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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
598
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Posted - 2013.11.21 14:26:00 -
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and the nighthawk still shows the ferox hull until you click on it then its the drake and you still haven't added drone cert to phantasm Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name AB's need a buff-á like a big mass reduction ..... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
438
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Posted - 2013.11.21 14:29:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Batelle wrote:ISIS = good
Certificates/ship masteries = slightly shinier version of the previously terrible and generally useless certificate system. Like the previous certificate system, the requirements were designed by someone who has never played eve or ever trained a skill.
-My gallente combat pilot has mastery5 for the Obelisk despite only having racial freighter to 3. -My 60m SP tengu specialized pilot has zero mastery because of a lack of gunnery skills. -Energy grid upgrades 5, which is pretty much a useless skill 99.5% of the time is required for mastery 5 of nearly every ship. -Amarr drone specialization 5 is required for all drone ship level 5 masteries. No one in their right mind has ever used an amarr drone that required this skill, much less trained it to 5
The result is that like the previous certificate system, the vast majority of high-sp players will be running around with low levels of mastery because they know which skills they need already, and which they don't. The literal 'gold-standard' of 'train everything to 5, no matter how useless it is!' is still the norm.
So yeah, it'll do its intended function of telling you what skills to train for what ship, but like before it does an absolutely miserable job of actually measuring your skills for any ship. Mastery 5 means you have maxed everything that is tied to a ship. It's not for the faint of heart as it requires lots of skills at 5. What you want to look at are Masteries 1-4
well, its not as bad as I made it sound. Many of the even level 5 masteries are very reasonable, and it sounds like many things are being addressed. The Lachesis with its 3-7-5 slot layout and traditional use with shield roaming gangs made me gag though, its one of the more glaring examples.
I also acknowledge that its about design philosophy rather than you not being knowledgeable about eve. I made a similar post after the certificate dev blog and your response was pretty much the same. Just please continue to be responsive to players on this one. Fighting is Magic |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
590
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Posted - 2013.11.21 14:56:00 -
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What exactly does that thing do other than confuse new players the same way the old certs did? There's no leveling system in EvE so stop trying to add one.
When you get "mastery" to 5 for a ship does it make a dinging sound with lots of swirly stars and glitter around your ship to show you maxed it out?...if not it should it'll be a big hit with the morons who don't like to read guides. |
Eaphod
Interstellar Hitchhiker's Holding Corp
20
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Posted - 2013.11.21 14:59:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:When you get "mastery" to 5 for a ship does it make a dinging sound with lots of swirly stars and glitter around your ship to show you maxed it out?
Do I have your permission to post this in the Features & Ideas section? This sounds FAABULOUUUUUS!
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CCP RubberBAND
CCP Engineering Corp CCP Engineering Alliance
258
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Posted - 2013.11.21 15:17:00 -
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Lair Osen wrote:
While you do that can you please fix the ISIS Sleipnir picture, currently it still shows the cyclone hull.
Nothing to do with the ISIS. The updated hulls for certain ships seem to have caused an issue but clearing the cache fixes it. Feel free to poke me on: Twitter |
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CCP Ytterbium
C C P C C P Alliance
3056
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Posted - 2013.11.21 16:06:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:What exactly does that thing do other than confuse new players the same way the old certs did? There's no leveling system in EvE so stop trying to add one.
When you get "mastery" to 5 for a ship does it make a dinging sound with lots of swirly stars and glitter around your ship to show you maxed it out?...if not it should it'll be a big hit with the morons who don't like to read guides.
Because obviously, there is nothing wrong by going to third party websites and guides to figure out basic information for EVE gameplay right? Right?
Yes, YES, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE NOW! The main difficulty in EVE should come from figuring how to interact with its UI, not the actual game play behind it. Let's just get rid of it all entirely and let's play in MS-DOS with slash commands like in the good ol' days!
