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Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
125
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Posted - 2011.11.18 15:28:00 -
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Even Seleene, who made the current EHP buff while working for CCP, has stated the buff was too much of an increase. |
SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
233
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Posted - 2011.11.18 15:39:00 -
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Roboticus420 wrote:they are not used to roll around in lol, if people do that, then it is inevitable that they are predictable/stupid & with time they lose there Supers as they get baited and counter hotdropped becuase of there predictableness.
I remember a time where the CFC had to literally choose which system to fight in (Read : choose which systems had cynojammers) in order to avoid being steamrolled by supercapitals.
Check PL's EVE kill page about ships & weapons used. I checked the last 6 months, there is at least the Nyx (With 500 to 1500 kills per month, usually) in the first 10 top used ships, sometimes the Aeon is 10th/9th.
Don't tell us this is only carrier/dread kills. It's clearly steamrolling on subcapfleets. |
Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
125
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Posted - 2011.11.18 15:55:00 -
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SMT008 wrote:Roboticus420 wrote:they are not used to roll around in lol, if people do that, then it is inevitable that they are predictable/stupid & with time they lose there Supers as they get baited and counter hotdropped becuase of there predictableness. I remember a time where the CFC had to literally choose which system to fight in (Read : choose which systems had cynojammers) in order to avoid being steamrolled by supercapitals. Check PL's EVE kill page about ships & weapons used. I checked the last 6 months, there is at least the Nyx (With 500 to 1500 kills per month, usually) in the first 10 top used ships, sometimes the Aeon is 10th/9th. Don't tell us this is only carrier/dread kills. It's clearly steamrolling on subcapfleets.
From a grunt in MM's perspective and not reflective of MV or MM:
We tried many times to bring subcap fleets into system engagements back in Tribute/Vale, only to face hundreds of supers instead of another subcap fleet. I can recall at least two times (JCV I believe and ZLZ... I suck at remembering system names) to where we had amassed a decent subcap fleet and even several supers ready on standby, only to be told to stand down and let it go- even with even numbers the ratio of supers to subcaps was so high that we couldn't stand a chance.
We lost the north, yes in part to becoming complacent and with many members inactive, but the largest factor was that even the "big and mighty NC" could not match the number of supers the DRF could muster.
Many just raised their hands in the air and said screw it... it's suicide to even bother. |
keuel
Crimoria Co Vera Cruz Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.11.18 16:01:00 -
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[Troll_mode_on] How about CCP just delete all Supers from game and reimbursse all pilots with SPs and ISK. Or we can just roll back supers to the EHP level they were before (Scs with the double of the EHP of a carrier and titans with the double of EHP of the Dreads), then keep the drones the way they are, FBs as well. Nerf the titan-¦s DD a bit more so it doesn-¦t instapop Supers or remove them completly from the game[/Troll_mode_off]
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Nikuno
Atomic Heroes The G0dfathers
6
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Posted - 2011.11.18 16:08:00 -
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Quote:CCP Tallest does a minimal no-real-change to hybrids in the name of gradual balancing.
Yeh right, because buffing EVERYTHING ABOUT HYBRIDS except range is definitely a "no-real-change".
Here's what's being buffed atm :
Gallente Speed (+ 10m/s on base speed for almost every ship) +5% agility on every blastership. Tracking (+20%) Cap usage (-30%) Blaster damage (+5%) Railgun damage (+10%) Ammo size (-50%, more ammo in cargohold) 5s reload on hybrids PWG/CPU needs (-15%)
Sure, that's a "no-real-change". You get bigger guns because of reduced fitting requirements. You get more tracking, more damage, 5s reloads so you can match to the situation, you're faster, you're more agile. What else would you want ? It's still bazillion times better than any hybrid/gallente buffs we've seen in the last 2 years.[/quote]
A bazillion x zero is still zero. There's little to no hybrid use now, and there'll be the same after. |
Naughty Fox
Ever Flow Northern Coalition.
