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Bob FromMarketing
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.11.27 23:45:00 -
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Quote:http://i.imgur.com/LRDda7e.jpg
Quote:[GÇô]DT_Saltire Yup, probed on login and bumped during e-warp till dead :-( Edit - well caught. /hat tip.
So, CCP
Logging off in a POS, entirely 100% bubble, agression and death immune, this Titan warps back in, gets bumped to **** and dies, even with the 30-50s warp align time because of the MWD he died like a ***** with Shadow Cartel balls rested gently on his forehead and this isn't remotely a broken mechanic?
Why is it that I spend time safe-logging my **** in a pos and waiting out aggression just to die like a ***** when this mechanic is used? why is it unpunishable or considered an exploit? Why is CCP Rise discussing market trading instead of adding reload times to something mundane like mining lasers?
Seriously though, why can't we just log back into our bubble of safety, or be entirely invulnerable in the same way carriers are unable to be bumped for the first 10s of undocking and are transparent, rather than being unable to do anything and dying.
ninja edit: This is more of an issue with warp times. |
Cuebick
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.11.28 00:01:00 -
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hahaha this seems a bit broken; kudos to SHDWC for pulling it off, but within the idea of ewarping and safe-logoffs... this seems stupid.
it also reminds me of this |
Destiny Calling
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.11.28 00:03:00 -
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Are you saying that CCP implements game mechanics without testing them?
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Rainbow Dash
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.11.28 00:24:00 -
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Gratz to SC for finally pulling of something that's only been theory for months.
Now that someone's actually pulled it off, maybe CCP will take it seriously. |
John Caffeine
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
13
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Posted - 2013.11.28 00:41:00 -
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Rainbow Dash wrote:Gratz to SC for finally pulling of something that's only been theory for months.
Now that someone's actually pulled it off, maybe CCP will take it seriously.
No one else have done this because no one else have tried.
Mostly because our petitions asking CCP if this tactic was legit was answered by a firm "no, don't do this" and a GM looking sternly at us. |
ScheenK
Constantine. Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2013.11.28 01:13:00 -
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Broken mechanic indeed, especially since, when you log off inside the pos bubble, no one actually sees you warp off, you just disappear, and then when you log back on ur in a ewarp safe, prolly should fix this ccp m8's |
Odocron
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.11.28 01:28:00 -
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Stop bitchin and fit 4 or 5 inerta stabs in lows before you log off and maybe a nomad and agility implant. Pulse mwd on login and no way they will catch you. Also scout system before you login? |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.11.28 01:35:00 -
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This seems very unfair. Unfair that PL can complain about unfair mechanics that is. HTFU and dont log in unless you have a cyno fitted and support nearby. |
fido goran
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2013.11.28 01:42:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote: HTFU and dont log in unless you have a cyno fitted and support nearby. Can't cyno while in e-warp, derp. |
Bob FromMarketing
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
189
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Posted - 2013.11.28 02:02:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:This seems very unfair. Unfair that PL can complain about unfair mechanics that is. HTFU and dont log in unless you have a cyno fitted and support nearby.
YEAH LET US FIT CYNOS TO SHIPS THAT CANT ACTIVATE MODULES AT ALL, UNFAIR FOR PL HURF BLURF. do you understand what the issue is here? Clearly not
Next time I want the opinion of a flaccid piece of salad I'll ask you, till then you're not allowed to have your own opinion and should probably adjust your life accordingly.
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Grarr Dexx
Snuff Box
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Posted - 2013.11.28 02:02:00 -
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while I gotta give them mad props for actually pulling this off, I too find that this is a bit beyond game mechanics
there's a reason why you can't get pointed during the e-warp |
Bob FromMarketing
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.11.28 02:05:00 -
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Grarr Dexx wrote:while I gotta give them mad props for actually pulling this off, I too find that this is a bit beyond game mechanics
there's a reason why you can't get pointed during the e-warp
Grarr didn't rage I'm afraid |
Tekitha
Malevolent Intentions Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2013.11.28 02:10:00 -
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I won't go as far as to say this is an exploit (it's within game mechanics after all) however I will say it is clearly broken or not "working as intended" and here is why.
