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Kara Trix
PVE Corporation
30
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Posted - 2013.11.25 15:15:00 -
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Been playing this game since May 2011
I remember the little CCP president rant issue.
But can't see why we need to give any gamer or small group of gamers any influence over this games design.
They absolutely don't speak for me.
I would rather have a REAL customer service relationship with the publishers that I have a voice rather than an Over the Top gamer who is far too interested in their own personal agenda than to promote mine.
REMOVE THIS FEATURE and fix the relationship... Give each player a voice, be it small...it's still their voice!
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Tron 3K
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
167
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Posted - 2013.11.25 15:16:00 -
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Kara Trix wrote:Been playing this game since May 2011
I remember the little CCP president rant issue.
But can't see why we need to give any gamer or small group of gamers any influence over this games design.
They absolutely don't speak for me.
I would rather have a REAL customer service relationship with the publishers that I have a voice rather than an Over the Top gamer who is far too interested in their own personal agenda than to promote mine.
REMOVE THIS FEATURE and fix the relationship... Give each player a voice, be it small...it's still their voice!
Biomass yourself
*editing* since that was somewhat cruel.. Gamemakers don't need to listen to every single person, hell they don't even need to setup a small group that on average probably has everyone's best interest. Them trying to go through everyone's idea or wants and needs is ridiculous.. Again Biomass yourself.. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
490
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Posted - 2013.11.25 15:21:00 -
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you have plenty of voice already "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
42
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Posted - 2013.11.25 15:33:00 -
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Kara Trix wrote: They absolutely don't speak for me.
This is only true if you have never voted for the CSM. |
Sebastor Cane
The Outlet
77
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Posted - 2013.11.25 16:10:00 -
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Basically an old employee of CCP gave a lot of Tech II blueprints to an alliance he was in that gave them a lot of dominance.
There was such a fuss that CCP created the CSM to give the players the illusion that they had some control over the game
The employees name was T20 and Hilmar the CEO of CCP uses his picture for darts practise everyday.
Any questions |
Midnight Firestarter
Anger Management
14
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Posted - 2013.11.25 16:11:00 -
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The CSM in its current format is a crock of ****
70% of the people elected simply send out a Alliance mail and they vote. Its has nothing to do with policies and what 's good they can bring to the game, its all about numbers.
Anyone who says it represents the gaming community, try Biomassing yourself as you are deluded.
CCP would be better to pick 10 Random Active corp CEO's. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
438
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Posted - 2013.11.25 16:12:00 -
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The CSM speaks for the majority so what you are essentially saying is that CCP should listen to you over the majority.
Unless you are a game designed at CCP, this does not hold true. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
Sura Sadiva
Entropic Tactical Crew
716
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Posted - 2013.11.25 16:12:00 -
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CSM was created by CCP after the BoB/Tech2 BPO scandal, as company pubblic relation tools; never been (and never acted) like a playerbase reppresentative. Their role is to bring/promote/advertise company policy and ideas amongst the playerbase. Not the countrary.
With few individuals excpetion, of course (f.i. Hans, but others too).
But in respect of CCP they're mostly a bunch of yesmen; not their fault, is just how the CSM is designed; so it works as intendeed.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
224
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Posted - 2013.11.25 16:14:00 -
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Batelle wrote:you have plenty of voice already
Some might say too much, even. |
Midnight Firestarter
Anger Management
14
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Posted - 2013.11.25 16:16:00 -
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Quote:CSM was created by CCP after the BoB/Tech2 BPO scandal, as company pubblic relation tools; never been (and never acted) like a playerbase reppresentative. Their role is to bring/promote/advertise company policy and ideas amongst the playerbase. Not the countrary.
With few individuals excpetion, of course (f.i. Hans, but others too).
But in respect of CCP they're mostly a bunch of yesmen; not their fault, is just how the CSM is designed; so it works as intendeed.
