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MestariBation
Fistful of Finns Bearf0rce One
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Posted - 2013.11.27 15:51:00 -
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Are there any unbiased EVE news site? Send me isk im poor |
Velicitia
Emergent Avionics
1866
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Posted - 2013.11.27 15:52:00 -
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nope One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1531
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Posted - 2013.11.27 15:55:00 -
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Objectivity is a lie. Deconstruct erryday. :catdrugs: |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8843
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Posted - 2013.11.27 15:56:00 -
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http://themittani.com/ Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
2035
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Posted - 2013.11.27 15:57:00 -
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Either the observer is in the middle of the action, which means they are a part of one of the warring sides, which means they are biased. Or they are not a part of the action, which means they lack any first hand information, which means they are fatally inaccurate.
There is no such thing as an accurate unbiased depiction of events. What to one side is a calculated tactical retreat, to the other is a crushing victory - and neither side is wrong. The best way to stay informed is to disregard any reports which claim to be "unbiased" (as there is no such thing, anyone who claims to be so only intends to deceive you into believing their propaganda), and look equally for a perspective from both sides of the conflict.
History is written by the winners. |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
44
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Posted - 2013.11.27 15:57:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:http://themittani.com/
he said unbiased
Abdiel Kavash wrote:There is no such thing as an accurate unbiased depiction of events. What to one side is a calculated tactical retreat, to the other is a crushing victory - and neither side is wrong.
This is false.
Your example about victory vs retreat is moot, since your example involves a pity debate over the intention of an action rather than a description of the action itself (eg, the army was repositioned). |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8843
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Posted - 2013.11.27 16:12:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:baltec1 wrote:http://themittani.com/ he said unbiased
Its as unbiased as you are going to get. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
14734
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Posted - 2013.11.27 16:12:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:baltec1 wrote:http://themittani.com/ he said unbiased Compared to EN24, TMC is a paragon of virtue.
To answer the OP there is no such thing as an unbiased purveyor of news, whether it is real world or not.
I am furnishing this post "as is" I do not provide any warranty whatsoever, whether express, implied, or statutory, including, but not limited to, any relevance or fitness for purpose or any warranty that the contents herein are error-free.
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Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
44
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Posted - 2013.11.27 16:14:00 -
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mittani is super biased.
maybe he is "less biased than EN24" but that isn't really saying much
to cement it for OP:
there is no unbiased news source for EVE Online. |
Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
5
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Posted - 2013.11.27 16:14:00 -
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http://www.minerbumping.com/ |
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Electrique Wizard
Mutually Lucrative Business Proposals Market and Contract PVP
169
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Posted - 2013.11.27 16:19:00 -
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Alyth Nerun wrote:http://www.minerbumping.com/ no empty quoting allowed I am the Zodiac, I am the stars, You are the sorceress, my priestess of Mars, Queen of the night, swathed in satin black, Your ivory flesh upon my torture rack. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
4489
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Posted - 2013.11.27 16:23:00 -
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Electrique Wizard wrote:Alyth Nerun wrote:http://www.minerbumping.com/ no empty quoting allowed OP asked for news sites. Not 'Oh god please pay attention to me' sites. . |
Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
189
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Posted - 2013.11.27 16:24:00 -
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http://eveion.blogspot.ca/ |
Alyth Nerun
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
6
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Posted - 2013.11.27 16:29:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Electrique Wizard wrote:Alyth Nerun wrote:http://www.minerbumping.com/ no empty quoting allowed OP asked for news sites. Not 'Oh god please pay attention to me' sites. Who cares about nullsec politics when the important war is in highsec |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1863
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Posted - 2013.11.27 16:53:00 -
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can anyone please point to any actual examples of bias at TMC
or are we just assuming there's bias because it's named after an evil space sorcerer |
Antihrist Pripravnik
Paravan Korporacija
136
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Posted - 2013.11.27 16:54:00 -
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There aren't any unbiased news sites even in RL. The key is to see which news site is biased towards which side, read sites from both sides, discard obvious bull**** from both sites as propaganda and find the middle. That middle ground is as close to the truth as you can get (apart from participating in the events described). CCP Ytterbium: Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1582
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Posted - 2013.11.27 17:04:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:http://themittani.com/
+1 for having a sense of the ridiculous. This is not a signature. |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
755
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Posted - 2013.11.27 17:06:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:http://themittani.com/ More often referred to as "Goons News Network" ;)
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1372
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Posted - 2013.11.27 17:09:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:baltec1 wrote:http://themittani.com/ he said unbiased Its as unbiased as you are going to get. Say anything negative towards GSF in any article, even in a well constructed argument. You'll find your post not only deleted, but your ability to repost anything aswell...
