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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2014.04.02 08:56:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:I am perfectly fine with CCP's EULA and how they enforce it. You should be too, since you agreed to it.
So it is your contention then that the EULA for Eve Online extends outside of Eve online and into our personal lives and what transpires on privately-owned TS servers and non-registered blogs? Because that's pretty damn far-reaching IMO.
Outside of EVE where the REAL LIFE DEATH THREATS and RACIST REMARKS were made and are thus UNENFORCEABLE under your DEFINITION and sense of what's FAIR? (it actually feels kind of nice to randomly capitalize words).
What about in-game where the SADIST was HUNTING for his victims?
Let's face it. CCP will never tell us exactly why the ban took place, but you can take an educated guess that it wasn't about what happened outside the game.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum
221
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Posted - 2014.04.02 08:59:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:I am perfectly fine with CCP's EULA and how they enforce it. You should be too, since you agreed to it. So it is your contention then that the EULA for Eve Online extends outside of Eve online and into our personal lives and what transpires on privately-owned TS servers and non-registered blogs? Because that's pretty damn far-reaching IMO. I am perfectly fine with CCP's EULA and how they enforce it. You should be too, since you agreed to it.They have the discretion, at any time, to cancel service or refuse service to anyone. For any reason. Or no reason at all. That's the EULA YOU agreed to.
You're skirting the issue. Sure, I agree that it's their game and they can do whatever they damn well please. Now I ask again, are YOU ok with them using things that go on OUTSIDE of their game, on YOUR privately owned property, as a reason to exercise their right to refuse service? Would you be ok with them refusing someone service because they were homosexual? Afircan-American? A Republican? It's their game and they can refuse service to anyone they want, right? Sure, but do their stated reasons for refusal of service matter at all to you?
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum
221
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Posted - 2014.04.02 09:04:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote: Outside of EVE where the REAL LIFE DEATH THREATS and RACIST REMARKS were made and are thus UNENFORCEABLE under your DEFINITION and sense of what's FAIR? (it actually feels kind of nice to randomly capitalize words).
You're right, I'm glad you brought this up. I have been calling for equal justice for all parties involved. So am I contradicting myseld, as you imply? No.
I don't believe that what goes on outside of Eve on privately-owned servers is CCP's business. BUT, since apparently they DO, then shouldn't they apply the same standards to everyone? Once we start giving CCP a free pass on exercising favoritism instead of treating everyone equally we wind up with things like the T20 fiasco, is that what you want? I mean, it's their game they can do what they want, amirite?
Quote: What about in-game where the SADIST was HUNTING for his victims?
E1 did nothing in-game that violated the rules.
Quote:Let's face it. CCP will never tell us exactly why the ban took place, but you can take an educated guess that it wasn't about what happened outside the game. Mr Epeen
Must be one of them there publik skool educations formulating the "educated guess" because I sure don't see where any rules were broken in-game.
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
2934
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Posted - 2014.04.02 09:05:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:I am perfectly fine with CCP's EULA and how they enforce it. You should be too, since you agreed to it. So it is your contention then that the EULA for Eve Online extends outside of Eve online and into our personal lives and what transpires on privately-owned TS servers and non-registered blogs? Because that's pretty damn far-reaching IMO. I am perfectly fine with CCP's EULA and how they enforce it. You should be too, since you agreed to it.They have the discretion, at any time, to cancel service or refuse service to anyone. For any reason. Or no reason at all. That's the EULA YOU agreed to.
CCP are within their legal rights to ban any player for any reason.
That doesn't mean every ban is inherently fair, balanced, good for the game/community, intelligent and reasonable though. It just means they're free to make unfair, imbalanced, bad, stupid and unreasonable bans.
If some people think it's ridiculous or bad for the game if CCP ban someone from their services for something that happened outside of the game - for example on teamspeak, or on a third party forum, or in my living room (dont gank your spouse, people) - then thats a valid discussion that can be had.