When you log in a titan (or any ship for that matter) it immediately enters emergency warp, every normal method of interrupting this warp simply dos not work, more specifically; a) Ctrl-space, attempting to stop your ship has no effect (this also prevents you from cynoing, activating a cyno module or activating any offensive modules to allow you to fight back) and b) warp disruption modules, in this case focused points from a HIC, have no effect (the module will activate on the target but will not prevent that ship from warping off ... you can test this yourself quite easily). By this reasoning ccp's clear intention is that there should be no way to interrupt these emergency warps, therefore the ability for the ship to be bumped and / or targetted during this e-warp state is clearly flawed. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.11.28 02:25:00 -
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Tekitha wrote:I won't go as far as to say this is an exploit (it's within game mechanics after all) however I will say it is clearly broken or not "working as intended" and here is why.
When you log in a titan (or any ship for that matter) it immediately enters emergency warp, every normal method of interrupting this warp simply dos not work, more specifically; a) Ctrl-space, attempting to stop your ship has no effect (this also prevents you from cynoing, activating a cyno module or activating any offensive modules to allow you to fight back) and b) warp disruption modules, in this case focused points from a HIC, have no effect (the module will activate on the target but will not prevent that ship from warping off ... you can test this yourself quite easily). By this reasoning ccp's clear intention is that there should be no way to interrupt these emergency warps, therefore the ability for the ship to be bumped and / or targetted during this e-warp state is clearly flawed.
Heres the chain of events as i understand them
NoNah is bad, he exploited LP to earn a titan. then he lost his titan because he was bad...
Simple as that.
Goon bot down!
Good work Shadow Cartel! |
Bob FromMarketing
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
191
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Posted - 2013.11.28 02:27:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Tekitha wrote:I won't go as far as to say this is an exploit (it's within game mechanics after all) however I will say it is clearly broken or not "working as intended" and here is why.
When you log in a titan (or any ship for that matter) it immediately enters emergency warp, every normal method of interrupting this warp simply dos not work, more specifically; a) Ctrl-space, attempting to stop your ship has no effect (this also prevents you from cynoing, activating a cyno module or activating any offensive modules to allow you to fight back) and b) warp disruption modules, in this case focused points from a HIC, have no effect (the module will activate on the target but will not prevent that ship from warping off ... you can test this yourself quite easily). By this reasoning ccp's clear intention is that there should be no way to interrupt these emergency warps, therefore the ability for the ship to be bumped and / or targetted during this e-warp state is clearly flawed. Heres the chain of events as i understand them NoNah is bad, he exploited LP to earn a titan. then he lost his titan because he was bad... Simple as that. Good work Shadow Cartel!
I stole close on a trillion isk in supercapitals, should I have no right to claim that mechanics governing them are wrong because you're jealous? |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.11.28 02:32:00 -
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Bob FromMarketing wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Tekitha wrote:I won't go as far as to say this is an exploit (it's within game mechanics after all) however I will say it is clearly broken or not "working as intended" and here is why.
When you log in a titan (or any ship for that matter) it immediately enters emergency warp, every normal method of interrupting this warp simply dos not work, more specifically; a) Ctrl-space, attempting to stop your ship has no effect (this also prevents you from cynoing, activating a cyno module or activating any offensive modules to allow you to fight back) and b) warp disruption modules, in this case focused points from a HIC, have no effect (the module will activate on the target but will not prevent that ship from warping off ... you can test this yourself quite easily). By this reasoning ccp's clear intention is that there should be no way to interrupt these emergency warps, therefore the ability for the ship to be bumped and / or targetted during this e-warp state is clearly flawed. Heres the chain of events as i understand them NoNah is bad, he exploited LP to earn a titan. then he lost his titan because he was bad... Simple as that. Good work Shadow Cartel! I stole close on a trillion isk in supercapitals, should I have no right to claim that mechanics governing them are wrong because you're jealous?
