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:45:00 -
[67] - Quote
Innominate wrote:Adrie Atticus wrote:In real world (where the monument resides), actions actually have consequences. You want to turn yourself in? Good for having a spine. Want to run away forever? Coward. In the real world, turning yourself in generally results in leniency. Maybe leniency was already applied? We. Will. Never. Know. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Galen Darksmith
Sky Fighters Sky Syndicate
218
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:46:00 -
[68] - Quote
Innominate wrote:Adrie Atticus wrote:In real world (where the monument resides), actions actually have consequences. You want to turn yourself in? Good for having a spine. Want to run away forever? Coward. In the real world, turning yourself in generally results in leniency.
And unless CCP is pressing criminal charges, I would say they have been exactly that. "EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler |
Dominous Nolen
The Predictables
28
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:01:00 -
[69] - Quote
It was terrible to hear that this happened, but glad you guys were able to find the person(s) responsible.
This is EVE, Not Hello Kitty: Island Adventure |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2342
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:05:00 -
[70] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Malcanis wrote:Random Interrupt wrote:This is why we can't have nice things. On the contrary; this is why we can have them. i know this is off topic but you left the CFC? You are not quitting the game are you? My subscriptions are currently cancelled.
Surely the Kronos expansion cannot be that bad This is not a signature. |
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Vincent R'lyeh
Screaming Hayabusa
288
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:06:00 -
[71] - Quote
All Hail The BanHammer! I have deliberately developed an air of cynicism that I originally intended to make me appear somewhat louche and caddish but actually comes across as irritable hostility combined with the unspoken threat of sudden violence..... |
Innominate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
559
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:10:00 -
[72] - Quote
Abrazzar wrote:Innominate wrote:Adrie Atticus wrote:In real world (where the monument resides), actions actually have consequences. You want to turn yourself in? Good for having a spine. Want to run away forever? Coward. In the real world, turning yourself in generally results in leniency. Maybe leniency was already applied? We. Will. Never. Know.
Well in this case a permaban is not leniency except for someone who lives in Iceland. You are correct though that it's entirely possible there were people only distantly involved who weren't punished and that the six month ban is for the one who did turn themselves in while the permabans are for the ones who didn't. The CCP statement can be read either way. |
Dave Stark
5356
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:14:00 -
[73] - Quote
if people came forward to rat them out, people know who they are.
names will come out, eventually. |
Darkblad
Hilfe is like Free Entertainment
214
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:15:00 -
[74] - Quote
Thanks for keeping uns informed, Falcon. Also thanks for CCP Falcon wrote:and the identities of those responsible will remain confidential. It saddens me that it's actually three (plus one) persons who showed this lack of respect, sense and all (that my non-native english expression skills lack to point out). But still, that's nothing compared to the community as a whole. EVE Infolinks -+-áOld and new-áPortraits |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15362
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:18:00 -
[75] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:if people came forward to rat them out, people know who they are.
names will come out, eventually.
Why would anyone care who they are now? It's not like they're coming back here. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Dave Stark
5357
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:19:00 -
[76] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Dave Stark wrote:if people came forward to rat them out, people know who they are.
names will come out, eventually. Why would anyone care who they are now? It's not like they're coming back here.
curiosity. |
BadAssMcKill
ElitistOps
776
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:20:00 -
[77] - Quote
JEFFRAIDER wrote:do any of u guys ever J/O with ur buddies?
just asking
Only when my crystal gets low . |
Hasan al-Askari Mujahideen
Islamic Movement of Minmatar
16
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:21:00 -
[78] - Quote
so it was not just one person involved.... wow |
El Space Mariachi
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
85
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:22:00 -
[79] - Quote
JEFFRAIDER wrote:do any of u guys ever J/O with ur buddies?
just asking
i have a skype channel where we meet up once a week to swap stories and techniques . |
JEFFRAIDER
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
307
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:22:00 -
[80] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Dave Stark wrote:if people came forward to rat them out, people know who they are.
names will come out, eventually. Why would anyone care who they are now? It's not like they're coming back here.
wanna **** shame them |
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Masayo Gowa
Kaira Innovations Superior Eve Engineering
0
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:23:00 -
[81] - Quote
great to hear that the guilty party's have been found and punished in a way CCP see's fit for the crime they comitted.
and thanks such a quick response :) |
Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
740
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:28:00 -
[82] - Quote
Will I get in trouble if I request to have someone scratch my name out of the monument for being loosely associated with Xenuria? |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1289
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:32:00 -
[83] - Quote
mkint wrote:Bjurn Akely wrote:mkint wrote: You've never done something stupid IRL to impress your friends? When you do inevitably do something stupid to impress your friends in the future, now that there's a precedence of the consequences for honesty, are you going to come clean?
Yes. It even went to the prosecutor. But that was not in any way related to eve. In fact it was back in the -80's. What's your point? The point is, if the penalties for honesty is a harsh punishment, and the penalty for lying is, well, nothing, would you be honest? Yes. For there is only one responsible for my actions, namely me. Even if I wasn't aware of the consequences or possible later repercussions at the time of those actions.
And I have done some (in hindsight) rather stupid things irl....
ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
11879
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:36:00 -
[84] - Quote
Always sad to see that it has to come to bans, but very justified. Hopefully this is a pointer that regardless of how much pilots may dislike others in-game, taking it out of game is taking it too far.
/c
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Migui X'hyrrn
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
97
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:38:00 -
[85] - Quote
I love you so much CCP. Thanks for making this guys learn that real life stupidness has consequences.
The monument is very important as we have our names there and represents the amazing community we have. I'm glad that this individuals are no longer within us. |
Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
40
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:39:00 -
[86] - Quote
mkint wrote:Bjurn Akely wrote:mkint wrote: You've never done something stupid IRL to impress your friends? When you do inevitably do something stupid to impress your friends in the future, now that there's a precedence of the consequences for honesty, are you going to come clean?
Yes. It even went to the prosecutor. But that was not in any way related to eve. In fact it was back in the -80's. What's your point? The point is, if the penalties for honesty is a harsh punishment, and the penalty for lying is, well, nothing, would you be honest?
Honesty is always the best policy. One of the reasons if you say yes I murdered someone and I'm sorry you get slightly less term in prison (plus saving on the court time). |
Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
40
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:42:00 -
[87] - Quote
Doesn't matter how horrible someone might be, how much they scammed you, how badly they treated you or podded you, or how much someone is like nails going down a blackboard, scratching out their name on something to commemorate us all is just wrong.
Some people are just plain screwed in the head and hope they write a personal apology to the person involved.
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Lady Areola Fappington
new order logistics CODE.
1755
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:43:00 -
[88] - Quote
ISD Ezwal wrote: Yes. For there is only one responsible for my actions, namely me. Even if I wasn't aware of the consequences or possible later repercussions at the time of those actions.
And I have done some (in hindsight) rather stupid things irl....
Was one of those replying to the "Congratulations, you've been accepted to the ISD CCL team!"
I kid, I kid. The people who defaced the monument pretty much showed themselves to not be interested in being a member of the EVE community. Permaban was the appropriate way to handle it.
If you want to express your displeasure with someone, be a grownup about it and violence their space canoe in game. Don't be a child and deface something that represents all of us, even if said thing is kind of silly. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
456
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:45:00 -
[89] - Quote
Galen Darksmith wrote: And unless CCP is pressing criminal charges, I would say they have been exactly that.
If they did it would not be possible to keep the identities of the persons accused confidential. Same if they filed a civil suit against them. |
Random Interrupt
The Desolate Order Brave Collective
8
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:49:00 -
[90] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Random Interrupt wrote:This is why we can't have nice things. On the contrary; this is why we can have them. Fair enough. CCP's response is perfect and I haven't seen anyone in the community support the actions of the vandals. So, I guess maybe we can have nice things.
I just hope I get to see it in person one day. |
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mkint
1207
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:51:00 -
[91] - Quote
ISD Ezwal wrote:mkint wrote:Bjurn Akely wrote:mkint wrote: You've never done something stupid IRL to impress your friends? When you do inevitably do something stupid to impress your friends in the future, now that there's a precedence of the consequences for honesty, are you going to come clean?
Yes. It even went to the prosecutor. But that was not in any way related to eve. In fact it was back in the -80's. What's your point? The point is, if the penalties for honesty is a harsh punishment, and the penalty for lying is, well, nothing, would you be honest? Yes. For there is only one responsible for my actions, namely me. Even if I wasn't aware of the consequences or possible later repercussions at the time of those actions. And I have done some (in hindsight) rather stupid things irl.... For some reason, I suspect that people prone to vandalism or other RL crimes might not take the same view. If you confess and have a 100% chance of getting a beating, but if you deny the crap out of it, you have a chance of getting off scott free, why ever confess?
And hell, other people brought it up, so why not... why does urging a couple thousand people to drive someone to suicide not result in anything other than a slap on a wrist, but putting some marks on a chunk of metal result in "pursuing punishment to the full extent of the law"? Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
Jayem See
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
2623
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:53:00 -
[92] - Quote
Well done CCP. Thanks for keeping us updated about this.
I personally feel that the actions taken in relation to this are perfect. Good job.
Just very sorry it had to be done in the first place... Aaaaaaand relax. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5862
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:54:00 -
[93] - Quote
Glad you got the scumbags.
Now, any word on getting this repaired, and future preventative action? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10708
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:56:00 -
[94] - Quote
how many people does it take to scratch an aluminum plate
four, apparently Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Marsha Mallow
511
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:59:00 -
[95] - Quote
I can't believe no one has asked for their stuff yet
Speaking of which TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5472
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:05:00 -
[96] - Quote
Marsha Mallow wrote:I can't believe no one has asked for their stuff yet Speaking of which
I did, but suddenly: Falcon.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Gorski Car
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
275
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:09:00 -
[97] - Quote
GET REKT IRL INGAME UP AND DOWN #GORSKI4CSM https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4265138#post4265138
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Octoven
Phoenix Productions Headshot Gaming
377
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:20:00 -
[98] - Quote
It great you were able to find the individuals responsible and that appropriate measures have been taken, hopefully this can be a lesson for anyone else who may consider doing it in the future. |
scrambled
Viziam Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:24:00 -
[99] - Quote
mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk?
Being drunk is not an excuse for doing stupid things, nor is it a "well thanks for turning yourself in, have a cookie" card. At least those who turned themselves in had some sort of moral compass to aim by, but you won't escape the fact that all actions have consequences. And unfortunately, the consequence here was a permanent ban. They'll have to deal with that.
Maybe an incentive to not get plastered off their faces... |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
454
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:30:00 -
[100] - Quote
CCP should have performed an Ancient Babylonia move - "An eye for an eye."
Since they know who the real life individuals are and their in-game avatar names, if memory serves me correctly, Iceland is known for their smelting of aluminum, then a plasma cutter should be lying around somewhere. So CCP removes the plates that have their names, cleanly cut out their now banished name, and replace the open spot with a blank.
Unless CCP is already pursuing this route, those real life people unwanted by the Eve community are still apart of the monument's naming structure. |
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5474
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:39:00 -
[101] - Quote
Guttripper wrote:CCP should have performed an Ancient Babylonia move - "An eye for an eye."
Since they know who the real life individuals are and their in-game avatar names, if memory serves me correctly, Iceland is known for their smelting of aluminum, then a plasma cutter should be lying around somewhere. So CCP removes the plates that have their names, cleanly cut out their now banished name, and replace the open spot with a blank.
Unless CCP is already pursuing this route, those real life people unwanted by the Eve community are still apart of the monument's naming structure.
Obviously taking a plasma cutter to a monument created by a famous artist will only improve the piece.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
382
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:55:00 -
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JP Nakamura
Union of Intergalactic Miners and Nano Assemblers
31
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:59:00 -
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Guttripper wrote:CCP should have performed an Ancient Babylonia move - "An eye for an eye."
Since they know who the real life individuals are and their in-game avatar names, if memory serves me correctly, Iceland is known for their smelting of aluminum, then a plasma cutter should be lying around somewhere. So CCP removes the plates that have their names, cleanly cut out their now banished name, and replace the open spot with a blank.
Unless CCP is already pursuing this route, those real life people unwanted by the Eve community are still apart of the monument's naming structure.
Was actually just wondering about the idea of removing their names from the monument.
At the very least their names should be removed from the database interface for the monument so they can't be "looked up" to figure out where they are.
The only down side to this is that it might indirectly name the toons/accounts/individuals, something CCP is choosing not to do. CCP: 10+ years of Harvesting players Tears -á(latest efforts being Source Limited Edition, and Alliance Logo Revised Policies) |
Bernie Nator
4U Services Inc. Upholders
1043
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:01:00 -
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scrambled wrote:mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? Being drunk is not an excuse for doing stupid things, nor is it a "well thanks for turning yourself in, have a cookie" card. At least those who turned themselves in had some sort of moral compass to aim by, but you won't escape the fact that all actions have consequences. And unfortunately, the consequence here was a permanent ban. They'll have to deal with that. Maybe an incentive to not get plastered off their faces... That's not to say that being drunk is an excise. I know plenty of people who got sloshed at FI (self included) and didn't feel the end to deface the monument. Deface my own pride, sure, but a monument? That's low. |
TheMasterSenor
Modulated Dreams Circle-Of-Two
5
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:03:00 -
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The first act of vandalism on this monument was it being in Iceland. BAZINGA |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
3925
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:04:00 -
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If they turned themselves in, and paid to fix the damage they caused, I'd think a 6-month ban from EvE and a permaban from Fanfest would be appropriate. These are people that paid lots of RL money to travel to fanfest and take part in this game, and most likely have spent significant amounts of time and energy on this game. A permaban is akin to a life sentence away from their major hobby, which seems pretty harsh IMO.
Perhaps maybe a year ban.....
If they don't pay for the damages, or they didn't come forward, I'd recommend the harsher sentence.
Then again, I don't know the details. Perhaps this was particularly egregious, and the harsher sentence is very much called for!!
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De Veresse
One Horse Trading
4
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:07:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:[quote=Guttripper]CCP should have performed an Ancient Babylonia move - "An eye for an eye."
Since they know who the real life individuals are and their in-game avatar names, if memory serves me correctly, Iceland is known for their smelting of aluminum, then a plasma cutter should be lying around somewhere. So CCP removes the plates that have their names, cleanly cut out their now banished name, and replace the open spot with a blank.
Unless CCP is already pursuing this route, those real life people unwanted by the Eve community are still apart of the monument's naming structure.
Obviously taking a plasma cutter to a monument created by a famous artist will only improve the piece.
Erm... this is a good point, the obvious thing - and probably quickest/cheapest, is to remove the said plate and remake. Looking at the pictures on the web they look VERY firmly secured and the scratching deep. All I can say is good luck to the poor bugger who has to fix it.
My suggestion is get the child who did the damage to polish them out the old way - with ever finer grades of wet and dry and a final polish with a bit of rouge on a duster, that's a good days work.
Oh, make them do it during winter. |
Artyom Estemaire
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
2
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:08:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:
As such, three individuals have been permanently removed from the EVE Community. A total of 7 EVE Online accounts, and 1 DUST 514 account belonging to them have been permanently banned. Another individual who was indirectly involved in the vandalism has received a 6 month ban from EVE Online on their sole registered account.
I feel like I'm missing something, did they catch the people who did this? Were there several persons involved? |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
1111
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:15:00 -
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mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk?
Being drunk isn't an excuse. I'm glad they got what they deserved. Wish they would have named names so we could all tell them how moronic they were. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9603
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:18:00 -
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Artyom Estemaire wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:
As such, three individuals have been permanently removed from the EVE Community. A total of 7 EVE Online accounts, and 1 DUST 514 account belonging to them have been permanently banned. Another individual who was indirectly involved in the vandalism has received a 6 month ban from EVE Online on their sole registered account.
I feel like I'm missing something, did they catch the people who did this? Were there several persons involved? Did you actually read the part you quoted? "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5474
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:23:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Artyom Estemaire wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:
As such, three individuals have been permanently removed from the EVE Community. A total of 7 EVE Online accounts, and 1 DUST 514 account belonging to them have been permanently banned. Another individual who was indirectly involved in the vandalism has received a 6 month ban from EVE Online on their sole registered account.
I feel like I'm missing something, did they catch the people who did this? Were there several persons involved? Did you actually read the part you quoted?
Not with those mirror sunglasses.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1055
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:26:00 -
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Andski wrote:how many people does it take to scratch an aluminum plate
four, apparently
The fact that 4 person were involved make it all that much more stupid TBH. None of those 4 person were able to use their brain and think "Maybe that's not a good thing to do.". Either that or it was too much effort to do it alone...