Not at all but its it current format 1 of the 10 large alliances sends out a eve mail and there almost guaranteed to be elected. Thats not democracy thats a rigged system. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17519
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Posted - 2013.11.25 16:22:00 -
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Midnight Firestarter wrote:Not at all but its it current format 1 of the 10 large alliances sends out a eve mail and there almost guaranteed to be elected. Thats not democracy thats a rigged system. No, that's still a democracy GÇö with a party system, even GÇö only that lots of people stay home on voting day. The only thing that makes that bloc vote guaranteed is the lack of cohesion and interest in other parties. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1485
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Posted - 2013.11.25 16:25:00 -
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Midnight Firestarter wrote:Quote:CSM was created by CCP after the BoB/Tech2 BPO scandal, as company pubblic relation tools; never been (and never acted) like a playerbase reppresentative. Their role is to bring/promote/advertise company policy and ideas amongst the playerbase. Not the countrary.
With few individuals excpetion, of course (f.i. Hans, but others too).
But in respect of CCP they're mostly a bunch of yesmen; not their fault, is just how the CSM is designed; so it works as intendeed. Not at all but its it current format 1 of the 10 large alliances sends out a eve mail and there almost guaranteed to be elected. Thats not democracy thats a rigged system.
It's rigged in favor of majorities? |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
5649
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Posted - 2013.11.25 16:25:00 -
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Midnight Firestarter wrote:Quote:CSM was created by CCP after the BoB/Tech2 BPO scandal, as company pubblic relation tools; never been (and never acted) like a playerbase reppresentative. Their role is to bring/promote/advertise company policy and ideas amongst the playerbase. Not the countrary.
With few individuals excpetion, of course (f.i. Hans, but others too).
But in respect of CCP they're mostly a bunch of yesmen; not their fault, is just how the CSM is designed; so it works as intendeed. Not at all but its it current format 1 of the 10 large alliances sends out a eve mail and there almost guaranteed to be elected. Thats not democracy thats a rigged system. No that is pretty much exactly what democracy is. Everyone gets to vote, people organizing as voting blocks to futher shared political beliefs, the ones who got the most votes win and the losers come up with excuses why it really wasn't fair to them. |
Sipphakta en Gravonere
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
414
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Posted - 2013.11.25 16:39:00 -
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Midnight Firestarter wrote:Not at all but its it current format 1 of the 10 large alliances sends out a eve mail and there almost guaranteed to be elected. Thats not democracy thats a rigged system.
Isn't that exactly like a democracy? You find people with the same ideals and values and band together for a common goal. It's not the elected CSM's fault that you can't find a majority for your candidate. I say tomato, you say tomaCCP BAN ALL TOMATOES THEY ARE HARASSING ME I WANT TOMATO FREE HIGHSEC. -- TheGunslinger42 "**** goons, they only kill stuff that can't shoot back, they aren't killing us fast enough, they missed my ****** Ibis so they failed, CCP ban goons they shot my ship." -- Distracted |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6401
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Posted - 2013.11.25 16:40:00 -
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Midnight Firestarter wrote:Quote:CSM was created by CCP after the BoB/Tech2 BPO scandal, as company pubblic relation tools; never been (and never acted) like a playerbase reppresentative. Their role is to bring/promote/advertise company policy and ideas amongst the playerbase. Not the countrary.
With few individuals excpetion, of course (f.i. Hans, but others too).
But in respect of CCP they're mostly a bunch of yesmen; not their fault, is just how the CSM is designed; so it works as intendeed. Not at all but its it current format 1 of the 10 large alliances sends out a eve mail and there almost guaranteed to be elected. Thats not democracy thats a rigged system. I bet you're one of those people who thinks that compulsory voting is actually a good idea. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |
atpc
Daktaklakpak. Red Coat Conspiracy
25
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Posted - 2013.11.25 16:42:00 -
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Its funny because people complain about Alliances sending out mails for votes to their alliance. But the highsec populace is much higher than low/null sec. It's just that Highsec doesn't care enough to vote. Then complains for the rest of the year when they arent represented. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2403
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Posted - 2013.11.25 16:55:00 -
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Kara Trix wrote:Been playing this game since May 2011
I remember the little CCP president rant issue.