...i dont even... |
Tekitha
Malevolent Intentions Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2013.11.28 02:35:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Tekitha wrote:I won't go as far as to say this is an exploit (it's within game mechanics after all) however I will say it is clearly broken or not "working as intended" and here is why.
When you log in a titan (or any ship for that matter) it immediately enters emergency warp, every normal method of interrupting this warp simply dos not work, more specifically; a) Ctrl-space, attempting to stop your ship has no effect (this also prevents you from cynoing, activating a cyno module or activating any offensive modules to allow you to fight back) and b) warp disruption modules, in this case focused points from a HIC, have no effect (the module will activate on the target but will not prevent that ship from warping off ... you can test this yourself quite easily). By this reasoning ccp's clear intention is that there should be no way to interrupt these emergency warps, therefore the ability for the ship to be bumped and / or targetted during this e-warp state is clearly flawed. Heres the chain of events as i understand them NoNah is bad, he exploited LP to earn a titan. then he lost his titan because he was bad... Simple as that. Goon bot down! Good work Shadow Cartel!
your personal gripes with Nonah or your former corp aside, my post was about broken game mechanics not the individuals involved in this particular case.
I won't derail this thread further by responding to your posts.
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.11.28 02:37:00 -
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Tekitha wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Tekitha wrote:I won't go as far as to say this is an exploit (it's within game mechanics after all) however I will say it is clearly broken or not "working as intended" and here is why.
When you log in a titan (or any ship for that matter) it immediately enters emergency warp, every normal method of interrupting this warp simply dos not work, more specifically; a) Ctrl-space, attempting to stop your ship has no effect (this also prevents you from cynoing, activating a cyno module or activating any offensive modules to allow you to fight back) and b) warp disruption modules, in this case focused points from a HIC, have no effect (the module will activate on the target but will not prevent that ship from warping off ... you can test this yourself quite easily). By this reasoning ccp's clear intention is that there should be no way to interrupt these emergency warps, therefore the ability for the ship to be bumped and / or targetted during this e-warp state is clearly flawed. Heres the chain of events as i understand them NoNah is bad, he exploited LP to earn a titan. then he lost his titan because he was bad... Simple as that. Goon bot down! Good work Shadow Cartel! your personal gripes with Nonah or your former corp aside, my post was about broken game mechanics not the individuals involved in this particular case. I won't derail this thread further by responding to your posts.
Mechanics seem fine to me.
Major advantages should equal major risks. Since you mainly fly with snuff atm (lol) i understand you dont want to face any risk but eve is what it is. |
Bob FromMarketing
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
191
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Posted - 2013.11.28 02:55:00 -
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you're ********. The whole point of this is that you can't activate any lifeline modules - Cyno, neut, smartbomb, guns (lol) so why are you able to get bumped and curbstomped?
I tell you what, I'll hold you in an iteron V with 300 plex by bumping it, and you can't warp off, log off, or do ANYTHING to save yourself, and you tell me that it's not broken, you can have the plex when we're done. Also I get to siege dreads and shoot you while you're sitting there, helpless.
(you are allowed to badpost all over eve-o forums while this happens) |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.11.28 02:59:00 -
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Bob FromMarketing wrote:you're ********. The whole point of this is that you can't activate any lifeline modules - Cyno, neut, smartbomb, guns (lol) so why are you able to get bumped and curbstomped?
Its been very clear for years that you ARE TACKLEABLE once you log in before you warp down to POS. Nothing has changed apart from warp speeds.
Dont rage at me because some titan pilot didnt take the new warp speed differentials into account. I have to take them into account every time i undock so i dont see why some scrub who exploited FW LP like a common goon to afford a titan doesnt have to as well lol.