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Can you name and shame the characters? Nothing more, just character names. Probably not, but this seems like a situation where identifying the people who did this by their in-game characters would be cool. Name and shame is probably appropriate here.
Beside out of game retaliation which are something nobody should be advocating for, WTF are you gonna do with a character name on a banned account?
The only reason why the person won't be named is to be sure no one goes on a crusade IRL toward them. |
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
346
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:26:00 -
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Good to know we're rid of them. |
mkint
1209
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:29:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Can you name and shame the characters? Nothing more, just character names. Probably not, but this seems like a situation where identifying the people who did this by their in-game characters would be cool. Name and shame is probably appropriate here. While my curiosity is itching, I don't think that's a good idea. Since they are perma-banned, what could be gained, except harassing their corp/alliance who did the right thing by turning them in? Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1015
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:38:00 -
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mkint wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Can you name and shame the characters? Nothing more, just character names. Probably not, but this seems like a situation where identifying the people who did this by their in-game characters would be cool. Name and shame is probably appropriate here. While my curiosity is itching, I don't think that's a good idea. Since they are perma-banned, what could be gained, except harassing their corp/alliance who did the right thing by turning them in?
People who go around harassing people could eat the banhammer too. This game is good when you have robust villains. People who were nuked for vandalism carries a good amount of infamy.
Also I'm just curious.
And nobody should dog on the corp/alliance because all signs point to them being pretty intolerant of that noise. |
hnfnfhfthfth fthftjhnjfjf
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:42:00 -
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>only cfc and pets are complaining about the permaban >cfc and pets were the first to retweet that fake gevlon account
GEEE I wonder who did it ?! Can you guys guess ?
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9603
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:47:00 -
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hnfnfhfthfth fthftjhnjfjf wrote: This doesn't really explain the part where the perp's own alliance mates turned them in. That being the case it doesn't make much sense for us to then complain about them being banned too long, or for that matter try to frame Gevlon in the first place.
The only objections to the permaban are on the basis that leniency should have been applied for any perp that turned themselves/the others in. Carrot and stick more easily gets a mule to move than just the stick. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1055
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:51:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:hnfnfhfthfth fthftjhnjfjf wrote: This doesn't really explain the part where the perp's own alliance mates turned them in. That being the case it doesn't make much sense for us to then complain about them being banned too long, or for that matter try to frame Gevlon in the first place. The only objections to the permaban are on the basis that leniency should have been applied for any perp that turned themselves/the others in. Carrot and stick more easily gets a mule to move than just the stick.
While I see your point, we don't know if any carrot were given for turning themselves in. |
Xenuria
The Scope Gallente Federation
848
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Posted - 2014.05.07 21:01:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:What steps has CCP taken (or plans to take) to prevent future abuse/vandalism of the monument? This is something I would also like to know. If something like this happened once than it can potentially happen again.
I also have a question, the people that got banned permanently from EvE; can I have their stuff? CSM 9 Candidate Philanthropist Polymath Savant Hero |
scrambled
Viziam Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2014.05.07 21:02:00 -
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Bernie Nator wrote:scrambled wrote:mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? Being drunk is not an excuse for doing stupid things, nor is it a "well thanks for turning yourself in, have a cookie" card. At least those who turned themselves in had some sort of moral compass to aim by, but you won't escape the fact that all actions have consequences. And unfortunately, the consequence here was a permanent ban. They'll have to deal with that. Maybe an incentive to not get plastered off their faces... That's not to say that being drunk is an excise. I know plenty of people who got sloshed at FI (self included) and didn't feel the end to deface the monument. Deface my own pride, sure, but a monument? That's low.
Well not saying that getting drunk is bad, just that people tend to put any sort of moral inhibitions aside when they are. Been there, done that, got a t-shirt too. It's just that many people will use the "yeah but I was drunk" excuse and expect to be let off without anything happening.
Actions have consequences; I mean, the consequences of you getting totally sloshed are your pride being a tad injured I think (and probably video/photo evidence of it being available too :P) and that's fine, it doesn't hurt anyone else but yourself.
Deciding you're going to **** up a monument because apparently internet spaceships are still serious business.... well. That's not just low, that's really, really, bloody stupid. And I hate that people argue that permanent bans are too harsh because "whoever did it was drunk". So what, they still did it. Live with the consequences I say :D |
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Guth'Alak
EVE University Ivy League
2
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Posted - 2014.05.07 21:10:00 -
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mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? First of all, do you think that someone should be given any leniency just because they were drunk when they commited the crime? and second, isnt it possible that the punishment could have been far worst than what they would have recieved if they hadnt have confessed? in other words - how do you know they didnt go easy on them? |
McBorsk
Multispace Technologies Inc Yulai Federation
32
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Posted - 2014.05.07 21:12:00 -
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Well handled. |
Ian Morbius
10
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Posted - 2014.05.07 21:12:00 -
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They got off easy. Now, these guys not so easy.
Red-zone vandals jailed for two years
Mind you they did, "setting a quake-damaged house alight and destroying tens of thousands of dollars' worth of property at the other homes," and plead guilty to 11 charges of burglary. They're now hard time vandals.
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Lady Aesir
Ghost Recon Inc
7
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Posted - 2014.05.07 21:23:00 -
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Nice speedy and appropriate action by CCP on this issue.
I Hope CCP gets financial restitution from the idiots who caused the damage to cover all repairs to the monument. |
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CCP Falcon
6970
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Posted - 2014.05.07 21:26:00 -
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Xenuria wrote:Doc Fury wrote:What steps has CCP taken (or plans to take) to prevent future abuse/vandalism of the monument? This is something I would also like to know. If something like this happened once than it can potentially happen again. I also have a question, the people that got banned permanently from EvE; can I have their stuff?
We're obviously not going to reveal if, when or what we're going to do in terms of boosting security around the monument, but you can rest assured that we'll make sure that things are covered.
i'm still sick to my stomach that someone would have done this to be perfectly honest, and I'm glad that we were able to solve the situation.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9604
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Posted - 2014.05.07 21:29:00 -
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I read that this wasn't the only incident where the monument was damaged, just the only one where the perp decided to publicly brag about doing it. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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admiral root
Red Galaxy Disband.
1179
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Posted - 2014.05.07 21:38:00 -
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Andski wrote:how many people does it take to scratch an aluminum plate
four, apparently
Must have been highsec carebears :P No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9604
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Posted - 2014.05.07 21:42:00 -
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admiral root wrote:Andski wrote:how many people does it take to scratch an aluminum plate
four, apparently Must have been highsec carebears :P Scratching out names on a monument is like the epitome of pubbiedom. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
151
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Posted - 2014.05.07 22:00:00 -
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If their alliance mates shopped them I can count on their names not being secret for long. |
Dieu LeVeut
Tribuo Quod Victum The AirShip Pirates
3
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Posted - 2014.05.07 22:07:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Trish Tokila wrote:mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? Instead of facing international criminal charges, potentially spending time in real-person jail, and outrageous fines to replace this, the player can no longer play this online video game. Not only that, but CCP won't tell the community who to lynch. Yeah, he's quite lucky that CCP has taken a lighter approach on this. A much more heavy fisted approach would not be out of line in this scenario. Remember, he didn't blow someone's spaceship up without their consent. He's committed actually serious crime. In a world that's actually real whether we want it to be or not. Pretty much this, and being drunk is a defence that won't stand in any court that I know of. The monument defence force for next years FanFest will look like this.
Wait, what? Only ONE Lefty, in the whole group? ;) |
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Locke DieDrake
The Arrow Project
16
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Posted - 2014.05.07 22:12:00 -
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mkint wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Trish Tokila wrote:mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? Instead of facing international criminal charges, potentially spending time in real-person jail, and outrageous fines to replace this, the player can no longer play this online video game. Not only that, but CCP won't tell the community who to lynch. Yeah, he's quite lucky that CCP has taken a lighter approach on this. A much more heavy fisted approach would not be out of line in this scenario. Remember, he didn't blow someone's spaceship up without their consent. He's committed actually serious crime. In a world that's actually real whether we want it to be or not. Pretty much this, and being drunk is a defence that won't stand in a any court that I know of. Just to be clear... you think any country would extradite someone over vandalism? Isn't that just a misdemeanor? They might get perma-banned from iceland, but be realistic. Most people don't consider vandalism to be that big a deal (unless it happens to themselves.)
You sound young. No offense, but adults that actually own things take vandalism pretty seriously.
I can tell you had I found someone defacing my property in the middle of the night, they would be DAMN lucky to only be arrested for it. Frankly, a little pistol whipping isn't outside the possibilities.
Will someone be extradited? No, not likely, but a British or US citizen might find themselves in a court of proxy being charged in absentia. It happens every day. I know nothing about icelandic law, but if it's anything like US or British law, the offenders are in for a world of hurt.
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Ritsum
ubiquitous hurt Exodus.
282
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Posted - 2014.05.07 22:14:00 -
[132] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:What steps has CCP taken (or plans to take) to prevent future abuse/vandalism of the monument?
Gunnar Nelson now stands guard 24/7.
Also good to see this get resolved. Play EvE how you want to play it and do not let others dictate how you play. Evolve your playstyle to protect yourself from others! Even in "PVE", "PVP" is there, lurking in the shadows. |
Graabeerd Khagah
ImaNicePirate.com Real Alliance Such Relevance
136
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Posted - 2014.05.07 22:36:00 -
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@CCP Falcon, I am sitting here feeling your pain and want to let you know I share it with you. You and the rest have done so much that we don't give you credit for and yet this had to happen. But in all honesty CCP and Eveonline will move forwards, it will move forwards now to greater heights never before imaginable in so many ways.
And to all here, lets bury this subject now and move on to what is going to be another exciting chapter in the history of Eve.
Admiral Graabeerd Khagan CEO ImaNicePirate.com |
Maria Firn
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.05.07 22:37:00 -
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mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk?
Really ? you think it was too harsh ? sorry but it was too lenient a sentence.
This sends a clear message that being an asshat and a douchebag will not be tolerated. Maybe those members of the community that like to take things to the extreme and seek attention will re-evaluate their behaviour in and out of game as well as their behaviour to other members of the community who have until now tolerated them and their actions.
Not mentioning names but its a shame that there are still a known bunch of dicks in the game who continue to tolerate and harass others who just want to play Eve and enjoy the game. Its about time CCP took a zero tolerance approach on harassment and bullying especially when it crosses over into the real world. |
Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
320
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Posted - 2014.05.07 22:43:00 -
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mkint wrote:For some reason, I suspect that people prone to vandalism or other RL crimes might not take the same view. If you confess and have a 100% chance of getting a beating, but if you deny the crap out of it, you have a chance of getting off scott free, why ever confess?
And hell, other people brought it up, so why not... why does urging a couple thousand people to drive someone to suicide not result in anything other than a slap on a wrist, but putting some marks on a chunk of metal result in "pursuing punishment to the full extent of the law"? Maybe those people who are "prone to vandalism" should consider not destroying other people's property? Or is that not an option for them?
I'm happy to finally see a delicate situation that CCP actually handled well. Psychotic Monk and DJ FunkyBacon for CSM! |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
1098
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Posted - 2014.05.07 22:48:00 -
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Xenuria wrote: I also have a question, the people that got banned permanently from EvE; can I have their stuff?
Since all banned assets are handed to Dr.E's box of toys you'll have to wait for the good Doctor to rage quit and hand out all the goodies ...
CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
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MotherSammy
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2014.05.07 22:53:00 -
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Maria Firn wrote:
This sends a clear message that being an asshat and a douchebag will not be tolerated. Maybe those members of the community that like to take things to the extreme and seek attention will re-evaluate their behaviour in and out of game as well as their behaviour to other members of the community who have until now tolerated them and their actions.
Not mentioning names but its a shame that there are still a known bunch of dicks in the game who continue to tolerate and harass others who just want to play Eve and enjoy the game. Its about time CCP took a zero tolerance approach on harassment and bullying especially when it crosses over into the real world.
You're straying dangerously close to off-topic, rebel.
Good work on handling this CCP. |
Arokh
Ethereal Spectrum
3
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Posted - 2014.05.07 22:53:00 -
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Maria Firn wrote:mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? Really ? you think it was too harsh ? sorry but it was too lenient a sentence. This sends a clear message that being an asshat and a douchebag will not be tolerated. Maybe those members of the community that like to take things to the extreme and seek attention will re-evaluate their behaviour in and out of game as well as their behaviour to other members of the community who have until now tolerated them and their actions. Not mentioning names but its a shame that there are still a known bunch of dicks in the game who continue to tolerate and harass others who just want to play Eve and enjoy the game. Its about time CCP took a zero tolerance approach on harassment and bullying especially when it crosses over into the real world. However I believe the point is that CCP did offer an olive branch to encourage the guilty party/parties to turn themselves in and thus far from all we've been told it would appear that didn't really benefit them over the ones that tried to hide from their crime, so there was no real reason for them to do so despite CCP seeming to imply there would be. It would just be nice if someone from CCP could detail what they did for those that voluntarily turned themselves in so if anything like this were to happen again CCP would have the credibility to make a similar offer.
Aside from that, I could go into detail about how CCP seems very inconsistent with their supposed "zero tolerance" but CCP will do whatever they ultimately want to do even if it smells a bit of double standards. |
hnfnfhfthfth fthftjhnjfjf
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:00:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:hnfnfhfthfth fthftjhnjfjf wrote: This doesn't really explain the part where the perp's own alliance mates turned them in. That being the case it doesn't make much sense for us to then complain about them being banned too long, or for that matter try to frame Gevlon in the first place. The only objections to the permaban are on the basis that leniency should have been applied for any perp that turned themselves/the others in. Carrot and stick more easily gets a mule to move than just the stick.
Of course they had to turn them in, it's gone too far (police, investigation etc) even for "meta"gaming and "le epik troling jok im drunk XDDDDDD".
This is what we get when people casually steal flags and put stickers on that same monument with no consequences.
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3299
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:00:00 -
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Arokh wrote:However I believe the point is that CCP did offer an olive branch to encourage the guilty party/parties to turn themselves in and thus far from all we've been told it would appear that didn't really benefit them over the ones that tried to hide from their crime, so there was no real reason for them to do so despite CCP seeming to imply there would be. It would just be nice if someone from CCP could detail what they did for those that voluntarily turned themselves in so if anything like this were to happen again CCP would have the credibility to make a similar offer.
Aside from that, I could go into detail about how CCP seems very inconsistent with their supposed "zero tolerance" but CCP will do whatever they ultimately want to do even if it smells a bit of double standards. You have no idea what happened, who got how much lenience for what because none of those details were actually given out. Your whole argument is based on a big fat assumption, with emphasis on ass. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
752
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:01:00 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? In real world (where the monument resides), actions actually have consequences. You want to turn yourself in? Good for having a spine. Want to run away forever? Coward.
Own up = right thing to do. Not own up = logical thing to do. Ethics and logic overlap sometimes, but aren't interchangeable. Run away forever? Winner! Roaring with laughter!!
This was a lame and childish incident, to hear there was more than one involved is more of a bummer. People calling for beatings and such is even sillier. All over now, first post in this thread was pro, thanx.
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Arokh
Ethereal Spectrum
3
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:04:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:You have no idea what happened, who got how much lenience for what because none of those details were actually given out. Your whole argument is based on a big fat assumption, with emphasis on ass. Exactly, nobody knows what happened, so if the perception is that all vandals were treated equal would it not benefit CCP to detail what they did different for those who turned themselves in? If courts regularly appeared to dishonor plea bargains, then nobody would accept them, and that doesn't help anybody.
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3299
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:06:00 -
[143] - Quote
Arokh wrote:the perception You mean "your perception". You see what you want to see just to have an argument.
Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Arokh
Ethereal Spectrum
3
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:08:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Arokh wrote:the perception You mean "your perception". You see what you want to see just to have an argument.