Pretty damn biased... Support my (possibly dumb) Ideas!! Worm Rebalance!!! |
Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
288
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Posted - 2013.11.27 17:15:00 -
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MestariBation wrote:Are there any unbiased EVE news site? You mean like Fox News? |
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8847
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Posted - 2013.11.27 17:26:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote: Say anything negative towards GSF in any article, even in a well constructed argument. You'll find your post not only deleted, but your ability to repost anything aswell...
Pretty damn biased...
You can say what you want as long as you don't go sperg posting. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1582
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Posted - 2013.11.27 17:35:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote: Say anything negative towards GSF in any article, even in a well constructed argument. You'll find your post not only deleted, but your ability to repost anything aswell...
Pretty damn biased...
You can say what you want as long as you don't go sperg posting.
Sperg - is that goon speak for some thing or other?
Whenever I see ggon speak I always get a mental image of Mittens telling the new goonies, "now class, repeat after me, sperg, pubbie" etc This is not a signature. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1141
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Posted - 2013.11.27 17:38:00 -
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Nothing is unbiased in EVE. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
Laserak
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
182
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Posted - 2013.11.27 17:41:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Sperg - is that goon speak for some thing or other? Whenever I see ggon speak I always get a mental image of Mittens telling the new goonies, "now class, repeat after me, sperg, pubbie" etc
Sperg is short for sperglord which is derived from Aspergers, which is a form of autism. Someone who feels the need to be correct and validate themselves by stating facts or truisms regardless of circumstance, despite being completely socially inept at gauging exactly how much of a nobgobbler this makes them.
See your post for reference. |
Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
2038
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Posted - 2013.11.27 17:42:00 -
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KuroVolt wrote:Nothing is unbiased. Fixed. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1539
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Posted - 2013.11.27 17:49:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:baltec1 wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote: Say anything negative towards GSF in any article, even in a well constructed argument. You'll find your post not only deleted, but your ability to repost anything aswell...
Pretty damn biased...
You can say what you want as long as you don't go sperg posting. Sperg - is that goon speak for some thing or other? Whenever I see ggon speak I always get a mental image of Mittens telling the new goonies, "now class, repeat after me, sperg, pubbie" etc
Look at these people using terms that you find all over the internet, someone must be indoctrinating them somehow |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1582
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Posted - 2013.11.27 17:56:00 -
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Laserak wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Sperg - is that goon speak for some thing or other? Whenever I see ggon speak I always get a mental image of Mittens telling the new goonies, "now class, repeat after me, sperg, pubbie" etc Sperg is short for sperglord which is derived from Aspergers, which is a form of autism. Someone who feels the need to be correct and validate themselves by stating facts or truisms regardless of circumstance, despite being completely socially inept at gauging exactly how much of a nobgobbler this makes them. See your post for reference.
Nobgobbler - so, you are aged about 13 or so?
You should look up what Autism actually is.
But, enough from me in this thread.
You, you, pubbie This is not a signature. |
MestariBation
Fistful of Finns Bearf0rce One
44
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:04:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Laserak wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Sperg - is that goon speak for some thing or other? Whenever I see ggon speak I always get a mental image of Mittens telling the new goonies, "now class, repeat after me, sperg, pubbie" etc Sperg is short for sperglord which is derived from Aspergers, which is a form of autism. Someone who feels the need to be correct and validate themselves by stating facts or truisms regardless of circumstance, despite being completely socially inept at gauging exactly how much of a nobgobbler this makes them. See your post for reference. Nobgobbler - so, you are aged about 13 or so? You should look up what Autism actually is. But, enough from me in this thread. You, you, pubbie Try this one. Send me isk im poor |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
221
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:04:00 -
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Alyth Nerun wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Electrique Wizard wrote:Alyth Nerun wrote:http://www.minerbumping.com/ no empty quoting allowed OP asked for news sites. Not 'Oh god please pay attention to me' sites. Who cares about nullsec politics when the important war is in highsec
Low sec is where the real action is. Where bored null bears play and pirates sit for unsuspecting high sec care bears.
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Bizzaro Stormy MurphDog
B.L.U.E L.A.S.E.R.
242
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:09:00 -
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Don't look for unbiased news, you'll never really find it.
Just learn the life skill of "reading between the lines" which is a skill that most of the population refuses to employ.