> You enter Jita in your ship /warp Jita 4-4 > INCORRECT CMD "warp" /warpto Jita 4-4 > UNKWN CMD PARAMETER "Jita 4-4" > You see a catalyst approaching /warp to Jita IV - 4 > SPECIFY CMD PARAMETER /WARPTO SYSTEM - MOON - STATION > You see a catalyst flashing RED /warp to JIRA IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant > WARP IN PROGRESS. > Your ship is in structure due to Catalyst superb hit, wrecking ur face for [ZOMGXXLBBQDMG] > WARP IN PROGRESS.. > You cannot warp away as you are warp scrambled > Your ship explodes.
Warning: this post may contain traces of sarcasm, troll and nuts. We cannot be held responsible for hair loss, intense flaming, rage, mouth drool or other fluids being expelled out of the reader body in a totally uncontrolled fashion. Please use with caution.
Anyway, back to work. |
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Xercodo
Xovoni Astronautical Manufacturing and Engineering
2935
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Posted - 2013.11.21 16:55:00 -
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Your liberal use of sarcasm in so many of your forum posts makes your Frenchman status even Frenchier...
...And it is awesome. The Drake is a Lie |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
590
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:06:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:What exactly does that thing do other than confuse new players the same way the old certs did? There's no leveling system in EvE so stop trying to add one.
When you get "mastery" to 5 for a ship does it make a dinging sound with lots of swirly stars and glitter around your ship to show you maxed it out?...if not it should it'll be a big hit with the morons who don't like to read guides. Because obviously, there is nothing wrong by going to third party websites and guides to figure out basic information for EVE gameplay right? Right? Yes, YES, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE NOW! The main difficulty in EVE should come from figuring how to interact with its UI, not the actual game play behind it. Let's just get rid of it all entirely and let's play in MS-DOS with slash commands like in the good ol' days! > You enter Jita in your ship /warp Jita 4-4 > INCORRECT CMD "warp" /warpto Jita 4-4 > UNKWN CMD PARAMETER "Jita 4-4" > You see a catalyst approaching /warp to Jita IV - 4 > SPECIFY CMD PARAMETER /WARPTO SYSTEM - MOON - STATION > You see a catalyst flashing RED /warp to JIRA IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant > WARP IN PROGRESS. > Your ship is in structure due to Catalyst superb hit, wrecking ur face for [ZOMGXXLBBQDMG] > WARP IN PROGRESS.. > You cannot warp away as you are warp scrambled > Your ship explodes. Warning: this post may contain traces of sarcasm, troll and nuts. We cannot be held responsible for hair loss, intense flaming, rage, mouth drool or other fluids being expelled out of the reader body in a totally uncontrolled fashion. Please use with caution.Anyway, back to work.
Well, I won't use any traces of anything but facts and what I said has nothing to do with the ship control UI. That information is covered in the tutorial and EvE isn't a text based MUD.
Evelopedia is an official source of information and is universally in ruin and the worst place you could look for information. EveUni's guides are BY FAR more accurate and updated. Those guides are 3rd party. Just bite the bullet and change that little button at the top of your website to say "UniGuides" and link it to their site so new players get correct information if that is your true goal.
Your Isis thing and certificates are also wrong because there is no set way to "skill up" for mastery in certain ships. It's a fancy UI to show off ships in a tree system that copies other games leveling systems. Period.
Now go get your shinebox cupcake and polish the turds you created rather than making excuses why the new turds stink just as bad as the old abandoned ones.
...and no, I don't want to update the wrong-o-pedia for free. I prefer to get paid for my work. |
Kivena
EVE University Ivy League
20
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:22:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:EveUni's guides are BY FAR more accurate and updated. Those guides are 3rd party. Just bite the bullet and change that little button at the top of your website to say "UniGuides" and link it to their site so new players get correct information if that is your true goal.
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...and no, I don't want to update the wrong-o-pedia for free. I prefer to get paid for my work. You should help keep our right-o-pedia updated. Oh wait, that's unpaid too. Never mind then. |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
590
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Posted - 2013.11.21 17:43:00 -
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Kivena wrote:Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:EveUni's guides are BY FAR more accurate and updated. Those guides are 3rd party. Just bite the bullet and change that little button at the top of your website to say "UniGuides" and link it to their site so new players get correct information if that is your true goal.