2
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Posted - 2011.11.18 16:31:00 -
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Vincent Gaines wrote:SMT008 wrote:Roboticus420 wrote:they are not used to roll around in lol, if people do that, then it is inevitable that they are predictable/stupid & with time they lose there Supers as they get baited and counter hotdropped becuase of there predictableness. I remember a time where the CFC had to literally choose which system to fight in (Read : choose which systems had cynojammers) in order to avoid being steamrolled by supercapitals. Check PL's EVE kill page about ships & weapons used. I checked the last 6 months, there is at least the Nyx (With 500 to 1500 kills per month, usually) in the first 10 top used ships, sometimes the Aeon is 10th/9th. Don't tell us this is only carrier/dread kills. It's clearly steamrolling on subcapfleets. From a grunt in MM's perspective and not reflective of MV or MM: We tried many times to bring subcap fleets into system engagements back in Tribute/Vale, only to face hundreds of supers instead of another subcap fleet. I can recall at least two times (JCV I believe and ZLZ... I suck at remembering system names) to where we had amassed a decent subcap fleet and even several supers ready on standby, only to be told to stand down and let it go- even with even numbers the ratio of supers to subcaps was so high that we couldn't stand a chance. We lost the north, yes in part to becoming complacent and with many members inactive, but the largest factor was that even the "big and mighty NC" could not match the number of supers the DRF could muster. Many just raised their hands in the air and said screw it... it's suicide to even bother.
Yup Original NC lost tribute due to being inactive, alot of the NC where selling there Supers off wich yet again allowed DRF to steamroller them, DRF attacked NC & friends for the GFs, hoping for good gritty,duke em out supercapital fights. As 1 power rises another falls. NC could not match Supercapital numbers, that is there own fualt for selling them off. The combination of having inactive & a small Supercapital fleet makes an alliance either unable to contend with the Big boys, or more often than not always on the defencive.
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Vincent Gaines
Macabre Votum Morsus Mihi
125
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Posted - 2011.11.18 16:57:00 -
[397] - Quote
Naughty Fox wrote: Yup Original NC lost tribute due to being inactive, alot of the NC where selling there Supers off wich yet again allowed DRF to steamroller them, DRF attacked NC & friends for the GFs, hoping for good gritty,duke em out supercapital fights. As 1 power rises another falls. NC could not match Supercapital numbers, that is there own fualt for selling them off. The combination of having inactive & a small Supercapital fleet makes an alliance either unable to contend with the Big boys, or more often than not always on the defencive.
I can't disagree with you much there.
Most of us weren't even in the loop on supercap production or what was happening. I know MM wanted good fights also, it started that way.
I wouldn't say WE were inactive. I can't speak for RAGE or anyone east of Tribute. But no we couldn't match them. MM had the largest number of supers in the old NC, I think that people's perception of how many the NC at a whole was wrong. I've come to believe we had about 20% of the supers that we were thought to have.
When you count in the number of PL, Raiden, Tri, xdeathx, and INIT supers there was nowhere near an even number.
As such there was no fight and that's why things went down as they did. To be honest I don't think anyone I know is bitter about it happening, as you said alliances rise and fall. |
MastahFR
ANZAC ALLIANCE RAZOR Alliance
3
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Posted - 2011.11.18 17:55:00 -
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When does the Hel will stop s u c k i n g balls, please CCP ? |
Mauryce
Sheeps in Arms Fraggle Rock.
1
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Posted - 2011.11.18 18:46:00 -
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Subcaps blobs will be extreme OP and versatile after 29/11.
With subcaps blob you can reinforce towers, sbus, stations, kill supers, dread and carriers in very stupid safe way, etc, and risking littles amounts of isk.
For balance and role task:
1-Make online towers (in low and 0.0, not in Imperio), sbus, tcus, hubs and station (sov stuff) only targeteable by caps and supers. 2-Keep Pos modules vulnerables for subcaps.
Little changes with biggest impact on sov-wars
S! |
Charles Edisson
Isk Incorporated
7
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Posted - 2011.11.18 19:41:00 -
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Getting slightly better with 30 and 35 but untill it's back to 40 and 45 fighter/bombers the nerf has gone too far.
You do realise just how simple it is for stealth bombers to totaly defang SC. AT the ABSOLUTE VERY least can you alter the tracking/optimal range of fighters having them orbit their target so closely just makes it far to easy to bombers to get a perfect strike.
The corp hangers arent even big enough to carry the second type of fighter/bomber so we cant re suply on the move.
I think CCP should offer a one time offer to put the ship in a highsec outpost with refining that you have best standings with so they can be reprocessed at the very least. |
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xxxak
Intergalactic Syndicate Nulli Secunda
76
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Posted - 2011.11.18 19:52:00 -
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Charles Edisson wrote:Getting slightly better with 30 and 35 but untill it's back to 40 and 45 fighter/bombers the nerf has gone too far.