Worry about biased news sources is misplaced. Worry instead about not being a skeptical reader, and then work on it. I am not an alt of Chribba. |
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Jythier Smith
WATERSHIP HOLDINGS Harmonic Convergence
189
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:13:00 -
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I enjoy both news sites. I would like to make my own someday, but it would be satire and pointless. :P |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
1943
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:14:00 -
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Laserak wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Sperg - is that goon speak for some thing or other? Whenever I see ggon speak I always get a mental image of Mittens telling the new goonies, "now class, repeat after me, sperg, pubbie" etc Sperg is short for sperglord which is derived from Aspergers, which is a form of autism. Someone who feels the need to be correct and validate themselves by stating facts or truisms regardless of circumstance, despite being completely socially inept at gauging exactly how much of a nobgobbler this makes them. See your post for reference. It's a pretty offensive term, actually. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8848
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Posted - 2013.11.27 18:18:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Laserak wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Sperg - is that goon speak for some thing or other? Whenever I see ggon speak I always get a mental image of Mittens telling the new goonies, "now class, repeat after me, sperg, pubbie" etc Sperg is short for sperglord which is derived from Aspergers, which is a form of autism. Someone who feels the need to be correct and validate themselves by stating facts or truisms regardless of circumstance, despite being completely socially inept at gauging exactly how much of a nobgobbler this makes them. See your post for reference. It's a pretty offensive term, actually.
That's where it came from but no longer what it is used for.
Nowadays it simply refers to someone getting all angry and posting utter sludge in a hate filled rant.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1372
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Posted - 2013.11.27 19:37:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote: Say anything negative towards GSF in any article, even in a well constructed argument. You'll find your post not only deleted, but your ability to repost anything aswell...
Pretty damn biased...
You can say what you want as long as you don't go sperg posting. After my 8 months in CFC I learned its pretty much a written law to keep your opinions to yourself unless you're command.
Drones are told to shut up and do as they're told. Even during the CSM elections when you're told who to vote for.
So sperg posting means nothing negative... Support my (possibly dumb) Ideas!! Worm Rebalance!!! |
MestariBation
Fistful of Finns Bearf0rce One
44
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Posted - 2013.11.27 19:41:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:baltec1 wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote: Say anything negative towards GSF in any article, even in a well constructed argument. You'll find your post not only deleted, but your ability to repost anything aswell...
Pretty damn biased...
You can say what you want as long as you don't go sperg posting. After my 8 months in CFC I learned its pretty much a written law to keep your opinions to yourself unless you're command. Drones are told to shut up and do as they're told. Even during the CSM elections when you're told who to vote for. So sperg posting means nothing negative... and now you are RvBee Send me isk im poor |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1545
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Posted - 2013.11.27 22:42:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:baltec1 wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote: Say anything negative towards GSF in any article, even in a well constructed argument. You'll find your post not only deleted, but your ability to repost anything aswell...
Pretty damn biased...
You can say what you want as long as you don't go sperg posting. After my 8 months in CFC I learned its pretty much a written law to keep your opinions to yourself unless you're command. Drones are told to shut up and do as they're told. Even during the CSM elections when you're told who to vote for. So sperg posting means nothing negative...
Maybe your opinions were just terrible. Ever think of that? |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1374
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Posted - 2013.11.28 11:16:00 -
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Johnny Marzetti wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:baltec1 wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote: Say anything negative towards GSF in any article, even in a well constructed argument. You'll find your post not only deleted, but your ability to repost anything aswell...
Pretty damn biased...
You can say what you want as long as you don't go sperg posting. After my 8 months in CFC I learned its pretty much a written law to keep your opinions to yourself unless you're command. Drones are told to shut up and do as they're told. Even during the CSM elections when you're told who to vote for. So sperg posting means nothing negative... Maybe your opinions were just terrible. Ever think of that? I never expressed any opinions, why should I speak to one who has his head up anothers ass they can't hear?
I seen alot of "STFU stupid pubbie and do as your told..." Support my (possibly dumb) Ideas!! Worm Rebalance!!! |
Iria Ahrens
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
100
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Posted - 2013.11.28 11:29:00 -
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The days of unbiased reporting, or at least the attempt at unbiased reporting, are over. No longer do reporters ask, "Just the facts Mam." They ask, "How does that make you feel." Because you disdained all my counsel, and my reproof you ignoredGÇö I, in my turn, will laugh at your doom; will mock when terror overtakes you; -- Ultimate Griefer's Handbook |
Ursula Thrace
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
181
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Posted - 2013.11.28 14:17:00 -
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MestariBation wrote:Are there any unbiased EVE news site?
no
baltec1 wrote:http://themittani.com/
this can be likened to faux news...i mean fox news.
