I won't slag you off for missing the point.

lol, if it was me got to apologise but am a bit distracted as I was writing a new post to increase the absurdity level of this...

16. If you missed out on this last auction no worries I have 5 more characters to raffle off. CCP Falcon has showed me were to post such offers. I cant thank him enough for moving my post to this section. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=287241 All future raffles games to be played will be posted in that section so don't miss out.

This thread is being moved to the Ingame Events and Gatherings sub-forum.

Our customer support team is also in the process of reviewing this particular style of raffle to ensure it conforms with our rules and policies.

Yo Handsome, there was no paid lottery for a character at any stage. So no buying of a character was ever part of this process.

The lottery was a freebie for those who buy gtc, an incentive to buy from DNS; the cash for GTC is separate from the lottery. The cash for gtc is legal. The offering of freebies via made up currency to boost your sales is legal. Link these two together and you have a winner.

you have to enter the lottery to be able to buy the character. It is an intrinsic part of the process of buying the character. You can argue all you want about semantics, but if CCP decide that the quoted part of the ToS apply to the whole process and not just the final exchange step, expect bio massed characters and many many tears.

This is the legal sleight of hand that makes rmt into not-rmt.

anyone who gets upset about it should realise it's not a court of law but a court of CCP and their mighty swinging todger of doom.

It's a shame that dnsblack didn't make his point by selling say, an iScorp (lovely irony!) using this method as things would get really interesting. As it is, CCP could, if they so choose to, easily justify a ban hammer and bio mass due to it being a character sale.

Yo decaying dude, *fistbumps* etc.
I dig what some people is on about innit. But character exchange + lottery ain't good bruv.

If it aint in yo head yet, money must've been traded b4 character exchange. Process, wonga, character n all that innit. u geddit yo decaying dude?

nuff reespeck o/

/ flat documentary style speech "This is of course how most of the world views the English language skills of most people educated in the United States of America."

Moving your thread is not endorsement, it's making sure that it's in the correct forum for the topic.

DarkDecay, I know, however there are additional rules regarding Character sale when compared to any other type. That's my point and if CCP so chooses, they could use those additional rules to justify wielding their mighty pork sword. hence why I said it's a shame that dns didn't do it with an iScorp and not a character as that pitches players into the potential "legal" rmt.

Got the accent btw :P

The character was never sold but only transferred. That is the sad point here. By breaking the rmt process up into smaller steps, that are all seen by CCP as legal, it appears you can bypass all the rules. This is not good and needs stomped on immediately.

Moving your thread is not endorsement, it's making sure that it's in the correct forum for the topic.

Discussion is still ongoing internally regarding this kind of practice.

Reference to any endorsement of this by CCP Staff have been removed until an decision is made regarding it rather than misinformation.

Don't put words in my mouth in future.

Moving your thread is not endorsement, it's making sure that it's in the correct forum for the topic.

Discussion is still ongoing internally regarding this kind of practice.

Reference to any endorsement of this by CCP Staff have been removed until an decision is made regarding it rather than misinformation.

Don't put words in my mouth in future.

DarkDecay, I know, however there are additional rules regarding Character sale when compared to any other type. That's my point and if CCP so chooses, they could use those additional rules to justify wielding their mighty pork sword. hence why I said it's a shame that dns didn't do it with an iScorp and not a character as that pitches players into the potential "legal" rmt.

Do me a favor and show me the evidence. Build your case against me I would love to here it.

I believe it is to be titled: The case of the Mighty Pork Sword.

Sounds like a badly written Sherlock Holmes mystery to me.

You know CCP, you can play the "we are assessing the situation" card as long as you want now. This is certainly turning out to be something which is very interesting... and definitely historical.

Moving your thread is not endorsement, it's making sure that it's in the correct forum for the topic.

Discussion is still ongoing internally regarding this kind of practice.

Reference to any endorsement of this by CCP Staff have been removed until an decision is made regarding it rather than misinformation.

Don't put words in my mouth in future.

Do me a favor and show me the evidence. Build your case against me I would love to hear it.

It's a shame that dnsblack didn't make his point by selling say, an iScorp (lovely irony!) using this method as things would get really interesting. As it is, CCP could, if they so choose to, easily justify a ban hammer and bio mass due to it being a character sale.

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OK, first do me a favour and read this to understand where I'm coming from. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3752651#post3752651.

he didn't lotto the character. he lotto'ed a chance to bid on the character.

You're missing the point. Just like MMMitch told you before, he didn't directly raffle the character, he raffled a chance to get a Buyout on it. So he didn't sell it using a Lottery, he still sold it using an Auction and Buyout in the Character Bazaar forum section, just like the normal procedure endorsed by CCP for character exchange. The object of the raffle being a character buyout, plexes, ships or isk doesn't matter according to Somer Blink, Eve-Games.net and other unsanctioned in-game item raffling conducts, as long as they're all tranferred by the CCP designated trading mechanisms.

You're hiding behind details. Details which CCP are more than free to ignore when the inputs and outputs boils down to this:

• Buy Lottery Tickets
• Receive chance of getting a character

Add as many steps & details in between as you like, but it breaks down the same. Must buy lottery ticket to get character.