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Miriiah
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.13 07:31:00 -
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Field Command Ships are pretty underwhelming bar the Sleipnir which happens to have the correct amount of slots/decent bonuses/fitting
They should have the same amount of slots as tier 2 BC's (Myrm is an exception as it's a drone boat, yeah, it needs 100m3 bandwidth)
Absolution, give this ship another midslot. rest is fine
Astarte, give this ship another lowslot. (Active repping bonus needs replacement or changing to affect RR like every other local rep bonus) but this would be a good and EASY solution to making it more useful.
Nighthawk, give this ship another midslot. add x amounts of PG. 100-200'ish?
Sleipnir, this ship is fine.
This wouldn't nessecerily make every field CS actually worth it, but it's a quick and easy solution which wouldn't really take too much time to sort. I've gotta say I'm really disappointed in CCP and how they've behaved with sorting problems with broken ships etc, I'd really like to see these ships actually being flown more than 1 per 100 gangs(-sleipnir)
I'd like to see this being done something with @ Winter expansion.
Edit : Derping on the Sleipnir.
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Miriiah
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.13 13:23:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:Don't forget about resists, which - for some weird reason (if any) - are lower than those of hacs, tech3 cruisers etc. It's just stupid.
Resists being slightly lower is ok imo, but they should really get another slot (-sleip) and NH should either get a mid + grid or a high + launcher slot. |
Miriiah
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.13 17:48:00 -
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Alexa Coates wrote:The hell with the asstart, give the Eos a 125mb drone bandwidth again! It doesn't make sense to have a t2 drone boat that can use heavies.
Well, the Eos is a Fleett Command gang boosting ship so can't really complain too much about it, it used to be rather overpowered back in the days for a fleet command ship |
Miriiah
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.13 18:52:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:Miriiah wrote:Fon Revedhort wrote:Don't forget about resists, which - for some weird reason (if any) - are lower than those of hacs, tech3 cruisers etc. It's just stupid. Resists being slightly lower is ok imo, but they should really get another slot (-sleip) and NH should either get a mid + grid or a high + launcher slot + grid. If OK means "one can live with that" then yes, it's ok. As for extra guns/launchers, I don't think it's a good idea. What field command ships really lack is the ability to use gank-links without gimping their damage/tank, which is plain wrong - why bother lowering these precious values at a command ship when you can tune down a mere Drake with the same gang-boosting effect? Thus each command ship should have a better role bonus (lowering PG requirements, too) and 1 additional utility high-slot. That's the way number 1. Surely it's also acceptable to just give them more slots (in med/low racks) - and that's the way number 2. Either will be welcome. CCP just has to decide what they think field CS are intended for and act accordingly.
"Extra guns/launchers". the only ship I mentioned this on is the NH which does pretty abmysmal damage as it is, giving in a 7th launcher slot and an 8th hi-slot wouldn't really be overpowered, the other ships have sufficient guns/launchers
Only ships that can't really fit a ganglink is the NH (**** grid) and Astarte(like every other blaster boat it lacks pg, but this is somewhat being fixed next patch)
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Miriiah
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.14 04:57:00 -
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Fon Revedhort wrote:There's nothing wrong with damage output of NH. It already outdamages Abso at basically any distance (bare 0-7.5 km I guess). Heavy missiles are already very potent and there's just no need to boost ships in this regard even further.
We'd better fix tier2 BC instead, which deal way too much damage for their class.
None command ship can fit gang-link with ease - it always comes with a cost of downgrading guns or something alike. It is as stupid as asking covert recons to drop something to utilize their cloak. 50 CPU and 200 PG - that's just too harsh.
Getting a 100% fit with the ganglink is sorta hard on them yeah, esp NH
Heavy missiles are very potent, but Tengu would still out dps the NH without counting the drones, yes it's got an exp whatever bonus, but only 1 range bonus
I'd be more for the 6th mid really, but I don't think it'd be OP'd if it got another missile launcher(unless you pimped the ship, and most pimped ships are OP)
tier 2 bc's are rather powerful, but nerfing them isn't the right way to go I think
Battleships are still quite abit more powerful and are fully capable of hitting bc's
Fix tier 1 bc's instead of nerfing tier 2 ones, boost cruisers and remove the tier system for them(and frigs)
But yeah, this was a thread about field command ships so I'll save those rants for later.
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Miriiah
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.14 21:18:00 -
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Miriiah
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Posted - 2011.11.15 17:11:00 -
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Miriiah
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Posted - 2011.11.16 15:28:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:Its dead, Jim.
/Cast resurrection |
Miriiah
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.17 06:06:00 -
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Over the hills and far away |
Miriiah
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Posted - 2011.11.21 00:51:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:+1ing an additional role bonus for reduced fitting on ganglinks and for additional slots on every field CS but the Sleipnir.
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Miriiah
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.22 06:13:00 -
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CCP, Don't let us down. make these ships worth flying again, fixing them isn't exactly a huge task. |
Miriiah
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Posted - 2011.11.24 09:59:00 -
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Miriiah wrote:Mfume Apocal wrote:+1ing an additional role bonus for reduced fitting on ganglinks and for additional slots on every field CS but the Sleipnir. Bump
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Miriiah
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.24 18:40:00 -
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Elindreal wrote:I somewhat understand your frustration with field command ships, but what about fleet command ships?
I mean fleet command ships are only useful as offgrid with a full high rack of ganglinks, they 99% of the time never utilize their weapon systems.
Not to mention they're outclassed by T3s (with the exception that they can fit 1 more link than a t3 - Claymore can fit 8 on a l33t fit)
/shrug
Gallente links are generally meh, and Eos + active tank bonus(any gallente ship and active tank bonus actually, is batshit. it's fine on Marauders), so Eos kinda sucks in general. It's easier to get a decent amount of links on the useful Fleet Command ships and still have some sort of tank
Gangboosting should only work on grid, which would make the Fleet Command ships actually have an advantage over t3's even though they have slightly worse bonuses
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Miriiah
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.25 08:09:00 -
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Miriiah
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Posted - 2011.11.26 10:21:00 -
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Elindreal wrote:I somewhat understand your frustration with field command ships, but what about fleet command ships?
I mean fleet command ships are only useful as offgrid with a full high rack of ganglinks, they 99% of the time never utilize their weapon systems.
Not to mention they're outclassed by T3s (with the exception that they can fit 1 more link than a t3 - Claymore can fit 8 on a l33t fit)
/shrug
All Fleet Command ships need 1 more HS each so they can atleast fit their 3 links and a full rack of their weapons.
by All I mean all - claymore, because WINmatar ships already 1 more slot than others, and claymore got 5 gunslots + 8 highs.
Fix mah field commands! |
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