eve online original intro
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Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
714
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Posted - 2013.11.28 14:20:00 -
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This is probably the closest you get. Just saying. Mr. Science & Trade Institute, EVE Online Lorebook-á |
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EvEa Deva
State War Academy Caldari State
384
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Posted - 2013.11.28 14:21:00 -
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http://evemaps.dotlan.net/
You can see whats going on without all the cool internet people saying the same **** all the time. |
SpoonRECKLESS
Bumper R Us
93
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Posted - 2013.11.28 14:32:00 -
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Just hear me on this please. The Mittani is ran by the Grr Mittens but they have some great writers on that site who do good articles on eve related things and as well other games. Yes it has stuff about goons but once you get pass that its pretty well done stuff written by mostly sane people. Blue
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Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
475
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Posted - 2013.11.28 15:30:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Laserak wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Sperg - is that goon speak for some thing or other? Whenever I see ggon speak I always get a mental image of Mittens telling the new goonies, "now class, repeat after me, sperg, pubbie" etc Sperg is short for sperglord which is derived from Aspergers, which is a form of autism. Someone who feels the need to be correct and validate themselves by stating facts or truisms regardless of circumstance, despite being completely socially inept at gauging exactly how much of a nobgobbler this makes them. See your post for reference. It's a pretty offensive term, actually. Really? If there's anything Goons hate it's being offensive.
EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
Arduemont
The State of War.
2462
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Posted - 2013.11.28 15:48:00 -
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All data is biased, either by the reader, or by the writer. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
46
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Posted - 2013.11.28 16:32:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:All data is biased, either by the reader, or by the writer.
http://xkcd.com/263/
a(b + c) = ab + ac
Politicize that, bitches. |
PR0JECT 2501
Section Nine
0
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Posted - 2013.11.28 16:57:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:Arduemont wrote:All data is biased, either by the reader, or by the writer. http://xkcd.com/263/a(b + c) = ab + ac Politicize that, bitches.
Is this the formula for calculating future political allegiance in 1984? |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
763
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Posted - 2013.11.28 17:11:00 -
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SpoonRECKLESS wrote:Just hear me on this please. The Mittani is ran by the Grr Mittens And every time you click on a link loading that site you support it.
Since page exposure is a vital part of covering the costs of operating almost any site.
SpoonRECKLESS wrote: but they have some great writers on that site who do good articles on eve related things and as well other games. Yes it has stuff about goons but once you get pass that its pretty well done stuff written by mostly sane people.
They do, but most of the non-goon stuff is available directly from the source(s).
Now, I don't have any issues at all with any of the people behind TMC nor Goons as such.
I had at least 2 Goons on my ballot for CSM (with Mynna as #2 after Uncle Stevie).
My problem is that Goons(tm) has spent so many years positioning themselves as Eve's #1 "undesirables" (there are other more colourful words for it but they're not suited for a high standard forum like this one).
We've been fed so much talk (aka posturing or even RP) about how we "pubbies" are such a sad little bunch of no importance and hints about our obvious lack of insight since we are, well, "pubbies".
And now we are somehow to believe that all that stuff from before was just "posturing and RP" and not at all related to how intelligent and well behaved those "New Goons" really are.
So no, I'll wait some more years before I buy this.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
742
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Posted - 2013.11.28 17:13:00 -
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There are no unbiased news sites these days. News is more opinion than actual news these days, even the real world news. |
Maxpie
MUSE Buy-n-Large Metaphysical Utopian Society Enterprises
347
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Posted - 2013.11.28 17:14:00 -
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Some say they have a Gallente bias, but I think The Scope is fair and balanced.
No good deed goes unpunished |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
475
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Posted - 2013.11.28 17:15:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:We've been fed so much talk (aka posturing or even RP) about how we "pubbies" are such a sad little bunch of no importance and hints about our obvious lack of insight since we are, well, "pubbies".
And now we are somehow to believe that all that stuff from before was just "posturing and RP" and not at all related to how intelligent and well behaved those "New Goons" really are. You have been sadly misinformed. No matter how successful we are att Eve pubbies are still pubbies.
EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
222
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Posted - 2013.11.28 17:25:00 -
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PR0JECT 2501 wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:Arduemont wrote:All data is biased, either by the reader, or by the writer. http://xkcd.com/263/a(b + c) = ab + ac Politicize that, bitches. Is this the formula for calculating future political allegiance in 1984?
It looks like the formula for when there are 2 women for 1 man and they agree to share him.
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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
814
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Posted - 2013.11.28 17:55:00 -
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Why anyone would give up their IP to a site that can then use it for DDos attacks is probably not a good idea.
CCP, trading shiny pictures for playability since 2003.. EvE, a cutting edge game. The only game to provide Matrix style gameplay for the masses! (trouble is, most people don't have 9 hours to waste on a one hour fight.) |
Leigh Akiga
Trickle Down Economics
361
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Posted - 2013.11.28 18:01:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Why anyone would give up their IP to a site that can then use it for DDos attacks is probably not a good idea.
Because its terribly hard to discover a persons IP address.. the only time IP shenanigans were perpetrated by an eve news site was actually EN24 when Riverini got buttmad at a former writer or something and doxxed the guy and published his real life details.
