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Posted - 2011.10.25 05:26:00 -
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Trainwreck McGee wrote:Like you said WiS is dead so please leave EVE and stop posting
I can't believe the idoicy of some people. Yes lets make the game smaller with less subscribers so I can feel special.
I have been playing this game, I have tried most aspects of the game. I have been in a 0.0 alliance, I actually spend alot of time in low sec doing industrial work, I have also done Faction warfare, I have done the industrial, invention, mining, missioning world of high sec. (I started the game in 2006 with red moon rising). I was looking forward to WiS as something new.
Now that CCP in its wisdom of listening to the idiots that think less people would be better for the game and new people suck is the response they decided to go with. |
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:03:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Hershman wrote:I agree that most people want support for WiS, but unfortunately the vocal minority... see, its this **** that pisses most everyone off. The most vocal minority here are all the players here on the forums. The only opinion that matters is CCP's and CCP's is to shelve WiS
Only problem with that is - CCP stated they were doing what they were doing because of the opinion of the vocal minority that didn't want WiS. Now we have basically a WiS war, and I am to the point where I am going to be one of those people that unsub probably when TOR comes out because I am bored with FiS. (I have done just about everything 0.0 alliance, low sec, and most everything that Highsec can offer and going backwards instead of forwards is not my idea of making the game better)
I might come back if CCP ever gets its act together and stops screwing with me. Promise me something, make me wait 4 years then shelve it because they screwed up and decided to get greedy. (See NEX and WoD)
No you can't have my stuff you greedy whiny beggers. I would rather burn it all than give it to you. |
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Posted - 2011.10.25 20:14:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:
And it will be people like you that damage the game farther. Good job. WiS NAOW OR ILL LEEEEEEVE WAAAAAAAH
God you sound two
Huh I can't state my opinion, and I never said WiS now or I'll leave I said I am pissed because they promised me something I waited 4 years and they told me - we aren't going to do it now. I also said I most likely will wait till december and if they can't get their act together then I might leave. I plan on voting my displeasure with my wallet sence they ignore me till that happens (Isn't this the whole reason we are having this debate CCP screwed up and people left. Well I am giving them fair warning I am not liking the way they have decided to fix things)
The last bastion of people who can't form an arguement is to start calling them names and making personal attacks. |
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Posted - 2011.10.25 21:53:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:
Yeah, I think all this mess is going to make certain people's heads over at CCP explode eventually...I can just imagine them running around with their heads on fire screaming "WHAT THE **** DO THESE PEOPLE WANT?!?!?!?! GODDAMNIT MAKE UP YOUR MINDS!!!!!"
Btw, kudos on using "moot point" correctly. I think you're one of 5 people on these forums that understands it's "moot" not "mute".
You are never going to make everyone happy and if you try you will fail at making anyone happy.
CCP needs to decide what it wants, is it a space ship game or is it a sci fi sim. Until CCP decides which it is they are going to never move forward and they are eventually going to crash.
I understood this to be a sci fi sim and they were finally moving beyond just spaceships. Others think this is just a space ship game and anything extra is a waste. That is their choice but it isn't mine.
I'm am upset because I am tired of just space ship and they had promised me alot and keep backing off. PI was suposed to be more like colony management now its just mining. Ambulation was going to allow alot more interaction and make the game fuller more sci fi like, now they are putting it on the back shelf where it will sit for most likely years. I've been patient but I will only wait so long, most of my friends have left and I stuck around. The game is not growing and it shows. They pissed people off with their greed and imo they learned the wrong lesson and are going backwards not forwards.
I don't think I have ever been this pissed at CCP, I hope they figure out what they are and what they want and do it right. |
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:14:00 -
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CCP has a major problem right now and that is - What is EVE?
For as long as I have played I have understood EVE to be a Sci Fi sim, however there is a group in EVE that only likes the Spaceship part of EVE. For the longest time it didn't matter as all of EVE was simply Spaceships as our avatar. Unfortunately CCP completely forgot what EVE was about and started doing things for money not for a purpose. Because of this loss of identity CCP screwed up majorly and they started to lose subs for the first time. Panic has ensued and CCP desperate to stop the bleeding quickly made some rash decisions. They listened to the loudest complaints and figured if they fixed that it would mollify people.