No, I mean "reading the thread and finding plenty of posts with similar questions". But you can believe what you wish. :B |
Luxotor
Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity
52
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:10:00 -
[145] - Quote
Happy about the proactive approach CCP has taken to this issue. THE NIGHT IS DARK AND FULL OF TERRORS! |
Sahriah BloodStone
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
28
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:24:00 -
[146] - Quote
Well done CCP. My only hope is that you also force them to pay for the repairs
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Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1015
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:30:00 -
[147] - Quote
hnfnfhfthfth fthftjhnjfjf wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:hnfnfhfthfth fthftjhnjfjf wrote: This doesn't really explain the part where the perp's own alliance mates turned them in. That being the case it doesn't make much sense for us to then complain about them being banned too long, or for that matter try to frame Gevlon in the first place. The only objections to the permaban are on the basis that leniency should have been applied for any perp that turned themselves/the others in. Carrot and stick more easily gets a mule to move than just the stick. Of course they had to turn them in, it's gone too far (police, investigation etc) even for "meta"gaming and "le epik troling jok im drunk XDDDDDD". This is what we get when people casually steal flags and put stickers on that same monument with no consequences. You're not a very smart person, huh? |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9604
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:49:00 -
[148] - Quote
hnfnfhfthfth fthftjhnjfjf wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:hnfnfhfthfth fthftjhnjfjf wrote: This doesn't really explain the part where the perp's own alliance mates turned them in. That being the case it doesn't make much sense for us to then complain about them being banned too long, or for that matter try to frame Gevlon in the first place. The only objections to the permaban are on the basis that leniency should have been applied for any perp that turned themselves/the others in. Carrot and stick more easily gets a mule to move than just the stick. Of course they had to turn them in, it's gone too far (police, investigation etc) even for "meta"gaming and "le epik troling jok im drunk XDDDDDD". This is what we get when people casually steal flags and put stickers on that same monument with no consequences. Those actions actually have no real consequences for anyone (I'm not fully versed on what the flag thing was, but from what I read it was just a harmless game some people got too angry over... kind of like this one). It doesn't make sense to make consequences for an action that hurts nobody. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Merlin Sotken
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:51:00 -
[149] - Quote
mkint wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Trish Tokila wrote:mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? Instead of facing international criminal charges, potentially spending time in real-person jail, and outrageous fines to replace this, the player can no longer play this online video game. Not only that, but CCP won't tell the community who to lynch. Yeah, he's quite lucky that CCP has taken a lighter approach on this. A much more heavy fisted approach would not be out of line in this scenario. Remember, he didn't blow someone's spaceship up without their consent. He's committed actually serious crime. In a world that's actually real whether we want it to be or not. Pretty much this, and being drunk is a defence that won't stand in a any court that I know of. Just to be clear... you think any country would extradite someone over vandalism? Isn't that just a misdemeanor? They might get perma-banned from iceland, but be realistic. Most people don't consider vandalism to be that big a deal (unless it happens to themselves.)
Depends on local laws. In the US if damages exceed a certain amount it is considered a felony not a misdemeanor. |
Carmen Electra
Drunk Chaos Blood.Drunk
387
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:52:00 -
[150] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:It's with a heavy heart that I have to speak...
CCP Falcon wrote:i'm still sick to my stomach...
Falcon, this sort of language is pretty dramatic to describe a video game monument getting keyed.
Vandalizing your monument is certainly not something I would have done, but I can't be the only one to notice some hypocrisy or at least a little irony in this situation.
Setting aside the fact that CCP felt the need to build a monument to its players reminiscent of a war memorial, it seems odd that there would be this kind of outrage over someone taking a coin to your monument when you encourage all your players to "Be The Villain". |
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Cole Terr
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:53:00 -
[151] - Quote
mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk?
I don't disagree, but this may have been a case of "If you turn yourself in, you won't prosecute you".
If this game is important enough to these perpetrators, that they would deface the monument, then a permaban would probably hurt just as much, if not more so than being prosecuted. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9604
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Posted - 2014.05.07 23:56:00 -
[152] - Quote
Carmen Electra wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:It's with a heavy heart that I have to speak... CCP Falcon wrote:i'm still sick to my stomach... Falcon, this sort of language is pretty dramatic to describe a video game monument getting keyed. Vandalizing your monument is certainly not something I would have done, but I can't be the only one to notice some hypocrisy or at least a little irony in this situation. Setting aside the fact that CCP felt the need to build a monument to its players reminiscent of a war memorial, it seems odd that there would be this kind of outrage over someone taking a coin to your monument when you encourage all your players to "Be The Villain". Why do people keep posting this tripe? It seems to me the ones pointing fingers are having an even harder time understanding the difference between real life and a game than any in-game villain. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
2846
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Posted - 2014.05.08 00:04:00 -
[153] - Quote
Definitely do not name them.
We all saw the threats of RL violence made toward Erotica 1 after Ripard's witchhunt. This would probably be worse.
No comments on how suitable the punishment is because I simply do not know all the facts. Set the universe on fire - then sell the survivors ash. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. If you want to mine in highsec, read www.minerbumping.com. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5486
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Posted - 2014.05.08 00:11:00 -
[154] - Quote
Carmen Electra wrote: it seems odd that there would be this kind of outrage over someone taking a coin to your monument when you encourage all your players to "Be The Villain".
This isn't 'Nam... there are rules. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Carmen Electra
Drunk Chaos Blood.Drunk
387
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Posted - 2014.05.08 00:16:00 -
[155] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:It's with a heavy heart that I have to speak... CCP Falcon wrote:i'm still sick to my stomach... Falcon, this sort of language is pretty dramatic to describe a video game monument getting keyed. Vandalizing your monument is certainly not something I would have done, but I can't be the only one to notice some hypocrisy or at least a little irony in this situation. Setting aside the fact that CCP felt the need to build a monument to its players reminiscent of a war memorial, it seems odd that there would be this kind of outrage over someone taking a coin to your monument when you encourage all your players to "Be The Villain". Why do people keep posting this tripe? It seems to me the ones pointing fingers are having an even harder time understanding the difference between real life and a game than any in-game villain.
I'm not justifying any kind of bad behavior. Simply pointing out that the average EVE player is not exactly a boy scout. Let's not act all shocked that an act of vandalism occurred.
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Pepper Solette
University of Caille Gallente Federation
374
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Posted - 2014.05.08 00:40:00 -
[156] - Quote
Welcome to the real world where action have consequences.
I sincerely hope that they do have to pay for the damage.
Good riddance to the idiots. |
mkint
1209
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Posted - 2014.05.08 00:43:00 -
[157] - Quote
scrambled wrote:Bernie Nator wrote:scrambled wrote:mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? Being drunk is not an excuse for doing stupid things, nor is it a "well thanks for turning yourself in, have a cookie" card. At least those who turned themselves in had some sort of moral compass to aim by, but you won't escape the fact that all actions have consequences. And unfortunately, the consequence here was a permanent ban. They'll have to deal with that. Maybe an incentive to not get plastered off their faces... That's not to say that being drunk is an excise. I know plenty of people who got sloshed at FI (self included) and didn't feel the end to deface the monument. Deface my own pride, sure, but a monument? That's low. Well not saying that getting drunk is bad, just that people tend to put any sort of moral inhibitions aside when they are. Been there, done that, got a t-shirt too. It's just that many people will use the "yeah but I was drunk" excuse and expect to be let off without anything happening. Actions have consequences; I mean, the consequences of you getting totally sloshed are your pride being a tad injured I think (and probably video/photo evidence of it being available too :P) and that's fine, it doesn't hurt anyone else but yourself. Deciding you're going to **** up a monument because apparently internet spaceships are still serious business.... well. That's not just low, that's really, really, bloody stupid. And I hate that people argue that permanent bans are too harsh because "whoever did it was drunk". So what, they still did it. Live with the consequences I say :D I'm not actually arguing that anything was okay. It was stupid. In fact, everything about it was stupid. I think building the monument itself was stupid. Letting an in-game argument or whatever spill over into real life was stupid. Reacting to it by defacing private property was stupid. Since it was a group, they were probably trying to impress eachother, which was stupid, and because it was fanfest, they were probably more drunk than they could handle, which was stupid. I think how CCP's inconsistent handling how stuff spills into the real world is especially stupid.
My only point of argument is that it appears that whoever chose to be honest isn't getting any leniency over those that chose to try to cover it up. There's been no dev comment to clear it up, but there's some pretty strong indications that they are going for the harshest punishments they've ever concocted for everyone involved. They don't take murder threats this seriously. (literally. I've tried to get help about a murder threat, and got a standard form letter and closed petition.) And the lesson here is... don't get caught. Because that seems to be the only part of this that matters. Maxim 34: If you're leaving scorch-marks, you need a bigger gun. |
Yumiko Shaku
Trigger's Broom PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
5
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Posted - 2014.05.08 00:44:00 -
[158] - Quote
TheMercenaryKing wrote:Is the Icelandic judicial system involved? I know it's a crime, but how far is CCP going? Do you know the politics and cost involved in perusing a case of vandelism internationally, it's not worth the effort for the police I doubt they'll persue criminal proceedings. |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
752
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Posted - 2014.05.08 00:46:00 -
[159] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:It's with a heavy heart that I have to speak... CCP Falcon wrote:i'm still sick to my stomach... Falcon, this sort of language is pretty dramatic to describe a video game monument getting keyed. Vandalizing your monument is certainly not something I would have done, but I can't be the only one to notice some hypocrisy or at least a little irony in this situation. Setting aside the fact that CCP felt the need to build a monument to its players reminiscent of a war memorial, it seems odd that there would be this kind of outrage over someone taking a coin to your monument when you encourage all your players to "Be The Villain". Why do people keep posting this tripe? It seems to me the ones pointing fingers are having an even harder time understanding the difference between real life and a game than any in-game villain.
MAYBE some of them have some heavy responsibilities or work in an environment where there's a chance of injury or death. They log on and see nerds herfing and blerfing and it just doesn't resonate with them. Whatever, don't try to deny them their views, remember this is a lame and petty thing.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Yumiko Shaku
Trigger's Broom PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
5
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Posted - 2014.05.08 00:46:00 -
[160] - Quote
mkint wrote:scrambled wrote:Bernie Nator wrote:scrambled wrote:mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? Being drunk is not an excuse for doing stupid things, nor is it a "well thanks for turning yourself in, have a cookie" card. At least those who turned themselves in had some sort of moral compass to aim by, but you won't escape the fact that all actions have consequences. And unfortunately, the consequence here was a permanent ban. They'll have to deal with that. Maybe an incentive to not get plastered off their faces... That's not to say that being drunk is an excise. I know plenty of people who got sloshed at FI (self included) and didn't feel the end to deface the monument. Deface my own pride, sure, but a monument? That's low. Well not saying that getting drunk is bad, just that people tend to put any sort of moral inhibitions aside when they are. Been there, done that, got a t-shirt too. It's just that many people will use the "yeah but I was drunk" excuse and expect to be let off without anything happening. Actions have consequences; I mean, the consequences of you getting totally sloshed are your pride being a tad injured I think (and probably video/photo evidence of it being available too :P) and that's fine, it doesn't hurt anyone else but yourself. Deciding you're going to **** up a monument because apparently internet spaceships are still serious business.... well. That's not just low, that's really, really, bloody stupid. And I hate that people argue that permanent bans are too harsh because "whoever did it was drunk". So what, they still did it. Live with the consequences I say :D I'm not actually arguing that anything was okay. It was stupid. In fact, everything about it was stupid. I think building the monument itself was stupid. Letting an in-game argument or whatever spill over into real life was stupid. Reacting to it by defacing private property was stupid. Since it was a group, they were probably trying to impress eachother, which was stupid, and because it was fanfest, they were probably more drunk than they could handle, which was stupid. I think how CCP's inconsistent handling how stuff spills into the real world is especially stupid. My only point of argument is that it appears that whoever chose to be honest isn't getting any leniency over those that chose to try to cover it up. There's been no dev comment to clear it up, but there's some pretty strong indications that they are going for the harshest punishments they've ever concocted for everyone involved. They don't take murder threats this seriously. (literally. I've tried to get help about a murder threat, and got a standard form letter and closed petition.) And the lesson here is... don't get caught. Because that seems to be the only part of this that matters.
CCP stated that if they owned up they'd be lenient but by the sound of what Falcon posted they didn't own up some alliance members grassed them up, they probably went bragging on Mumble/TS about it before it all kicked off and someone who was on mumble at the time reported them.
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Lady Areola Fappington
new order logistics CODE.
1761
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Posted - 2014.05.08 00:52:00 -
[161] - Quote
Carmen Electra wrote: I'm not justifying any kind of bad behavior. Simply pointing out that the average EVE player is not exactly a boy scout. Let's not act all shocked that an act of vandalism occurred.
The average Eve player (the one's going to Iceland), have shown themselves to be generally kind, courteous, and polite people who are quite nice and fun to hang around. Reports from businesses around Fanfest were glowing with praise at what a great group of people we are.
The vast majority of us "not exactly a boy scout" types know that internet spaceships are a video game. You leave your conflict in the game where it belongs.
It's almost always the "Hurrdurr EVE is real (and it's my second job) gotta mine dis ore to buy my plex ganking is literal murder PVP=sociopathy" types who end up being the one's who take things too far, over and over again.
So yeah, this is a little bit of a shock, and I honestly don't think the nature of EVE has anything to do with it. Jerks be jerks everywhere, and had it been Disliked Person X, and their name on a WoW monument, I'm almost certain the cretins would pull exactly the same stunt. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3612
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Posted - 2014.05.08 01:00:00 -
[162] - Quote
Carmen Electra wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:It's with a heavy heart that I have to speak... CCP Falcon wrote:i'm still sick to my stomach... Falcon, this sort of language is pretty dramatic to describe a video game monument getting keyed. Vandalizing your monument is certainly not something I would have done, but I can't be the only one to notice some hypocrisy or at least a little irony in this situation. Setting aside the fact that CCP felt the need to build a monument to its players reminiscent of a war memorial, it seems odd that there would be this kind of outrage over someone taking a coin to your monument when you encourage all your players to "Be The Villain".
Just because you don't feel as passionate about the monument doesn't mean that the language is hyperbole. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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JC Anderson
State Protectorate Caldari State
1092
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Posted - 2014.05.08 01:16:00 -
[163] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? The guys that turned themselves in only got permabanned.
Yeah I don't think many people realize that it IS giving them a break by letting them off with a permaban.
The alternative was getting the police and courts involved. |
JC Anderson
State Protectorate Caldari State
1092
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Posted - 2014.05.08 01:18:00 -
[164] - Quote
mkint wrote:Marcus Trial wrote:mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? The soft response CCP took here was to ban the guy instead of letting the police investigate the matter any further. So the lesson is to be better at not getting caught? It's not like any government is going to extradite someone to iceland over vandalism. Vandalism laws are barely even enforced in most US cities, unless there's assault charges involved too. I mean, it's not like there's never going to be real world crimes involved in EVE ever again. I would definitely not mind seeing the guys beat black and blue over it, but bruises fade, but permabans are forever.
The monument is the property of the city, as CCP donated it to them. It wasn't simply vandalizing CCP's private property.
Also consider the money that went into this. The Artist they hired is NOT a nobody and is fairly well known in the art world.
Finally, in one of Falcon's updates he did mention that people personally visited CCP HQ with info on their alliance mate, and this was well after Fanfest was over.
So I wouldn't be surprised if the guilty party was a local (local to CCP) eve player. |
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
334
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Posted - 2014.05.08 01:20:00 -
[165] - Quote
Glad to see the villains were apprehended. In-game beefs should stay precisely that - in-game beefs. I would hope that were I to meet even my worst enemy in the game in a real-life setting, we'd be able to grab some beers together and share some stories and laughs as friends. Eve is real, but it also isn't - some people need to learn that a game is just a game and that bringing negative stuff to irl just isn't cool. |
JC Anderson
State Protectorate Caldari State
1092
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Posted - 2014.05.08 01:26:00 -
[166] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:What steps has CCP taken (or plans to take) to prevent future abuse/vandalism of the monument?
Not to mention that it's in the harbor and exposed to the elements. :/
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Lady Areola Fappington
new order logistics CODE.
1762
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Posted - 2014.05.08 01:29:00 -
[167] - Quote
Money Makin Mitch wrote:Glad to see the villains were apprehended. In-game beefs should stay precisely that - in-game beefs. I would hope that were I to meet even my worst enemy in the game in a real-life setting, we'd be able to grab some beers together and share some stories and laughs as friends. Eve is real, but it also isn't - some people need to learn that a game is just a game and that bringing negative stuff to irl just isn't cool.
Couldn't agree more, and I wish I had more likes to give. You could be my sworn enemy in EVE, -10 and target for eternity...but the second we hit that log out button, we're both just EVE players. We share a hobby, and even (sane) people in other competitive hobbies leave the competition at the door when it's time to throw back and get together. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
905
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Posted - 2014.05.08 01:33:00 -
[168] - Quote
I'm happy that this embarassment to the community can be put behind us now.