Kinda like when the democratic party published the home addresses of licensed firearms owners. |
Noddy Comet
Lysdexic Agnostics - Thier is no Dog
109
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Posted - 2013.11.28 19:13:00 -
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Ursula Thrace wrote:MestariBation wrote:Are there any unbiased EVE news site? no baltec1 wrote:http://themittani.com/ this can be likened to faux news...i mean fox news.
Aww.. show us on the doll where 'the one new channel that doesn't get it's talking points directly from the Democratic National Convention daily fax news-release and if you don't agree 100% with the pablum they shove down your throat that it contained you must be a racist' touched you.
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Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
475
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Posted - 2013.11.28 19:32:00 -
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Noddy Comet wrote:Aww.. show us on the doll where 'the one new channel that doesn't get it's talking points directly from the Democratic National Convention daily fax news-release and if you don't agree 100% with the pablum they shove down your throat that it contained you must be a racist' touched you.
Conservative rage is soooooo fulfilling.
EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
MestariBation
Fistful of Finns Bearf0rce One
44
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Posted - 2013.11.28 19:52:00 -
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Noddy Comet wrote:Ursula Thrace wrote:MestariBation wrote:Are there any unbiased EVE news site? no baltec1 wrote:http://themittani.com/ this can be likened to faux news...i mean fox news. Aww.. show us on the doll where 'the one new channel that doesn't get it's talking points directly from the Democratic National Convention daily fax news-release and if you don't agree 100% with the pablum they shove down your throat that it contained you must be a racist' touched you. Heston lives! Send me isk im poor |
Arduemont
The State of War.
2474
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Posted - 2013.11.29 19:04:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:Arduemont wrote:All data is biased, either by the reader, or by the writer. http://xkcd.com/263/a(b + c) = ab + ac Politicize that, bitches.
Not even math is certain all the time. I recommend "The Folly of Reason", if you want to have the notion of maths as infallible challenged.
Just look at string theory. You can 'prove' anything is true with maths and string theory. Doesn't mean it's right. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA Apex.
52
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Posted - 2013.11.29 19:08:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:Arduemont wrote:All data is biased, either by the reader, or by the writer. http://xkcd.com/263/a(b + c) = ab + ac Politicize that, bitches. Not even math is certain all the time. I recommend "The Folly of Reason", if you want to have the notion of maths as infallible challenged. Just look at string theory. You can ' prove' anything is true with maths and string theory. Doesn't mean it's right.
if you are talking about the paradoxes that were debated at length during the early 20th century, that's pretty old news.
the solution was to be very careful about your axioms and how you state your conclusions.
also, string theory is just a model. it's not really some sort of mathematical formula or theorem, it's something primarily the physicists are interested in...and like all physical theories, there's no proofs at all, just predictions, evidence and data. very different from math. |
Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1165
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Posted - 2013.11.29 19:10:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:. You can 'prove' anything with facts
Trudat High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |
Arduemont
The State of War.
2474
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Posted - 2013.11.29 19:14:00 -
[60] - Quote
Pinky Hops wrote:Arduemont wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:Arduemont wrote:All data is biased, either by the reader, or by the writer. http://xkcd.com/263/a(b + c) = ab + ac Politicize that, bitches. Not even math is certain all the time. I recommend "The Folly of Reason", if you want to have the notion of maths as infallible challenged. Just look at string theory. You can ' prove' anything is true with maths and string theory. Doesn't mean it's right. if you are talking about the paradoxes that were debated at length during the early 20th century, that's pretty old news. the solution was to be very careful about your axioms and how you state your conclusions. also, string theory is just a model. it's not really some sort of mathematical formula or theorem, it's something primarily the physicists are interested in...and like all physical theories, there's no proofs at all, just predictions, evidence and data. very different from math.
All right, touch+¬ on the paradoxes but although string theory is just a model, the maths is solid. But it's still ludicrous, unprovable rubbish. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1528
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Posted - 2013.11.29 19:14:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:http://themittani.com/
yes a news site named after the goon leader has zero slant.
tbh EN24 = fox news
The Mittani = MSNBC
if you are looking for good and current news on eve i would suggest reddit.com/r/eve
thats a good place to start... There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1528
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Posted - 2013.11.29 19:17:00 -
[62] - Quote
Benny Ohu wrote:can anyone please point to any actual examples of bias at TMC
or are we just assuming there's bias because it's named after an evil space sorcerer
context and wording...
bias is found in word selection about an event.
every news paper does it.
its like some newspapers call them freedom righters and others call them terrorists.
its the context that puts the slant on the news not the subject. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1528
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Posted - 2013.11.29 19:19:00 -
[63] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote: Say anything negative towards GSF in any article, even in a well constructed argument. You'll find your post not only deleted, but your ability to repost anything aswell...
Pretty damn biased...
