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Prie Mary
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:02:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Literally the first thing said in the recording is that it is being recorded.
I must of missed that during buffering my bad
Dont just think outside the box, Live outside of it... |
LordOfDespair
Capsuleer Combat Training Services
27
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:03:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: When did the world decide to create pansies out of everyone?
With this new term 'cyber bullying' being thrown around, I really am shaking my head here. When I was young(tm), people dealt with 'bullies' as a normal part of coming of age, on their own. People dealt with all life challenges in fact, without having to codify it with a marketing term to convert individual fail into victimization...
You want to know why some young people are killing themselves due to 'bullying'?
It's because they were fricken bubble wrapped since birth and grew up without having to develop any adversity management skills, so when the first 'big' challenge did come their way their brains exploded. ****, Johnny didn't invite me to the dance, I will slit my wrists in the tub...
Now I am not talking about putting all kids in the Agoge of Sparta, but what I am asking is aren't these well-intentioned idiots who coin pansification terms like 'cyber bullying' just making more life-neutered pussies?
tldr; HTFU
Here is the message your post is giving:
"People dealt with bullies for a long time so its okay."
"People with emotional issues are just pussies and need to HTFU."
"If a person commits suicide because they were bubble wrapped as a kid."
Are you okay in the head? All I see is victim blaming trying to justify the actions of some sad and pathetic individuals.
So it is their fault that a person is the victim of abuse, but the person giving the abuse has no fault whatsoever?
This is the most irrational post I've ever seen. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
768
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:04:00 -
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Katkon Darnok wrote:288 = statistical significance (actually, >32 makes for a statistically significant sample size). Did you just talk about the statistical significance of a self-selecting group? Oh my. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3688
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:04:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: When did the world decide to create pansies out of everyone?
With this new term 'cyber bullying' being thrown around, I really am shaking my head here. When I was young(tm), people dealt with 'bullies' as a normal part of coming of age, on their own. People dealt with all life challenges in fact, without having to codify it with a marketing term to convert individual fail into victimization...
You want to know why some young people are killing themselves due to 'bullying'?
It's because they were fricken bubble wrapped since birth and grew up without having to develop any adversity management skills, so when the first 'big' challenge did come their way their brains exploded. ****, Johnny didn't invite me to the dance, I will slit my wrists in the tub...
Now I am not talking about putting all kids in the Agoge of Sparta, but what I am asking is aren't these well-intentioned idiots who coin pansification terms like 'cyber bullying' just making more life-neutered pussies?
tldr; HTFU
One difference between your young(tm) type bullying and current online(tm) type bullying, is that it's way way way harder to actually do something about it. Classic face to face bullying, you could try fight back by punching some sense into someone. It's much harder to smack someone in the face when they're anonymous behind a screen in a different country and can keep on doing stuff. So I wouldn't call it fair to compare the two types as if they were equal. But I fully understand your point. /c
I feel a distinction needs to be made, however, between this electronic "bullying" and actual physical violence and intimidation.
That being, that the internet is an entirely voluntary participatory media.
Going to school basically isn't. You can't use a mouseclick to get rid of having to go to school, or of having to live on your street. You do, however, have all the power when you are at your own computer to make it literally disappear with a hand motion. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110596
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:05:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: When did the world decide to create pansies out of everyone?
With this new term 'cyber bullying' being thrown around, I really am shaking my head here. When I was young(tm), people dealt with 'bullies' as a normal part of coming of age, on their own. People dealt with all life challenges in fact, without having to codify it with a marketing term to convert individual fail into victimization...
You want to know why some young people are killing themselves due to 'bullying'?
It's because they were fricken bubble wrapped since birth and grew up without having to develop any adversity management skills, so when the first 'big' challenge did come their way their brains exploded. ****, Johnny didn't invite me to the dance, I will slit my wrists in the tub...
Now I am not talking about putting all kids in the Agoge of Sparta, but what I am asking is aren't these well-intentioned idiots who coin pansification terms like 'cyber bullying' just making more life-neutered pussies?
tldr; HTFU
Bullying was manageable indeed, until Social Media came along and offered all new opportunities for incidents and "pranks" to be displayed worldwide, by anyone, anywhere.
