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Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15279
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:43:00 -
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Is it really so ******* hard for you people to understand that actually ******* voting will generally increase your chances of seeing the candidates you want get elected?
Maybe you should suggest that CCP should use a new voting system for CSM10: the Single Transferrable Whine system. For every petulant, entitled, self-centred and useless post you make - on any forum - about the CSM process, you get a vote. This system should ensure your hegemony in eternity.
If you mouthy oxygen thieves put 1% of the effort into participating that you do into complaining about not winning when you, er, didn't participate, you'd crush the goons and hear the lamentations of their waifus.
But no.
For a year I have had to read over and over and over again the same old complaint "CCP expect me to actually put some effort into researching who I want to vote for and then as well expect me to go to all the trouble of voting again. And also other people are allowed to vote for people I don't like, what the hell? A bloo bloo ******* hoo."
Well here's the truth, buttercups: the following people are glad as hell that all you do is cry instead of voting:
(1) Me (2) People who care about the game
Stay useless, idiots. We need you to.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15287
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Posted - 2014.05.04 22:46:00 -
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Incidentally to save you Moaning Myrtles the trouble of actually clicking a button, I have reported the above post to ISD for lack of respect towards other forums users. Consider it my last act on your behalf as a player rep.
I.
Plead.
Guilty. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15288
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:00:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Malcanis wrote:Is it really so ******* hard for you people to understand that actually ******* voting will generally increase your chances of seeing the candidates you want get elected?
Um, Malcanis, that was sort of the point. Everyone I knew voted AGAINST the guys we got, and goons pointed out that it DID NOT MATTER because their alliance and co voted that way, and that was 30k votes.
No it wasn't you bad-at-maths liar. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15293
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:06:00 -
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So yeah, here's the thing.
I've just come back from FanFest X. I had a really good time*. I went to some panels and presentations and whatnot (btw: apologies for the craptastic CSM panel; there was supposed to be a presentation and stats and facts and such, but there was apparently a technical difficulty, so we got stranded in "So... er... any questions?" mode). I spent most of my time talking to other EVE players. Not just devs, not just CSM people, mostly just ordinary EVE (and some DUST) players.
Here's a thing I discovered that you need to know: there are players out there who genuinely like this game. They're able to combine scepticism with enthusiasm. They can see the upsides of change as well as downsides. You can discuss development with them, and even people who are worried that their current profession is threatened or challenged can have a sensible conversation about how to adapt and even profit.
It's possible.
Who knew?
*Many thanks for the free holiday "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15293
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:08:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Malcanis wrote:Incidentally to save you Moaning Myrtles the trouble of actually clicking a button, I have reported the above post to ISD for lack of respect towards other forums users. Consider it my last act on your behalf as a player rep.
I.
Plead.
Guilty. Well, on behalf of those who appreciate the effort put in over the last year: thank you. You did a good job and it is appreciated. Don't take too long a break
You told me that you regretted voting for me before the election was even over!
Anyway the moral is: never read forums. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15296
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:24:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Malcanis wrote:Incidentally to save you Moaning Myrtles the trouble of actually clicking a button, I have reported the above post to ISD for lack of respect towards other forums users. Consider it my last act on your behalf as a player rep.
I.
Plead.
Guilty. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Why don't you go vote about it? "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15305
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Posted - 2014.05.05 07:56:00 -
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I'll say this for Dinsdale: at least he doesn't run around bleating that "The CSM are useless".
His faith in our effectiveness was often inspiring. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15320
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:44:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:I must admit, I am starting to wonder if the transparent elections that have always been a there are a thing of the past.
Given the STV voting system they really need to remain transparent.
But then we have not actually even gotten confirmation as to the successful candidates on these forums by CCP.
Nobody actually voted. CCP just picked the 14 people they wanted.
Please go about your business in an orderly fashion. You are being watched at all times for your own safety. Subversive activity will not be tolerated. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15320
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Posted - 2014.05.06 14:56:00 -
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La Nariz wrote: You are right though nerfing highsec is the best way to combat falling subs.
I'm pretty confident that fixing POS, reworking sovereignty and making corp & alliance features work properly, along with giving power projection a savage kick in the balls, would all be more effective development targets.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15333
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Posted - 2014.05.07 13:11:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Malcanis wrote:La Nariz wrote: You are right though nerfing highsec is the best way to combat falling subs.