You can say what you want as long as you don't go sperg posting.
is censorship a form of bias? There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
705
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Posted - 2013.11.29 19:20:00 -
[64] - Quote
Ursula Thrace wrote:MestariBation wrote:Are there any unbiased EVE news site? no baltec1 wrote:http://themittani.com/ this can be likened to faux news...i mean fox news.
If you had any idea what you were talking about you would know what a bullshit comparison that is. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1528
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Posted - 2013.11.29 19:24:00 -
[65] - Quote
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Ursula Thrace wrote:MestariBation wrote:Are there any unbiased EVE news site? no baltec1 wrote:http://themittani.com/ this can be likened to faux news...i mean fox news. If you had any idea what you were talking about you would know what a bullshit comparison that is.
other then battle reports the bulk of the news on mittani.com is op/ed....
not sure how you can argue thats not biased. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
705
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Posted - 2013.11.29 19:48:00 -
[66] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Ursula Thrace wrote:MestariBation wrote:Are there any unbiased EVE news site? no baltec1 wrote:http://themittani.com/ this can be likened to faux news...i mean fox news. If you had any idea what you were talking about you would know what a bullshit comparison that is. other then battle reports the bulk of the news on mittani.com is op/ed.... not sure how you can argue thats not biased.
Eve news gets reported as-is. The only remotely op-ed stuff is book/game reviews and alliance updates. If you seriously go "The Mittani sometimes posts his alliance updates to tmc, therefore it's a biased website" you're actually insane. Everything else is purely informational almost to a painful degree.
Comparing it to fox news is super disingenuous and not only delegitimizes the serious problems with biased real news reporting, you're also actually weighing Eve Online "news" as equal to real news.
Even suggesting that eve "news" can be biased or misreported in the same way that real life current events can, indicates how unbalanced some of you people really are. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1528
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Posted - 2013.11.29 19:55:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote: Eve news gets reported as-is. The only remotely op-ed stuff is book/game reviews and alliance updates. If you seriously go "The Mittani sometimes posts his alliance updates to tmc, therefore it's a biased website" you're actually insane. Everything else is purely informational almost to a painful degree.
Comparing it to fox news is super disingenuous and not only delegitimizes the serious problems with biased real news reporting, you're also actually weighing Eve Online "news" as equal to real news.
Even suggesting that eve "news" can be biased or misreported in the same way that real life current events can, indicates how unbalanced some of you people really are.
nah en24 is fox... you guys are MSNBC.
furthermore atleast you guys note at the beggining of the articles that they are slanted.
but as i said in an earlier post that bias can be as slight as context and choosing what word to describe an event.
for the mittani.com i would think suffer from cognitive bias. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
1868
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Posted - 2013.11.29 20:22:00 -
[68] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:can anyone please point to any actual examples of bias at TMC
or are we just assuming there's bias because it's named after an evil space sorcerer context and wording... bias is found in word selection about an event. every news paper does it. its like some newspapers call them freedom righters and others call them terrorists. its the context that puts the slant on the news not the subject. so no examples |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1594
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Posted - 2013.11.29 20:52:00 -
[69] - Quote
Dear Proletariat Tingtango - please stop posting, you are giving goons a bad name.
See your post, number 66, for details. This is not a signature. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1531
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Posted - 2013.11.29 21:18:00 -
[70] - Quote
Benny Ohu wrote:so no examples
interpret how you will...
thats is your choice and bias to do so There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
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M1k3y Koontz
thorn project Surely You're Joking
416
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Posted - 2013.11.30 00:27:00 -
[71] - Quote
Pinky Hops wrote:mittani is super biased.
maybe he is "less biased than EN24" but that isn't really saying much
to cement it for OP:
there is no unbiased news source for EVE Online.
Indeed. It's like comparing MSNBC and CNN. CNN isn't as biased as MSNBC, but it's no temple of fact. How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
M1k3y Koontz
thorn project Surely You're Joking
416
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Posted - 2013.11.30 00:36:00 -
[72] - Quote
Ursula Thrace wrote:MestariBation wrote:Are there any unbiased EVE news site? no baltec1 wrote:http://themittani.com/ this can be likened to faux news...i mean fox news.
I dare say that's an insult to Fox News... How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance
1108
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Posted - 2013.11.30 00:39:00 -
[73] - Quote
Without a profit incentive, eve news sites will only exist for reporting their own perspective either for propaganda or attention. Plus, doing real reporting is work and if you aren't getting paid...
Reporting requires sources and trust. In a game like this there are really no consequences or incentives to give multiple perspectives to even try to report objective news. Maybe if the game allowed you one and only one character, which you could never change and was connected to your DNA maybe you could get something 'real'.
