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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.03.26 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ante
Originally by: LUKEC Consider this. Then add precision cruises in equation. This was 15km away from raven, 2x racials t2 failed:P Yes alt died in anathema:P 2 volleys. I cannot hit that far with blasters usually, not to mention that i don't hit frigs there at all.
3 volleys to kill a covert ops isn't too bad. Ion Blaster Cannon II with Null L ammo has 9.375km optimal + 12.5km falloff so hitting out at 15km is not a problem and would (assuming it could track the frig) blow it up a lot quicker than those missiles did.
These were T1 missiles if you didn't get it.
Now math with blasters: 15000 x 0.08 x 40 / 400 = 120
If frig maintains 120m/s transversal and has 40m sig, then guns won't hit. And any frig can have 200m/s transversal.
Not to mention, that those were T1 missiles, so ion cannons would miss like 50% by default at 15km (acually more like 60% would be miss)
Originally by: Commander Nikolas People like Lukec are the problem and they know it. Shin Ra's Raven has 4x WCS, Lukec's Dominix has 5x WCS & Ishtar has 2x WCS.
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Zhon
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Posted - 2006.03.26 03:33:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell Zhon,
a frigate with deacent transversal will never be hit by those big guns, and without tanking tanking (rare for T1 frigs and many inties) they will be forced off sooner or later by a missile ship.
Well as i said before that is how it should be. Precsion missiels were designed to hit small targets (Cruisers/Frigates). As it is right now frigates are ****ed because they cant just do what ever they want in any situation. IF you are inexperienced enough to sit around for 2-3-4 volleys from a raven you deserve to lose your frigate end of story.
Gunboat-> Has possiblity of instapoping a frigate. Missile Boat--> Will pop a frigate eventually.
That is how it should be and IMO you frigate piltos can deal with it.
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Recluse XXX
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Posted - 2006.03.26 03:42:00 -
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Isnt this tread dead yet? I thought all the whiners that had spent months and months training for the wrong ships would have get CCP to notice them by noe...tsk tsk..
//Rec-a discrace to my flag
----------- Edited by: sausage jockey on 01/02/2006 22:02:39 We will not give up until we have penetrated the rear entrance to Stain, we hope this will hurt SA to the point they start to cry.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.03.26 03:47:00 -
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Edited by: Maya Rkell on 26/03/2006 03:54:57 See, "wrong ship".
Just because you like one type of ship dosn't mean it should be the only viable one. And CCP have allready SAID they're nerfing prescision missiles. It's a losing hand here Recluse.
Zhon, no, that's the current *T1* amo situation. The T2 prescision situation is warp or die. In 1-2 volleys. Period. It's...
Gunboat-> Has possiblity of instapoping a careless frigate Missile Boat--> Will pop a frigate very quickly
You cannot "deal" with being utterly unable to function arround ANY missile ship.
edit:
/me sniffs
Ah yes, that IS irony I smell.
"The Human eye is a marvelous device, with a very little effort it can overlook all but the most glaring injustice" - Quellchrist Falconer |
Recluse XXX
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Posted - 2006.03.26 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell See, "wrong ship".
Just because you like one type of ship dosn't mean it should be the only viable one. And CCP have allready SAID they're nerfing prescision missiles. It's a losing hand here Recluse.
Zhon, no, that's the current *T1* amo situation. The T2 prescision situation is warp or die. In 1-2 volleys. Period. It's...
Gunboat-> Has possiblity of instapoping a careless frigate Missile Boat--> Will pop a frigate very quickly
You cannot "deal" with being utterly unable to function arround ANY missile ship.
Leave me alone, go away...
//Rec
------------ Edited by: sausage jockey on 01/02/2006 22:02:39 We will not give up until we have penetrated the rear entrance to Stain, we hope this will hurt SA to the point they start to cry.
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Zhon
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Posted - 2006.03.26 05:37:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell Edited by: Maya Rkell on 26/03/2006 03:54:57 See, "wrong ship".
Just because you like one type of ship dosn't mean it should be the only viable one. And CCP have allready SAID they're nerfing prescision missiles. It's a losing hand here Recluse.
Zhon, no, that's the current *T1* amo situation. The T2 prescision situation is warp or die. In 1-2 volleys. Period. It's...
Gunboat-> Has possiblity of instapoping a careless frigate Missile Boat--> Will pop a frigate very quickly
You cannot "deal" with being utterly unable to function arround ANY missile ship.
edit:
/me sniffs
Ah yes, that IS irony I smell.