It's become a huge problem. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
Katkon Darnok
The Scope Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:06:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: When did the world decide to create pansies out of everyone?
With this new term 'cyber bullying' being thrown around, I really am shaking my head here. When I was young(tm), people dealt with 'bullies' as a normal part of coming of age, on their own. People dealt with all life challenges in fact, without having to codify it with a marketing term to convert individual fail into victimization...
You want to know why some young people are killing themselves due to 'bullying'?
It's because they were fricken bubble wrapped since birth and grew up without having to develop any adversity management skills, so when the first 'big' challenge did come their way their brains exploded. ****, Johnny didn't invite me to the dance, I will slit my wrists in the tub...
Now I am not talking about putting all kids in the Agoge of Sparta, but what I am asking is aren't these well-intentioned idiots who coin pansification terms like 'cyber bullying' just making more life-neutered pussies?
tldr; HTFU
As a parent I'm shaking my head at your comments in return. So you're simply proposing that all well-adjusted citizens who are part of a real or virtual community simply stand idly by while others are scammed, punched, made fun of and otherwise hurt emotionally or physically? Wow, just wow. |
Desivo Delta Visseroff
Cataclysmic Paradox
162
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:06:00 -
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Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:LordOfDespair wrote:Delt0r Garsk wrote:LordOfDespair wrote:
If the majority of the players and nonplayers think this behavior is unacceptable, your argument is next to worthless.
The majority of eve players have hardly even heard of the forums let along this latest Erotica thing. They just don't care because its just not all that important. This 137 page thread and multiple news articles disagree. 288. Thats the number of people participating in this thread last I looked at the stats. That's not even a majority of the Eve players logged into Eve right now.
So....Are you Suggesting that when we all log into the game we should go system to system and post this thread into local for ALL to see
***Presses CTRL -C, sets Autopilot, prepares to press CTRL-V while waiting for the universe to rage and burn |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
678
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:06:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Prie Mary wrote: As far as im aware bonus room makes no attempt to let the victim know they are being recorded at the start. Literally the first thing said in the recording is that it is being recorded.
1) There is no evidence that the victim is even in the channel at the time it is said. 2) There is no evidence that the victim even hears that being said. 3) There is no expression of consent on the part of the victim to being recorded. 4) There is no implied consent on the part of the victim for being recorded, because it is not specifically stated by the recorder. 5) There is no expression of consent to distribution of the recording.
All of these are things the bunglers who designed this (in their minds extremely clever HURR DURRR) system of supposed safeguards against their activities being investigated by CCP or other authorities.
They are, ofc, completely inadequate, laughable and have no legal weight whatsoever.
Prie Mary wrote:I must of missed that during buffering my bad As no doubt have the overwhelming majority of Bonus Round participants also missed it, or otherwise been unaware of it. |
Lucretia DeWinter
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
116
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:07:00 -
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Clara Pond wrote:Lucretia DeWinter wrote:If The House had already taken all his money and fed it into the slot machine, and told him the only way he was getting it back would be to win the costume contest dressed as a chicken singing Waltzing Matilda whilst streaming live to the internet, then it would be more accurate. I loled IRL. Quite so, and were our contestant to willingly suit up and start flapping, we would not say he was being subjected to torture. We would say that he was a consenting adult making a choice, and possibly even having fun doing it.
What about when they say, actually, this contest is now a dance marathon and you have to stay here for the next 12 hours. You can leave at any time.
There is a difference to what people volunteer to do and what they're forced into doing, by ransom or coercion.
The internet is full of people volunteering to do stupid debasing things, many of which are pretty funny. Not so many occasions where somebody is goaded or manipulated into doing those things. Then its less funny.
Druthlen wrote:You seem to forget there is a hostage in all of this. The persons online assets. Which are forfeited if he doesn't play along. He believes at least for a time he can recover his stuff if he goes along with the humiliating hazing like activities.
It's interesting people have used the term 'hazing.' Hazing is officially sanctioned in every organisation I can think of as it was getting out of hand. definition: involves inflicting pain or encouraging others to engage in illegal, harmful, demeaning or dangerous acts. In employment, education, the military etc Hazing is explicitly singled out as inexcusable for illegal, discriminatory or demeaning behaviour.
