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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
533
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:13:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote:I remember when interceptors used to have a 5% sig radius reduction bonus before the great nano nerf of 2009 I remember that. My zealot could hit orbiting crows, no tracking mods or anything. So yeah, these are good for griefing solo pvpers while abusing skirmish links, but terrible for actual gang ewar.
Taht because due to the stupid speeds of 12 km/s these crows were orbiting at 50 km!!! Otherwise I call BS because nubmers show this to be impossible. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
373
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:13:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Michael Harari wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:
So yeah, these are good for griefing solo pvpers while abusing skirmish links, but terrible for actual gang ewar.
This Durign years we asked for better support for solo or pairs PVP and now you complain that we get it?
Being broken as **** is okay if it's in the name of solo/small gang? |
Goldensaver
Personal Defense LtD.
241
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:17:00 -
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Welp. ******* sweet. Holy ****.
Dat Sentinel is going to be just stupid, neuting out to ridiculous ranges for frig kiting.
The Keres is going to be positively stupid as a pseudo interceptor. Except it won't have to move to point anything. 30km scrams. Wow. On a frigate.
And the Hyena. Those webs. Perfect kiting ship. I might have to fly those as combat ships if I can get something together.
Really the only underwhelming ship is the Kitsune. I'll just bring Griffins for a cheaper price and get good enough jams. But it is pretty good for the long range jamming stuff.
Still... ******* SWEET! |
Edenmain
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
32
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:25:00 -
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How about a rethink on 2 ships which never get any love......
Succabus and Phantasm |
Aliventi
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
507
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:25:00 -
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These will be the changes that make the most difference in the AT meta. "tbh most people don't care about removing local from highsec. They want it gone from nullsec. I want to be able to solo roam hunt without everyone knowing I am there without them actually seeing me jump through the gate. Effortless intel is bad." ~Me |
Edenmain
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
33
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:27:00 -
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Also give EW frigs the interdiction nullifier that interceptors get. |
Edenmain
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
33
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:29:00 -
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Aliventi wrote:These will be the changes that make the most difference in the AT meta.
how about a 10 second delay per security system?
full local in all 0.5 and above
0.4 - 10 seconds 0.3 - 20 seconds 0.2 - 30 seconds 0.1 - 40 seconds 0.0 - 1 minute? |
Naomi Anthar
119
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:30:00 -
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[quote=Marcel So as long as Amarr is being balanced we shouldn't balance anything else? Sounds like a solid balance pass to me. Ship it.[/quote]
Yes if that means that once Gallente ship does not end up stupidly overpowered compared to others. Then yeah even if its not fair , we need it. For justice. And its not like keres is useless now or new keres won't be super strong after changes.
It will just not be Winlente Online this time, u mad ?
Yeah i know what you and other gallente folks expected, 5 drones 75 band drone bay, drone damage bonus and hp. And many others fancy undeserved and vastly overpowered reserved for gallente broken things. But yeah , deal with it. |
Bagehi
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
219
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:31:00 -
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Keres is going to be scary. |
Naomi Anthar
119
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:32:00 -
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Edenmain wrote:
How about a rethink on 2 ships which never get any love......
Succabus and Phantasm
Be patient - they will get it. Ytterbium mentioned it few months ago in some thread. But yeah i would love to see it as soon as possible too ;).
And lets hope those buffs will be HUGE. As those ships are not bad, they are terrible now. |
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1219
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:34:00 -
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Nice |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
534
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:34:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:Michael Harari wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:
So yeah, these are good for griefing solo pvpers while abusing skirmish links, but terrible for actual gang ewar.
This Durign years we asked for better support for solo or pairs PVP and now you complain that we get it? Being broken as **** is okay if it's in the name of solo/small gang?
They ar enot broken as #!@#!@ . They are still situational. They are all very fragile and will die to any light drones you send for them, they can barely pierce a wet paper bag with their firepower, so they are still going to work better supporting another ship, not solo. |
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
655
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:35:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:
They ar enot broken as #!@#!@ . They are still situational. They are all very fragile and will die to any light drones you send for them, they can barely pierce a wet paper bag with their firepower, so they are still going to work better supporting another ship, not solo.
You can kite light drones with mwd |
Roime
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
3531
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:39:00 -
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These look pretty damn sweet and will be flown like crazy in FW fleets.
EDIT: according to EVEMon, Electronic Attack Ships V finishes neatly on Nov 19th. Notify-á-á You cannot do that while warping. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
1276
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:42:00 -
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So anyone who tries to go through a low sec gate camp is now doomed.
One Keres, one Hyena on a gate orbiting at 40 to 40 km, both with RSB's aimed at them, making instalock easy. That pairing will outdo an instalock inty. Nothing will get through.
Genius CCP.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |
Milton Middleson
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
353
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:43:00 -
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I have to agree with the people predicting extremely obnoxious linked kiting setups. In the context of solo frigate battles, range control and ewar >>> everything else. The only thing you'll need to worry about is your crippled DPS failing to kill the target before reinforcements arrive.
My gut says these ships still lack survivability in even small gang fights. The Hyena and Sentinel, especially, since they have to operate at a closer range than the Keres or Kitsune. |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
2663
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:44:00 -
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lol....
Add in the Skirmish links, and we have frigates that point targets out to 80+ km's and web targets at 50 km's.