However, there's a niggling feeling in the back of my mind that this won't be the last drama surrounding the monument in the years to come. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9604
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Posted - 2014.05.08 01:54:00 -
[169] - Quote
Chopper Rollins wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:It's with a heavy heart that I have to speak... CCP Falcon wrote:i'm still sick to my stomach... Falcon, this sort of language is pretty dramatic to describe a video game monument getting keyed. Vandalizing your monument is certainly not something I would have done, but I can't be the only one to notice some hypocrisy or at least a little irony in this situation. Setting aside the fact that CCP felt the need to build a monument to its players reminiscent of a war memorial, it seems odd that there would be this kind of outrage over someone taking a coin to your monument when you encourage all your players to "Be The Villain". Why do people keep posting this tripe? It seems to me the ones pointing fingers are having an even harder time understanding the difference between real life and a game than any in-game villain. MAYBE some of them have some heavy responsibilities or work in an environment where there's a chance of injury or death. They log on and see nerds herfing and blerfing and it just doesn't resonate with them. Whatever, don't try to deny them their views, remember this is a lame and petty thing. I never said it wasn't. My point is that this isn't a result of the game's culture, since past Fanfests have demonstrated that a culture of devious criminality in the game doesn't actually translate into real life. When a lot of people gather in groups, sometimes a few of them do something stupid. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Entity
X-Factor Industries Synthetic Existence
711
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Posted - 2014.05.08 01:57:00 -
[170] - Quote
Money Makin Mitch wrote:Glad to see the villains were apprehended. In-game beefs should stay precisely that - in-game beefs. I would hope that were I to meet even my worst enemy in the game in a real-life setting, we'd be able to grab some beers together and share some stories and laughs as friends. Eve is real, but it also isn't - some people need to learn that a game is just a game and that bringing negative stuff to irl just isn't cool.
^ this.
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
573
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Posted - 2014.05.08 03:52:00 -
[171] - Quote
Destination SkillQueue wrote:TheMercenaryKing wrote:Is the Icelandic judicial system involved? I know it's a crime, but how far is CCP going? That is probably an issue between CCP, the criminal system and the accused. We don't have any need to know.
Whether we need to or not, it something does come down will be come a matter of public record...
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
5
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Posted - 2014.05.08 03:56:00 -
[172] - Quote
I have like most been following this to the minute as this came out just a few days ago. No trolling please. First off CCP has to set a tone, which they did, of what expectations you would see if there was an issue that resulted in a harrassment towards another player. The situation is obviously elevated due to the fact of the destruction of EVE/CCP property. I am not going to beat a dead horse. Although it may seem harsh it seems they are closing the issues at hand and moving on. In which case we all should. Some of you may think, "shouls the council have been involved?" My opinion... No. Not that they wouldn't have done their due dilligence but that this was a direct attack on CCP and they are the proverbial king of this universe. I applaude CCP with their quick reaction. Their public manners in keeping the names of the accused protected. Avoiding the knee jerk reaction to immidiately blame a player with the same name. Also their hearing the cries of wanting justice for this pathetic display of human character. I applaude the people who came forward as I would have done the same. I think everyone here is satisfied with the outcome. Now lets get back to work and pop some reds. -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
573
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Posted - 2014.05.08 03:57:00 -
[173] - Quote
Trish Tokila wrote:mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? Instead of facing international criminal charges, potentially spending time in real-person jail, and outrageous fines to replace this, the player can no longer play this online video game. Not only that, but CCP won't tell the community who to lynch. Yeah, he's quite lucky that CCP has taken a lighter approach on this. A much more heavy fisted approach would not be out of line in this scenario. Remember, he didn't blow someone's spaceship up without their consent. He's committed actually serious crime. In a world that's actually real whether we want it to be or not.
Uh, you might want to read what Falcon said again - he said any police action would not be discussed. He didn't say they weren't charged/fined/jailed/etc etc etc
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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JC Anderson
State Protectorate Caldari State
1093
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Posted - 2014.05.08 04:22:00 -
[174] - Quote
KIller Wabbit wrote:Trish Tokila wrote:mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? Instead of facing international criminal charges, potentially spending time in real-person jail, and outrageous fines to replace this, the player can no longer play this online video game. Not only that, but CCP won't tell the community who to lynch. Yeah, he's quite lucky that CCP has taken a lighter approach on this. A much more heavy fisted approach would not be out of line in this scenario. Remember, he didn't blow someone's spaceship up without their consent. He's committed actually serious crime. In a world that's actually real whether we want it to be or not. Uh, you might want to read what Falcon said again - he said any police action would not be discussed. He didn't say they weren't charged/fined/jailed/etc etc etc
Well in the previously thread he did say he was giving a chance to the individuals involved, inviting them to come forward in order to avoid the greater consequences.
I took that as saying, it's your decision if you want the authorities involved or not.
Then again, no way to know for sure. |
scrambled
Viziam Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2014.05.08 05:24:00 -
[175] - Quote
Carmen Electra wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:It's with a heavy heart that I have to speak... CCP Falcon wrote:i'm still sick to my stomach... Falcon, this sort of language is pretty dramatic to describe a video game monument getting keyed. Vandalizing your monument is certainly not something I would have done, but I can't be the only one to notice some hypocrisy or at least a little irony in this situation. Setting aside the fact that CCP felt the need to build a monument to its players reminiscent of a war memorial, it seems odd that there would be this kind of outrage over someone taking a coin to your monument when you encourage all your players to "Be The Villain".
Game / Real Life
If you can't distinguish between the two, it's time to stop playing the game and seek professional help in a big hurry.
If you can't understand that, may I suggest you too go seek said professional help... |
JaseNZ
EG CORP
20
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Posted - 2014.05.08 07:35:00 -
[176] - Quote
I found out about the monument from a friend of mine that went to Fanfest (you better have grabbed me some cool souvenirs Bernie! lol) and explained the whole thing to me, as I haven't been terribly active lately due to RL commitments.
I was quite frankly amazed. Thanks CCP, I think the monument is awesome, I've looked up my characters and they're all immortalised on there :D
Then I found out it had been vandalised, I was PISSED!
To the alliance mates of the person(s) responsible, thank you for doing the noble thing and reporting it.
To the person(s) responsible, I don't hold any ill will against you...I will likely never know who you are, so no point in getting worked up over it...I just have ill will against your actions.
We've likely all done regrettable things in our lives...we pay a price, learn from it, make ourselves better, and move on.
Thank you CCP for handling this in a swift and professional manner. |
valerydarcy
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
32974
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Posted - 2014.05.08 08:33:00 -
[177] - Quote
CCP Goliath wrote:Doc Fury wrote:What steps has CCP taken (or plans to take) to prevent future abuse/vandalism of the monument? We will make several offerings to the Hulduf+¦lk (elves) to watch over it and bring mischief and misery to those who stand against us.
Sentry guns? Post with your mainGäó |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3612
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Posted - 2014.05.08 08:57:00 -
[178] - Quote
I'm picturing elves in DUST dropsuits with a couple of drones in backup.
tbh, come next year, CCP should make a big joke about the whole thing by erecting a barbed wire fence, cameras, and burly men in dark glasses to glare at anybody who wants to visit the monument. Defeat vandalism with mockery. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
635
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:00:00 -
[179] - Quote
Was sad to hear about this happening.
Good response CCP. Forums are playing EVE too. Fact. |
Balkor Wolf
Eve Borough Council Ineluctable.
51
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Posted - 2014.05.08 09:16:00 -
[180] - Quote
Erufen Rito wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Glad to hear no naming will be done, seems appropriate all round. Cheers for the update Falcon And this is how you avoid mass shootings. Thanks CCP, for taking care of this in the utmost professional way.
Another good way to avoid mass shootings is by not giving everyone a gun. Works quite well. |
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RaTTuS
BIG
397
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Posted - 2014.05.08 10:53:00 -
[181] - Quote
was disgusted to hear about this and I feel the resolution to be correct http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png http://i.imgur.com/kYLoKrM.png |
Dav Varan
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
170
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:27:00 -
[182] - Quote
Sorry to hear about your loss.
It really sucks when something beautiful you spent time creating gets destoryed by the actions of others and there didn't seem to be anything put in place by those in authority to stop it happening in the first place.
At least the Police are there to provide consequnces.
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1786
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:35:00 -
[183] - Quote
Dav Varan wrote: Sorry to hear about your loss.
It really sucks when something beautiful you spent time creating gets destoryed by the actions of others and there didn't seem to be anything put in place by those in authority to stop it happening in the first place.
At least the Police are there to provide consequnces.
I know I am reading too much into this but that really sounds like not-so-stealth anti-ganking whine. But it cannot be it, you are in Spiritus Draconis after all, right? I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Warr Akini
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2014.05.08 11:58:00 -
[184] - Quote
As much as those -directly- responsible for the act have rightfully earned the ire of the community, CCP Falcon's behavior and posting indicate a very clear anger - an anger that should have led to him recusing himself from impartial judgment in this situation. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9609
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Posted - 2014.05.08 12:54:00 -
[185] - Quote
Warr Akini wrote:As much as those -directly- responsible for the act have rightfully earned the ire of the community, CCP Falcon's behavior and posting indicate a very clear anger - an anger that should have led to him recusing himself from impartial judgment in this situation. Anger doesn't prevent impartiality, and I doubt you'd find anyone at CCP who doesn't feel the same way he does. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Warr Akini
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:07:00 -
[186] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Warr Akini wrote:As much as those -directly- responsible for the act have rightfully earned the ire of the community, CCP Falcon's behavior and posting indicate a very clear anger - an anger that should have led to him recusing himself from impartial judgment in this situation. Anger doesn't prevent impartiality, and I doubt you'd find anyone at CCP who doesn't feel the same way he does.
I'm perfectly willing to stipulate to the second half of your sentence - I myself am nothing short of furious that a couple of idiots couldn't be even remotely cool. But I don't think you can in any way argue that a demonstrated emotional attachment to the issue does not constitute at least a basis for bias. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
3303
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:12:00 -
[187] - Quote
CCP is not obligated to neutrality like a court of law. Anger them at your own peril. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Warr Akini
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:23:00 -
[188] - Quote
Abrazzar wrote:CCP is not obligated to neutrality like a court of law. Anger them at your own peril.
If CCP wants to take the HTFU line when it comes to violations of such an important real life connotation, then that's their prerogative, arguments of law in the real world notwithstanding - but that should make very clear which emotions guide decisions up in Reykjavik, something worth taking into consideration. |
Seven Koskanaiken
The Shadow Plague Fidelas Constans
1226
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:25:00 -
[189] - Quote
mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk?
"Turn yourself in and I'll go easy" is a staple hustle of 3rd grade teachers the world over, so if they didn't learn by now chances are they never will. |
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CCP Falcon
7007
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:26:00 -
[190] - Quote
Warr Akini wrote:As much as those -directly- responsible for the act have rightfully earned the ire of the community, CCP Falcon's behavior and posting indicate a very clear anger - an anger that should have led to him recusing himself from impartial judgment in this situation.
Anger? No.
Disappointment that this happened? Absolutely.
CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Manager -á || -á EVE Illuminati
@CCP_Falcon -á || -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents |
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Ritsum
ubiquitous hurt Exodus.
283
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:36:00 -
[191] - Quote
For those complaining about permaband's you need to watch this instructional youtube video done by CCP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgvM7av1o1Q
Play EvE how you want to play it and do not let others dictate how you play. Evolve your playstyle to protect yourself from others! Even in "PVE", "PVP" is there, lurking in the shadows. |
Warr Akini
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:43:00 -
[192] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Warr Akini wrote:As much as those -directly- responsible for the act have rightfully earned the ire of the community, CCP Falcon's behavior and posting indicate a very clear anger - an anger that should have led to him recusing himself from impartial judgment in this situation. Anger? No. Disappointment that this happened? Absolutely.
As much as I appreciate the sentiment and your post, the disappointed dad routine just doesn't jive with the 'swift hammer of justice' vibe. I believe you may have acted hastily and rashly, and while you have no obligation to explain yourself to me, I believe it necessary to point out this extremely possible scenario. |
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CCP Falcon
7007
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:44:00 -
[193] - Quote
Warr Akini wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Warr Akini wrote:As much as those -directly- responsible for the act have rightfully earned the ire of the community, CCP Falcon's behavior and posting indicate a very clear anger - an anger that should have led to him recusing himself from impartial judgment in this situation. Anger? No. Disappointment that this happened? Absolutely. As much as I appreciate the sentiment and your post, the disappointed dad routine just doesn't jive with the 'swift hammer of justice' vibe. I believe you may have acted hastily and rashly, and while you have no obligation to explain yourself to me, I believe it necessary to point out this extremely possible scenario.
Thanks for your opinion on the matter.
CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Manager -á || -á EVE Illuminati
@CCP_Falcon -á || -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents |
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Warr Akini
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:45:00 -
[194] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Warr Akini wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Warr Akini wrote:As much as those -directly- responsible for the act have rightfully earned the ire of the community, CCP Falcon's behavior and posting indicate a very clear anger - an anger that should have led to him recusing himself from impartial judgment in this situation. Anger? No. Disappointment that this happened? Absolutely. As much as I appreciate the sentiment and your post, the disappointed dad routine just doesn't jive with the 'swift hammer of justice' vibe. I believe you may have acted hastily and rashly, and while you have no obligation to explain yourself to me, I believe it necessary to point out this extremely possible scenario. Thanks for your opinion on the matter.
And thanks for duly responding. |
Dav Varan
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
170
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:45:00 -
[195] - Quote
Schmata Bastanold wrote:Dav Varan wrote: Sorry to hear about your loss.
It really sucks when something beautiful you spent time creating gets destoryed by the actions of others and there didn't seem to be anything put in place by those in authority to stop it happening in the first place.
At least the Police are there to provide consequnces.
I know I am reading too much into this but that really sounds like not-so-stealth anti-ganking whine. But it cannot be it, you are in Spiritus Draconis after all, right?
Not a whine just a lick at the delicious Irony.
The only thing that really surprises me about the whole episode is how surprised people are acting.
At its lowest eve is a dirty place full of mean spirited spiteful destructive acts against people who can barely defend them selves, and we love it, but what kind of community do you think that will breed ? one where everyone respects everyone elses property?
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3985
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:49:00 -
[196] - Quote
Dav Varan wrote:
Not a whine just a lick at the delicious Irony.
The only thing that really surprises me about the whole episode is how surprised people are acting.
At its lowest eve is a dirty place full of mean spirited spiteful destructive acts against people who can barely defend them selves, and we love it, but what kind of community do you think that will breed ? one where everyone respects everyone elses property?
Blah blah in-game vs out-of game blah
blah video games don't influence people blah
blah blah other way around blah "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Jasmine Assasin
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
159
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:52:00 -
[197] - Quote
Glad that this was taken care of, hopefully no one goes for a repeat performance next year. |
The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
152
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Posted - 2014.05.08 15:03:00 -
[198] - Quote
I fly with probably the largest group of griefing assholes in this game and i think i speak for all of us when i say good riddance to these worthless wastes of space. Beibg an ******* in game does not mean i think vandalising **** IRL is big or clever.
I don't think this punishment was too severe, if anything in CCPs shoes i would be pursuing reimbursement from the individuals for the damages done on top of the permabans. |
The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
153
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Posted - 2014.05.08 15:14:00 -
[199] - Quote
And further to this the peopke saying "they handed themselves in you should go easy on them" - they are. Remember what these guys did was criminal damage. CCP could potentially have pressed variouz crininal charges on these guys which at the least would have made international travel very inconvenient for them in the future. |
Trish Tokila
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2014.05.08 15:31:00 -
[200] - Quote
mkint wrote:Trish Tokila wrote: Either way, permabanning him from the eve community is not out of line. He's not welcome here anymore. And in a much different way than others who aren't welcome yet stick around.
You've never done something stupid IRL to impress your friends? When you do inevitably do something stupid to impress your friends in the future, now that there's a precedence of the consequences for honesty, are you going to come clean?
I've most definitely done stupid things. Wanna hear the story of why I can't go into our local mall? I was an idiot teen one time, too. Consequences are a *****, though. Sorry, you have to be accountable for your own actions in the real world. Not everything gets brushed off. |
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Cozmik R5
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
219
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:03:00 -
[201] - Quote
I know that this will get censored but there is no other way to say it: do not **** with our monument! Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
Kari Trace
23
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:45:00 -
[202] - Quote
Well played CCP / Falcon.
See you again next March Falcon. I like making things explode.
Kari Trace |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
3185
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:47:00 -
[203] - Quote
Just a note for people who say eve is full of the lowest of the low:
In general, everyone at Fanfest is friendly. Yes, it tends to be the uberfans. But it's also a bunch of highly social, and socialised, people.
That's what makes it surprising. Woo! CSM 9! http://fuzzwork.enterprises/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5514
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:52:00 -
[204] - Quote
Quite understandable that CCP cannot name names, affiliations and etc.
