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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
585
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Posted - 2012.02.02 10:22:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:What is your stance on Lyris' independent bid for a CSM seat? Ahhh yes I was curious about this as well. I keep hearing reports the strat this year was for Goons not to split but to rally behind Mittens alone. Lyris' campaign is, well, interesting to say the least. And even though I take everything a Goon says with a grain of salt I figure its just better to ask the man himself instead of speculating.... Mittens, do you foresee a threat to the Chairman's seat that would require you to rally the whole bloc to your side instead of splitting and grabbing two travelling seats like before? Or simply enjoy breaking some records? I can tell you straight up that Lyris poses no threat to The Mittani's re-election. I'm more curious of what his opinion of it is. If Lyris gets elected, it wont be on goon votes. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
869
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Posted - 2012.02.02 15:25:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:What is your stance on Lyris' independent bid for a CSM seat? Ahhh yes I was curious about this as well. I keep hearing reports the strat this year was for Goons not to split but to rally behind Mittens alone. Lyris' campaign is, well, interesting to say the least. And even though I take everything a Goon says with a grain of salt I figure its just better to ask the man himself instead of speculating.... Mittens, do you foresee a threat to the Chairman's seat that would require you to rally the whole bloc to your side instead of splitting and grabbing two travelling seats like before? Or simply enjoy breaking some records? I can tell you straight up that Lyris poses no threat to The Mittani's re-election. I'm more curious of what his opinion of it is. If Lyris gets elected, it wont be on goon votes.
Naaahh, I know Lyris isn't a threat to The Mittani. I meant threat from a non-Goon. |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
250
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Posted - 2012.02.02 15:48:00 -
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With the reduced seats having multiple goons might be wierd. Was thinking it would be fun to vote in goons across the board for all 7 seats. Wonder if there is enough beer in iceland for CCP to handle that. Threads like this generally result in anything positive.
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2798
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Posted - 2012.02.02 19:43:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:What is your stance on Lyris' independent bid for a CSM seat? Ahhh yes I was curious about this as well. I keep hearing reports the strat this year was for Goons not to split but to rally behind Mittens alone. Lyris' campaign is, well, interesting to say the least. And even though I take everything a Goon says with a grain of salt I figure its just better to ask the man himself instead of speculating.... Mittens, do you foresee a threat to the Chairman's seat that would require you to rally the whole bloc to your side instead of splitting and grabbing two travelling seats like before? Or simply enjoy breaking some records?
Realtalk: I got elected to chair with only 1750 GSF votes in CSM6; the rest of my 5365 votes came from non-GSF sources, likely due to name recognition and being something of a name. When CSM6 was elected, a huge chunk of the playerbase thought the CSM was a waste of time and powerless. After my tenure as Chair, most of the screeching has changed tone to 'CSM has too much power', so I suspect that people who appreciate what we've done will vote even harder for me in CSM7.
tl;dr is basically guessing how many votes I can actually muster from the non-GSF public; I'd like to get an impressive number above 5365 in order to demonstrate an outright mandate over and beyond my previous 'more votes than anyone in the csm's history' showing.
Re: Lyris, there are always independent goon candidates, they just don't have the formal backing of Goonfleet.com and don't aim for goon votes. I don't think it's actually necessary to stack the council with GSF voices, since I'm something of a persuasive guy, the CSM doesn't 'vote', and most null reps view the game through a similar lens. The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
870
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Posted - 2012.02.02 19:59:00 -
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The Mittani wrote: Realtalk: I got elected to chair with only 1750 GSF votes in CSM6; the rest of my 5365 votes came from non-GSF sources, likely due to name recognition and being something of a name. When CSM6 was elected, a huge chunk of the playerbase thought the CSM was a waste of time and powerless. After my tenure as Chair, most of the screeching has changed tone to 'CSM has too much power', so I suspect that people who appreciate what we've done will vote even harder for me in CSM7.
tl;dr is basically guessing how many votes I can actually muster from the non-GSF public; I'd like to get an impressive number above 5365 in order to demonstrate an outright mandate over and beyond my previous 'more votes than anyone in the csm's history' showing.
Re: Lyris, there are always independent goon candidates, they just don't have the formal backing of Goonfleet.com and don't aim for goon votes. I don't think it's actually necessary to stack the council with GSF voices, since I'm something of a persuasive guy, the CSM doesn't 'vote', and most null reps view the game through a similar lens.
Enlightening. Thanks! |
None ofthe Above
9
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Posted - 2012.02.02 19:59:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:
let's see, i'm me, you're you
Mintchip? LOL
The Mittani wrote: i think i win this round of life
If you say so. You've done quite well for you self, no question.