I'm pretty confident that fixing POS, reworking sovereignty and making corp & alliance features work properly, along with giving power projection a savage kick in the balls, would all be more effective development targets. Yeah, now that your stated goal (about 12 months ago) was to wreck high sec industry. Mission accomplished, on to the next task.
My stated goal was to make 0.0 (and W-space and lo-sec) industry viable.
If you think that having less than 99% of non-supercap production is "wrecking" hi-sec industry then yeah that was my goal. I'd like to see people who want to live in 0.0 doing industry in 0.0 rather than being FORCED!!!!!!! to operate in hi-sec as at present "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
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Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15335
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Posted - 2014.05.07 14:46:00 -
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Angeleh wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I mean it. Highsec has monopolized the industrial landscape for too long. Other parts of space should get to have a piece of the pie. The materials are hard to to impossible to get in hi sec, all other secs have a better opportunity to manufacture if they so desire. But maybe there is a difference on mindset between the people that prefer hi sec and those that prefer null that is the cause of this and not the materials? Now if this is the case you will possible just make people quit the game and not increase the amount of people that manufacture in low / null by hurting hi sec.
Yeah, man, those poor hi-seccers who have to go to 0.0 to get skillbooks, datacores, access to the big market hubs where the regionally produced moon minerals are traded and of course local access to the high bulk minerals.
You know, you're right. I squeezed one last trip out of my CSM Time Machine and went back and had CCP add all those things to hi-sec and take them away from 0.0.
We good now? "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15380
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:29:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Malcanis wrote:Angeleh wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I mean it. Highsec has monopolized the industrial landscape for too long. Other parts of space should get to have a piece of the pie. The materials are hard to to impossible to get in hi sec, all other secs have a better opportunity to manufacture if they so desire. But maybe there is a difference on mindset between the people that prefer hi sec and those that prefer null that is the cause of this and not the materials? Now if this is the case you will possible just make people quit the game and not increase the amount of people that manufacture in low / null by hurting hi sec. Yeah, man, those poor hi-seccers who have to go to 0.0 to get skillbooks, datacores, access to the big market hubs where the regionally produced moon minerals are traded and of course local access to the high bulk minerals. You know, you're right. I squeezed one last trip out of my CSM Time Machine and went back and had CCP add all those things to hi-sec and take them away from 0.0. We good now? Yeah, you are good. Are you seriously suggesting that all these changes are fair because null sec players have to come to high sec for skillbooks? (BTW, biggest supply of datacores is not high sec) One of the dev's can't remember which one, promised months ago that no one zone would ever be able to be independent of the rest, economically and resource wise. The architects of this mess turned that into a complete lie. There is nothing, NOTHING, that null sec cannot now produce more efficiently than high sec. The cartels are already planning on controlling the most lucrative products (one of the goonswarm guys posted that fact, day 2, citing jump freighters as an example), and there is absolutely nothing high sec can do about it, except watch the vast majority of its industrial profits be diverted to the cartels.
Sorry I missed the devblog where datacore production is being moved out of hi-sec, Could you point me to it?
Also when did CCP redistribute all the moons evenly across 0.0 to make sure that T2 producers don't have to import any of it? "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15380
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:30:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Oh, and on a separate note, yet another day passes, no dev blog on the breakdown of the CSM vote.
Like I said before:
2012: blog released same day as CSM results 2013: blog released hours after CSM results 2014: blog released......
Welcome to transparency.
Let me tell you about Dolan Standard Time
(next week) "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15402
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:02:00 -
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Nam Dnilb wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:So, now that Dolan is history, what is the over / under on the CSM results? Saturday, Sunday, June, October? My money is on never.
I hope you weren't too attached to your money.
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/csm9-presenting-the-new-council-members-election-data-and-officer-changes/ "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15402
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:15:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Cygnet Lythanea wrote: Interestingly, the second largest block of voters was 30 day old accounts. CCP states that voting was down this time, significantly.
This is my surprised face. And CCP really believes the bad voter turnout was simply due to a lack of player awareness about the CSM. This is an interesting position to put forward when all those new eggs seemed to be aware enough to vote. I would expect most official communication from CCP for the rest of the next year to be sprinkled with praise about how good a job the CSM is doing "representing" players. I would not be surprised if we see a blog or even a video dedicated to that purpose to reinforce the propaganda.