These just became extremely potent!
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Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
520
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:54:00 -
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very disappointing..
- sig radius is still far too high for frigs - tank is still underwhelming considering the T1 resists - i was hoping for more combat capability like mini combat recons - maybe keres and sentinel could get some drone damage bonuses - Hyena and kitsune could get some missile bonuses - web and point ranges are already too high on Recons .... - more ecm range is that really needed? can the kitsune even lock that far? - 80% neut range seems excessive
overall more combat capability over long range e-war.... that's surely the permit of cruisers?? Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name AB's need a buff-á like a big mass reduction ... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
534
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Posted - 2013.10.02 16:56:00 -
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Milton Middleson wrote:I have to agree with the people predicting extremely obnoxious linked kiting setups. In the context of solo frigate battles, range control and ewar >>> everything else. The only thing you'll need to worry about is your crippled DPS failing to kill the target before reinforcements arrive.
My gut says these ships still lack survivability in even small gang fights. The Hyena and Sentinel, especially, since they have to operate at a closer range than the Keres or Kitsune.
You mean like when the passive regen of a Moa can ignore your DPS? |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
1447
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:04:00 -
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Why not just toughen them up abit?
Why make them all "keep at range 40-120" lolmobiles? This is awful... BYDI recruitment closed-ish |
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Zarnak Wulf
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
1355
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:10:00 -
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Harvey James wrote:very disappointing..
- sig radius is still far too high for frigs - tank is still underwhelming considering the T1 resists - i was hoping for more combat capability like mini combat recons - maybe keres and sentinel could get some drone damage bonuses - Hyena and kitsune could get some missile bonuses - web and point ranges are already too high on Recons .... - more ecm range is that really needed? can the kitsune even lock that far? - 80% neut range seems excessive
overall more combat capability over long range e-war.... that's surely the permit of cruisers??
They only really had two ways to go. Make the ships super durable and survivable at their current ranges or increase their range to approximate that of the recon ships. CCP went with the second option. As such they need some weaknesses and I guess the sig radii drew the short straw.
The Keres and Sentinel are adequate. The fear factor on them is greatly increased but it had nowhere to go but up, no?
The Kitsune is one of a few boats with an e-war optimal bonus. That alone is a niche. With the new lock range, a sensor booster, and an ionic field projector rig or two you'll see this thing at 100km - 150km. I guess balance is only having three jammers.
They Hyena really needs the MWD cap reduction bonus or you'll only see the thing with links or coupled with a Keres. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
534
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:12:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:Harvey James wrote:very disappointing..
- sig radius is still far too high for frigs - tank is still underwhelming considering the T1 resists - i was hoping for more combat capability like mini combat recons - maybe keres and sentinel could get some drone damage bonuses - Hyena and kitsune could get some missile bonuses - web and point ranges are already too high on Recons .... - more ecm range is that really needed? can the kitsune even lock that far? - 80% neut range seems excessive
overall more combat capability over long range e-war.... that's surely the permit of cruisers?? They only really had two ways to go. Make the ships super durable and survivable at their current ranges or increase their range to approximate that of the recon ships. CCP went with the second option. As such they need some weaknesses and I guess the sig radii drew the short straw. The Keres and Sentinel are adequate. The fear factor on them is greatly increased but it had nowhere to go but up, no? The Kitsune is one of a few boats with an e-war optimal bonus. That alone is a niche. With the new lock range, a sensor booster, and an ionic field projector rig or two you'll see this thing at 100km - 150km. I guess balance is only having three jammers. They Hyena really needs the MWD cap reduction bonus or you'll only see the thing with links or coupled with a Keres.
Meeh i rpefer now because i can use my hyena with AB with no shame on my soul. |
The Spod
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
88
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:21:00 -
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KERES is pretty ridiculous as a tackler after this. 50km point with 2-3 damps and mwd, or 2 points and 2 damps. Points two ships and dampens their targeting range so that they can do nothing about it. With faction stuff you can point from outside drone control range.
HYENA becomes nice finally. Loving it. |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
1355
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:22:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:
Meeh i rpefer now because i can use my hyena with AB with no shame on my soul.
At least argue for 5% per level then. That was the old interceptor bonus that didn't work. |
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Origin. Black Legion.
274
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:23:00 -
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Everybody gets a kite! STANDING ON THE VERGE OF PROLAPSE |
Arthur Aihaken
The.VOID
253
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:29:00 -
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With all these changes, no way T3s should be getting any kind of serious nerf... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
Katherine Raven
ALTA Industries Intergalactic Conservation Movement
5
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:32:00 -
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Guess it's time to crank out a bunch of electronics attack frigs to sell. These look like some badass changes. Though I have never flown them so I can't comment beyond that. |
waferzankko
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
29
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:36:00 -
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[Rubicon] Electronic Attack Ships, new role: jamming super caps. |
Shigsy
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
70
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:47:00 -
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Just what eve needs, more overpowered long range ewar ships.
Anyone who thinks this change is a good idea didn't play eve 3-4 years ago. |
Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
521
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Posted - 2013.10.02 17:56:00 -
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CCP how about as a role bonus you could have 50% reduction in cap use for e-war then all the cap bonuses could be replaced with damage bonuses instead? Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name AB's need a buff-á like a big mass reduction ... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
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