I think people should just be greatful for organized story tellers of real events. True, true with spin, completely false...whatever, it's a video game. Just have fun with it. Maximze your Industry Potential! - Get EVE Isk per Hour! |
M1k3y Koontz
thorn project Surely You're Joking
416
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Posted - 2013.11.30 00:43:00 -
[74] - Quote
Proletariat Tingtango wrote: Say anything negative towards GSF in any article, even in a well constructed argument. You'll find your post not only deleted, but your ability to repost anything aswell...
Pretty damn biased...
Happened to me
PR0JECT 2501 wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:Arduemont wrote:All data is biased, either by the reader, or by the writer. http://xkcd.com/263/a(b + c) = ab + ac Politicize that, bitches. Is this the formula for calculating future political allegiance in 1984?
2 + 2 = 5 Goddamn it! How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6513
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Posted - 2013.11.30 01:10:00 -
[75] - Quote
Benny Ohu wrote:can anyone please point to any actual examples of bias at TMC
or are we just assuming there's bias because it's named after an evil space sorcerer I can, but it was an article written by Phreeze. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |
Ryhss
157
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Posted - 2013.11.30 03:09:00 -
[76] - Quote
Since I can't empty quote.... I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK" |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6514
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Posted - 2013.11.30 04:56:00 -
[77] - Quote
Isn't there ANYONE with internet spaceship journalistic integrity around hereGÇ+ EVE Online - An Unstable Game |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
772
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Posted - 2013.11.30 05:01:00 -
[78] - Quote
Rhes wrote:Lors Dornick wrote:We've been fed so much talk (aka posturing or even RP) about how we "pubbies" are such a sad little bunch of no importance and hints about our obvious lack of insight since we are, well, "pubbies".
And now we are somehow to believe that all that stuff from before was just "posturing and RP" and not at all related to how intelligent and well behaved those "New Goons" really are. You have been sadly misinformed. No matter how successful we are att Eve pubbies are still pubbies. Indeed, and as pubbie I see no reason to support a Goonies site.
CCP Eterne: Silly player, ALL devs are evil. CCP Fozzie: When Veritas describes a programming challenge as "very hard" I tend to believe him.
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1754
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Posted - 2013.11.30 05:06:00 -
[79] - Quote
MeBiatch wrote:if you are looking for good and current news on eve i would suggest reddit.com/r/eve
thats a good place to start...
ahahahahaha no
try posting against the grain there and you'll come back in 10 minutes to see your post downvoted into oblivion and autohidden
oh and the moderators there are total aspies who believe themselves to be the final authority on what is "relevant" to EVE, which includes deleting posts with certain titles but, strangely enough, copy/pasting entire blog posts, devblogs and TMC articles (all of which are covered by copyright) into self-posts perfectly fine
oh well, won't be long until the subreddit is nuked by the admins for just that npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5270
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Posted - 2013.11.30 05:09:00 -
[80] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Benny Ohu wrote:can anyone please point to any actual examples of bias at TMC
or are we just assuming there's bias because it's named after an evil space sorcerer I can, but it was an article written by Phreeze. can we get Gevlon Goblin to tell us about how third partying was the mittani's last final mistake? There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1754
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Posted - 2013.11.30 05:14:00 -
[81] - Quote
calling EN24 the fox news of eve is insulting to fox news; EN24 is more like the WorldNetDaily of EVE
most people who cry about TMC being "biased" are morons who are upset that a writer made a mistake in an article and misrepresented something about their lowsec/NPC null trash alliance that didn't even respond to the writer, or are upset because an op/ed published there doesn't agree with their own views on what the game should be like, or they're upset about something they read in a GSF CEO update reposted to TMC which is always preceded by text saying "this is /supposed/ to be propaganda so don't cry about it"
either way their opinions are worthless npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1754
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Posted - 2013.11.30 05:18:00 -
[82] - Quote
Jowen Datloran wrote:This is probably the closest you get. Just saying.
i'm dying to hear developments about "Clashes on Caldari Prime quelled by Mordu's Legion" and "Pirate factions express interest in Covert Research Tools" rather than articles that cover actual conflicts between actual players that affect the gameplay of thousands of actual players
because, you know, people care about game lore npc alts have no opinions worth consideration |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
8138
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Posted - 2013.11.30 09:42:00 -
[83] - Quote
I don't think 'real' objectivity is possible in any kind of human communication, given cognitive flaws and the like. One man's objective truth is another man's bias or slander, etc.
When people are confronted with facts they dislike, they find ways to reject them or dismiss them. Most of the 'real news' industry in Freedomland these days is just a function of confirmation bias - folks watch/read stuff that reinforces their preexisting notions about the world, and seems more like entertainment than reportage.