Is it so hard to believe that 14 EVE players might want EVE to be a better game, and go to some effort to try and help this happen?
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15402
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:25:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Malcanis wrote:Is it so hard to believe that 14 EVE players might want EVE to be a better game, and go to some effort to try and help this happen?
yes.
What an unhappy world you live in.
Let me be your little ray of sunshine by assuring that we do and we did (well, 13 of us anyway)
I hope that has brightened your bleak, hopeless existence just a little, even if the sheer evanesence of the experience only served to deepen your gloom by contrasting it. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15402
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:26:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Malcanis wrote: Is it so hard to believe that 14 EVE players might want EVE to be a better game, and go to some effort to try and help this happen?
I think whats really being said by some of us (I may be reading Doc wrong) is that a democratic process is not necessarily the best way to select those who want to make the game better. That said, those (inc yourself) that Ive heard speak on various subjects seem to have it close to your hearts, so something is working.
Perhaps I'm biased, but democracy produced a pretty good team last year.
It's a truism that every nation gets the government it deserves. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15404
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Posted - 2014.05.09 16:28:00 -
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I'm on holiday and slumming it with the dirty skanks of the Deep Core red light district. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15406
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:21:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Perhaps I'm biased, but democracy produced a pretty good team last year.
It's a truism that every nation gets the government it deserves.
I cant and wont argue with empirical evidence, that would be silly lol But I do feel that roles should be offered to those best at the job, rather than on the whim of the masses. Thats just my two cents. Coming from where I do, democracy is nothing but trouble lol.
It should be recalled that the CSM's original role was to keep CCP honest. Luckily, that's not really an issue these days, but arguably that's at least partly because the CSM has helped to keep CCP honest.
That's not a responsibility that's compatible with CCP directly choosing the CSM.
I know what the voter figures are this year, and it's a large enough number to make meaningful choices between a decent sized candidate pool. If only a fraction of EVE players want to make the effort and take responsibility for informing themselves sufficiently to make a meaningful vote, then tbh, I'm kind of OK with that as long as the voter pool is big enough. And I think that it is.
But let's be honest with ourselves here: most people don't vote because they simply don't care enough and so can't be bothered. Most of the shallow cynicism and hostility towards the CSM is basically a tissue-thin wrapper around this obvious turd.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15406
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Posted - 2014.05.09 17:23:00 -
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When CCP were talking with CSm8 about what they could do to get voter numbers up, we told them, sure, more publicity, maybe an evemail to new players explaining the process with links to relevent pages, yadda yadda, but the only real way to get a bunch of people voting was for CCP to propose doing something incredibly awful.
EG: let's say that CCP proposed to remove CONCORD (or introduce CONCORD to lo-sec) 6 weeks before the election and threw open a "comments" thread. I would bet money that this would see an extra 10k voters. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
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Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15426
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:35:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Malcanis wrote:
I know what the voter figures are this year, and it's a large enough number to make meaningful choices between a decent sized candidate pool. If only a fraction of EVE players want to make the effort and take responsibility for informing themselves sufficiently to make a meaningful vote, then tbh, I'm kind of OK with that as long as the voter pool is big enough. And I think that it is.
But let's be honest with ourselves here: most people don't vote because they simply don't care enough and so can't be bothered. Most of the shallow cynicism and hostility towards the CSM is basically a tissue-thin wrapper around this obvious turd.
I have voted each year expect this year because from what I saw the pool to choose from was well.. awful. I believed that it did not matter who was voted in as they are all cut from the same cloth and many of the candidates are people who failed to get into previous CSM's. On top of this none of them particularly did a good job of selling themselves. . That is not CCP fault and it is not the concept of the CSM at fault. If not enough worth while candidates are running for CSM then you have to ask the question why? Is it because they believe no matter how good their campaign might be, they would never be able to over come the block vote? Is it because they do not believe that the CSM have any real power to guide CCP and if so why do they believe that? As for not caring, why do players not care? What is it that makes the majority of players not give a rats ass about the CSM. I have never seen anybody from CCP really try and get a handle on this. Why have CCP never sent out a questionnaire to all subscribers asking them their thoughts on the CSM I do not know. There are things CCP could do to try and find out why the players are not interested if they really do care about the credibility of the CSM and being months late with the meeting minutes does not help. I actually believe that CSM8 was the best CSM we have ever had and had the best chance ever to really show the player base how effective a CSM can be, however CCP once again let them down and that appears to be a recurring theme with the entire CSM concept.