Neither side gains anything by pointing out that legally CCP are allowed to do it - I don't think that is being contested by anyone |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.04.02 09:06:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote: SADIST was HUNTING for his victims?
Hey, come on! Peen! Don't! Peen. Come on Peen. Why are you doing this Peen? This isn't you. I want the old Peen back. I don't want bad new Peen. I want good old Peen. Give me the Peen I'm used to. Give me the Peen I love.
If actual sadism was involved, I dont know what any of you would call the things that I like to think about. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum
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Posted - 2014.04.02 09:07:00 -
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TheGunslinger42 wrote:CCP are within their legal rights to ban any player for any reason.
That doesn't mean every ban is inherently fair, balanced, good for the game/community, intelligent and reasonable though. It just means they're free to make unfair, imbalanced, bad, stupid and unreasonable bans.
If some people think it's ridiculous or bad for the game if CCP ban someone from their services for something that happened outside of the game - for example on teamspeak, or on a third party forum, or in my living room (dont gank your spouse, people) - then thats a valid discussion that can be had.
Neither side gains anything by pointing out that legally CCP are allowed to do it - I don't think that is being contested by anyone
Exactly.
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Winchester Steele
832
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Posted - 2014.04.02 09:19:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Let's face it. CCP will never tell us exactly why the ban took place, but you can take an educated guess that it wasn't about what happened outside the game. Mr Epeen
If Funkybacon is correct and Ero actively posted these Soundclouds on Eve-o, well that would be a pretty understandable motive for the ban right there would it not?
Certainly was a part of the story I was unaware of until I read that blog.
Either way. I think the fact that the ban came within 48 hours of Ripard's blog and the ensuing threadnaught is just a little too convenient to be coincidental.
Besides, it would seem that CCP knew about this stuff since November. If they cared so much about the "well being" of their community, why wait so long to stop such a "beyond the pale" offender? Doesn't wash. Had Ripard kept his mouth shut, or filed a petition like he SHOULD have done, I suspect this banning would have never taken place.
Regardless, it is obviously all water under the bridge at this time although it is still food for thought. ... |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
2956
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Posted - 2014.04.02 09:22:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:"beyond the pale"
This phrase is offensive to Irish people btw *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Facebook would never tolerate that behaviour we are talking about" - Big Lynx |
Winchester Steele
836
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Posted - 2014.04.02 09:26:00 -
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Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:This post tells me that you don't even know what the issue is. That's because there is no "issue". Whatever your gripe, no one really cares except the other 4 or 5 people posting along with you. Winchester Steele wrote:I'd also like to take this opportunity to remind you that you are still posting here too. Kind of silly to point one finger at me, while 3 are pointing right back at you. Like I said. If you have a problem with my posting, and it seems like you do, feel free to block me. I'm not changing a goddamn thing, most certainly not my opinion, for the likes of you. This is particularly rich, since you first told me to stop posting several pages back. Funny how you treat people one way, then complain when you are treated the same way back. Or maybe it isn't so funny.
And I apologized for the personal attack. It seems you however, are unable to let it go. Whatever. Keep trolling, I am not sinking to that level anymore.
Whether you see an issue or not is entirely irrelevant. There are lots of people who do. And considering every second thread for the last 4 years that I've been lurking on GD is about griefing, ganking or harassment I think my assessment that the issue is alive and well is borne out by the evidence in front of us.
Protip: It has very little to do with E1 except as a use-case example or a springboard for larger discussion. ... |
Winchester Steele
836
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Posted - 2014.04.02 09:30:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:"beyond the pale" This phrase is offensive to Irish people btw
Really? How so?
I merely used it as a soft quote from some other poster upstream. Definitely did not intend any offense to anyone. ... |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.04.02 09:42:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote: Really? How so?
I merely used it as a soft quote from some other poster upstream. Definitely did not intend any offense to anyone.
Oh I didnt think you meant it offensively, Im not suggesting you did at all. But its one of those phrases that has slipped through because its meaning is not obvious.
