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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8646
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:53:00 -
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Carebears Countdown 5-4-3-2-1 wrote:Pretty much the reason I quit PI entirely when this change was announced.
CCP are like every other company it seems. They start off strong with a lot of fresh ideas, but eventually become the old man in the room. We need some new hip kids to lead them properly.
What we need is more of CCP ignoring bears. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Johnny Marzetti
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1281
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Posted - 2013.11.19 22:55:00 -
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Torigoma wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Torigoma wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:If you had all your factory stuff on a planet, why would you have NOT taken steps to secure it for yourself?
You failed to take it, someone else did. You have pretty much abdicated any right you had to use of that poco, then. Don't like it? Blow up the one that's there right now. Please actually read the thread before posting stupid stuff. Like I said, I already have my stuff out of High Sec, I'm not complaining about that.. I'm trying to figure out why people are coping out of a massive opportunity. Well, I can answer that right now. Because it's funny. And there is also a possibility to profit from it, and a possibility to get good fights from it. There is no reason not to. Yes there is. Like I said, you can make MORE profit by lower taxes and attracting people to your System. And more fights from those trying to take a system. If Taxes are high, the Only systems that are going to see much action are those that are strategic, close to a Hub or Low Sec. But a System with low taxes and lots of traffic is going to be profitable no matter where it is.
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Professor Clio
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
229
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:04:00 -
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Torigoma wrote:Professor Clio wrote:You can do PI in any number of RvB owned system for a grand total of 10% tax once you trained the new tax skill which is exactly the same rate as the old NPC tax rate. Nothing changes for you, we just get to fund more explosions. Win-Win, right?
Edit: if you want to find us, we're in Josameto, Liekuri, Poinen, Otela and a few other systems all conveniently located within a few jumps of jita RvB taxes I have no problem with (though like I've said before, a PI License would be a nice option), Its the 70-80% ones that get me.
Currently our POCOs are set up to neutral = 5%, +5 = 3% and +10 = 1% tax. That was done for internal reasons having to do with alt corps affiliated with RvB to a degree or another, but if you wish to negotiate a positive standing in exchange for a flat fee, we can probably arrange that. |
Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
120
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:05:00 -
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or you can turn the reasoning, slovly taking ower the PI industry, is simple economics, they want you gone from that world to give them exclusive rights to it and their allies...
What you can do, is look to what you can produce and use CC to awoid the poco, it wont work on several things, but for example, you could build robotics on a plasma for fuel parts, and never need to land anything, or use the poco...
Hope it help ! |
Darius JOHNSON
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
263
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:06:00 -
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On behalf of the Goonswarm Federation I'd like to apologize for this oversight. I told the GoonWaffe Economic Council that we should ask the forums for their enlightened opinion on how we should manage our pocos and it seems they didn't listen. I'm going to have them fired as soon as I finish unseating The Mittani. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
3640
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:09:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Carebears Countdown 5-4-3-2-1 wrote:Pretty much the reason I quit PI entirely when this change was announced.
CCP are like every other company it seems. They start off strong with a lot of fresh ideas, but eventually become the old man in the room. We need some new hip kids to lead them properly.
What we need is more of CCP ignoring bears.
Would you prefer they tried to make them into something else?
I have seen those games where newcomers who come in cold, that is, not invited by a friend who can send a contingent of fighters/ships/teleport/etc to "save" them from no-lifes at the entry point who wait all day to kill everything that moves, and they spend a few minutes there, and then realize "Oh, I don't already have a bunch of friends to join with and I'll spend all day getting killed for someone else's enjoyment? Crap game".
I know I know. For many people, making Eve become "that game" is their game, and when the End of Life is announced for the game someday they'll high five each other.
Not everybody likes to rely on being in a pack to do every little thing in a game. We enjoy company in real life. |
Darius JOHNSON
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
263
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:11:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:baltec1 wrote:Carebears Countdown 5-4-3-2-1 wrote:Pretty much the reason I quit PI entirely when this change was announced.
CCP are like every other company it seems. They start off strong with a lot of fresh ideas, but eventually become the old man in the room. We need some new hip kids to lead them properly.
What we need is more of CCP ignoring bears. Would you prefer they tried to make them into something else? I have seen those games where newcomers who come in cold, that is, not invited by a friend who can send a contingent of fighters/ships/teleport/etc to "save" them from no-lifes at the entry point who wait all day to kill everything that moves, and they spend a few minutes there, and then realize "Oh, I don't already have a bunch of friends to join with and I'll spend all day getting killed for someone else's enjoyment? Crap game". I know I know. For many people, making Eve become "that game" is their game, and when the End of Life is announced for the game someday they'll high five each other. Not everybody likes to rely on being in a pack to do every little thing in a game. We enjoy company in real life.