The real question is whether you are the best person to lead the CSM forward. While you clearly have your strengths, other options should be considered.
Tired of the current CSM? Vote for me, I am None ofthe Above!
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
870
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Posted - 2012.02.02 20:05:00 -
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None ofthe Above wrote:The Mittani wrote:
let's see, i'm me, you're you
Mintchip? LOL
But is he evil? or SO evil? |
None ofthe Above
9
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Posted - 2012.02.02 20:15:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:None ofthe Above wrote: By this I'd say you aren't even reading the forums.
Not going to bother stating your positions until after the candidacy period FINISHES? Well glad to see you taking this all very seriously.
By this I'd say you aren't even reading the CSM election procedures. There are multiple stages. First, you submit paperwork to CCP. They must vet you. Than they announce a list of candidates to be placed on the ballot. Those candidates must than gain the 100 signatures needed to become finalized candidates. After the final list of candidates is published, there is than another 7 days before voting begins. This gives Mittens 3 weeks to campaign after the candidacy period but before polls close. Well glad to see you taking your trolling very seriously.
I do. Thank you very much for noticing.
I interpreted his comments as waiting for serious threads after the "final list of candidates" is published. Perhaps you are right that he meant after the candidates are vetted, but that's not an obvious way to read that.
I think my observation is still valid. Its a common tactic in "front-runners" to shut down communication and debate, and I don't think we should let that happen.
Tired of the current CSM? Vote for me, I am None ofthe Above!
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Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
37
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Posted - 2012.02.02 23:42:00 -
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I have three votes. What is the best way to spend them to ensure the next CSM is as good as this one? |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2843
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Posted - 2012.02.02 23:43:00 -
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Ispia Jaydrath wrote:I have three votes. What is the best way to spend them to ensure the next CSM is as good as this one?
Vote for me. More votes = more mandate = more power.
vOv
ofc, every candidate will tell you to vote for them, so make up your own mind. The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
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Typherian
Legio Invicta Many Reckless Corps
5
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Posted - 2012.02.03 01:15:00 -
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Hell I'm a former BOB-*** and I'm voting for mittani. Only things I think really need fixing have already been stated a billion times over. Just gotta be sure to keep CCP going the way they are going instead of meandering back onto their road to oblivion via barbies and the like and all will be swell. Don't care bout what the goons do in nullsec what the CSM has been doing for eve is whats important.
EDIT: This may have already been asked but reading this whole thread would make my eyes hurt. I'm not really sure blasters need any more buffing. They are pretty nasty with all the Null changes. I do on the other hand think railguns still suck. Do we know if they are getting specific buffs or will it continue as changes to hybrids overall? |
Typherian
Legio Invicta Many Reckless Corps
5
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Posted - 2012.02.03 01:25:00 -
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wtf forums making me double post and quote myself. Hopefully the forums eat this damned thing. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.02.03 01:25:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Vote for me. More votes = more mandate = more power.
vOv
ofc, every candidate will tell you to vote for them, so make up your own mind. Seconding this post. Follow this man's advice, you'll be thankful you did! |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
245
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Posted - 2012.02.03 02:54:00 -
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The Mittani wrote: .....When CSM6 was elected, a huge chunk of the playerbase thought the CSM was a waste of time and powerless. After my tenure as Chair, most of the screeching has changed tone to 'CSM has too much power', ....
I don't recall anyone saying that recently. I think you complained that CCP was listening to csm 5. But after that there was very few who thought ccp was listening to csm too much. In fact, your saying that of csm 5 may have been the only time anyone ever complained CSM had too much power.
I think the concerns are still that CSM is a pr stunt for ccp. The "emergency summit" where you attempted damage control for ccp and your "defense of incarna" definitely increased that perception. But alas it wasn't enough and people kept unsubbing. So ccp had to actually work on their product and hence we get crucible.
Yes CSM 6 did seem to eventually come around and encourage ccp to work on EVE. CSM6 was ridiculously late in the game but it did eventually happen. So IGÇÖm glad you all finally came around.
The other screeching has to do with CSM 6 now just giving their own personal opinions behind the closed door of the nda. Most of these personal opinions never got the support of players via assembly hall. Did *anything* CSM 6 said in the minutes get an assembly hall vote?
So when we get the minutes and read you guys recommending things no one even heard of, let alone supported I think they are like "yeah whatever we have nothing to do with any of this crap."
Now if you mean that csm has *in-game* power because of the increased nda information you are privy to, then yeah a bit of concern was expressed. I myself raised that issue, but really no one seemed to care. Oh well.