Putting more risk into supercap ownership is not a bad thing for EVE. |
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Bob FromMarketing
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.11.28 03:02:00 -
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how are you tacklable? you can't be bubbled, pointed, scrammed or webbed? EXPLAIN MORE PLEASE, USE WORDS AND FORM SENTENCES
From a friend - All their alliance did was cradle DnD's balls and suckle upon them |
Bob FromMarketing
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
191
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Posted - 2013.11.28 03:03:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote: I have to take them into account every time i undock so i dont see why some scrub who exploited FW LP like a common goon to afford a titan doesnt have to as well lol.
Putting more risk into supercap ownership is not a bad thing for EVE.
Basically, mad cus poor. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Samurai Pizza Cats
747
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Posted - 2013.11.28 03:04:00 -
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Bob FromMarketing wrote:how are you tacklable? you can't be bubbled, pointed, scrammed or webbed? EXPLAIN MORE PLEASE, USE WORDS AND FORM SENTENCES
You cant interdicted when you log out. But when you log back in, if someone probes your immediate spawn point and infini-points you there, you can be.
Perhaps you need acquainting with the mechanics? |
Flyinghotpocket
Amarrian Vengeance Team Amarrica
204
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Posted - 2013.11.28 03:05:00 -
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here comes the banhammer |
Bob FromMarketing
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.11.28 03:06:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Bob FromMarketing wrote:how are you tacklable? you can't be bubbled, pointed, scrammed or webbed? EXPLAIN MORE PLEASE, USE WORDS AND FORM SENTENCES You cant interdicted when you log out. But when you log back in, if someone probes your immediate spawn point and infini-points you there, you can be. Perhaps you need acquainting with the mechanics? I could just about afford a titan if there was any fun in it. Seems a bit risky to own one right now thought, amirite?
let me reiterate I have owned and stolen around 50 supercapitals you cannot be pointed at log-in the module activates but you still peace out. Maybe save some isk and don't rage-jump dreads into Tama and buy one for yourself |
Tekitha
Malevolent Intentions Dead Terrorists
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Posted - 2013.11.28 03:07:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote: You cant interdicted when you log out. But when you log back in, if someone probes your immediate spawn point and infini-points you there, you can be.
Perhaps you need acquainting with the mechanics?
Please go so sisi test this for yourself ... You'll find you are sorely mistaken
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Bagehi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.11.28 03:10:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Bob FromMarketing wrote:how are you tacklable? you can't be bubbled, pointed, scrammed or webbed? EXPLAIN MORE PLEASE, USE WORDS AND FORM SENTENCES You cant interdicted when you log out. But when you log back in, if someone probes your immediate spawn point and infini-points you there, you can be. Perhaps you need acquainting with the mechanics? I could just about afford a titan if there was any fun in it. Seems a bit risky to own one right now thought, amirite?
This is incorrect. The super can be locked. It can be shot. It can be pointed. However, it will align and warp, ignoring all points on it. That is how the mechanics have worked for some time now. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.11.28 03:11:00 -
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Either way, seems you should take precautions to prevent people from bumping and killing your riskless supers on login.
If those precautions involve raging on forums, i will accept that. Personally id rather use the mechanic to spawn fights. Its not like PL cant smash SC. Just they are smarter than you so complaining on forums seems like your best choice lol. |
Bob FromMarketing
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
191
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Posted - 2013.11.28 03:14:00 -
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are you just saying words now? because it seems like an awful lot of effort to re-affirm your current sub-human status.
EMP is recruiting. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Samurai Pizza Cats
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Posted - 2013.11.28 03:16:00 -
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Bob FromMarketing wrote:are you just saying words now? because it seems like an awful lot of effort to re-affirm your current sub-human status.
EMP is recruiting.
In a thread of ironic whining comes the most ironic post so far.
Maybe you should have filed a petition? If you wanted sympathy, this is probably not the place to come. |
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