IMO they are making a huge mistake in doing this, they are still lost and the identity of EVE is in danger of being reduced to - A space ship game. EVE is so much more and they need to remember what EVE is or they will continue to lose subs.
If you ask how is EVE more than FiS look to EveGÇÖs past and see. - EVE is an economic game. They once hired an economist to show people how things were going in Eve. He was supposed to put out a quarterly newsletter telling us how things where being shaped economically. Now we are lucky to have him speak up once a year if that. - Eve is an industrial game. Originally they stated that all things should be made by the players and worked to slowly remove all items from being sold only by NPC's. Then they said hey we can make money and the NEX was born removing what they promised would be a feature of more goods being able to be created by players.
By turning away from WiS they are doing much of the same, they are forgetting the principle that Eve is a Sci Fi sim and more than just FiS.
Eve needs to remember what it is and what itGÇÖs goal are or they are going to cause more harm than good with the fixes they are trying to implement to GÇ£stop the bleedingGÇ¥
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Posted - 2011.10.26 20:35:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Mekela wrote: If you ask how is EVE more than FiS look to EveGÇÖs past and see. - EVE is an economic game. They once hired an economist to show people how things were going in Eve. He was supposed to put out a quarterly newsletter telling us how things where being shaped economically. Now we are lucky to have him speak up once a year if that. - Eve is an industrial game. Originally they stated that all things should be made by the players and worked to slowly remove all items from being sold only by NPC's. Then they said hey we can make money and the NEX was born removing what they promised would be a feature of more goods being able to be created by players.
k... how is that related to WiS? Economist: standing in your CQ selling and buying? I can see where the RP element would like it but yeah... Industrialist: youre damn sure not going out there yourself to mine explain please Plus, EVE is a spaceships game. Spaceships are what they use to advertise it at lease. Look at the "I was there" vid. Was that about walking around in a station, playing poker, etc? No, it was about spaceships blowing each other up. CCP knows this is a spaceships game, otherwise they WOULD be focussing on WiS instead of the rest of EVE.
This is the fight that has been created - Tell what vid could you show that isn't a spaceship. Please read my whole post, just because all people were able to do was fly about in a spaceship did not mean thats all EVE is and was. Look at the future of EVE advertisement. That is what EVE is suposed to become. If CCP thinks that all EVE can be is a spaceship game then it has pretty much decided to go against its own mission statement and if that is true EVE is going to continue to bleed till it determines to either create a new mission for EVE or return to the orginal mission.
From what I see you are in the camp "EVE is only FiS" I feel bad for EVE if they decided to follow your route as it severly limits what they can do and where EVE is going. |
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Posted - 2011.10.26 21:03:00 -
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Here is a simple question - how many of you loved "Clear Skies"? Why did you like it? Was it only because of the space ship parts? How cool would it be if we could do the things that they did in the movie?
This is what EVE could be. |
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Posted - 2011.10.28 02:20:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Azahni Vah'nos wrote:That should tell CCP what the communities feelings are regarding WiS. They got all the information they needed when thousands of accounts got canceled over the summer.
99% of the people that get cancer eat some type of wheat product, therefore all cancer is caused by wheat! (I am using the same logic you used to determine why people canceled)
We have opinions on why it happened but I don't believe anyone has done any real research on what happened and why all we have is antidotal evidence and as you can see that kind of evidence can provide some very incorrect results.
If CCP wants to really find out what its people want and why some left it needs to do some type of statical survey or something of that nature. Otherwise they will be floundering under false ideas based off of assumptions that could or could not be correct in nature.
PS If you don't know I want WiS and if CCP is going to continue on its course of FiS only, I truly believe that they are going to continue to loose subs until the game becomes irrelevant to the MMO genre.
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Posted - 2011.10.28 02:59:00 -
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Posted - 2011.10.28 20:36:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Agree. Has there been any clear indicator from CCP over the past 18 months showing how it would not be boring?
Um are you kidding, lets start with the "future of EVE" add as a starter. Then lets look at the fanfest WiS they presented us. Also all the dev blogs for the last couple years about all the things we were going to be able to do.
Things I was really looking forward to -
- Gathering rooms. It would be nice to see a representation of the people you are speaking with on TS or Vent or even Eve speak.