However, could you please tell us the approx isk value of all the stuffs confiscated from the permanently banned accounts?
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4001
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Posted - 2014.05.08 16:53:00 -
[205] - Quote
Steve Ronuken wrote:Just a note for people who say eve is full of the lowest of the low:
In general, everyone at Fanfest is friendly. Yes, it tends to be the uberfans. But it's also a bunch of highly social, and socialised, people.
Yes, being rich does make happiness and socialising easy "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar
645
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Posted - 2014.05.08 17:28:00 -
[206] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Just a note for people who say eve is full of the lowest of the low:
In general, everyone at Fanfest is friendly. Yes, it tends to be the uberfans. But it's also a bunch of highly social, and socialised, people. Yes, being rich does make happiness and socialising easy
Apparently money CAN buy happiness! I drain ducks of their moisture for sustenance. |
Zorrkinae vonHui
Gnostics of the Sense of Life
0
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Posted - 2014.05.08 17:38:00 -
[207] - Quote
just wanted to ask this.... xD
but I think it-¦s right how ccp handled it.... who is so stupid to do vandalism... and especially on a "FAN" fest.... yeah they don-¦t deserve anything else... they better search another hobby wich doesn-¦t make them so frustrated to make such stuff.... EVE seems to be the wrong place for them^^ |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
673
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Posted - 2014.05.08 18:37:00 -
[208] - Quote
I believe CCP's response and actions regarding the vandalization of the Eve monument to be appropriate and warranted. Well done. GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥
-Grath Telkin, 2014. |
Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
743
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Posted - 2014.05.08 18:38:00 -
[209] - Quote
Good thing CCP didn't catch me smearing my ****-stained underwear (because I'm a fat goon) on garth telkin's nameplate on the monument. Suck it! |
Anya Klibor
Guy Fawkes Trust Fund 31ST Reliables Division
704
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Posted - 2014.05.08 18:44:00 -
[210] - Quote
Because the players care about a symbol of complete and utter narcissism, a symbol that CCP has learned nothing the past few years when it comes to reputation and customer service. All that money you dumped could have been used to keep some of those people you recently let go of employed instead of helping Hilmar get his **** up so everyone would stop laughing at him in the locker room over his ED.
Ask me if I care that I'll be infracted for this post. Go ahead, ask me. |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9609
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Posted - 2014.05.08 18:46:00 -
[211] - Quote
Anya Klibor wrote:Because the players care about a symbol of complete and utter narcissism, a symbol that CCP has learned nothing the past few years when it comes to reputation and customer service. All that money you dumped could have been used to keep some of those people you recently let go of employed instead of helping Hilmar get his **** up so everyone would stop laughing at him in the locker room over his ED.
Ask me if I care that I'll be infracted for this post. Go ahead, ask me. Careful not to cut yourself on that edge. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Marsha Mallow
517
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Posted - 2014.05.08 19:03:00 -
[212] - Quote
They should award confiscated stuff to those who ask first. And remain unscrubbed.
*holds out hand
Or we could have a CCP event monthly for confiscated stuff. For community and stuff. Mining competitions... good posting...
TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Evelyn Meiyi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
147
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Posted - 2014.05.08 20:32:00 -
[213] - Quote
mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk?
Considering that they were accessories to criminal vandalism, I'd say they got off lightly.
Way to go, CCP, for a speedy resolution and sticking to your Tech- II Privacy Cannons. :) |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
25899
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Posted - 2014.05.08 20:53:00 -
[214] - Quote
What a shameful thing.
Definitely a sad state of affairs for this game. Especially since these acts will now forever be linked with the game.
DMC Faction Standing Repair Plan | California Eve Players | (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9631
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Posted - 2014.05.08 21:04:00 -
[215] - Quote
Warr Akini wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Warr Akini wrote:As much as those -directly- responsible for the act have rightfully earned the ire of the community, CCP Falcon's behavior and posting indicate a very clear anger - an anger that should have led to him recusing himself from impartial judgment in this situation. Anger doesn't prevent impartiality, and I doubt you'd find anyone at CCP who doesn't feel the same way he does. I'm perfectly willing to stipulate to the second half of your sentence - I myself am nothing short of furious that a couple of idiots couldn't be even remotely cool. But I don't think you can in any way argue that a demonstrated emotional attachment to the issue does not constitute at least a basis for bias. A basis, sure. But that doesn't mean we are incapable of removing ourselves from bias. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Rain6637
Team Evil
14370
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Posted - 2014.05.08 21:13:00 -
[216] - Quote
I smell guerilla marketing
I wish.
This was more resolution than I expected. rather satisfying President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Rainfleet Mk III-á |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1303
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Posted - 2014.05.08 21:41:00 -
[217] - Quote
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
30. Abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers is prohibited.
CCP operate a zero tolerance policy on abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers. This includes but is not limited to personal attacks, trolling, GÇ£outingGÇ¥ of CCP employee or ISD volunteer player identities, and the use of any former player identities when referring to the aforementioned parties. Our forums are designed to be a place where players and developers can exchange ideas in a polite and friendly manner for the betterment of EVE Online. Players who attack or abuse employees of CCP, or ISD volunteers, will be permanently banned from the EVE Online forums across all their accounts with no recourse, and may also be subject to action against their game accounts. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Jenna Jiggles
1
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Posted - 2014.05.08 21:45:00 -
[218] - Quote
Any comment on this CCP? Maybe your investigation wasn't quite as conclusive as you first thought?
http://i.imgur.com/6rT97d4.png |
Maria Firn
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2014.05.08 22:01:00 -
[219] - Quote
So Goonswarm might be involved in this ? mother***ers |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5533
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Posted - 2014.05.08 22:10:00 -
[220] - Quote
Maria Firn wrote:So Goonswarm might be involved in this ? mother***ers grrr goons
If so, there ain't enough popcorn in the world.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9633
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Posted - 2014.05.08 22:17:00 -
[221] - Quote
If it's a Goon we'll lynch him all the same. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Tavin Aikisen
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
265
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Posted - 2014.05.08 22:20:00 -
[222] - Quote
Should have gone to the police. Can't believe all they got was a ban... Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home. -Cold Wind |
Jenna Jiggles
2
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Posted - 2014.05.08 22:32:00 -
[223] - Quote
Maria Firn wrote:So Goonswarm might be involved in this ? mother***ers grrr goons
Given the name involved, that was always a distinct possibility. However, whether it was a member of a major nullsec power block or a Hi-sec bear it was still an act committed by a senseless individual or group of individuals.
It was also committed by a group of Eve players, you are an Eve player. Does that mean they represent you?
Tavin Aikisen wrote:Should have gone to the police. Can't believe all they got was a ban...
I don't know what law enforcement are like around where you are but given that this was a minor case of vandalism (albeit one very offensive to the Eve community) I doubt they'd be able to do much. Possibly a fine, but they may have just cautioned them and suggested CCP pursue them for damages. |
PSYPH0N
Protagonists Of Doom
1
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Posted - 2014.05.08 22:43:00 -
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Couldn't agree more.
Total disrespect to the whole community of EVE.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9634
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Posted - 2014.05.08 23:07:00 -
[225] - Quote
Tavin Aikisen wrote:Should have gone to the police. Can't believe all they got was a ban... They may well have. CCP has not and will not provide information about legal actions taken against the individuals, merely the actions taken against their accounts. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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hnfnfhfthfth fthftjhnjfjf
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.05.08 23:08:00 -
[226] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:If it's a Goon we'll lynch him all the same. It's pretty funny that my post got deleted, guess I was right but I have no merit it was pretty obvious who did this. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9634
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Posted - 2014.05.08 23:15:00 -
[227] - Quote
You're the only one who thinks so, so it's either not obvious at all and you're a genius for figuring it out, or you're just guessing. We all know which is the case. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9634
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Posted - 2014.05.08 23:26:00 -
[228] - Quote
Taking bets on whether the real perps actually got banned or not.
Oh hey, non-rule-breaking posts being removed. This is always fun to watch. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1305
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Posted - 2014.05.08 23:33:00 -
[229] - Quote
I have removed some rule breaking posts (again).
Please refrain from linking to anything that depicts GM correspondence and/or material on/about/from the possible people involved in this matter. This is a stern warning, disregarding it might have consequences. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9635
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Posted - 2014.05.08 23:35:00 -
[230] - Quote
You'll have to explain then what part of that post (linked images from the other forum) was against the rules. And don't say it was because of discussion of bans, because if that were the case this thread should have been locked upon creation since that's more or less the only purpose of having it. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
466
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Posted - 2014.05.08 23:36:00 -
[231] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tavin Aikisen wrote:Should have gone to the police. Can't believe all they got was a ban... They may well have. CCP has not and will not provide information about legal actions taken against the individuals, merely the actions taken against their accounts.
Typically though the courts can and will announce cases being heard. Police tend to announce persons arrested.
It's not hard to keep an eat our for CCP accusing someone of vandalism before a judge. |
The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
164
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Posted - 2014.05.09 00:03:00 -
[232] - Quote
If people are having posts removed because they are naming the people or something can I just take a moment to remind people that the "official" EVE Online hashtag on twitter, a service completely unmoderated by CCP, is #tweetfleet. That is all. |
Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
319
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Posted - 2014.05.09 00:13:00 -
[233] - Quote
CCP Falcon, I remember seeing a launcher link to a picture of the statue. But I don't remember any of the details. I did not know there were names on the statue. Maybe a link to information about the statue would be helpful.
The apprehension of, and consequences to, the perpetrators are almost secondary to me and I suppose others. More information about the damage and the repairs are more interesting tbh.
If there are other existing threads about all this, can you include some information about the statue and repairs for those of us who find the search function on these forums less than satisfactory? Sorry, to sound lazy, but I have dinner to make, duties to the family and pets atm tonight, etc. Thanks. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7323
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Posted - 2014.05.09 00:20:00 -
[234] - Quote
The Slayer wrote:If people are having posts removed because they are naming the people or something can I just take a moment to remind people that the "official" EVE Online hashtag on twitter, a service completely unmoderated by CCP, is #tweetfleet. That is all. i didn't have a post removed for naming the person who did it
i got a post removed showing someone, on another site, saying they got the six month ban on a character that hasn't played for six years Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division. |
Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
744
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Posted - 2014.05.09 00:23:00 -
[235] - Quote
Don't post correspondence from CCP from another site onto another site Weaselior. That breaks the TOS on the forums. No crossposting inceptions here sir. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7323
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Posted - 2014.05.09 00:24:00 -
[236] - Quote
i didn't even post the part that had the message from ccp! Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division. |
Aryndel Vyst
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
746
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Posted - 2014.05.09 00:27:00 -
[237] - Quote
Doesn't matter man even if you were thinking about posting that post you can't just post what you want to post in your post. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
14372
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Posted - 2014.05.09 00:30:00 -
[238] - Quote
I already feel bad President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Rainfleet Mk III-á |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association Independent Faction
468
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Posted - 2014.05.09 01:51:00 -
[239] - Quote
Aryndel Vyst wrote:Doesn't matter man even if you were thinking about posting that post you can't just post what you want to post in your post.
But what if we posted that there was a post discussing the posting of the idea of posting that post he would post if he could? |
Xenuria
The Scope Gallente Federation
851
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Posted - 2014.05.09 03:15:00 -
[240] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Xenuria wrote:Doc Fury wrote:What steps has CCP taken (or plans to take) to prevent future abuse/vandalism of the monument? This is something I would also like to know. If something like this happened once than it can potentially happen again. I also have a question, the people that got banned permanently from EvE; can I have their stuff? We're obviously not going to reveal if, when or what we're going to do in terms of boosting security around the monument, but you can rest assured that we'll make sure that things are covered. i'm still sick to my stomach that someone would have done this to be perfectly honest, and I'm glad that we were able to solve the situation.
This may sound strange but I completely understand the feeling you are experiencing. There have been times in my life where I was suddenly shocked and sickened by people doing repugnant stuff. It's a feeling that is born of "Cognitive Dissonance", basically a mental conflict. Your mentality that nobody could be so horrible as to do this thing is at odds with the realization that somebody has done this horrible thing. It's not a weakness on your part, it's how the human brain deals with things of this nature.
The best outcome/rationalization to come too is one that incorporates the factual information from both competing mentalities while also alleviating the stress associated with both. That feeling of nausea and tension in the chest area is something that will pass.
The only time you need to worry is when you don't feel anything at all, apathy is a slow but certain toxin. These events set a good example and I will explain how.
Some people did something really bad and they faced the consequences. Across the political lines of space people of this community came together to fight a common enemy. I think this will highly discourage future acts such as this, seeing as how rapidly everybody started working to bring a resolution to this problem.
I keep telling people that this isn't about ME it's about US as a community. CSM 9 Candidate Philanthropist Polymath Savant Hero |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9639
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Posted - 2014.05.09 03:18:00 -
[241] - Quote
I think it's more fun to live with the assumption that all humans are shitheads. That way you're pleasantly surprised every time you go out in daylight without seeing someone get gunned down in the streets. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Xenuria
The Scope Gallente Federation
852
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Posted - 2014.05.09 03:33:00 -
[242] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:I think it's more fun to live with the assumption that all humans are shitheads. That way you're pleasantly surprised every time you go out in daylight without seeing someone get gunned down in the streets.
Not all humans are bad though. I would like to think that I am a good person not because of what I do but what I hope to do. A rich person can give millions to charity and do so because they desire fame. A poor person can spend a small amount of money feeding the hungry with nobody ever thanking them.
Who do you think is the better person? CSM 9 Candidate Philanthropist Polymath Savant Hero |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9639
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Posted - 2014.05.09 03:45:00 -
[243] - Quote
The person who doesn't ask questions like that. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
1097
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Posted - 2014.05.09 07:25:00 -
[244] - Quote
For anyone not aware, someone on the (in)famous internet forums "Something Awful" has stated that they got an e-mail telling them their character has been banned, despite the fact they haven't even logged in for about 6 years.
I guess this could be a total coincidence, as I'm 100% positive that CCP did all the appropriate research and double and triple checked their facts before banning accounts in reaction to a real world event that their community manager has take such a public and personal interest in.
I'm sure if it were to transpire that the wrong account was banned for whatever reason, CCP would be the first people to apologise and publically explain the situation to avoid more rumour mongering.
As the individual involved has already contacted customer support it's bound to be resolved soon and I'm sure they will get told why their account was banned, probably totally unrelated to this entire thing. I'm not really sure there is a great deal more to be said on the subject at the present time? "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Rain6637
Team Evil
14373
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Posted - 2014.05.09 08:12:00 -
[245] - Quote
Xenuria, you're nobody til somebody loves you, you're nobody til somebody cares.
Somebody cared about you and they got in a lot of trouble for it.
These days infamy is better anyway. You're the only person who can consider this a success, so live it up broski.
For Xenuria President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Rainfleet Mk III-á |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9649
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Posted - 2014.05.09 08:22:00 -
[246] - Quote
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:For anyone not aware, someone on the (in)famous internet forums "Something Awful" has stated that they got an e-mail telling them their character has been banned, despite the fact they haven't even logged in for about 6 years.
I guess this could be a total coincidence, as I'm 100% positive that CCP did all the appropriate research and double and triple checked their facts before banning accounts in reaction to a real world event that their community manager has take such a public and personal interest in.
I'm sure if it were to transpire that the wrong account was banned for whatever reason, CCP would be the first people to apologise and publically explain the situation to avoid more rumour mongering.
As the individual involved has already contacted customer support it's bound to be resolved soon and I'm sure they will get told why their account was banned, probably totally unrelated to this entire thing. I'm not really sure there is a great deal more to be said on the subject at the present time? You may not be aware that several people have already said this and their posts got deleted. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Marsha Mallow
522
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Posted - 2014.05.09 08:33:00 -
[247] - Quote
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:I'm sure if it were to transpire that the wrong account was banned for whatever reason, CCP would be the first people to apologise and publically explain the situation to avoid more rumour mongering. Your post is rumour mongering. We've been explicitly told not to discuss or pursue the identity of the banned players here. If you want to do that on external boards, go for it, but it's likely to backfire.
If the person in question had their account banned in error they can contact CCP themselves and resolve it. There's no need for hordes of CFC peasants to rush about demanding anything, other than the fact they are attention whoring slappers.