The Pale (An Ph+íil in Irish) or the English Pale (An Ph+íil Sasanach), was the part of Ireland that was directly under the control of the English government in the late Middle Ages.
Anything "beyond the Pale" was considered uncivilised, barbaric or idiotic by the English. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Salvos Rhoska
969
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Posted - 2014.04.02 09:51:00 -
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Winchester Steele wrote:There are lots of people who do
You mean lots of alts. ------------ |
Danalee
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
891
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Posted - 2014.04.02 09:52:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:There are lots of people who do You mean lots of alts.
Alts are people too!
D.
HTFU, in moderation ofcourse. If perchance the above statement has rustled a CSM's jimmies, I respectfully beg of him/her not to blog about it nor pressurize CCP to ban me. |
Winchester Steele
840
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Posted - 2014.04.02 09:57:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Winchester Steele wrote:There are lots of people who do You mean lots of alts.
If you say so dude. Thing is, I've interacted with a lot of these folks in game (or forums) in one way or another over the years and know them to not be alts. You are free to believe what you will though, I won't for a moment pretend I can change your outlook.
Or to clarify. Know them to not all be alts of the same person as you seem to be implying. ... |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2014.04.02 10:00:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Mr Epeen wrote: SADIST was HUNTING for his victims?
Hey, come on! Peen! Don't! Peen. Come on Peen. Why are you doing this Peen? This isn't you. I want the old Peen back. I don't want bad new Peen. I want good old Peen. Give me the Peen I'm used to. Give me the Peen I love. If actual sadism was involved, I dont know what any of you would call the things that I like to think about.
I am calling in my once-a-day drama queen privilege on that one.
As well, if you send me photo dramatizations of these alleged things you like to think about, I will be happy to try and ascertain if they are acceptable behavior. My discretion will be assured.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
2964
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Posted - 2014.04.02 10:02:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Mr Epeen wrote: SADIST was HUNTING for his victims?
Hey, come on! Peen! Don't! Peen. Come on Peen. Why are you doing this Peen? This isn't you. I want the old Peen back. I don't want bad new Peen. I want good old Peen. Give me the Peen I'm used to. Give me the Peen I love. If actual sadism was involved, I dont know what any of you would call the things that I like to think about. I am calling in my once-a-day drama queen privilege on that one. As well, if you send me photo dramatizations of these alleged things you like to think about, I will be happy to try and ascertain if they are acceptable behavior. My discretion will be assured. Mr Epeen
I believe thats called entrapment lol
Also many of them are extremely difficult to dramatise, though some movies have tried with varying degrees of success *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
81
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Posted - 2014.04.02 10:47:00 -
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Just a thought on all the discussion and differences of opinion here on this thread, and the original of course.
I think that there is a false dilemma here.
It's not a question of is or is not out of game activity a matter for CCP to be concerned with. Neither is it a case of this kind of thing being harassment or plain taking advantage of a gullible, greedy player who should have known better.
The real point is that of bringing the game into disrepute.
There appears to be no question that Erotica 1 has potentially damaged the reputation of EVE and CCP by his activities. The podcast is irrefutable proof of that, and as such, CCP is quite within their rights to take such action so as to limit the adverse consequences of Erotica 1's actions.
Is a ban, either temporary or permanent in this case justified? I don't know. That's up to CCP to decide.
Here in the UK we have plenty of reports of footballers being charged with "bringing the game into disrepute" when a player steps out of line and says or does something that adversely affects the game's reputation. I think that's what has happened here.
Slightly off topic.
What The Mitanni did was equivalent to an offense much in the news here lately. That of "misconduct in a public office".
In my opinion far more serious and deserving of stronger sanctions. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.04.02 10:52:00 -
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Jaxon Grylls wrote: The real point is that of bringing the game into disrepute.
The high-brow and considered opinion of those who play other games of this type is that EvE is full of Sheldon Coopers, Oppenhiemers and accountants.