If you guys were so powerfull the forums wouldn't eat so many posts. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2871
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Posted - 2012.02.03 03:35:00 -
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You're one of the screechers, of course; you screeched back when I ran for CSM6, and you're still screeching.
But hey, at least you're not in ~The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION~ anymore (tildes mine, actual corp name otherwise, no troll) so maybe someone could accidentally take your posts seriously. The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
597
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Posted - 2012.02.03 05:52:00 -
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Typherian wrote:Hell I'm a former BOB-*** and I'm voting for mittani. Only things I think really need fixing have already been stated a billion times over. Just gotta be sure to keep CCP going the way they are going instead of meandering back onto their road to oblivion via barbies and the like and all will be swell. Don't care bout what the goons do in nullsec what the CSM has been doing for eve is whats important.
EDIT: This may have already been asked but reading this whole thread would make my eyes hurt. I'm not really sure blasters need any more buffing. They are pretty nasty with all the Null changes. I do on the other hand think railguns still suck. Do we know if they are getting specific buffs or will it continue as changes to hybrids overall?
I fly gallente a whole lot and completely agree. I honestly considered blasters very well balanced before the null change. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
245
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Posted - 2012.02.03 06:12:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:You're one of the screechers, of course; you screeched back when I ran for CSM6, and you're still screeching.
But hey, at least you're not in ~The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION~ anymore (tildes mine, actual corp name otherwise, no troll) so maybe someone could accidentally take your posts seriously.
Yeah whatever. What I said is true. You know it. So you didn't/can't take issue with any particular point I made.
I'm certainly not screeching that csm6 has too much power over ccp. lol.
You were the one screeching to your alliance that ccp is listening to csm 5. You can try to deny it but the internet remembers this sort of thing.
I'm also not entirely unhappy with you guys/csm6 so no reason to get upset.
And what is the problem with my old corp? Your lazier than I am retiring before 30 and all. I can't believe someone from goose swarm is saying they can't take my posts seriously because of my corp. ffs! Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
871
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Posted - 2012.02.03 06:47:00 -
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Cearain wrote: And what is the problem with my old corp? Your lazier than I am retiring before 30 and all. I can't believe someone from goose swarm is saying they can't take my posts seriously because of my corp. ffs!
You know you're probably giving him a woodie right now, Cearain. He loves hearing this stuff. |
Steel Heid
Risk Breakers C0NVICTED
0
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Posted - 2012.02.03 20:43:00 -
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Regarding the issue of supercap proliferation, what are your views regarding the various proposals of introducing a new class of heavy bombers, using citadel torps and/or heavy 'doomsday' bombs, instead of direct nerfing or changing mechanics? Ideas such as this mainly. Advantages would be:
- it adds new content to the game, new stuff to build and blob up - it's a more natural way from a RP/mechanic/whatever point of view to say "in response to this [...] , a new weapon was developed", rather than "your super works like this, and now it doesn't" - which means supercap owners won't be able to complain about their stuff getting nerfed. Hey, your super is just as powerfull as it used to be. You can still drop 30 titans at will... |
Adolf Hilmar
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.02.05 10:10:00 -
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As a nullsec resident deeply involved in the EVE endgame, I strongly believe CCP management is the greatest danger to my gameplay. Therefore I will be voting all three of my accounts for The Mittani, King of Space. He is the only candidate with a proven track record of thwarting CCP's terrible plans. I hope my support will give him an even larger cudgel to beat CCP in CSM7.
-Adolf Hilmar, concerned voter |
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Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
64
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Posted - 2012.02.05 18:03:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:Amusingly, the release of the minutes didn't see much action itt, so I assume you all loved them! Well, some people post on the comments thread of the devblog, and others on the related thread on Jita Park instead of ITT.
The Mittani wrote:I got elected to chair with only 1750 GSF votes in CSM6; the rest of my 5365 votes came from non-GSF sources, How do you know this? |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
874
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Posted - 2012.02.05 21:24:00 -
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Che Biko wrote:The Mittani wrote:I got elected to chair with only 1750 GSF votes in CSM6; the rest of my 5365 votes came from non-GSF sources, How do you know this?
Because he know's what he's doing. When you have an alliance full of *enough* sheep (not saying every Goon is incapable of thinking for themselves), its pretty easy to command a specific number of them to vote one way, and the others to vote the rest.
Mittens has the capability to cause GSF to either vote completely for himself, or to divide their votes between other candidates.
The 1750 votes was probably by design.
As for guaranteeing the other 3500 votes, that was a coordinated work with the Clusterfuck Coalition, containing leaders of other alliances with equally high compliance rates when giving out vote orders.