make some friends |
Protovarious
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:44:00 -
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Darius JOHNSON wrote:On behalf of the Goonswarm Federation I'd like to apologize for this oversight. I told the GoonWaffe Economic Council that we should ask the forums for their enlightened opinion on how we should manage our pocos and it seems they didn't listen. I'm going to have them fired as soon as I finish unseating The Mittani. You heard it here first, folks. |
Andrea Keuvo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:48:00 -
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There are only so many entities with the manpower to grind POCOs using subcaps, ofc this was going to happen. Anyone from Goons want to say how they got CCP to make a nice new revenue stream for them a 'feature' of an expansion? |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
707
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:49:00 -
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I heard that a few friendly capsuleers have put the taxes at 2% at some temperates around Jita, surely you should check this out before claiming that some taxes are stupid. G££ <= Me |
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Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
377
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:53:00 -
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Andrea Keuvo wrote:There are only so many entities with the manpower to grind POCOs using subcaps, ofc this was going to happen. Anyone from Goons want to say how they got CCP to make a nice new revenue stream for them a 'feature' of an expansion?
They owe us for all the publicity we bring to the game.
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Protovarious
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:57:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Andrea Keuvo wrote:There are only so many entities with the manpower to grind POCOs using subcaps, ofc this was going to happen. Anyone from Goons want to say how they got CCP to make a nice new revenue stream for them a 'feature' of an expansion? They owe us for all the publicity we bring to ourselves. Fixed that for ya, partner. |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
378
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Posted - 2013.11.19 23:59:00 -
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Protovarious wrote:Rhes wrote:Andrea Keuvo wrote:There are only so many entities with the manpower to grind POCOs using subcaps, ofc this was going to happen. Anyone from Goons want to say how they got CCP to make a nice new revenue stream for them a 'feature' of an expansion? They owe us for all the publicity we bring to ourselves. Fixed that for ya, partner.
Same thing. Eve is Goons. |
Protovarious
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:01:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Protovarious wrote:Rhes wrote:Andrea Keuvo wrote:There are only so many entities with the manpower to grind POCOs using subcaps, ofc this was going to happen. Anyone from Goons want to say how they got CCP to make a nice new revenue stream for them a 'feature' of an expansion? They owe us for all the publicity we bring to ourselves. Fixed that for ya, partner. Same thing. Eve is Goons. Funny. I remember BoB saying the same thing. |
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
339
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:04:00 -
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Taxes? What are these POCO Taxes you speak of?
I'm not aware of any such taxes.
Why the hell are you doing PI in hi sec anyway?
fully optimized, I can rake in about 70M in PI products everyday per character, though I tend to pack it down into P3s to save myself the trips to trade hubs. Less optimized I can still make about 50M if I haven't reset my extractor planets recently.
Still not sure what this POCO tax nonsense is.
You K-Space bears are silly. You are paying PI taxes with the worst possible yield. |
Darius JOHNSON
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
265
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:04:00 -
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Andrea Keuvo wrote:There are only so many entities with the manpower to grind POCOs using subcaps, ofc this was going to happen. Anyone from Goons want to say how they got CCP to make a nice new revenue stream for them a 'feature' of an expansion?
We pay them back in post quality. This explains why you're relegated to the salt mines. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8649
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:05:00 -
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Andrea Keuvo wrote:There are only so many entities with the manpower to grind POCOs using subcaps, ofc this was going to happen. Anyone from Goons want to say how they got CCP to make a nice new revenue stream for them a 'feature' of an expansion?
Once again we take on high sec and it just rolls over. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Torigoma
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:08:00 -
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Himnos Altar wrote:Taxes? What are these POCO Taxes you speak of?
I'm not aware of any such taxes.
Why the hell are you doing PI in hi sec anyway?
fully optimized, I can rake in about 70M in PI products everyday per character, though I tend to pack it down into P3s to save myself the trips to trade hubs. Less optimized I can still make about 50M if I haven't reset my extractor planets recently and the area is being stripped down to 100 units per extractor.
Still not sure what this POCO tax nonsense is.
You K-Space bears are silly. You are paying PI taxes with the worst possible yield. Yield does not matter, Factory worlds are where the Isk is. |
Paul Otichoda
Electric Sun Associates
65
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:11:00 -
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Andrea Keuvo wrote:There are only so many entities with the manpower to grind POCOs using subcaps, ofc this was going to happen. Anyone from Goons want to say how they got CCP to make a nice new revenue stream for them a 'feature' of an expansion?
yeah this update has just been another way to beat up the little guy, solo players and small corps benefit nothing from POCO's and instead lose everything from high-sec PI. This only effects the big guys. |
Cameron Zero
Red Federation
224
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:12:00 -
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Darius JOHNSON wrote:On behalf of the Goonswarm Federation I'd like to apologize for this oversight. I told the GoonWaffe Economic Council that we should ask the forums for their enlightened opinion on how we should manage our pocos and it seems they didn't listen. I'm going to have them fired as soon as I finish unseating The Mittani.
*laugh* "I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. GǪ" |
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Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
9
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:12:00 -
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There should be more gratitude towards our effort of freeing honest, hard working PI producers from the corrupt, inefficient and quite frankly dictatorial Interbus. Where did your hard isk go when you paid tax to Interbus? Nowhere! Vanished into a deep hole never to return.