But can't see why we need to give any gamer or small group of gamers any influence over this games design.
They absolutely don't speak for me.
I would rather have a REAL customer service relationship with the publishers that I have a voice rather than an Over the Top gamer who is far too interested in their own personal agenda than to promote mine.
REMOVE THIS FEATURE and fix the relationship... Give each player a voice, be it small...it's still their voice!
I said this in a podcast, and I'll say it again here.
Interceptors have nullification because of something that a player suggested.
Interdictor's bubble launcher functions the way it does now because of something a player suggested (that a few of us on the CSM then brought to CCP's attention, incidentally)
If you have an idea, visit the features & ideas suggestion and post it. And incidentally, CCP is taking player suggestions for future personal deployable structures right now, in that very forum.
And frankly, devs are all over the forums posting, especially near patch time when they're looking for feedback. See that "Dev Posts" button at the top of the forum? Try it out sometime.
Basically, if you think there's "no relationship", I think it's your fault.
e: And incidentally, highsec is better represented on the council than pretty much ever before, thanks to Mike Azariah. If you have issues you want brought to CCP, you could also evemail him directly. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Kara Trix
PVE Corporation
34
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:01:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:The CSM speaks for the majority so what you are essentially saying is that CCP should listen to you over the majority.
Unless you are a game designer at CCP, this does not hold true.
That is EXACTLY what I am saying.
"IF" CCP wants to communicate to the players at all?
They should listen to each player account, not a small group of players.
Players should not create content, they are not game designers.
CSM players are not game designers and only voice their personal opinions of the game as I do. If you think for one second that ANY CSM member speaks for the majority you are delusional at best. They ONLY speak for their personal interests and the very small group of people they play with and their interests if at all.
If the CSM has any say at all (which is unlikely) it is a farce that they speak for the people and CCP should remove them and replace them with a standard customer service inquiry form with the following information on it.
1) Do you like the new feature "X" we added? If so, why?. If not, why? 2) We are considering three new features. Of these new features which would like most to see and why? 3) We've read the forums and would like to know what you think about "X" Suggestion? Unlikely!
Etc....
Anything else is stupid politics... CCP Devs can read the forums just like everyone else... there is no need for a middle man that has more voice than me or you. |
Mangala Solaris
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
750
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:20:00 -
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So if Devs are now acting like those time wasters in supermarkets taking surveys and spending all day to follow up on feedback, when will they develop the game?
Would you like the same from your real life elected officials? Spend all day kissing babies and as a result not (trying) to run a country? Mangala Undocked |
Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4712
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:25:00 -
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Wow, was f++r ein Hirni... |
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Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4712
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:27:00 -
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The real question is why the OP displays such a huge amount of hatred. |
Kara Trix
PVE Corporation
35
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:27:00 -
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Mangala Solaris wrote:So if Devs are now acting like those time wasters in supermarkets taking surveys and spending all day to follow up on feedback, when will they develop the game?
Would you like the same from your real life elected officials? Spend all day kissing babies and as a result not (trying) to run a country?
Yes I want Developers to waste their time talking to me about what I want..... very much yes!
I believe they can be creative and do it in a way that doesn't waste their time and still manages to allow ALL players PVE and PVP to have a say in changes, features, balance, etc.
A simple way would be just a log in questioner with only multiple choice responses and then tally up percentages of each question asked.
The dev could see that 80% of the people liked or disliked an item or feature. |
Kara Trix
PVE Corporation
35
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:29:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:The real question is why the OP displays such a huge amount of hatred.
Actually, I love everyone... even your avatar pic. |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
720
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:29:00 -
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Two slight corrections to be made.
1) CSM tries to represent all the players because we want the game to be better. That being said I am thenominal Hisec person but I have heard well reasoned arguments in defence of hisec from other members of the council.
2) We are elected by a majority of the people WHO VOTE.
Mynnna is right, though. If you feel that your voice is not being heard, write to one or all of us. Although I have been known to yell at my monitor I find direct communication to be more functional than that.