You do realise just how simple it is for stealth bombers to totaly defang SC.
The corp hangers arent even big enough to carry the second type of fighter/bomber so we cant re suply on the move.
I think CCP should offer a one time offer to put the ship in a highsec outpost with refining that you have best standings with so they can be reprocessed at the very least.
This really. The nerfs to supercaps will cause more super pilots to join the largest alliances who can properly "support" their deployment, further concentrating firepower/wealth in EVE. The end result will be fewer "fun" fights, and will hurt EVE in the long run. |
xxxak
Intergalactic Syndicate Nulli Secunda
76
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Posted - 2011.11.18 19:53:00 -
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Charles Edisson wrote:Getting slightly better with 30 and 35 but untill it's back to 40 and 45 fighter/bombers the nerf has gone too far.
You do realise just how simple it is for stealth bombers to totaly defang SC.
The corp hangers arent even big enough to carry the second type of fighter/bomber so we cant re suply on the move.
I think CCP should offer a one time offer to put the ship in a highsec outpost with refining that you have best standings with so they can be reprocessed at the very least.
This really. The nerfs to supercaps will cause more super pilots to join the largest alliances who can properly "support" their deployment, further concentrating firepower/wealth in EVE. The end result will be fewer "fun" fights, and will hurt EVE in the long run. |
Charles Edisson
Isk Incorporated
7
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:03:00 -
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xxxak wrote:Charles Edisson wrote:Getting slightly better with 30 and 35 but untill it's back to 40 and 45 fighter/bombers the nerf has gone too far.
You do realise just how simple it is for stealth bombers to totaly defang SC.
The corp hangers arent even big enough to carry the second type of fighter/bomber so we cant re suply on the move.
I think CCP should offer a one time offer to put the ship in a highsec outpost with refining that you have best standings with so they can be reprocessed at the very least. This really.
To prove the point about just how many people thing the change has gone too far look to see how many SC BPOs are up on contract and the prices they are being sold for, most prices are at cost at best. I'd even be prepaired to loose another 10% HP to get the drone bay size back.
This patch feels very knee jerk, I imagine CCPs designers/Balancers are suffering with unrealistic delines that are being forced on them |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1680
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:18:00 -
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SC bpos have been glutted for ages ever since nyx bpcs were going for 2b+ and EVERYONE bought a bpo |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1680
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:18:00 -
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an ME2 nyx bpo couldn't be sold for NPC cost well before this was announced |
Charles Edisson
Isk Incorporated
7
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:20:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:an ME2 nyx bpo couldn't be sold for NPC cost well before this was announced
Possibly but were they going for 2/3 NPC price ?
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Phunnestyle
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:28:00 -
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Charles Edisson wrote:Getting slightly better with 30 and 35 but untill it's back to 40 and 45 fighter/bombers the nerf has gone too far.
You do realise just how simple it is for stealth bombers to totaly defang SC. AT the ABSOLUTE VERY least can you alter the tracking/optimal range of fighters having them orbit their target so closely just makes it far to easy to bombers to get a perfect strike.
The corp hangers arent even big enough to carry the second type of fighter/bomber so we cant re suply on the move.
I think CCP should offer a one time offer to put the ship in a highsec outpost with refining that you have best standings with so they can be reprocessed at the very least.
Here here give us a full compliment of Fighters & fighter bombers, this winter patch is insulting.CCP plz reply |
Phunnestyle
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:31:00 -
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Roboticus420 wrote:Phunnestyle wrote:[quote=Phunnestyle]Ok heres what CCP have done right & you should be commended for it:
+ Pinging aggro timers,yes commit to the fight. + Limit Supercarrier to Fighters/Fighter Bombers
This is what CCP have done wrong, but never the less it is a small price to pay in consideration to other mistakes & is there by aggreable to accept:
+/- Reduction of HP on suppercarriers is basically for the haters, all that needed changing for at least the time being was the above 2 + points.