I think that EVE meta-scamming is in danger of going too far in a similar parallel and although I am well aware we are talking about not-real goods in a not-real world, taking that on to Teamspeak, websites and the wider internet for the express purpose of providing 'entertainment' at the suffering of another person is shameful.
I'm not saying that what happened here is of the same seriousness of some of the real life incidents like Danny Chen, but that CCP should clarify that scamming and despicable behaviour is only acceptable within the confines of the game. |
Capt Starfox
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
623
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:07:00 -
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Upde wrote:Capt Starfox wrote:[quote=Krants]
Because you can't handle Eve Online and need CCP to hold your hand??
You fail so miserably to see that all participants chose to stay and in no way were forced against their will to continue. That is irrelevant now. This whole situation will get eaten up by media channels and they will farm CCP tears and feast upon them. Eve hasn't exactly got the greatest rep in the gaming media circles and shitstorms like this are what shitposting journo's love. They will selectively publish the bits that support their "EVE is full of sociopaths" and push it out into the public domain. Then we all get reamed if CCP are then forced into a position where they have to make a public statement and effect change to game mechanics. As a community we should probably do a better job of self policing so this kind of media tear harvesting doesn't happen and ensure we clean our own house up rather than it being a forced issue. Surely that would be better for us as gamers and the health of EVE ?
I suppose you are right, yes, but it's too late now and we have to debate and fight over it like crazy people Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
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LordOfDespair
Capsuleer Combat Training Services
31
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:08:00 -
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Clara Pond wrote:LordOfDespair wrote:You have no idea who that person is, or what their life is right now. He could be impaired someway mentally or not in the right state of mind. Does that make it right to abuse them for personal pleasure? Quite right, you have no idea of these things in an MMO. They are a capsuleer name, an alliance ticker, a shiptype. They are a mark, a target. The person you undercut with your market trade may have been on their last ISK and suffering manic depression. Who knows what your callous undercut could trigger? You argue that people are responsible for the jilted lover screaming "if you don't take me back I'll kill myself". People are not responsible for the reactions of others. If you want to argue for compassion, I'm right behind you. But that is a different thing. Some people just don't have the intellectual or emotional maturity to interact with other humans in a competitive environment and the rest of us are not responsible for their reactions. Look at the login screen: Online Interactions Not Rated By The ESRB.
Have you even listened to the 2 hour long recording?
How are you going to compare that to .01 isk wars on the market and ingame PVP?
That is ridiculous. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3692
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:08:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Bullying was manageable indeed, until Social Media came along and offered all new opportunities for incidents and "pranks" to be displayed worldwide, by anyone, anywhere.
It's become a huge problem.
I just rolled my eyes so hard I gave myself a headache. That might actually be the perfect example of a first world problem. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
678
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:10:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I just rolled my eyes so hard I gave myself a headache.. Oh. A young one. |
Dr Grant
Building Inspectors
13
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:11:00 -
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I don't get it why people who are clearly not laywers pretend to be laywers, as if that was something good. Here in germany we have a saying:
He is a laywer and in all other aspects also of fairly limited intelligence.
;-)
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LordOfDespair
Capsuleer Combat Training Services
31
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:12:00 -
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Asia Leigh wrote:LordOfDespair wrote:Everybody needs to stop assuming that the victims are perfectly healthy minded individuals.
"You deserve it if you fall for THAT scam."
"He could of left whenever he wanted!"
You have no idea who that person is, or what their life is right now.
He could be impaired someway mentally or not in the right state of mind. Does that make it right to abuse them for personal pleasure? absolutely not But lets be serious here. EVE isn't exactly WoW when it comes to the learning curve of the game. I really think that someone who was impaired enough to not have any idea what is going on around him would have an extremely hard time picking this game up, and would likely leave it out of frustration. Also he claims to be an air traffic controller... Not a job you get if your mentally deficient. Lets face it, he got greedy, gambled and lost. That simple. Does that make it right for erotica to treat a person in this matter regardless of circumstance? Absolutely not!!! Just dont expect anything to happen as this happened a while ago and was known to both CCP and the community long before this blog post or this thread.