YEs CCP has said they are nerfing them, they havnt said how. They will probably make it to where they do the same thing as now but have a lwoer damage cap so they are ineffective against other battleships/Hacs. 9/10 frigs are killed my instapopping gunboats in this game, NOT Missile boats. So saying that only careless frig piltos get Popped is delusional. Unless you warp in on top of a gunboat at some point in your approach your transversal has to drop low enough to be hit. Like I said the main issue of this thread was that precsion provided a one size kills all platform. I doubt they will be nerfing the missile so that it doesnt do its intend job, So the poker game is still up and anything is possible until it is announced.
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Wizie
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Posted - 2006.03.27 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: Zhon
Originally by: Maya Rkell Edited by: Maya Rkell on 26/03/2006 03:54:57 See, "wrong ship".
Just because you like one type of ship dosn't mean it should be the only viable one. And CCP have allready SAID they're nerfing prescision missiles. It's a losing hand here Recluse.
Zhon, no, that's the current *T1* amo situation. The T2 prescision situation is warp or die. In 1-2 volleys. Period. It's...
Gunboat-> Has possiblity of instapoping a careless frigate Missile Boat--> Will pop a frigate very quickly
You cannot "deal" with being utterly unable to function arround ANY missile ship.
edit:
/me sniffs
Ah yes, that IS irony I smell.
YEs CCP has said they are nerfing them, they havnt said how. They will probably make it to where they do the same thing as now but have a lwoer damage cap so they are ineffective against other battleships/Hacs. 9/10 frigs are killed my instapopping gunboats in this game, NOT Missile boats. So saying that only careless frig piltos get Popped is delusional. Unless you warp in on top of a gunboat at some point in your approach your transversal has to drop low enough to be hit. Like I said the main issue of this thread was that precsion provided a one size kills all platform. I doubt they will be nerfing the missile so that it doesnt do its intend job, So the poker game is still up and anything is possible until it is announced.
Took a Wrath precision cruise firing 4 volleys to take my Vagabond to 2/3 structure.. That was with me flying at 3800m/s and at 480m/s... didnt matter what speeds.
On shields (avg dmg was 270, on armor 310). Still as VAga has low kinetic that is acceptable, but it would have fried an interceptor... in no time.
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Ghanima Atreides
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Posted - 2006.03.27 08:54:00 -
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Forgive me if this has been mentioned in another thread but has anyone else noticed precision cruise now have a blast radius of 150m and a blast velocity of 1000m/s?
I saw this last night whilst buying on the market but haven't seen an announcement about this.
It just means BS can specialise in combatting a ship class lower instead of two... seems balanced imo
(sorry I didn't look at the other missile classes precision versions)
=S=
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Boonaki
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Posted - 2006.03.27 10:23:00 -
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I think the only thing their nerfing is the explosion velocity, if you get webbed, your still dead. Fear the Ibis of doom. |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.03.27 15:43:00 -
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"Forgive me if this has been mentioned in another thread but has anyone else noticed precision cruise now have a blast radius of 150m and a blast velocity of 1000m/s?"
How's this any different from how they already were? o.O
(150 m is half of regular cruise explosion radius, which is how they're from the start)
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Hakera
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Posted - 2006.03.30 23:51:00 -
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sooo, does CCP have any update on whats happening?
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Hakera
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Posted - 2006.03.30 23:54:00 -
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Edited by: Hakera on 30/03/2006 23:55:15 Edited by: Hakera on 30/03/2006 23:54:22
Originally by: LUKEC
... <lots of dmg>
Ever fought a cerberus? I found them impossible to break with a minmatar hac, in fact didnt even get close to break the tank. An eagle doesnt do enough dps to break its tank whilst facing a salvo of 5 heavies from afar and many a eagle pilot use an ab to maintain transversial whilst bombarding.
Just for me, the hac league list is upset by t2 missiles, and part of the reason why caldari hacs cost so much (that and like 30% of eve players are caldari)
Not reason enough to sidetrack any debat eon precision, but being a T2 cruise missile user myself, i know how much better they are than my poor minnie hacs.
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Kaylana Syi
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Posted - 2006.04.22 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Zhon
Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Zhon
IF you are going to take away the jack of all trades master of none ability of the raven then it need to be given Battleship prowness. Which it lacks right now. Even with torps and their limited range and long delay we cant match the damage of a tempest.
The "limited range" of those torps give you the longest ranged of the short-range-high-damage BS weapon (something around 80+ km). The Raven may also be the most polyvalent of BS, with fittings like torps/EW+Cap injector/armor tank, or torps/full shield tank/3 damage mods... Before the missile overhaul, a torp Raven was the ship Blasterthron pilots feared most. Now, with the new skills on top of that, the Raven can do even more damage to another BS.
And you really think they need to have their anti-BS potentail still increased further?
Torp Raven -- 520 dps Blaster thron -- 670 dps
while that is higher than i thought it would be for torps it is still lower. Not to mention blaster will hit cruisers and frigs much better
Now fit a tank on that Torp Raven with tackling gear... and see which one wins. Mega 4tl.
Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
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