Why should CCP apologise to any group whether falsely accused or not if it's their own members inciting the gossip by running about reposting info and private messages from GMs? TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
Nalelmir Ahashion
Omegon 42nd Core
429
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Posted - 2014.05.09 11:32:00 -
[248] - Quote
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/09/ccp-bans-vandals-of-eve-online-monument
IGN replies are best you should read them. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch |
Higgs Foton
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
94
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Posted - 2014.05.09 13:45:00 -
[249] - Quote
Ehhhmm, i noticed something odd. The gaming press, at least the Dutch and Belgium ones, claim the Goonswarm Federation sticker and the erasing of the Xenuria name are done by the same people. As far as i understand these are two unrelated incidents in which the sticker is seen as good fun (since it apparently was removed without problem). Maybe someone from CCP might want to look into this before another shitstorm emerges.
Though this again confirms my notion that people from the press are incredibly stupid and never research their sources. *Snip* Removed trolling part of the post. ISD Ezwal. *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal. |
Vageena Clatoris
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2014.05.09 13:50:00 -
[250] - Quote
Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Aryndel Vyst wrote:Doesn't matter man even if you were thinking about posting that post you can't just post what you want to post in your post. But what if we posted that there was a post discussing the posting of the idea of posting that post he would post if he could?
POSTCEPTION ?
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Shivanthar
Thrilling Institution of TaTas Permanent Mental Syndrome
64
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Posted - 2014.05.09 14:52:00 -
[251] - Quote
Not only that my name is also on that monument, I feel deeply harrassed by those guys' actions against art. This is an attack to not only monument, but also to the all people whose name on that monument, to the CCP, to the art, to the craftsmanship. What in the world make you attack a monument like that? What was it that you try to establish?
Be a hardcore or casual player of any kind, by attacking to a meaningful monument, you have no humanity or respect inside you. No matter how you or your alliance is successful in the game, actions made while drunk is not an excuse, it may ease your punishment a bit, but you will be remembered as a bad people, as many other very bad people on this worlds history.
We all have differences here, but at best, we argue and may disagree with each other. Respect is another aspect, damaging is by all means you don't have on respect to the humanity. You've no respect to the world, I hope the action that CCP took against you will teach at least a bit of what world does to you when you go against them, be it an attacking to an art, a monument or another person.
Sorry for crappy English, feel extremely depressed and on rage... P.S: Not giving out names is a good action. |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1726
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:15:00 -
[252] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote: While the community has been justifiably outraged and a number of people have requested that we release the ingame identities of those who carried out the act, we feel that this would be contrary to our privacy policies. As such we will deal with this incident in line with our current policies, and the identities of those responsible will remain confidential.
If only the American news media would get this concept. Don't make them famous. They should fade away in obscurity. No recognition. No publicity. Let them just deal with the fact that they are rendered nameless as they are shunned.
They won't be missed.
And just in case nobody's asked yet, can I have their stuff? That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1726
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:17:00 -
[253] - Quote
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Doc Fury wrote:What steps has CCP taken to prevent future abuse/vandalism of the monument? Sniper.
He's a CCP employee, even. You'll never see him post here, but his name is "CCP Headshotdoublekill".... That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9671
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:22:00 -
[254] - Quote
Jarod Garamonde wrote:CCP Falcon wrote: While the community has been justifiably outraged and a number of people have requested that we release the ingame identities of those who carried out the act, we feel that this would be contrary to our privacy policies. As such we will deal with this incident in line with our current policies, and the identities of those responsible will remain confidential.
If only the American news media would get this concept. They understand the concept. They choose to ignore it because the media is a business and money is the deciding factor. They get money from media frenzies. And you get media frenzies from circus trials and national scandals. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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JP Nakamura
Union of Intergalactic Miners and Nano Assemblers
32
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:45:00 -
[255] - Quote
Marsha Mallow wrote:They should award confiscated stuff to those who ask first. And remain unscrubbed. *holds out hand Or we could have a CCP event monthly for confiscated stuff. For community and stuff. Mining competitions... good posting...
Actually ... and here's an idea ... use assets confiscated from Perma Banned Acounts as an ISK sink and auction the stuff off via Contracts from "CONCORD Impound".
They can choose what/how to release things (things like T2 BPOs they might want to keep 'for the state'), and set base prices. Lets them recycle rarer items back into the community that might be in the toons hangers and brings the Whoop Whoop of the space Police to a whole new level ... introduces the Space Marshal come to haul your stuff away.
I look forward to the pre-auction catalog of seized and impounded assets.
(I also expect my percentage for this idea in the usual place ) CCP: 10+ years of Harvesting players Tears -á(latest efforts being Source Limited Edition, and Alliance Logo Revised Policies) |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9681
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:36:00 -
[256] - Quote
That won't happen because in the even of an ban repeal they'll want to be able to return the player's accounts to them as they were. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers
191
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:40:00 -
[257] - Quote
Where there was darkness, there is light.
Thanks Falcon & the folks at CCP. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
5547
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Posted - 2014.05.09 18:51:00 -
[258] - Quote
Jarod Garamonde wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Doc Fury wrote:What steps has CCP taken to prevent future abuse/vandalism of the monument? Sniper. He's a CCP employee, even. You'll never see him post here, but his name is "CCP Headshotdoublekill"....
CCP No-see-um.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Aiwanwan Buwangun
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.05.10 16:33:00 -
[259] - Quote
That's why I like the game and its community.
All happened so far have taught you the importance to follow the rules. No breaking EULA, no insulting other community members. |
Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
224
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Posted - 2014.05.10 20:42:00 -
[260] - Quote
Pretty saddened that this occurred, but I think CCP handled it well. I blog a bit http://hspew.blogspot.ca |
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Entrothy
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.05.11 19:10:00 -
[261] - Quote
I approve of the way this was handled. Good job CCP. |
piesaerty
Pro Synergy
0
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Posted - 2014.05.12 02:22:00 -
[262] - Quote
CCP Falcon a few questions:
1) Can you confirm the reason for leniency on one person involved was the "owned up" or was there another reason for one perpetrator to have a lesser punishment?
2) Are repair works being carried out on the monument?
3) Can you state if there is any "ongoing out of game proceedings" in regards to recovering the cost of this damage? and if you can if there is or is not.
4) The obligatory can I have there stuffs? or if not me can the people that assisted with the swift resolution of these actions have there stuffs? |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
1097
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Posted - 2014.05.12 12:50:00 -
[263] - Quote
Marsha Mallow wrote:Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:I'm sure if it were to transpire that the wrong account was banned for whatever reason, CCP would be the first people to apologise and publically explain the situation to avoid more rumour mongering. Your post is rumour mongering. We've been explicitly told not to discuss or pursue the identity of the banned players here. If you want to do that on external boards, go for it, but it's likely to backfire. If the person in question had their account banned in error they can contact CCP themselves and resolve it. There's no need for hordes of CFC peasants to rush about demanding anything, other than the fact they are attention whoring slappers. Why should CCP apologise to any group whether falsely accused or not if it's their own members inciting the gossip by running about reposting info and private messages from GMs?
So my post is rumour mongering because I said IF someone's account was banned incorrectly that I, in my personal opinion, think they would likely apologise over the issue, considering that their community manager has gone to such lengths as to say he feels so strongly about the whole thing.
If you have CCP saying that acts are "disgusting" and someone gets banned wrongly, which then becomes public knowledge (rightly or wrongly) I'm sure CCP would acknowledge the mistake. If they didn't it would probably reflect pretty poorly on them.
So whether I am a part of a "horde of CFC peasants" or not, my post clearly isn;t rumour mongering otherwise it would have been deleted as it is against the forum rules. There is no forum rule about saying there is no need to discuss the specifics as I'm sure CCP would admit if they made a mistake.
Maybe you should concentrate on reading what people have to say and thinking about why they are saying it and what they mean before replying, instead of seeing someone's alliance ticker and working yourself up into a GRR GOON rage before mashing your hammy fingers onto your keyboard to reply with a load of rubbish about rumour mongering when I did nothing of the sort. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2751
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Posted - 2014.05.12 15:30:00 -
[264] - Quote
I see quite a bit of discussion about the act of vandalism involving the scratching out of a name. But I have seen little about the first act of vandalism, the attachment of an alliance logo to the monument. What has CCP done about that? Yes, it was a lesser incident, but it was still a defacement of public property. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues Aprilon Dynasty
59
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Posted - 2014.05.12 20:58:00 -
[265] - Quote
While i might not personally like the style of the monument, thats down to personal taste, i do understand the reason it was erected and even i was disappointed that someone would go to the length of defacing it, no matter how much of a puffy the guy is or isn't (i have no idea who the owner of the name removed was) even i wouldn't damage it :/
Glad to see you guys figured out those involved and lets hope they take this as a lesson against doing stupid **** while drunk, i hope the repairs aren't expensive although i'm sure if you set up a donation box there would be some pilots willing to assist if its a large bill |
Rain6637
Team Evil
14386
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Posted - 2014.05.12 22:05:00 -
[266] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:I see quite a bit of discussion about the act of vandalism involving the scratching out of a name. But I have seen little about the first act of vandalism, the attachment of an alliance logo to the monument. What has CCP done about that? Yes, it was a lesser incident, but it was still a defacement of public property. as a result of my time in the military where it is a tradition to leave one's unit patch or logo sticker in high traffic locations abroad, it didn't strike me as out of the ordinary. Between the two acts, one is related to deep tradition and the other is vandalism.
edit: I'm not saying it should take place on the monument, but this would be more common in the EVE playerbase if more player organizations had a level of pride and coordination, cohesion, identity... to have stickers of their own.
I suspect if you had a collection of all goon trinkets ever made, you could open a gift shop. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Rainfleet Mk III-á |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9743
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Posted - 2014.05.13 00:48:00 -
[267] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:I see quite a bit of discussion about the act of vandalism involving the scratching out of a name. But I have seen little about the first act of vandalism, the attachment of an alliance logo to the monument. What has CCP done about that? Yes, it was a lesser incident, but it was still a defacement of public property. Damage done = 0. Take your feigned indignation elsewhere. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Rain6637
Team Evil
14386
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Posted - 2014.05.13 01:05:00 -
[268] - Quote
TOTALLY have something to prove around non-goonion members though. President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Rainfleet Mk III-á |
Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
6
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Posted - 2014.05.13 03:43:00 -
[269] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:I see quite a bit of discussion about the act of vandalism involving the scratching out of a name. But I have seen little about the first act of vandalism, the attachment of an alliance logo to the monument. What has CCP done about that? Yes, it was a lesser incident, but it was still a defacement of public property. as a result of my time in the military where it is a tradition to leave one's unit patch or logo sticker in high traffic locations abroad, it didn't strike me as out of the ordinary. Between the two acts, one is related to deep tradition and the other is vandalism. edit: I'm not saying it should take place on the monument, but this would be more common in the EVE playerbase if more player organizations had a level of pride and coordination, cohesion, identity... to have stickers of their own. I suspect if you had a collection of all goon trinkets ever made, you could open a gift shop.
I have to agree with you about this concerning the Goons. I have nothing against them I have fought them in the past in PVP and think they bring some controversy to the Universe. Even the occasional local rant but everytime I popped one of them I always got the same response... gf. The sticker, although a gag, was not intended to be permanent therefor I believe they respected the gift CCP has given us. The Vandalism, although it has been put to bed, still irritates me. It would like me going to the 9/11 monument and scratching off a name of someone whom I hated. Regardless of who this person is or what their beliefs are they made Eve what it is today. If anything props to the Goons for being better than some of the Alliances in the respect they are all in it together. They have banded and enjoy Eve to its limits and it runs out into real world. If you ask a Goon, which I am, what they thought of the Vandalism I believe the response would be negative towards the perpatrators. Doesn't mean I won't pod them just for being a goon. -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Rain6637
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.05.13 04:09:00 -
[270] - Quote
wouldn't be surprised if a goon challenge coin gets minted, if one or several haven't been already. also, if more player organizations had stickers, the Harpa convention center would have problems
wait.
I haven't attended fanfest, so I don't know: how bad is the sticker problem at the businesses involved in hosting it? the bars, restaurants, hotels, etc President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Rainfleet Mk III-á |
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Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
6
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Posted - 2014.05.13 04:59:00 -
[271] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:wouldn't be surprised if a goon challenge coin gets minted, if one or several haven't been already. also, if more player organizations had stickers, the Harpa convention center would have problems
wait.
I haven't attended fanfest, so I don't know: how bad is the sticker problem at the businesses involved in hosting it? the bars, restaurants, hotels, etc
From what I gather the businesses usually welcomed Eve players. Aside from a select few causing a problem. The sticker on the monument was what I was refering to. I don't think the goons would also put stickers every where. One sticker followed by a photo op is one thing. But plastering them all over would be like spamming local.... wait this is the goons we are talking about... too soon? -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Rain6637
Team Evil
14387
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Posted - 2014.05.13 11:08:00 -
[272] - Quote
I mean... who brings one sticker to fanfest (where were the rest placed) President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Rainfleet Mk III-á |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1318
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Posted - 2014.05.13 11:55:00 -
[273] - Quote
I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
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Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9754
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Posted - 2014.05.13 21:32:00 -
[274] - Quote
Where do you come from that "take your feigned indignation elsewhere" is a personal attack? Did you see big words you didn't understand and figured I was being a big meanie that needed to be censored? "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Bob Maths
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2014.05.14 05:55:00 -
[275] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Where do you come from that "take your feigned indignation elsewhere" is a personal attack? Did you see big words you didn't understand and figured I was being a big meanie that needed to be censored?
I think they're trying to implement a fascist state. Oh, sorry I didn't realise I was posting 11 years from the start of EVE.
Regardless, it's not who's it's whose. Or you could say the individual whom had his name defaced....
Was this entirely expected and is it possible to reveal vaguely how the culprits were caught? |
Izuru Hishido
Lethal Dosage. Violent Society
27
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Posted - 2014.05.14 07:49:00 -
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Very, very pleased by this response, CCP. I think this was well handled, there is no good reason to carry a grudge out into a CCP sponsored events, much less damaging something that has an impact on every EVE player. Regardless of whether they are apologetic or not, I believe that you made the right choice, CCP. The punishment fit the crime, you did not take excessive measures (to my knowledge,) and if anyone had done that to any of my character names, I would have been justifiably upset. All the same, CCP, I'm very happy with the direction you took this.
Thank you for acting so justly. |
XMaxan
The Legion of X
2
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Posted - 2014.05.14 09:41:00 -
[277] - Quote
I feel compelled to agree that permanent banning of those that have admitted to their deeds is a bit, over the top if you will.
Comments that depict this punishment as "only removing them from a video game" only point out that the monument itself is for this very same video game. So the real question is do you value the game or not?
I do feel that punishment is necessary even to those that turned themselves in, but a temporary ban and perhaps in game punishments I believe would have sufficed. If anything releasing the in game name of those individuals to allow the player community to exact revenge would do, as it would either make the game unplayable to them (same as being banned) or at least give them some temporary grief.
The punishment is CCP's choice, but to be fair if this insult is to the entire EVE Community then I believe that the punishment should be discussed by and chosen by the EVE Community.
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Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
6
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Posted - 2014.05.14 10:10:00 -
[278] - Quote
XMaxan wrote:I feel compelled to agree that permanent banning of those that have admitted to their deeds is a bit, over the top if you will.
Comments that depict this punishment as "only removing them from a video game" only point out that the monument itself is for this very same video game. So the real question is do you value the game or not?
I do feel that punishment is necessary even to those that turned themselves in, but a temporary ban and perhaps in game punishments I believe would have sufficed. If anything releasing the in game name of those individuals to allow the player community to exact revenge would do, as it would either make the game unplayable to them (same as being banned) or at least give them some temporary grief.
The punishment is CCP's choice, but to be fair if this insult is to the entire EVE Community then I believe that the punishment should be discussed by and chosen by the EVE Community.
I am agreeing with you and disagreeing with you. On the lines of the punishment a "jury by your peers" might have been a good idea. However, the thing is that this was real life property of CCP and was suject to Iceland Laws. That being said even though this is the players monument CCP still owns and maintains the property. I think you bring good points on both sides of this. Nice post mate. -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Rain6637
Team Evil
14408
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Posted - 2014.05.14 15:44:00 -
[279] - Quote
bro you got modded be proud ( "____ the police" ?) President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Rainfleet Mk III-á |
Evelyn Meiyi
Corvidae Trading and Holding
156
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Posted - 2014.05.15 01:19:00 -
[280] - Quote
ISD Ezwal wrote:Yes. For there is only one responsible for my actions, namely me. Even if I wasn't aware of the consequences or possible later repercussions at the time of those actions.
Precisely.
At the end of the day, the only person you have to truly be accountable to is yourself.