You are still thinking that we are arguing that the scam is the problem here.
Nobody cares that he got scammed, it happens everyday and is apart of the game.
And saying that "EvE isn't WoW" is only an argument towards the scam, not the 2 hours of abuse.
And if you ask me, the victim didn't sound like a normal person. To me it was obvious they were just abusing either an impaired individual or something who was going through a really bad time in their life. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
3692
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:12:00 -
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There are real people going to sleep at night with empty bellies and no roof over their heads, but God forbid you white knight freaks of nature doing anything about that, because:
"OH NOES!! Betsy said my braces were ugly, and Veronica heard her and Veronica's on the cheerleading squad! I'll never show my face outside the house again!"
Is apparently so much more important.
Go help the genuinely less fortunate, if you heart bleeds so much. Get with the freaking program. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Psychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Galdrak
Interplanetary Trade Federation
20
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:12:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:This thread is definitely proof highsec needs to be nerfed.
i keep seeing you post that. i dont get what you mean, to me it seems totally off topic and a pointless post.
maybe you could open a new thread on why you think this thread is a reason to nerf hisec.
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Mellisa Jade
Sarum Family Auxiliary Support
9
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:13:00 -
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This whole thing is Staged if you cant see that your as blind and stupid as the guy pretending to get scammed. 'Time is to eternity, as the mind is to what surrounds us.' |
Clara Pond
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:13:00 -
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Lucretia DeWinter wrote: What about when they say, actually, this contest is now a dance marathon and you have to stay here for the next 12 hours. You can leave at any time. There is a difference to what people volunteer to do and what they're forced into doing, by ransom or coercion.
I would say that the person can still leave at any time, and thus by definition is not being subjected to torture. Were the casino to be sued, it would be sued for duplicitous business practices not for torture. CCP has made their position very clear on duplicitous business practices in Eve.
And you are on very shaky ground talking about "forcing" and "ransom" in relation to Teamspeak and space money.
Lucretia DeWinter wrote:The internet is full of people volunteering to do stupid debasing things, many of which are pretty funny. Not so many occasions where somebody is goaded or manipulated into doing those things. Then its less funny.
Less funny != torture. |
Qalix
Long Jump.
214
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:14:00 -
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wow. i've seen some threadnaughts, but i think this may be the fastest growing one of ALL TIME |
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Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
489
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:14:00 -
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I read the comments about this whole issue at the one site where I've seen news about it posted. (The link is buried in these pages somewhere, not going to try to find it.) Pretty clear that people outside the game think both the scammer and the victim are lunatics. At this point the Eve apologists have started to show up, but the early posts are not very complimentary about Eve or the player base.
Doesn't matter who we think is at fault here in the forums. CCP is the one taking the beating on that thread. Doesn't matter whether we think that's fair or not. CCP has stated lots of times that the design of the game hinges on the ability of one player to ruin the day of another at will. To a person who doesn't know a lot about gaming, and even to a lot who do, that sounds like a recipe for bullying.
Some Eve players are bound to push the freedom they're given to extremes and they will eventually spoil the sandbox for everybody. It's not enough for scammers that their activity is allowed even though it completely breaks the notion that reward and risk should be related in the game. That this questionable being enjoys his Bonus Room fetish is bad enough. But really, this many people will step forward to say this is great, keep going, we love your new game content?
Erotica 1 is clearly enjoying all the attention. That's pretty creepy too.
I don't expect CCP to do anything except respond to the PR pressure as they have to. If there was ever a company with a weak moral compass, it's this one. |
Dorn Val
Probe Patrol Awakened.
155
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:15:00 -
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I'm really torn on this one....
What Erotoica 1 does in game is not my play style, but at the same time I'm glad that Eve is a sandbox where just about anything goes. I live in a wormhole and enjoy PVP, and I don't discriminate in my target selection -it doesn't matter if you're ready for it or not, if you're a carebear or a dedicated PVPer, the ZOMG-SuprizeButtSecsPVP is coming. I don't care if that was you're ratting Tengu, if I have it locked and pointed it's going to die. You loved that Tengu, spent a lot of your valuable time to acquire it so it has some intrinsic value even if it is just pixels, and I took it away from you and didn't care how you felt about it. So at the end of the day just how far removed am I, or anyone else who plays Eve, from Erotica 1?... Sandbox: An enclosed area filled with sand for children engaged in open-ended, unstructured, imaginative play. Also a place for cats to urinate and defecate... |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
678
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:15:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:False and unrelated implication stacked upon implication upon implication x10000
Can I ask you an honest question please?