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 |
Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4712
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:30:00 -
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Kara Trix wrote:Solstice Project wrote:The real question is why the OP displays such a huge amount of hatred. Actually, I love everyone... even your avatar pic. L++gner. |
mynnna
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2406
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:31:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:The real question is why the OP displays such a huge amount of hatred.
Note name of corporation - PVE Corporation. A cursory examination of the OP's eveboard shows exceptionally high standings with various highsec corporations. This suggests that the OP is a highsec carebear type who does not feel represented.
We've demonstrated that this isn't actually the case, that anyone can make their voice heard on the forums, that the devs often solicit player feedback directly, and that a CSM member is actually himself of highsec and is open to contact.
At this point, if the OP still feels they are not represented, I propose that it's because they're the type who finds it easier to whine than to do anything productive. Either that or they're simply trolling - can't ever discount that possibility. Member of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal |
Solstice Project
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4712
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:34:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Solstice Project wrote:The real question is why the OP displays such a huge amount of hatred. Note name of corporation - PVE Corporation. A cursory examination of the OP's eveboard shows exceptionally high standings with various highsec corporations. This suggests that the OP is a highsec carebear type who does not feel represented. We've demonstrated that this isn't actually the case, that anyone can make their voice heard on the forums, that the devs often solicit player feedback directly, and that a CSM member is actually himself of highsec and is open to contact. At this point, if the OP still feels they are not represented, I propose that it's because they're the type who finds it easier to whine than to do anything productive. Either that or they're simply trolling - can't ever discount that possibility. Posts like these display the reason why i voted for you. ^_^ |
Kara Trix
PVE Corporation
35
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:36:00 -
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mynnna wrote:Solstice Project wrote:The real question is why the OP displays such a huge amount of hatred. Note name of corporation - PVE Corporation. A cursory examination of the OP's eveboard shows exceptionally high standings with various highsec corporations. This suggests that the OP is a highsec carebear type who does not feel represented. We've demonstrated that this isn't actually the case, that anyone can make their voice heard on the forums, that the devs often solicit player feedback directly, and that a CSM member is actually himself of highsec and is open to contact. At this point, if the OP still feels they are not represented, I propose that it's because they're the type who finds it easier to whine than to do anything productive. Either that or they're simply trolling - can't ever discount that possibility.
Perfect example of my point.
Why in the world would I want to talk with you, when I should be talking with a Dev rather than a filter. A Company needs no elected voice.
Yes, this corp player is a PVE account. I have 7 accounts with 16 active characters, 4 of which are PVP Low Sec only, 3 in Null.
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
1979
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:38:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Kara Trix wrote:Solstice Project wrote:The real question is why the OP displays such a huge amount of hatred. Actually, I love everyone... even your avatar pic. L++gner.
Now, now. Everyone loves your avatar. Even OP.
What OP apparently doesn't love is peace, quiet, and the utter lack of OP's shrill, keening e-voice complaining incessantly about every little thing. Point Blank Alliance [DAKKA] is currently recruiting corporations to join in our lowsec piracy operations. For more information, please add the in game channel 'weflyrifters' or speak to a DAKKA member today. |
Mai Khumm
Carbon Circle
502
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Posted - 2013.11.25 17:39:00 -
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Midnight Firestarter wrote:Quote:CSM was created by CCP after the BoB/Tech2 BPO scandal, as company pubblic relation tools; never been (and never acted) like a playerbase reppresentative. Their role is to bring/promote/advertise company policy and ideas amongst the playerbase. Not the countrary.
With few individuals excpetion, of course (f.i. Hans, but others too).
But in respect of CCP they're mostly a bunch of yesmen; not their fault, is just how the CSM is designed; so it works as intendeed. Not at all but its it current format 1 of the 10 large alliances sends out a eve mail and there almost guaranteed to be elected. Thats not democracy thats a rigged system. We all know this... and as CCP will state over and over again.
If you have an issue, bring it up to the CSM. They'll let us know if it's a problem. *insert witty saying here* |
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