Enjoy my dumb website or don't, I don't really care to argue about 'objectivity'. Someone who wishes to attack the site isn't likely to be reading it anyway, so who cares what they think? vOv
And yeah, the TMC comments are heavily moderated. You can't type like an idiot, use racial or ethnic slurs, or attack the site itself without getting nuked. ~hi~ |
flakeys
Antwerpse Kerels Fidelas Constans
1627
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Posted - 2013.11.30 09:44:00 -
[84] - Quote
MestariBation wrote:Are there any unbiased EVE news site?
Any news site be it about eve or rl is biased.
After all it is written by humans.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Tabra Penken
Nexus Incorporated
12
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Posted - 2013.11.30 10:10:00 -
[85] - Quote
There's people who actually worry if their getting biased or unbiased news about things that take place in a video game? That's funny |
Varius Xeral
Galactic Trade Syndicate
1801
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Posted - 2013.11.30 12:18:00 -
[86] - Quote
What the fuzzy winter gloves guy said. Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
1953
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Posted - 2013.11.30 14:46:00 -
[87] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Isn't there ANYONE with internet spaceship journalistic integrity around hereGÇ+
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1183
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Posted - 2013.11.30 15:51:00 -
[88] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:http://themittani.com/
I like to check out TMC for updates on how much Star Citizen raised, and to see Martini writing articles that are nothing but adds that rehash deals I've seen in places like Slickdeals.
It used to have some nice EVE related articles when it opened, but I guess since nothing is happening in eve anymore, it's all about monetizing the Goons and pushing other games. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8900
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Posted - 2013.11.30 15:59:00 -
[89] - Quote
Sentamon wrote:baltec1 wrote:http://themittani.com/ I like to check out TMC for updates on how much Star Citizen raised, and to see Martini writing articles that are nothing but adds that rehash deals I've seen in places like Slickdeals. It used to have some nice EVE related articles when it opened, but I guess since nothing is happening in eve anymore, it's all about monetizing the Goons and pushing other games.
12 of the last 18 articles are EVE related. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1537
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Posted - 2013.11.30 16:12:00 -
[90] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:MeBiatch wrote:if you are looking for good and current news on eve i would suggest reddit.com/r/eve
thats a good place to start... ahahahahaha no try posting against the grain there and you'll come back in 10 minutes to see your post downvoted into oblivion and autohidden oh and the moderators there are total aspies who believe themselves to be the final authority on what is "relevant" to EVE, which includes deleting posts with certain titles but, strangely enough, copy/pasting entire blog posts, devblogs and TMC articles (all of which are covered by copyright) into self-posts perfectly fine oh well, won't be long until the subreddit is nuked by the admins for just that
you say that because themittani.com broke the rules and got banned from the site. (upvoting scams are not allowed. i think its the only place where the goon blob got nerfed)
and by your definition the moderators at the mittani.com are also douches because they delete posts., copy and paste SOTA's, and think they are the final authority on what is "relevant" to eve. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1537
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Posted - 2013.11.30 16:15:00 -
[91] - Quote
Richard Desturned wrote:calling EN24 the fox news of eve is insulting to fox news; EN24 is more like the WorldNetDaily of EVE
most people who cry about TMC being "biased" are morons who are upset that a writer made a mistake in an article and misrepresented something about their lowsec/NPC null trash alliance that didn't even respond to the writer, or are upset because an op/ed published there doesn't agree with their own views on what the game should be like, or they're upset about something they read in a GSF CEO update reposted to TMC which is always preceded by text saying "this is /supposed/ to be propaganda so don't cry about it"
either way their opinions are worthless
right and that spluge you just wrote does not speak of entitlement or bias at all...
nope not at all.
note one iota.
nope There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1537
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Posted - 2013.11.30 16:18:00 -
[92] - Quote
The Mittani wrote:I don't think 'real' objectivity is possible in any kind of human communication, given cognitive flaws and the like. One man's objective truth is another man's bias or slander, etc.
When people are confronted with facts they dislike, they find ways to reject them or dismiss them. Most of the 'real news' industry in Freedomland these days is just a function of confirmation bias - folks watch/read stuff that reinforces their preexisting notions about the world, and seems more like entertainment than reportage.
Enjoy my dumb website or don't, I don't really care to argue about 'objectivity'. Someone who wishes to attack the site isn't likely to be reading it anyway, so who cares what they think? vOv
And yeah, the TMC comments are heavily moderated. You can't type like an idiot, use racial or ethnic slurs, or attack the site itself without getting nuked.
i respect that. thank you.
oh and i do enjoy reading the site. I just thought it was idiotic that there were those who actually thought there was no slant at all.
they are the sheep and you seem to be the Sheppard. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Ryhss
157
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Posted - 2013.11.30 20:22:00 -
[93] - Quote
Remember, history is written by the victors. I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK" |
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