The opinion of "modern gamers" (ugh) is "Whats EvE?" or "When's the new console game out, I dont have a PC"
The opinion of anyone slightly clued in but not a player of EvE is "Doesnt that happen all the time in that game?"
*** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum
227
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Posted - 2014.04.02 11:04:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Jaxon Grylls wrote: The real point is that of bringing the game into disrepute.
The high-brow and considered opinion of those who play other games of this type is that EvE is full of Sheldon Coopers, Oppenhiemers and accountants. The opinion of "modern gamers" (ugh) is "Whats EvE?" or "When's the new console game out, I dont have a PC" The opinion of anyone slightly clued in but not a player of EvE is "Doesnt that happen all the time in that game?"
Exactly. Eve is already known for being full of scammers and all manner of underhandedness. FFS it's one if it's selling points, it's what makes it different from every other hand-holding mmo out there.
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
81
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Posted - 2014.04.02 11:11:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote: The high-brow and considered opinion of those who play other games of this type is that EvE is full of Sheldon Coopers, Oppenhiemers and accountants.
The opinion of "modern gamers" (ugh) is "Whats EvE?" or "When's the new console game out, I dont have a PC"
The opinion of anyone slightly clued in but not a player of EvE is "Doesnt that happen all the time in that game?"
Quite possibly so.
In this case, however, the offense was so blatant that I think that CCP had no option than to bring down the hammer on Erotic1, if indeed that is what has happened. I don't know if it has and quite frankly don't want to know.
If /when this gets picked up by the general media, it is going to do CCP no favours and that surely must mean that they try and protect their main business asset by all available means. |
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Winchester Steele
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Posted - 2014.04.02 11:29:00 -
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Jaxon Grylls wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: The high-brow and considered opinion of those who play other games of this type is that EvE is full of Sheldon Coopers, Oppenhiemers and accountants.
The opinion of "modern gamers" (ugh) is "Whats EvE?" or "When's the new console game out, I dont have a PC"
The opinion of anyone slightly clued in but not a player of EvE is "Doesnt that happen all the time in that game?"
Quite possibly so. In this case, however, the offense was so blatant that I think that CCP had no option than to bring down the hammer on Erotic1, if indeed that is what has happened. I don't know if it has and quite frankly don't want to know. If /when this gets picked up by the general media, it is going to do CCP no favours and that surely must mean that they try and protect their main business asset by all available means.
Let's pretend anybody besides the 10 people in this thread care about this issue in the slightest. ... |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
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Posted - 2014.04.02 11:39:00 -
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Jaxon Grylls wrote: In this case, however, the offense was so blatant that I think that CCP had no option than to bring down the hammer on Erotic1
This is your opinion. Others have differing opinions of equal validity
Jaxon Grylls wrote:If /when this gets picked up by the general media, it is going to do CCP no favours and that surely must mean that they try and protect their main business asset by all available means.
Well no one is saying they shouldnt, and I completely accept this is their motivating factor rather than any claim of doing the right thing or any nonsense about morality. But I sincerly doubt that the general media (sic) will have any interest in this at all. Infact if we can define general media I would place isk on it not making news.
I dont believe in gambling unless the odds are so stacked in my favour its not mathematically a gamble, so. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum
229
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Posted - 2014.04.02 12:44:00 -
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Speaking of general media, I wonder what the larger gaming community as a whole will think of CCP apparently asserting (through it's actions) that their TOS and EULA extends outside of the game and into the personal lives and private property of it's players.
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
2975
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Posted - 2014.04.02 13:05:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Speaking of general media, I wonder what the larger gaming community as a whole will think of CCP apparently asserting (through it's actions) that their TOS and EULA extends outside of the game and into the personal lives and private property of it's players.
Like the WoW player base who by the rules of their EULA can be banned for giving their character a name, and for the very act of using VOIP in the first place?
Or Anyone on an EA server who can be banned under their EULA for bad mouthing EA on facebook?
Im guessing they would say "about time" *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
580
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Posted - 2014.04.02 13:57:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:I am perfectly fine with CCP's EULA and how they enforce it. You should be too, since you agreed to it.