Are you genuinely incapable of reading what is ACTUALLY said, rather than IMPLYING 1000 other things that NOBODY said? |
Clara Pond
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:15:00 -
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LordOfDespair wrote:Have you even listened to the 2 hour long recording? How are you going to compare that to .01 isk wars on the market and ingame PVP?
Yes, I'm apparently one of the few who has. Importantly, I listened to it before Jester had a chance to coach me on how I should feel about it. And you are cherry picking mock-outraged soundbites in order to excuse yourself from understanding analogy. |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
678
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:17:00 -
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Galdrak wrote:i keep seeing you post that. i dont get what you mean, to me it seems totally off topic and a pointless post. His language capabilities are mostly restricted to the F1 key. Atleast he is consistent. |
Bloodmyst Ranwar
War Toys Inc
46
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:18:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: When did the world decide to create pansies out of everyone?
With this new term 'cyber bullying' being thrown around, I really am shaking my head here. When I was young(tm), people dealt with 'bullies' as a normal part of coming of age, on their own. People dealt with all life challenges in fact, without having to codify it with a marketing term to convert individual fail into victimization...
You want to know why some young people are killing themselves due to 'bullying'?
It's because they were fricken bubble wrapped since birth and grew up without having to develop any adversity management skills, so when the first 'big' challenge did come their way their brains exploded. ****, Johnny didn't invite me to the dance, I will slit my wrists in the tub...
Now I am not talking about putting all kids in the Agoge of Sparta, but what I am asking is aren't these well-intentioned idiots who coin pansification terms like 'cyber bullying' just making more life-neutered pussies?
tldr; HTFU
You Sir, couldn't be any more wrong. Honestly, we are also living in the "today," not "yesterday." Get with the times, bullying is no longer tolerated.
There is no such thing as telling a victim of bullying to HTFU. Why? They shouldn't have to deal with it in the first place. Hence, why those who choose to bully, suffer the consequences of their own actions.
It's not, "Oh getting bullied are you? Well then HTFU!!!"
Wake up to yourself!
Cheerio :) |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
770
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:18:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:1) There is no evidence that the victim is even in the channel at the time it is said. 2) There is no evidence that the victim even hears that being said. 3) There is no expression of consent on the part of the victim to being recorded. 4) There is no implied consent on the part of the victim for being recorded, because it is not specifically stated by the recorder. 5) There is no expression of consent to distribution of the recording. The client also explicitly states near the end that he is aware that it is being recorded and that it will be distributed and doesn't care.
Having some basic knowledge of the topic at hand really can help you know. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
110597
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:18:00 -
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Qalix wrote:wow. i've seen some threadnaughts, but i think this may be the fastest growing one of ALL TIME
Obviously you were not around for the Incarna Rage Threads. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
LordOfDespair
Capsuleer Combat Training Services
31
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:19:00 -
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Clara Pond wrote:LordOfDespair wrote:Have you even listened to the 2 hour long recording? How are you going to compare that to .01 isk wars on the market and ingame PVP? Yes, I'm apparently one of the few who has. And you are cherry picking mock-outraged soundbites in order to excuse yourself from understanding analogy.
You made a really bad analogy, your post was bad too.
Do a better job on expressing your ideas.
Or leme guess, it is the readers fault that your posts are bad and make no sense. Same way its the victims fault that he got abused?
Right? |
Salvos Rhoska
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
678
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Posted - 2014.03.26 14:20:00 -
[2790] - Quote
Dorn Val wrote:What Erotoica 1 does in game is not my play style, but at the same time I'm glad that Eve is a sandbox where just about anything goes. It may swing your opinion to know that there are quite many people who listen in either during the Bonus Round events, or listen to the recordings afterwards while the "clients" are being subjected to this.
Begs the question: Why. |
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