Well 5 of CSM8 have been re-elected; CSM9 can't be that bad. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15426
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Posted - 2014.05.09 20:53:00 -
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Cygnet Lythanea wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Well 5 of CSM8 have been re-elected; CSM9 can't be that bad.
I'm waiting on results to determine if they're good or bad. My main concern is hte increasing numbers of negative indicators of eve's health as an MMO though. It's not to 'Eve Is Dying' yet, but we're starting to see actual non-positive signs.
I have some thoughts on this but I'm not going to waste them on page 22 of a thread that's devolved into a **** measuring contest on supercap administration process. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15431
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Posted - 2014.05.10 05:12:00 -
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Ace? Is that you? "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15433
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Posted - 2014.05.10 11:30:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Malcanis wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Malcanis wrote:
I know what the voter figures are this year, and it's a large enough number to make meaningful choices between a decent sized candidate pool. If only a fraction of EVE players want to make the effort and take responsibility for informing themselves sufficiently to make a meaningful vote, then tbh, I'm kind of OK with that as long as the voter pool is big enough. And I think that it is.
But let's be honest with ourselves here: most people don't vote because they simply don't care enough and so can't be bothered. Most of the shallow cynicism and hostility towards the CSM is basically a tissue-thin wrapper around this obvious turd.
I have voted each year expect this year because from what I saw the pool to choose from was well.. awful. I believed that it did not matter who was voted in as they are all cut from the same cloth and many of the candidates are people who failed to get into previous CSM's. On top of this none of them particularly did a good job of selling themselves. . That is not CCP fault and it is not the concept of the CSM at fault. If not enough worth while candidates are running for CSM then you have to ask the question why? Is it because they believe no matter how good their campaign might be, they would never be able to over come the block vote? Is it because they do not believe that the CSM have any real power to guide CCP and if so why do they believe that? As for not caring, why do players not care? What is it that makes the majority of players not give a rats ass about the CSM. I have never seen anybody from CCP really try and get a handle on this. Why have CCP never sent out a questionnaire to all subscribers asking them their thoughts on the CSM I do not know. There are things CCP could do to try and find out why the players are not interested if they really do care about the credibility of the CSM and being months late with the meeting minutes does not help. I actually believe that CSM8 was the best CSM we have ever had and had the best chance ever to really show the player base how effective a CSM can be, however CCP once again let them down and that appears to be a recurring theme with the entire CSM concept. Well 5 of CSM8 have been re-elected; CSM9 can't be that bad. Just not as good as CSM 8 :) That kind of also goes back to my point on why maybe people are just not interested in the CSM, its the same people over and over again. If the majority of the player base view the CSM as a waste of time and they are showing this by not voting, then having the same people each year either on or involved in the CSM is not going to help.
Well what do you even want? First you complain that CSM8 was the bestest awesomeest and that CSM9 can't possibly be as good, and then when it's shown that 5/19 of CSM8 are still serving, you complain about it being the same old faces.
And it's the same with just about all the other bitching about the CSM. People want CCP to give them more information, but they complain about how much information they have to read already. People say they want the CSM to have more publicity but they don't want to read devblogs or forums or receive evemails about it. People want the CSM to have more hi-sec/lo-sec/pony-sec members but they won't actually god damb vote for hi/lo/pony candidates.
Mostly people who complain about the CSM seem to just want "free candy": 14 people who 100% agree with them to put in an infinite amount of free work on their behalf without ever asking them to make any effort to inform themselves or make choices.
God forbid that they listen to anyone who tries to be honest with them about the reality of the situation or lift a goddamb finger to get what they say they want. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15434
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Posted - 2014.05.10 11:36:00 -
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Oh thank god, it's gone
free at last "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15434
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Posted - 2014.05.10 15:30:00 -
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dambit "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15435
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Posted - 2014.05.10 17:33:00 -
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Well he's right I still am for some reason.
No doubt LeeLoo will fix this terrible oversight before I do something awful to disgrace the institution.
Clock's ticking, LeeLoo.... "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15441
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Posted - 2014.05.10 22:15:00 -
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Sephira Galamore wrote:Silly guess, but you didn't let them hire you, did you?
Christ no. I've just been a little burned out is all.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!" |
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