Now this is what CCP have done drastically wrong & needs changing immediately:
-Drone bays on suppercarriers need to be able to carry an optimal amount of both Fighters & Fighter Bombers. So in other words at least 20 Fighters & 20 Fighterbombers. This is common sence & logical to all but the most stubborn of fools. While reducing Supers flexibility, you have overstepped your mark & made Supers limited in offencive ploys. For with this rediculious implimentation Supers will as has been said again & again, only be used after the winter patch with Fighters & target painters in the Mids. They will only use Fighters for the most obvious of reasons. If they are to be intercepted by a Subcap fleet, it is primary among all else that they be at least able to give a fight back. So Fighter Bombers take & indeffinate back seat due to this patch failure. CCP need to acknowledge this failure as soon as possible & as stubborn as we know you are,you need to sort it out & inform us that you wish to sort this stupidity out. This you MUST do as you obviously don't want to give back the skill points intwined with the learning of the Fighter Bombers skill.
CCP PLZ READ ABOVE, LISTEN TO ABOVE & DO ABOVE
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1680
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:34:00 -
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Charles Edisson wrote:Weaselior wrote:an ME2 nyx bpo couldn't be sold for NPC cost well before this was announced Possibly but were they going for 2/3 NPC price ?
Probably. They were hideously overbought to satisfy a temporary surge in demand (from when they went to useless -> useful) that ended when the tons of people who could fly an SC and could afford one pre-dominion but wasn't going to waste their money on the pre-dominion piece of crap, got theirs. Now, there's a much lower level of demand as you've only got new people skilling into one rather than a huge amount of people trying to get one at once. Since people bought bpos to deal with the surge, there's now a huge glut.
Goonwaffe focused solely on SCs for a long time for our corp building program to catch up but we went all-titan a while ago because that's where the demand was once the SC surge was over. |
Innominate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:35:00 -
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Quote: New drone bay capacities will be: 30 Fighters and/or Fighter Bombers for the Aeon, Revenant and Wyvern; 35 Fighters and/or Fighter Bombers for the Nyx and Hel.
So, take as a given that all supercarriers will carry 20 bombers. This leaves the Aeon/Wyvern room to carry 10 fighters, and the Nyx/Hel room for 15. The nyx gets a 25% damage bonus to fighters on top of that, fielding effectively 18.75 fighters. Under these changes the nyx is able to do 87.5% more damage with fighters than the Aeon/Wyvern, this is more fighter damage than the Aeon/Wyvern generally do currently.
It makes sense for the lower EHP Nyx/Hel to do more damage than the Aeon/Wyvern. The 50% effective fighter damage bonus from the drone bay size seems more than enough for fighters. The Nyx doing nearly double the fighter damage of the Aeon/Wyvern is ridiculous.
Perhaps modify the nyxes damage bonus to apply to fighter bombers only? |
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KuntaKinte Turbonigger
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:39:00 -
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Innominate wrote:Quote: New drone bay capacities will be: 30 Fighters and/or Fighter Bombers for the Aeon, Revenant and Wyvern; 35 Fighters and/or Fighter Bombers for the Nyx and Hel.
So, take as a given that all supercarriers will carry 20 bombers. This leaves the Aeon/Wyvern room to carry 10 fighters, and the Nyx/Hel room for 15. The nyx gets a 25% damage bonus to fighters on top of that, fielding effectively 18.75 fighters. Under these changes the nyx is able to do 87.5% more damage with fighters than the Aeon/Wyvern, this is more fighter damage than the Aeon/Wyvern generally do currently. It makes sense for the lower EHP Nyx/Hel to do more damage than the Aeon/Wyvern. The 50% effective fighter damage bonus from the drone bay size seems more than enough for fighters. The Nyx doing nearly double the fighter damage of the Aeon/Wyvern is ridiculous. Perhaps modify the nyxes damage bonus to apply to fighter bombers only?
I fully agree with this suggestion. The Nyx is ridiculously overpowered in its current rendition at this time. |
Venustas Blue
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:43:00 -
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Innominate wrote:Quote: New drone bay capacities will be: 30 Fighters and/or Fighter Bombers for the Aeon, Revenant and Wyvern; 35 Fighters and/or Fighter Bombers for the Nyx and Hel.
So, take as a given that all supercarriers will carry 20 bombers. This leaves the Aeon/Wyvern room to carry 10 fighters, and the Nyx/Hel room for 15. The nyx gets a 25% damage bonus to fighters on top of that, fielding effectively 18.75 fighters. Under these changes the nyx is able to do 87.5% more damage with fighters than the Aeon/Wyvern, this is more fighter damage than the Aeon/Wyvern generally do currently. It makes sense for the lower EHP Nyx/Hel to do more damage than the Aeon/Wyvern. The 50% effective fighter damage bonus from the drone bay size seems more than enough for fighters. The Nyx doing nearly double the fighter damage of the Aeon/Wyvern is ridiculous. Perhaps modify the nyxes damage bonus to apply to fighter bombers only?