You didn't have a choice. Now you do. And now your hard earned isk will instead be used to create new content, stimulating the economy and making EVE a better game. |
Darius JOHNSON
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
267
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:16:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Andrea Keuvo wrote:There are only so many entities with the manpower to grind POCOs using subcaps, ofc this was going to happen. Anyone from Goons want to say how they got CCP to make a nice new revenue stream for them a 'feature' of an expansion? yeah this update has just been another way to beat up the little guy, solo players and small corps benefit nothing from POCO's and instead lose everything from high-sec PI. This only effects the big guys. baltec1 wrote:Andrea Keuvo wrote:There are only so many entities with the manpower to grind POCOs using subcaps, ofc this was going to happen. Anyone from Goons want to say how they got CCP to make a nice new revenue stream for them a 'feature' of an expansion? Once again we take on high sec and it just rolls over. Well we don't have the fleets of warships/members logging/co-ordination to have a chance at taking down a POCO. Even if we did no-one could agree on who the POCO went to.
You must have missed the fact that this is a multiplayer game |
Protovarious
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:22:00 -
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Paul Otichoda wrote:Andrea Keuvo wrote:There are only so many entities with the manpower to grind POCOs using subcaps, ofc this was going to happen. Anyone from Goons want to say how they got CCP to make a nice new revenue stream for them a 'feature' of an expansion? yeah this update has just been another way to beat up the little guy, solo players and small corps benefit nothing from POCO's and instead lose everything from high-sec PI. This only effects the big guys. There is nothing to be gained from High-Sec PI in the first place.
My God, I thought I was Eve's biggest carebear but, seriously?
PI in High-Sec?
*mind officially blown*
/end sarcasm.
OK, the real deal here isn't that "Mr. Big Bad Publord put POCOs on my moolah." It's the fact that taxed above 10%, PI becomes a fruitless venture in highsec unless you do P0 to P3 on one planet. For that, I sympathize.
Now go find somewhere else to do PI and HTFU. Failing that, put up your own POCOs of find a WH. Seriously. High-tax POCOs are the FOTM and things will be alright as soon as people stop shedding all the QQ.
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Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
120
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:22:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Andrea Keuvo wrote:There are only so many entities with the manpower to grind POCOs using subcaps, ofc this was going to happen. Anyone from Goons want to say how they got CCP to make a nice new revenue stream for them a 'feature' of an expansion? Once again we take on high sec and it just rolls over.
Yes you win, if you cant beat em, bore em ! ;) |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5181
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:24:00 -
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Fey Ivory wrote:baltec1 wrote:Andrea Keuvo wrote:There are only so many entities with the manpower to grind POCOs using subcaps, ofc this was going to happen. Anyone from Goons want to say how they got CCP to make a nice new revenue stream for them a 'feature' of an expansion? Once again we take on high sec and it just rolls over. Yes you win, if you cant beat em, bore em ! ;) No Fun Allowed There are no goons. The goons' 0.0 dream is over.
"Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action." ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Vena Saris
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:25:00 -
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I just need to remind everyone, people are mad about the taxes being 5% gsf 5%npc corp. Default Interbus is 10%.
Literally nothing has changed except for people who are -10 to goonswarm. |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
378
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:34:00 -
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Vena Saris wrote:I just need to remind everyone, people are mad about the taxes being 5% gsf 5%npc corp. Default Interbus is 10%.
Literally nothing has changed except for people who are -10 to goonswarm.
Well that and the fact that now pubbie taxes are going to fund the next Burn Jita.
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Protovarious
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:35:00 -
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Vena Saris wrote:I just need to remind everyone, people are mad about the taxes being 5% gsf 5%npc corp. Default Interbus is 10%.
Literally nothing has changed except for people who are -10 to goonswarm. Sooooo...let me see if I have this right.
Pay Interbus, a magical fairy corp that makes isk go poof from the game when you give it to them...
Or give Goons money...
Hey, I'm all for taking advantage of stupid people, but I think you'll find a nice population of capsuleers that would just assume give their isk to the Interbus fairy.
Would do my heart good, just sayin. |
Protovarious
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:38:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Vena Saris wrote:I just need to remind everyone, people are mad about the taxes being 5% gsf 5%npc corp. Default Interbus is 10%.
Literally nothing has changed except for people who are -10 to goonswarm. Well that and the fact that now pubbie taxes are going to fund the next Burn Jita. How can that be? Mittens just convinced you all that you had to take all this space in Fountain and Delve just to survive.
Publords gotta pub, I suppose. |
Kuni Oichi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
150
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Posted - 2013.11.20 00:54:00 -
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Protovarious wrote: There is nothing to be gained from High-Sec PI in the first place.
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The RvBee customs authority has made considerable isk already today and we're barely started on releasing High Sec pubbies from the chains of an impersonal corporation taking their money. |
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