Or, to put it another way:
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CCP Falcon
7100
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Posted - 2014.05.15 02:26:00 -
[281] - Quote
Hey guys,
A little update on this, I'd like to point out that there's a few news and media agencies who've took it upon themselves to use hearsay and rumor in order to get their stories together, rather than coming to us for clarification.
Most of these rumors surround the fatbee that was stuck to the monument for photos on thte day it was unveiled. There's a few media outlets who are incorrectly referencing Goonswarm as the vandals, despite the fact that the sticker was put there simply for fun, and was removed a few hours later with no damage.
They seem to be confusing a little bit of fun with an actual act of vandalism. Although this isn't our doing, Goonswarm, you have my apologies. We're working on contacting several outlets to let them know that their stories are incorrect and should be edited.
Just an FYI
CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Manager -á || -á EVE Illuminati
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Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
6
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Posted - 2014.05.15 03:26:00 -
[282] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Hey guys, A little update on this, I'd like to point out that there's a few news and media agencies who've took it upon themselves to use hearsay and rumor in order to get their stories together, rather than coming to us for clarification. Most of these rumors surround the fatbee that was stuck to the monument for photos on thte day it was unveiled. There's a few media outlets who are incorrectly referencing Goonswarm as the vandals, despite the fact that the sticker was put there simply for fun, and was removed a few hours later with no damage. They seem to be confusing a little bit of fun with an actual act of vandalism. Although this isn't our doing, Goonswarm, you have my apologies. We're working on contacting several outlets to let them know that their stories are incorrect and should be edited. Just an FYI
Falcon you could agree although the vandalism was horrible the sticker was rather amusing. It is a way for someone to make their mark without making it permanent. It is was a goon thats fine and it was fun. If it wasn't a goon... great way to get them under the proverbial whopping stick. A little humor was good scratching a name out... that should be a bannable offense... oh wait... yeah. -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Rain6637
Team Evil
14423
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:05:00 -
[283] - Quote
what you meant to say is 'thanks goons for the harmless hype / press coverage' President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Rainfleet Mk III-á |
Erien Rand
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
16
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Posted - 2014.05.15 05:37:00 -
[284] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Hey guys, A little update on this, I'd like to point out that there's a few news and media agencies who've took it upon themselves to use hearsay and rumor in order to get their stories together, rather than coming to us for clarification. Most of these rumors surround the fatbee that was stuck to the monument for photos on thte day it was unveiled. There's a few media outlets who are incorrectly referencing Goonswarm as the vandals, despite the fact that the sticker was put there simply for fun, and was removed a few hours later with no damage. They seem to be confusing a little bit of fun with an actual act of vandalism. Although this isn't our doing, Goonswarm, you have my apologies. We're working on contacting several outlets to let them know that their stories are incorrect and should be edited. Just an FYI
CCP Falcon, While I understand that you don't want Goonswarm unfairly labeled as the criminals in this matter and I agree with the sentiment, I would be careful about calling the sticker "harmless fun" unless of course you want that beautiful monument covered with every manner of corp/alliance paraphernalia next fanfest.
I could see CCP being ok with that, after all it is an expression of players enthusiasm for the game, but it could quickly get out of hand and cost real time and money to clean up even if there is no permanent damage. Perhaps you could clarify. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
14424
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Posted - 2014.05.15 05:54:00 -
[285] - Quote
oh god we're already talking about next fanfest!
jk but about the paraphernalia, how many player organisations have stickers? I'm under the impression the number is small President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Rainfleet Mk III-á |
Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
6
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Posted - 2014.05.15 06:03:00 -
[286] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:oh god we're already talking about next fanfest!
jk but about the paraphernalia, how many player organisations have stickers? I'm under the impression the number is small
More than you think. I am actually of thinking about starting a collection. -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Tryaz
Improvised Tactics
88
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Posted - 2014.05.15 09:21:00 -
[287] - Quote
mkint wrote:Hmm... some of the guys involved turned themselves in, and still got perma-banned? Not condoning what they did in any way whatsoever, but doesn't such a harsh response disincentivize people in the future from admitting to what they've done while drunk? I strongly disagree with this sentiment. As adults it was expected of the vandals that they own up and turn themselves in, had they not done so that would simply have been a further reprehensible act. Were I ever fool enough to find myself in their shoes I would be absolutely mortified to be shown leniency. This is what it means to be an adult. Narrator of Chronicles of New Eden, the EVE audiobook series. Listen at www.soundcloud.com/chroniclesofneweden |
Tryaz
Improvised Tactics
88
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Posted - 2014.05.15 09:25:00 -
[288] - Quote
Erien Rand wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Hey guys, A little update on this, I'd like to point out that there's a few news and media agencies who've took it upon themselves to use hearsay and rumor in order to get their stories together, rather than coming to us for clarification. Most of these rumors surround the fatbee that was stuck to the monument for photos on thte day it was unveiled. There's a few media outlets who are incorrectly referencing Goonswarm as the vandals, despite the fact that the sticker was put there simply for fun, and was removed a few hours later with no damage. They seem to be confusing a little bit of fun with an actual act of vandalism. Although this isn't our doing, Goonswarm, you have my apologies. We're working on contacting several outlets to let them know that their stories are incorrect and should be edited. Just an FYI CCP Falcon, While I understand that you don't want Goonswarm unfairly labeled as the criminals in this matter and I agree with the sentiment, I would be careful about calling the sticker "harmless fun" unless of course you want that beautiful monument covered with every manner of corp/alliance paraphernalia next fanfest. I could see CCP being ok with that, after all it is an expression of players enthusiasm for the game, but it could quickly get out of hand and cost real time and money to clean up even if there is no permanent damage. Perhaps you could clarify.
imo CCP Falcon is correct in his assessment and a sticker quickly removed is not an issue (even if it is childish). I would compare that to a flag /sign held up beside the monument or even a logo photoshopped on after the fact. It's not vandalism it's just low humour in poor taste
Narrator of Chronicles of New Eden, the EVE audiobook series. Listen at www.soundcloud.com/chroniclesofneweden |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
5221
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Posted - 2014.05.15 12:05:00 -
[289] - Quote
Tryaz wrote:imo CCP Falcon is correct in his assessment and a sticker quickly removed is not an issue (even if it is childish). I would compare that to a flag /sign held up beside the monument or even a logo photoshopped on after the fact. It's not vandalism it's just low humour in poor taste
Really, you think holding a flag beside a monument or photoshopping to be low humour and in poor taste?
You must be fun at parties.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
573
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Posted - 2014.05.15 17:54:00 -
[290] - Quote
Tryaz wrote:
imo CCP Falcon is correct in his assessment and a sticker quickly removed is not an issue (even if it is childish). I would compare that to a flag /sign held up beside the monument or even a logo photoshopped on after the fact. It's not vandalism it's just low humour in poor taste
I wouldn't call a "few hours" quickly removed. And who knows what chemicals were in the glue on the sticker? Something in it might react with the sea air to cause staining.
And humor is one of those things pretty much in the eye of the beholder - you can never be sure in our multicultural EVE world when it might be considered a serious troll or insult.
Best to just be hands off the monument completely.
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Rain6637
Team Evil
14430
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Posted - 2014.05.16 11:34:00 -
[291] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:Tryaz wrote:imo CCP Falcon is correct in his assessment and a sticker quickly removed is not an issue (even if it is childish). I would compare that to a flag /sign held up beside the monument or even a logo photoshopped on after the fact. It's not vandalism it's just low humour in poor taste
Really, you think holding a flag beside a monument or photoshopping to be low humour and in poor taste? You must be fun at parties. let's be fair, it's kinda hard to top Panda McLegion.
Panda..... McLegion! omg gets me every time I see it President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet mk.III-á| Twitch | Imgur | Content \o/ |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5323
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Posted - 2014.05.16 16:35:00 -
[292] - Quote
Now that we know a sticker is just 'harmless fun', I look forward to seeing how many are pasted on the monument next year.
Once might be harmless, but by CCP apparently saying that it is of no consequence and not taking it seriously, I suspect there will be dozens, if not hundreds of them plastered on the statue next Fanfest.
That will not be good for anyone.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9887
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Posted - 2014.05.16 20:36:00 -
[293] - Quote
Who else even has stickers? We have our own merchandise shop that sells them $0.50 per. I seriously doubt it will ever be a major problem. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4899
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Posted - 2014.05.17 01:59:00 -
[294] - Quote
Oh look everybody wants to start gaming what vandalism is or is not. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Mass Doe
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2014.05.17 15:00:00 -
[295] - Quote
Ok forgive my naivet+¬. I am a mega noob.
Is this a real life monument? Or is it graphics somewhere in game. If the latter how on earth could it get vandalized?
Again im opening myself up for a bash here but I am honestly curious about this? I promise I am not trolling. |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
1153
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Posted - 2014.05.17 16:40:00 -
[296] - Quote
Mass Doe wrote:Ok forgive my naivet+¬. I am a mega noob.
Is this a real life monument? Or is it graphics somewhere in game. If the latter how on earth could it get vandalized?
Again im opening myself up for a bash here but I am honestly curious about this? I promise I am not trolling.
Real.
m
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
4299
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Posted - 2014.05.18 12:04:00 -
[297] - Quote
KIller Wabbit wrote:
Best to just be hands off the monument completely.
Best just bulldoze it into the ocean so no one else's feelies get hurted by the next thing that happens to it "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
1187
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Posted - 2014.05.18 16:24:00 -
[298] - Quote
You cater to a neckbeards and children with bullying issues, and you really expected any different behavior other than what you get?
It's sad, but i'm actually looking forwards to my accounts expiring, so I don't have an excuse to troll here anymore.
The game had great possibilities, but CCP has no clue how to fix all the problems, and clearly can't get competent coders to go to that wasteland called Iceland.
CCP: "We know what's best for the game, so you can't have any options....." |
Rain6637
Team Evil
14618
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Posted - 2014.05.18 20:31:00 -
[299] - Quote
contract me your stuff first President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet mk.III-á| Twitch | Imgur | Content \o/ |
Marsha Mallow
589
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Posted - 2014.05.18 21:56:00 -
[300] - Quote
Beekeeper Bob wrote:You cater to a neckbeards and children with bullying issues, and you really expected any different behavior other than what you get? It's sad, but i'm actually looking forwards to my accounts expiring, so I don't have an excuse to troll here anymore. The game had great possibilities, but CCP has no clue how to fix all the problems, and clearly can't get competent coders to go to that wasteland called Iceland. With an attitude like that, it's not sad in the least. Keep your stuff. Bye o/ TO THE RIPARDMOBILE! |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
9967
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Posted - 2014.05.18 22:30:00 -
[301] - Quote
Beekeeper Bob wrote:You cater to a neckbeards and children with bullying issues, and you really expected any different behavior other than what you get? It's sad, but i'm actually looking forwards to my accounts expiring, so I don't have an excuse to troll here anymore. The game had great possibilities, but CCP has no clue how to fix all the problems, and clearly can't get competent coders to go to that wasteland called Iceland. Good riddance you're finally leaving. That's a reward in itself. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Markus45
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.05.19 03:31:00 -
[302] - Quote
Beekeeper Bob wrote:You cater to a neckbeards and children with bullying issues, and you really expected any different behavior other than what you get? Pretty much this. Most of the game's problems come down to, "catering to neckbeards and man-children with bullying issues"
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Shurgin Ambraelle
The Flying Dead Bloodline.
9
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Posted - 2014.05.19 06:11:00 -
[303] - Quote
Beekeeper Bob wrote:You cater to a neckbeards and children with bullying issues, and you really expected any different behavior other than what you get? It's sad, but i'm actually looking forwards to my accounts expiring, so I don't have an excuse to troll here anymore. The game had great possibilities, but CCP has no clue how to fix all the problems, and clearly can't get competent coders to go to that wasteland called Iceland.
Can I have your ships so I can 100 noobs blow them up with fireworks? Just asking.... -The Gene Pool Could Use a Little Chlorine!! Proud Member of the Flying Dead/Bloodline
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Markus45
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2014.05.19 15:13:00 -
[304] - Quote
Also confirming that cyberbullying people dozens of times is a lot worse a thing to do than defacing a monument while drunk.
There are hundreds of members of EVE Online who have cyberbullied other members of EVE Online dozens of times. Almost none of those hundreds we're ever banned.
CCP once again fails to have consistency in their thinking.
Their tldr is pretty much: "Screw around with others, that's cool. Screw around with us, not cool." The argument of "real life" vs "the internet" will come into play here... my response to that is all interaction over the internet occurs in real life. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
3678
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Posted - 2014.05.19 15:50:00 -
[305] - Quote
Blowing up your Internet spaceship is not vandalism. nor, in fact, does it constitute cyberbullying. Don't dilute the term by confusing legitimate-but-ruthless game activity with actual personal harassment with the intent of causing emotional distress.
The last time I recall seeing a genuine case of cyberbullying in this community, the individual in question was kicked off the CSM, swiftly and efficiently. The last time I saw an actual crime committed in this community and involving the game, the response was similarly swift and merciless.
HTFU. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Auar
Rough x Riders Masters of Flying Objects
6
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Posted - 2014.05.19 18:31:00 -
[306] - Quote
Might be a good idea to install station guns on the monument to discourage future vandalism... |
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ISD Tyrozan
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
386
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Posted - 2014.05.19 21:20:00 -
[307] - Quote
CCP attack post has been removed. ISD Tyrozan Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISDTyrozan | @ISD_CCL |
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Ketata Shardani
done fours
0
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Posted - 2014.05.20 07:59:00 -
[308] - Quote
Destination SkillQueue wrote:TheMercenaryKing wrote:Is the Icelandic judicial system involved? I know it's a crime, but how far is CCP going? That is probably an issue between CCP, the criminal system and the accused. We don't have any need to know. now I don't how it works in Iceland but in the U.S. all criminal cases, charges, court process are public record which could lead to further crimes committed towards the vandals which is probably not what CCP wants. Artillery, some say Minmatar. I say KING OF BATTLE HOOAH |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
2882
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Posted - 2014.05.20 14:23:00 -
[309] - Quote
I want a public auction of all seized in-game assets
I also, tend to agree that public humiliation is one of the best deterrents with financial reparations coming in as a close second, but I respect CCP for choosing a course and sticking to it.
Well played CCP! |
Ravasta Helugo
Republic University Minmatar Republic
285
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Posted - 2014.05.22 19:28:00 -
[310] - Quote
Doc Fury wrote:What steps has CCP taken (or plans to take) to prevent future abuse/vandalism of the monument? Permanent CONCORD spawn. |
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Steven Alfrir
Republic University Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2014.05.25 05:35:00 -
[311] - Quote
They deserve to be ripped apart in a gladiator match hosted in the Colosseum in Rome. Nuff said |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4548
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Posted - 2014.05.26 07:22:00 -
[312] - Quote
Steven Alfrir wrote:They deserve to be ripped apart in a gladiator match hosted in the Colosseum in Rome. Nuff said
I dont know where to begin pointing out the things wrong with this sentence "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells Beer needs you
393
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Posted - 2014.05.26 13:25:00 -
[313] - Quote
Hmmm no lynching party then
Wot about a firing squad one post embedded deep in to the ground one length of rope to tie the permaban to and 20 fully auto paintball guns with 200 balls per gun and tie him semi naked (he gets to keep his underwear on) to the post.
Then give him PAAIIINNNN!!!! You only-árealise you life has been a waste of time, when you wake up dead. |
breadic jackson
Capsuleer Training
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Posted - 2014.05.27 15:45:00 -
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In the words of evefest 2014. Distry distry distry the hide of some people |
Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
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Posted - 2014.05.28 14:56:00 -
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I read the entire thread and find it highly interesting that all or most players consider permabanning the offenders a fitting response or even too lenient. Especially if I compare it to the banning of Erotica1. Let`s recap some of the arguments of Erotica's defenders:
- It's not against the EULA. - The game is marketed as "be the villain", so let him be as evil as he likes. - The incident was out of game (on a TS server). You cannot react ingame to out of game actions. - Publicly deriding others is acceptable metagame and should be supported. - I lol'd, so let him go free. - You just want to impose your questionable moral standards on others. - This is a slippery slope towards banning everyone for no apparent reason.
All these arguments could be applied to this incident as well. Where are all the defenders of the sandbox now?
Personally I couldn't care less if a monument in a remote country is defaced or not. I am also not affected by someone being humilated in the internet. But I know I would rather be and play with people who commit very light cases of vandalism than people who enjoy humiliating others. |
Sissy Fuzz
Sissy Fuzz Communications
21
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Posted - 2014.05.28 22:43:00 -
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mkint wrote:Most people don't consider vandalism to be that big a deal (unless it happens to themselves.)
Where do you have that degenerate notion from?
