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Aglais
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Posted - 2013.07.29 18:34:00 -
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I am a fan of the fact that the Cerberus will now be able to comfortably fit six launchers, tank and a MWD. Good change, we'll see where this takes the ship in future.
Eagle: Your rail changes strike me as something that'll basically make the Eagle try to be a ship whose purpose is 'drop reasonably high long range DPS into something at dumb ranges that is practically stationary', which doesn't make it very useful at all. I don't remember the numerical relation of pre-hybrid buff railgun tracking to after, but what I do remember is back in the day completely ditching medium railguns and putting lasers on Caldari ships because they were so abominably bad at actually hitting things, at optimal. |
Aglais
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Posted - 2013.07.31 17:47:00 -
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Hannott Thanos wrote:Always wanting to have the largest guns and full tank without using fitting mods.
The problem here lies with the guns that aren't the largest not being useful at all. Wanting full tank is something you generally want on a variety of different sorts of ships to maximize survivability, especially when you're in a Caldari ship, which is not fast at all (ie. Eagle).
And then there's also the issue when you have but one size of 'gun' for long and short range combat, and you're unable to fit that size of gun, a prop mod, and tank simultaneously (Caracal Navy Issue, the first iteration of the Cerberus, the second 'tweaked' iteration in the first HAC tweak thread...)
If there was a gun related rebalancing that made all the different sizes useful (ie. having actual choices in regards to which of the three types you want to fit based on grid, damage, tracking and etc.) then honestly I think people wouldn't automatically gravitate to the largest guns. |
Aglais
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Posted - 2013.08.02 18:10:00 -
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No mention of the Eagle or Cerberus in that address at all.
I'm losing hope here for being able to fly Caldari T2 ships and not feel a massive sense of shame, between this and the Command Ships thread. At least they're trying with Gallente.
(Seriously just drop the kinetic damage bonus and turn it into a generic missile damage bonus or RoF or SOMETHING stop trying to take away one of the biggest advantages missiles have over guns, for Caldari only, while giving Amarr and Minmatar to basically have what Caldari, the 'missile specialist' faction, don't have.) |
Aglais
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Posted - 2013.08.02 19:06:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:Sorry I didn't say anything about the Caldari HACs, it's because I think they are probably both in really good shape.
We are seriously concerned that the Cerb will be too strong. The biggest issue is probably Rapid Light Missile Launchers which have incredibly damage application and projection for such a tiny fitting investment. I think its a good dynamic to be choosing between raw damage potential and application, but a rlml Cerb will be kind of insane. And in general the ship is shedding a lot of its past handicaps such as terrible speed and fitting difficulty.
The Eagle is a little harder to judge, but I think it's probably more towards the side of being too strong than being too weak. The Eagle is definitely more of a fleet ship than a small scale skirmisher, but it got much much better for that role in this pass. Added sensor stats, lower sig, added fitting, and most importantly the trade of a utility high for an extra mid means that we are expecting ahac style eagle fleets to be very strong, especially when you consider the rail buff. We'll have to see how it goes but we are not worried about the Eagle.
About the price question - I would say if its rising in price but you don't think its worth it that you shouldn't buy it, but clearly someone thinks it will be worth it. I don't think the price of HACs necessarily would be required for their power level, but I also don't think it needs to be lowered. With these changes they will more than justify the price for lots of players (me included).
Wait: So the Cerberus' anti-frigate capabilities (unless RLMLs now actually pose a threat to things your own size) threaten to make it too strong, while ignoring HML and Assault missile performance? I'm not sure I'm getting this part here.
As for the Eagle: The rail 'buff' also includes making it's medium guns (put on a reasonably fast cruiser) track only somewhat better than battleship blasters. Bad tracking, on a fast ship, meant to fight faster targets... Is a buff? I guess that's a solid way to give railgun ships absolutely tiny engagement envelopes or something.
I am not convinced at all that either HAC is in a good position- placing the current set of changes (for both HACs and command ships) on Singularity to allow for large scale testing and additional feedback would be a very good idea, IMO. |
Aglais
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Posted - 2013.08.03 04:03:00 -
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Diesel47 wrote:Rofl, the Cerb is not OP. The other HACs just blow in comparison (see vaga). Ok so the cerb becomes a frig murdering monster... So what One could say that it is the ships "role"
Yeah, I find the 'Oh no we're not tweaking it more because it'll murder with RLMLs' to be absolutely hilarious.
Take that bonus to RLMLs off. This is a HAC, not a Destroyer. Make it best against it's own size class or larger. If I want a dedicated frig killer, I'll buy a destroyer, or even other frigates.
To be honest? I think the Cerberus still needs a few tweaks. It's not as completely worthless as it is currently (what with being outperformed or on par with the Caracal in almost every field but range).
The Eagle on the other hand is still an unmitigated catastrophe. |
Aglais
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Posted - 2013.08.06 21:37:00 -
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CCP Rise wrote:I love that in the last page there has been complaint that Vaga isn't good, Vaga is too good, Eagle isn't good, Eagle is fine, Sacrilege isn't good, Rep bonus Deimos is awesome and Rep Bonuses are bad.
I think we are reaching a good place here =)
But the Eagle ISN'T good.
It's role still isn't clearly defined. The railgun changes (mostly their hit to tracking) are going to hurt the Eagle and force it into ranges that don't make it useful. It's not going to be a good close range ship either because it doesn't have any drones at all. I see absolutely no reason to use an Eagle over a Zealot still. |
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Posted - 2013.08.08 23:10:00 -
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Romar Thel wrote:Yes, "sadly" eagle is the slowest hac (one has to take that position). But it relies on its range rather than speed to play. That is its role. Long range sniping. Other ships dont have even half of its range.
I'll let you know when hitting at like 150km with medium rails (even after the "buff") is useful. Don't hold your breath- the prolonged lack of oxygen would end up killing you. |
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