Not intended to be offensive to you Goony,but CCP you cannot expect to calm peoples anger by eventually making room for a few more Fighters/fighter Bombers when you know your in the wrong,every Super Pilot out there knows your in the wrong, there should be a full compliment of 20 Fighters & 20 Fighter bombers anyway, do not think you can mess us about by thinking that this insult will sufice. Phunnestyle is right, listen to him and damn well do it,stop making such a hash of this. |
Terrorina
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
4
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:44:00 -
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Innominate wrote:Quote: New drone bay capacities will be: 30 Fighters and/or Fighter Bombers for the Aeon, Revenant and Wyvern; 35 Fighters and/or Fighter Bombers for the Nyx and Hel.
So, take as a given that all supercarriers will carry 20 bombers. This leaves the Aeon/Wyvern room to carry 10 fighters, and the Nyx/Hel room for 15. The nyx gets a 25% damage bonus to fighters on top of that, fielding effectively 18.75 fighters. Under these changes the nyx is able to do 87.5% more damage with fighters than the Aeon/Wyvern, this is more fighter damage than the Aeon/Wyvern generally do currently. It makes sense for the lower EHP Nyx/Hel to do more damage than the Aeon/Wyvern. The 50% effective fighter damage bonus from the drone bay size seems more than enough for fighters. The Nyx doing nearly double the fighter damage of the Aeon/Wyvern is ridiculous. Perhaps modify the nyxes damage bonus to apply to fighter bombers only?
Too lazy to do the math but if you're numbers are right, I very much agree that the difference in DPS is way too high. If Nyx's weren't already the super-carrier of choice they certainly will be now. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1680
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:47:00 -
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Venustas Blue wrote: Not intended to be offensive to you Goony,but CCP you cannot expect to calm peoples anger by eventually making room for a few more Fighters/fighter Bombers when you know your in the wrong,every Super Pilot out there knows your in the wrong, there should be a full compliment of 20 Fighters & 20 Fighter bombers anyway, do not think you can mess us about by thinking that this insult will sufice. Phunnestyle is right, listen to him and damn well do it,stop making such a hash of this.
we're interested in fixing an actual problem rather than listen to this bad whining please don't involve our point in your temper tantrum
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pmchem
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
68
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:50:00 -
[415] - Quote
Innominate wrote:Quote: New drone bay capacities will be: 30 Fighters and/or Fighter Bombers for the Aeon, Revenant and Wyvern; 35 Fighters and/or Fighter Bombers for the Nyx and Hel.
So, take as a given that all supercarriers will carry 20 bombers. This leaves the Aeon/Wyvern room to carry 10 fighters, and the Nyx/Hel room for 15. The nyx gets a 25% damage bonus to fighters on top of that, fielding effectively 18.75 fighters. Under these changes the nyx is able to do 87.5% more damage with fighters than the Aeon/Wyvern, this is more fighter damage than the Aeon/Wyvern generally do currently. It makes sense for the lower EHP Nyx/Hel to do more damage than the Aeon/Wyvern. The 50% effective fighter damage bonus from the drone bay size seems more than enough for fighters. The Nyx doing nearly double the fighter damage of the Aeon/Wyvern is ridiculous. Perhaps modify the nyxes damage bonus to apply to fighter bombers only?
Looks like a CCP oversight, this imbalance is so bad. Nyx already gets a damagebonus and is most popular SC and will be even more imba if this change goes through. |
Phunnestyle
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2011.11.18 20:57:00 -
[416] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Venustas Blue wrote: Not intended to be offensive to you Goony,but CCP you cannot expect to calm peoples anger by eventually making room for a few more Fighters/fighter Bombers when you know your in the wrong,every Super Pilot out there knows your in the wrong, there should be a full compliment of 20 Fighters & 20 Fighter bombers anyway, do not think you can mess us about by thinking that this insult will sufice. Phunnestyle is right, listen to him and damn well do it,stop making such a hash of this.