- Interactive Agents. Getting missions or doing anything with an NPC is about the most boring thing in this game. WiS is a great way to liven things up and to make missions a bit more exciting when you meet in the back alley to discuss the trouble he is asking you to get into.
- Customization of our avatars, our living quarters , as well as the bars and shops we were going to set up. One of the biggest draw backs for EVE is the confomatity of everything. They finally had a way to allow me to express myself as an individual rather than my ship and 100 other players whos ships that looked exactly like mine as my respresentation. (I still think Eve is stupid to not allow some type of customization for the ships, even if it is just a 2 color adjustment bar letting my ship have my colors rather than exactly the same a every other ship)
I am sure there are other things that other people were looking forward to but these are the ones on my list. |
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Posted - 2011.10.28 21:31:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:My replies in bold italics: Mekela wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Agree. Has there been any clear indicator from CCP over the past 18 months showing how it would not be boring? Um are you kidding, lets start with the "future of EVE" add as a starter. Then lets look at the fanfest WiS they presented us. Also all the dev blogs for the last couple years about all the things we were going to be able to do. Things I was really looking forward to -
- Gathering rooms. It would be nice to see a representation of the people you are speaking with on TS or Vent or even Eve speak. Not exciting at all
- Interactive Agents. Getting missions or doing anything with an NPC is about the most boring thing in this game. WiS is a great way to liven things up and to make missions a bit more exciting when you meet in the back alley to discuss the trouble he is asking you to get into.How is talking to an NPC face is more exciting than talking to an NPC window?
- Customization of our avatars, our living quarters , as well as the bars and shops we were going to set up. One of the biggest draw backs for EVE is the confomatity of everything. They finally had a way to allow me to express myself as an individual rather than my ship and 100 other players whos ships that looked exactly like mine as my respresentation. (I still think Eve is stupid to not allow some type of customization for the ships, even if it is just a 2 color adjustment bar letting my ship have my colors rather than exactly the same a every other ship)Customisable Living Quarters Shared Spaces Sure agree Not exactly innovative and exciting though. Customisable ships: This is a Single Shard game (LAG LAG LAG) Uniformity: It takes 6 months to get an Alliance Logo permitted and it has to be done in a uniform manner that fits the Eve Atmospherics - Your issue in this point is not with WIS but with the general feel of the game.
I am sure there are other things that other people were looking forward to but these are the ones on my list.
Why do people even play graphical games to start with. I know MUD's still exsist and they have no problem with lag or have graphics that get in the way of your gaming. What I am trying to say is that having a representation is a big deal and adds alot. One of the few good things about Blob warfare is the feeling you get when you see 500+ ships all gathered to gether getting ready for a fight. It feels powerfull to see that many people gathered together to accomplish this goal. Now imagine 500 avatars gathering together for an alliance meeting, that is alot different that watching 1 person type a question in a text box or listening to 1 voice over your headphones. (This is not about Lag or the technical aspects of it but rather things to look foward to. PS we know it is possible to do as I have seen avatars in other games that use less than a single ship rendering in EVE. CCP just decided to reinvent the wheel and it is up to them to find a way to make that wheel work with the tech we have now.)
Right now the avatar for agents is meaningless. They could have a single avatar for every single Agent and I doubt some people would even notice. Getting and turning in missions are pretty much completely ignored at this point. By creating an inneractive agent the feeling of missions would change alot. Here is a simple idea of how this could work. - You find an add asking for a ship captain. Walking over to the bartender you ask about the job and he tells you he might know something about it holding out his hand. You slip him and isk and he tells you to go over to the table in the corner and he wishes you luck. The shady fellow in the corner looks you over and then offers you a job of delievering 100 crates of small arms to a station 10 jumps away, he even offers a bonus if you can do it quickly... Now suddenly curiour missions are more exciting more part of a story. Epic story lines will actually feel epic, regular missions can feel more exciting and worth doing.
The last point was the fact that WiS is customizable and how that is important to alot of people. What I was trying to say was WiS is a step forward in the right direction and abbandoning WiS is a step backward and I don't believe companys do well when they are not moving foward. |
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Posted - 2011.10.28 21:54:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Anyone else think that the WiS crowd should just **** off to Star Trek Online?