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...and no, I don't want to update the wrong-o-pedia for free. I prefer to get paid for my work. You should help keep our right-o-pedia updated. Oh wait, that's unpaid too. Never mind then.
In your case I'll take isk for the job and I promise the Marauder page will look better than THIS. But really who needs lots of words? Imbeciles don't like lots of words so we should encourage CCP to make more dummy tools with bad information for them to follow so they get the impression they are masters of ships. (at least until they find out the core skills were far more important and some of the stuff they trained to 5 is utterly useless).
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
2268
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Posted - 2013.11.21 19:25:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Yes, YES, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE NOW! The main difficulty in EVE should come from figuring how to interact with its UI, not the actual game play behind it. Let's just get rid of it all entirely and let's play in MS-DOS with slash commands like in the good ol' days!
> You enter Jita in your ship /warp Jita 4-4 > INCORRECT CMD "warp" /warpto Jita 4-4 > UNKWN CMD PARAMETER "Jita 4-4" > You see a catalyst approaching /warp to Jita IV - 4 > SPECIFY CMD PARAMETER /WARPTO SYSTEM - MOON - STATION > You see a catalyst flashing RED /warp to JIRA IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant > WARP IN PROGRESS. > Your ship is in structure due to Catalyst superb hit, wrecking ur face for [ZOMGXXLBBQDMG] > WARP IN PROGRESS.. > You cannot warp away as you are warp scrambled > Your ship explodes. Some things really date a person.
West of House You are standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door. There is a small mailbox here. > open mailbox Opening the small mailbox reveals a leaflet. > ... > south You have moved into a dark place. It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue. > |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1563
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Posted - 2013.11.21 20:21:00 -
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I just love having Mastery lvl 4 for ships I cannot even fly :) This is not a signature. |
Batelle
Komm susser Tod
442
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Posted - 2013.11.21 20:58:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote: Some things really date a person.
West of House You are standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door. There is a small mailbox here. > open mailbox Opening the small mailbox reveals a leaflet. >
>eat leaflet >eat egg >jump in pile of leaves Why can't I delete this signature? |
LtCol Laurentius
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
146
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Posted - 2013.11.21 21:22:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:...and no, I don't want to update the wrong-o-pedia for free. I prefer to get paid for my work.
In cases like this particular specimen, I thank you - THANK YOU - CCP, for the ability to block.
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cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
349
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Posted - 2013.11.21 22:43:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Batelle wrote:I like how none of the gallente ships have shield skills as a requirement. Not even the industrials, the lachesis, the Ishtar, any of the battlecruisers, or the navy domi or hyperion. Many gallente ships have seen use primarily as shield tanked ships, and are still viable in that configuration for certain roles.
Add shield upgrades 4 and tactical shield manipulation 4 to the shield reinforcement certificate, or at least add it for certain ships that occasionally use it.
CCP has done a lot to make armor more viable in the meta, but its a bit silly to pretend that gallente ships are all armor all the time. This has never been the case and is still not the case.
Conversley, if you look at the machariel, its slot layout is very amenable to an armor tank. Its considered a shield ship because of its popularity with full shield tank and full damage mods. Armor certificates should be in the mastery list for the Mach. Again, as expressed from the Dev Blog , the Mastery / Certificate system isn't meant to be totally accurate to all cases. No system can without becoming terribly convoluted. It's here to provide a guideline for various hulls. The only way all cases can be addressed is if we allow you, the players to come up with your own corporation Certificates.
+1 for player made Corporate certificates! |
BeanBagKing
Aperture Harmonics No Holes Barred
250
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Posted - 2013.11.22 00:55:00 -
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I really like ISIS, but two improvements I'd really like to see...
About half of it is covered up by my chat windows and everything else. Make it so we can scroll out farther and drag it around the screen so we can see everything.
Change the color on either the ships you can fly or the ones you can't. They're both basically different shades of light blue. I feel like the ones you can fly should be lit up green or something. |
fuer0n
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
107
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Posted - 2013.11.22 01:02:00 -
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i still blame PJ for starting all this crap off. wanker. play the game to have fun ffs not collect crap worthless badges. |
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