To win an election in EvE, you can't just "throw your hat" into the ring and pray for good results. The winning candidates, year after year, are those that have taken the time to guarantee their own voter base, and usually know how many votes they will get, and from where, long before the talking heads make their predictions or the first vote is ever cast.
That's the perennial challenge for the non-0.0 candidates. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
43
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Posted - 2012.02.05 21:26:00 -
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Adolf Hilmar wrote:As a nullsec resident deeply involved in the EVE endgame, I strongly believe CCP management is the greatest danger to my gameplay. Therefore I will be voting all three of my accounts for The Mittani, King of Space. He is the only candidate with a proven track record of thwarting CCP's terrible plans. I hope my support will give him an even larger cudgel to beat CCP in CSM7.
-Adolf Hilmar, concerned voter This is beautiful.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
2777
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Posted - 2012.02.05 21:38:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Che Biko wrote:The Mittani wrote:I got elected to chair with only 1750 GSF votes in CSM6; the rest of my 5365 votes came from non-GSF sources, How do you know this? Because he know's what he's doing. When you have an alliance full of *enough* sheep ...
Occam's razor.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2915
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Posted - 2012.02.05 22:26:00 -
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Che Biko wrote:The Mittani wrote:Amusingly, the release of the minutes didn't see much action itt, so I assume you all loved them! Well, some people post on the comments thread of the devblog, and others on the related thread on Jita Park instead of ITT. The Mittani wrote:I got elected to chair with only 1750 GSF votes in CSM6; the rest of my 5365 votes came from non-GSF sources, How do you know this?
Because we had a system on our forums which would tell GSF members to either vote for myself or Vile Rat based on whether their forum ids were even or odd numbers, and then an exit poll page which would track how many accounts they used to vote for their designated candidate. This let us track to ensure we had a roughly even split, so that people didn't just mash vote for me and leave Vile Rat hanging. I was told to vote for Vile Rat, so I did!
Of course, self-reporting is always open to misrepresentation, blah blah. But about ~1750 for each myself and VR from GSF. The Office of the Chairman: A Thread for Constituent Issues |
Mintrolio
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
72
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Posted - 2012.02.06 00:40:00 -
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CONFRIMIGN THAT IS LOT OF VOTE.
ALSO I AM HOPE I GETTIGN JUST HALF THESE VOTE MAYBE EVEN ONE QUARTR.
ALSO I FINDIGN IT DIFFICUTL TO BELEAF THET SUCH A ~POPLUAR~ SPACEMAN MUST TELLIGN PEEPOL TO VOTIGN FUR HIM - SURLY YOU TROLL US AGAIN.
ALSO YOU SUCH A KIDDER!
KEEP UP THE GOOD POASTIGN! MINTROLIO FUR CSM7 |
Che Biko
Humanitarian Communists
64
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Posted - 2012.02.06 13:49:00 -
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Hmm, that answer does two things for me: - It strengthens my dislike for strategic voting. - It shows a reason why candidates that have no ties with large alliances/corps/blocs could indeed be at a disadvantage, at least initially.
3500 votes, that was about 3/5 of GSF, right? And the total amount of EVE population voting for the CSM was 14.25%.
As I see it there no way a group of independant people could organize themselves in a way that would attract a similar amount of votes from people that would otherwise not vote for the CSM, or to organize and monitor voting in a similar way (yes, I am assuming a lot of goons would not have voted for the CSM if they were not asked to vote for one of their members.) They don't have the pre-existing communication lines with large amounts of players (not to mention the command and obey nature of the mentioned groups). This gives large alliances/corps/blocs candidates an advantage other candidates do not have. Candidates belonging to large groups could possibly be voted into the CSM just because they asked their groups to do so.
Do you see this possible advantage as a problem, and if not, why not? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
45
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:35:00 -
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Well, we could try direct democracy by putting things constantly to referendum, as people suggested. But it would mean what would effectively be a perpetual election.
After the 50th minor issue, all the debating over everything will just wear out the illustrious EVE-O forums (where everyone has their say) and when eventually something big appears, guess who'll be performing coordinated butan push. |
Adolf Hilmar
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.02.08 01:58:00 -
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Why do charismatic and effective leaders keep winning elections? The union of space nobodies demands an answer! |
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
257
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Posted - 2012.02.08 04:42:00 -
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Adolf hilmar what would be your final solution to our problems? Force the jews to pay the micro-transaction costs instead of us players? Plus we get the cool goggles and clothes still, but off of jew labor? Signature removed, CCP Phantom |
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