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4614
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Posted - 2014.05.29 08:53:00 -
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Sissy Fuzz wrote:mkint wrote:Most people don't consider vandalism to be that big a deal (unless it happens to themselves.) Where do you have that degenerate notion from?
From observation of the world around him, Ill bet.
You cleaned any grafitti up that you didnt cause or is not on your property or something you are responsible for recently?
"A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2968
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Posted - 2014.05.29 12:16:00 -
[318] - Quote
Sequester Risalo wrote:I read the entire thread and find it highly interesting that all or most players consider permabanning the offenders a fitting response or even too lenient. Especially if I compare it to the banning of Erotica1. Let`s recap some of the arguments of Erotica's defenders:
- It's not against the EULA. - The game is marketed as "be the villain", so let him be as evil as he likes. - The incident was out of game (on a TS server). You cannot react ingame to out of game actions. - Publicly deriding others is acceptable metagame and should be supported. - I lol'd, so let him go free. - You just want to impose your questionable moral standards on others. - This is a slippery slope towards banning everyone for no apparent reason.
All these arguments could be applied to this incident as well. Where are all the defenders of the sandbox now?
Personally I couldn't care less if a monument in a remote country is defaced or not. I am also not affected by someone being humilated in the internet. But I know I would rather be and play with people who commit very light cases of vandalism than people who enjoy humiliating others.
So let me understand, you're fine with people vandalizing other peoples property, ruining a piece of work for the community, and causing real monetary damage
but if you ask someone to sing a song on teamspeak, thats unacceptable!
Priorities are a bit backwards there, mate |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4623
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Posted - 2014.05.29 12:46:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:Sequester Risalo wrote:I read the entire thread and find it highly interesting that all or most players consider permabanning the offenders a fitting response or even too lenient. Especially if I compare it to the banning of Erotica1. Let`s recap some of the arguments of Erotica's defenders:
- It's not against the EULA. - The game is marketed as "be the villain", so let him be as evil as he likes. - The incident was out of game (on a TS server). You cannot react ingame to out of game actions. - Publicly deriding others is acceptable metagame and should be supported. - I lol'd, so let him go free. - You just want to impose your questionable moral standards on others. - This is a slippery slope towards banning everyone for no apparent reason.
All these arguments could be applied to this incident as well. Where are all the defenders of the sandbox now?
Personally I couldn't care less if a monument in a remote country is defaced or not. I am also not affected by someone being humilated in the internet. But I know I would rather be and play with people who commit very light cases of vandalism than people who enjoy humiliating others. So let me understand, you're fine with people vandalizing other peoples property, ruining a piece of work for the community, and causing real monetary damage but if you ask someone to sing a song on teamspeak, thats unacceptable! Priorities are a bit backwards there, mate
That's not what was said, but feel free to exaggerate the semantics to suit your point of view. "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries Order of the Exalted
598
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Posted - 2014.05.29 17:16:00 -
[320] - Quote
Sequester Risalo wrote:I read the entire thread and find it highly interesting that all or most players consider permabanning the offenders a fitting response or even too lenient. Especially if I compare it to the banning of Erotica1. Let`s recap some of the arguments of Erotica's defenders:
- It's not against the EULA. - The game is marketed as "be the villain", so let him be as evil as he likes. - The incident was out of game (on a TS server). You cannot react ingame to out of game actions. - Publicly deriding others is acceptable metagame and should be supported. - I lol'd, so let him go free. - You just want to impose your questionable moral standards on others. - This is a slippery slope towards banning everyone for no apparent reason.
All these arguments could be applied to this incident as well. Where are all the defenders of the sandbox now?
Personally I couldn't care less if a monument in a remote country is defaced or not. I am also not affected by someone being humilated in the internet. But I know I would rather be and play with people who commit very light cases of vandalism than people who enjoy humiliating others. Are you really comparing a scam that combined some possibly questionable tear milking with real world vandalism that had financial and legal ramifications? New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
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Mythrandier
Corporate Scum Cult of War
373
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Posted - 2014.05.29 19:59:00 -
[321] - Quote
Sometimes I really am ashamed to be a member of our species.
It's a game for fracks sake, sheesh. "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." --á D. Adams. |
Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
0
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Posted - 2014.05.30 06:53:00 -
[322] - Quote
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Are you really comparing a scam that combined some possibly questionable tear milking with real world vandalism that had financial and legal ramifications?
Although I do have an opinion on both incidents and I do indeed value the integrity and well being of persons and their privacy higher than the integrity and well-being of things that was not the point I was trying to make.
I was simply calling out Erotica1 apologists as hypocrites. They raised their arguments in one case and are silent in another. Seems like they don't stick to their own beliefs.
If their arguments, which I simply restated, seem weak to you in this case, guess what they are in the other. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4638
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Posted - 2014.05.30 07:07:00 -
[323] - Quote
Mythrandier wrote: Sometimes I really am ashamed to be a member of our species.
It's a game for fracks sake, sheesh.
Actually, its a monument
But I can see how you might be confused "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4638
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Posted - 2014.05.30 07:09:00 -
[324] - Quote
Sequester Risalo wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Are you really comparing a scam that combined some possibly questionable tear milking with real world vandalism that had financial and legal ramifications? Although I do have an opinion on both incidents and I do indeed value the integrity and well being of persons and their privacy higher than the integrity and well-being of things that was not the point I was trying to make. I was simply calling out Erotica1 apologists as hypocrites. They raised their arguments in one case and are silent in another. Seems like they don't stick to their own beliefs. If their arguments, which I simply restated, seem weak to you in this case, guess what they are in the other.
"There is no weaker argument than attacking someone in absentium" - Charles M Schultz
Go on, names and citations please, or are you just climbing up that ivory tower to be seen and heard? "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2968
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Posted - 2014.05.30 10:43:00 -
[325] - Quote
Sequester Risalo wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Are you really comparing a scam that combined some possibly questionable tear milking with real world vandalism that had financial and legal ramifications? Although I do have an opinion on both incidents and I do indeed value the integrity and well being of persons and their privacy higher than the integrity and well-being of things that was not the point I was trying to make. I was simply calling out Erotica1 apologists as hypocrites. They raised their arguments in one case and are silent in another. Seems like they don't stick to their own beliefs. If their arguments, which I simply restated, seem weak to you in this case, guess what they are in the other.
Did you miss the part of the erotica1 ordeal where the "victim" himself came out and said he wasn't bothered by it at all - he just lost his temper, but that it wasn't a big deal to him?
Either you're unfortunately uninformed about this issue, or you're deliberately misrepresenting it, or just merely parroting what riptard said
Edit to bring it back on topic: And again, there's a big difference between someone getting irritated or annoyed by events in a video game they're playing, and willfully damaging or destroying other peoples real world property. There's no hypocrisy because the two situations are so wildly different that only a fool would compare them. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4644
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Posted - 2014.05.30 11:20:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote: there's a big difference between someone getting irritated or annoyed by events in a video game they're playing, and willfully damaging or destroying other peoples real world property. There's no hypocrisy because the two situations are so wildly different that only a fool would compare them.
This is true
Though what I dont get is why people are so upset about a bit of damage to a thing they want to kill or maim over it
When I kill or main I dont need an excuse to get all pissy about "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Panhandle Industries Order of the Exalted
611
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Posted - 2014.05.30 16:54:00 -
[327] - Quote
Sequester Risalo wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Are you really comparing a scam that combined some possibly questionable tear milking with real world vandalism that had financial and legal ramifications? Although I do have an opinion on both incidents and I do indeed value the integrity and well being of persons and their privacy higher than the integrity and well-being of things that was not the point I was trying to make. I was simply calling out Erotica1 apologists as hypocrites. They raised their arguments in one case and are silent in another. Seems like they don't stick to their own beliefs. If their arguments, which I simply restated, seem weak to you in this case, guess what they are in the other. No need to use the third person here. I participated in some bonus rooms, felt a little uncomfortable with some aspects of it, and stopped. If Ero was guilty of anything, it was taking trolling a little too far. He never set out to commit criminal actions (and in my eyes did not deserve a permanent ban). You are comparing two very different cases, claiming that arguments can stand irrespective of the subject being argued.
What you don't seem to understand is that this incident is unrelated to eve as a game. It is criminal action that is hurtful towards the eve playerbase as a whole.
Quote:- It's not against the EULA. - The game is marketed as "be the villain", so let him be as evil as he likes. - The incident was out of game (on a TS server). You cannot react ingame to out of game actions. - Publicly deriding others is acceptable metagame and should be supported. - I lol'd, so let him go free. - You just want to impose your questionable moral standards on others. - This is a slippery slope towards banning everyone for no apparent reason. "Its not against the EULA" - I believe ccp cares about criminal actions at tad more than the EULA in most cases. "The incident was out of game (on a TS server). You cannot react ingame to out of game actions." - This argument is bullshit to begin with. Even so, Ero was probably (noone except CCP knows for sure) banned for ingame references to out of game actions. "Publicly deriding others is acceptable metagame and should be supported." - Doesn't apply to the current topic in any way. "I lol'd, so let him go free." - What? "You just want to impose your questionable moral standards on others." - Have you actually bothered mentioning arguments or are you just listing fallacies from a philosophy textbook? "This is a slippery slope towards banning everyone for no apparent reason." - I guess that answers the previous question.
Ramona McCandless wrote:This is true
Though what I dont get is why people are so upset about a bit of damage to a thing they want to kill or maim over it
When I kill or main I dont need an excuse to get all pissy about Obviously some people aren't as well adjusted as you are Ramona! New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Jawa Strong
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.30 17:02:00 -
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"Secondly, we would like to reiterate that we do not tolerate this kind of behavior and will continue to operate a zero tolerance approach to dealing with harassment and victimization in the EVE Universe. "
This seems hypocritical. When harassment and victimization in the EVE Universe is encouraged and rewarded. When issues of this nature are brought up the response has always been "Working as Intended". The monument should have had better security. It got ganked. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10168
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Posted - 2014.05.30 21:21:00 -
[329] - Quote
Jawa Strong wrote:When harassment and victimization in the EVE Universe is encouraged and rewarded. No, it isn't. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
208
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Posted - 2014.05.31 17:14:00 -
[330] - Quote
I only just learned of this, how lame that these people went to iceland just to wreck the monument, what shallow pathetic fleshy blobs they must be, to have that little moral fibre and respect.
I hope the people who did it have to pay the repair costs too, let them realise that real world crime has real world consequence. Internet spaceships ends when they leave the computer. I hope CCP can also find a way to permaban them eternally, just to really drive home the message about taking game grudges into the real world and how its not acceptable.
This all make Mittens fanfest ordeal seem quite sedate and irrelevant tbh |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4660
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Posted - 2014.06.01 01:14:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:This is true
Though what I dont get is why people are so upset about a bit of damage to a thing they want to kill or maim over it
When I kill or main I dont need an excuse to get all pissy about Obviously some people aren't as well adjusted as you are Ramona!
Iknorite?
I do try to help where I can
Perhaps I should work harder towards making the Ministry of Alterations a real thing "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "As Ramona previously mentioned, that is correct." --áISD Supogo |
Xenuria
Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet Market and Contract PVP
863
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Posted - 2014.06.01 04:56:00 -
[332] - Quote
Jawa Strong wrote:"Secondly, we would like to reiterate that we do not tolerate this kind of behavior and will continue to operate a zero tolerance approach to dealing with harassment and victimization in the EVE Universe. "
This seems hypocritical. When harassment and victimization in the EVE Universe is encouraged and rewarded. When issues of this nature are brought up the response has always been "Working as Intended". The monument should have had better security. It got ganked.
Let me try and explain the difference.
When a player ganks another player ingame or scams them, this is working as intended.
If a player harasses another player at an irl event because of something in-game this is NOT working as intended. Some people are unwilling to see the distinction.
I am 100% in support of all the horrible stuff that happens INSIDE the game client. I am 100% against any form of bullying or victimization happening OUTSIDE the game client.
Does that make sense?
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
10218
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Posted - 2014.06.01 21:40:00 -
[333] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Perhaps I should work harder towards making the Ministry of Alterations a real thing I have some pants that need hemming. "Pretty much all 14 of the CSM were in favor of a drone assign nerf for OBVIOUS gameplay reasons" - Sala Cameron
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4689
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Posted - 2014.06.02 00:01:00 -
[334] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Perhaps I should work harder towards making the Ministry of Alterations a real thing I have some pants that need hemming. lol
Not that kind of Alteration, but I loled so yeah I can get a lobotomised sebiestor slave to do that for you.
Oh wait, they come braindead already, oops "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |
Vivec Septim
The Bene Gesserit Sanctuary Pact
30
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Posted - 2014.06.02 20:00:00 -
[335] - Quote
Well -- some people have a hard time with that distinction -- in-game and in real life.
I think it goes to the core culture in-game affecting those outside of the game without any real anchor or identity.
Is this EVE's fault?
I don't believe so. Be good or bad in the game, and outside, lets treat each other with respect. You don't have to like them, but you do need to learn to coexist. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
4754
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Posted - 2014.06.02 20:24:00 -
[336] - Quote
Vivec Septim wrote:Well -- some people have a hard time with that distinction -- in-game and in real life.
I think it goes to the core culture in-game affecting those outside of the game without any real anchor or identity.
Is this EVE's fault?
I don't believe so. Be good or bad in the game, and outside, lets treat each other with respect. You don't have to like them, but you do need to learn to coexist. Your Lawful Good nature is strangely infectious
Id better get some pills
Or a topical
Or some Lilt "A naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares "(Understanding when to fight and when not to) doesn't make the cautious pilot a care bear.... it makes him a winner." - Barbara Nichole |
Aeligos
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.06.03 03:56:00 -
[337] - Quote
Wow
I can't believe this.
I hadn't heard of this until now upon visiting this thread.... I"m just a lowly miner, mining my business like a buzzy lil bee...
How was it vandalized? |
Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
28
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Posted - 2014.06.03 09:53:00 -
[338] - Quote
im just going to call it like I freaking see so if feelings get hurt.. you're still an idiot for allowing this to occur.
plain as day everyone knows ccp marketed this game to all crazies and sociopaths around the globe. they also encouraged to develop a very harsh and mean in-game atmosphere. where up to a certain degree bullying, disrespect, victimization is actually allowed. if its not one thing its another.. eve online is known as one of if not the only one. the craziest mmo full of all kinds of mental heads.. You ccp should have had that thing under close guard at all times. that's all on you and your ego thinking no one will touch it.. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INSIDE! common freaking sense should have told you folks that "hey there's crazies in the game that could travel up here and ruin our investment".. but no.. ccp plays friendly with the sicko's and think its cool to be friends with them.. epic freaking in denial as thinking ccp. That's all on you and nothing but you that brought that attack on. You didn't even bother to think it would happen.. do you believe in unicorns as well?
and like banning someone will really do something.. eve online IS land of the alts! from yesterday, to today, into tomorrow.. what makes you so sure those idiots are gone and never will come back.
that thing should have been inside. I was against it cause I just knew it was going to happen.. someone with but hurt feelings and a revenge streak until next decades server reset saw that coming.. im amazed they just didn't do it during the fan fest.. how come you guys couldn't place better security around it.. on it.. again it should be inside.
this was an insult to the community and who ever got the heat.. and a direct FU to ccp and what they think of you..
you should really begin backing up your words and stand up for Anti-bullying campaigns and what not.. then again you are the same people that invite someone to play the villain.. lol
you cater to the sicko's.. do not expect the sicko's to not have a field day. cause you sat there and allowed it.
now many will sit up and deny that "eve is so evil cause yada yada yada".. but in reality one can just check local chat logs and see the words and take a few looks at crap folks have on their bio pages.. just to name a couple points about this evil game world ccp allowed to become..
no wonder folks are leaving, no wonder you cant keep new players,, its cause of this and i'll tell you some thing I hope you drag that thing inside before what ever happened to it becomes an annual "burn jita" like tradition.
think people think!.
if ccp stuck by their words.. then they should revamp and revise their harassment policies cause no matter the PR you still allow plenty of folks to get away with it. oh that's right.. you cant cause you hate carebears.. |
Ryuu Towryk
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.06.03 12:01:00 -
[339] - Quote
Jawa Strong wrote:"Secondly, we would like to reiterate that we do not tolerate this kind of behavior and will continue to operate a zero tolerance approach to dealing with harassment and victimization in the EVE Universe. "
This seems hypocritical. When harassment and victimization in the EVE Universe is encouraged and rewarded. When issues of this nature are brought up the response has always been "Working as Intended". The monument should have had better security. It got ganked.
Video game world Gëá Real life. Do people really need to be told this?
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