So it is your contention then that the EULA for Eve Online extends outside of Eve online and into our personal lives and what transpires on privately-owned TS servers and non-registered blogs? Because that's pretty damn far-reaching IMO.
Yes! EULAs are solid! They are involate! They could make you kill someone and breach any international law because they are completely unchallengable! PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://i.imgur.com/N949bKU.jpg proving that Im a sociopathic ganker and all around scum of the game http://i.imgur.com/RX8oBRN.jpg |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
580
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Posted - 2014.04.02 14:00:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:
What about in-game where the SADIST was HUNTING for his victims?
What about YOU who SAID they were getting their email spammed BY said victims yet oddly, THEN you didnt seem to have an issue with it.
PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://i.imgur.com/N949bKU.jpg proving that Im a sociopathic ganker and all around scum of the game http://i.imgur.com/RX8oBRN.jpg |
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
580
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Posted - 2014.04.02 14:04:00 -
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Jaxon Grylls wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote: The high-brow and considered opinion of those who play other games of this type is that EvE is full of Sheldon Coopers, Oppenhiemers and accountants.
The opinion of "modern gamers" (ugh) is "Whats EvE?" or "When's the new console game out, I dont have a PC"
The opinion of anyone slightly clued in but not a player of EvE is "Doesnt that happen all the time in that game?"
Quite possibly so. In this case, however, the offense was so blatant that I think that CCP had no option than to bring down the hammer on Erotic1, if indeed that is what has happened. I don't know if it has and quite frankly don't want to know.
EXCEPT it had been happening (and theyd been aware of it) for five MONTHS and they didnt act (because the victim didnt even REPORT IT) until the self proclaimed ridder of evil made his blog.
PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://i.imgur.com/N949bKU.jpg proving that Im a sociopathic ganker and all around scum of the game http://i.imgur.com/RX8oBRN.jpg |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
2986
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Posted - 2014.04.02 14:04:00 -
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Antisocial Malkavian wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:I am perfectly fine with CCP's EULA and how they enforce it. You should be too, since you agreed to it.
So it is your contention then that the EULA for Eve Online extends outside of Eve online and into our personal lives and what transpires on privately-owned TS servers and non-registered blogs? Because that's pretty damn far-reaching IMO. Yes! EULAs are solid! They are involate! They could make you kill someone and breach any international law because they are completely unchallengable!
When I write my own game, all players will be required to send me their first born or face a 7 day ban
If they want to avoid a 30 day ban, they need to send me only the blood.
All of it. *** Vote MTU For CSM *** ***Free The Jita 1*** "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "Despite others being missing, at least Ramona is back." - Scipio Artelius |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum
234
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Posted - 2014.04.02 14:04:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Speaking of general media, I wonder what the larger gaming community as a whole will think of CCP apparently asserting (through it's actions) that their TOS and EULA extends outside of the game and into the personal lives and private property of it's players.
Like the WoW player base who by the rules of their EULA can be banned for giving their character a name, and for the very act of using VOIP in the first place? Or Anyone on an EA server who can be banned under their EULA for bad mouthing EA on facebook? Im guessing they would say "about time"
Would they? Or would they say it's about time that gaming companies be held accountable for overstepping the boundaries of reason and respect? We all agree to play their rules when we're playing there games, but maybe, just maybe (hold on folks, this is a wild concept) what we do when we're not playing their games is none of their damned business?
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
580
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Posted - 2014.04.02 14:05:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Speaking of general media, I wonder what the larger gaming community as a whole will think of CCP apparently asserting (through it's actions) that their TOS and EULA extends outside of the game and into the personal lives and private property of it's players.
And not giving a **** about the racism and irl threats the victim made? PSYCHOTIC MONK (or Erotica1's next alt) for CSM. All gameplay modes should be represented! http://i.imgur.com/N949bKU.jpg proving that Im a sociopathic ganker and all around scum of the game http://i.imgur.com/RX8oBRN.jpg |
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