we're interested in fixing an actual problem rather than listen to this bad whining please don't involve our point in your temper tantrum
This would be a signifficant change, Goons actually saying something constructive & not nonscence WOW FACTOR. People whine for a reason,Goons whined for ages & ages that Supers where OP & they couldn't effectively rule through lagg tactics & mass blobs,whine whine whine all the time,and yes they where right to whine about many of the aspects involved, every1 knows and agrees with that, so really you should stum your gob & stop telling others to stop whining about something that is clearly,totally & utterly wrong, you have no right. It seems to me to be lets say, slightly Ironic. (sarcasm) |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1681
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Posted - 2011.11.18 21:18:00 -
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Phunnestyle wrote: This would be a signifficant change, Goons actually saying something constructive & not nonscence WOW FACTOR. People whine for a reason,Goons whined for ages & ages that Supers where OP & they couldn't effectively rule through lagg tactics & mass blobs,whine whine whine all the time,and yes they where right to whine about many of the aspects involved, every1 knows and agrees with that, so really you should stum your gob & stop telling others to stop whining about something that is clearly,totally & utterly wrong, you have no right. It seems to me to be lets say, slightly Ironic. (sarcasm)
yes, but our complaints are legible and well thought out rather than being something a third grader would be embarassed to have typed
i mean look at this man |
Charles Edisson
Isk Incorporated
11
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Posted - 2011.11.18 21:50:00 -
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I'm baffled as to why the drone bay has been increased by 5.
There were two possible oppinions on the drone bay, either 25 was enough to have a flight and some spares and it should have been left as was OR the drone bay was too small for the purpose of the ship and it should have been increased to accomodate a flight of each type of fighter/Bomber.
To increase the drone bay by enough to accomodate 5 more drones acnowledges that the drone bay was too small for the purpose of the ship but does not resolve the problem.
Fighters/Bombers need a massive buff so they cant be all killed in 15 seconds by half a dozen stealth bombers. |
Phunnestyle
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2011.11.18 21:50:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Phunnestyle wrote: This would be a signifficant change, Goons actually saying something constructive & not nonscence WOW FACTOR. People whine for a reason,Goons whined for ages & ages that Supers where OP & they couldn't effectively rule through lagg tactics & mass blobs,whine whine whine all the time,and yes they where right to whine about many of the aspects involved, every1 knows and agrees with that, so really you should stum your gob & stop telling others to stop whining about something that is clearly,totally & utterly wrong, you have no right. It seems to me to be lets say, slightly Ironic. (sarcasm)
yes, but our complaints are legible and well thought out rather than being something a third grader would be embarassed to have typed i mean look at this man
I assumed you would have nothing that held water to say back, was correct ofc,but it surprised me that you tried to respond anyway. Yes some of what you had to say was legit,but an aweful lot & I mean soo much of what Goons cooked up was total and utter nonescence, Goons are well known for chatting absolute rubbish, never gets old. That quote is 100% true it astounds you to see facts infront of your very nose I know. |
Innominate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2011.11.18 22:01:00 -
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Innominate wrote:Quote: New drone bay capacities will be: 30 Fighters and/or Fighter Bombers for the Aeon, Revenant and Wyvern; 35 Fighters and/or Fighter Bombers for the Nyx and Hel.
So, take as a given that all supercarriers will carry 20 bombers. This leaves the Aeon/Wyvern room to carry 10 fighters, and the Nyx/Hel room for 15. The nyx gets a 25% damage bonus to fighters on top of that, fielding effectively 18.75 fighters. Under these changes the nyx is able to do 87.5% more damage with fighters than the Aeon/Wyvern, this is more fighter damage than the Aeon/Wyvern generally do currently. It makes sense for the lower EHP Nyx/Hel to do more damage than the Aeon/Wyvern. The 50% effective fighter damage bonus from the drone bay size seems more than enough for fighters. The Nyx doing nearly double the fighter damage of the Aeon/Wyvern is ridiculous. Perhaps modify the nyxes damage bonus to apply to fighter bombers only?
lol self quoting.
I feel the need to elaborate and point out that the nyx's doing 90% more fighter damage than the wyvern/aeon is not an issue of supercaps vs subcaps, or whether they're being nerfed too hard or not hard enough. This is purely an issue of the supercarriers balance among themselves.
The 5/10 fighters situation that existed prior to the current numbers is even worse, with the nyx getting 125% the fighter dps of the aeon/wyvern.
Whatever the nerf ends up being, the nyx doing 90%(or more) more fighter damage than the aeon/wyvern is broken. |
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