Yes and then all Hi sec people should just leave and go play hello kitty online, and how about all Large SOV alliances should leave because it sucks that they controll too much. And all RPers should take a hike and play D&D, And all hulkagedon players and goons should leave because they are too mean.
There I think that solves it and now only the rest of us could have a good game, wait crap they are going to close the game now just because they can't afford to only have 100 people that play this game the way I like it? |
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Posted - 2011.11.02 02:53:00 -
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I would like the People that say FiS only to please tell how they are going to change FiS to make it exciting for someone like me.
I been playing the game sence 2006. I have done WH. Null, low and high sec actvities. I have been in huge alliances, moderate corps and have done stuff pertty much solo.
To me nothing really changes much about FiS. No matter what they do about Sov or Faction Warefare it still comes down to a simple hunt and hunted dynamic. Sure sometimes it can be quite exhilerating to fight a close battle where the outcome is unknow, but most of the time it is quite boring. Adding new ships isn't going to change much it will simply require tweaking tactics not changing them. Unless they really change some rules nothing is going to change in the game no matter how much FiS they do. And if they do change rules I can only imagine how much crying some people are going to do.
I was looking forward to WiS because this was going to be different. I was looking forward to PI because this was going to be different. The mini games, the interactions, things would be different it wouldn't be the same stuff I have been doing for almost 6 years. Now CCP screwed up majorly in doing these new products, and lost subs because of it. Now they are going quickly go back to FiS which means nothing is going to change.
CCP is still screwing up imo, they learned the wrong lesson. I hope they figure out the right lesson soon or there problems are only going to continue.
PS I am not avocating they don't do any FiS, what I am hoping is they realize that FiS only is not moving forward and if you aren't moving forwad you are falling behind. |
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Posted - 2011.11.06 00:09:00 -
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WiS was not supposed to be MT it was supposed to bring a persona to the game. It was to make the game personal, at some point there were going to have some type of FPS. It was also going to bring some very fun activities to the game.
- Gambling (people were talking about having poker rooms, + other inventive mini games you could gamble your isk away on),
- mission creation (at one point they were talking about you being able to set your bartender to be able to give missions that you create),
- Crafting (originally the clothing was going to be crafted and created by the players and sold at establishments.).
- ect..
It was supposed to eventually bring the "Full Science Fiction Simulation to life". And then CCP got greedy, and not just a little greedy, very greedy. They scrapped all kinds of things so they could jump into the Micro Transition game and screw the promises and ideals they had for EVE and dumped this crap on us.
So when Incarna hit and the players were pissed the **** hit the fan. For the first time people left, and all they could see was that it happened when Incarna was released. Fear and panic set in, (Its not like we are in economic times when you can survive with a bad rap on you) so they immediately stopped what they were doing. (This is a good thing; they needed to re-evaluate WTF they were thinking). However I do believe they are still in panic mode and the FiS only crowd is giving them bad advice.
What advice do they need. - Go back to your core. (The core isn't FiS btw) The true core of what EVE was is Player controlled sci fi sandbox. They wanted the players to be able to control just about everything. They have always tried to get NPC seeded items out. The NEX is the antithesis of the core they had built this game on. They were GREEDY and in doing so destroyed their core.
Removing WiS is not fixing the problem it is actually backtracking and keeping you away from what your core creation was meant to be. CCP need to remember that when they were doing things to try to fulfill the core idea people came, and you got money. When you started doing things to get money that is when everything went sideways. I hope CCP remembers what they were doing originally and why. If they remember and go back to doing things to fulfill the core (This includes WiS) then EVE will be fine if they don't EVE is not going to make it and will fall.
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Posted - 2011.11.06 06:44:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Nypheas Azurai wrote:
EVE has always been envisioned (see CCP's "future vision") as a sci-fi universe simulator.
I believe you should look up 'envision' in the dictionary, it does not mean what you think it means. I, for one, am glad that the future of EVE is not the same as in "future vision". It is Flying in Space.
envision (+¬n-êv+¬-Æ+Ön) GÇövb (tr) to conceive of as a possibility, esp in the future; foresee
en-+vi-+sion GÇé[en-vizh-uhn] Show IPA verb (used with object) to picture mentally, especially some future event or events: to envision a bright future.
Not quite sure why you think he got it wrong? For as long as I have played EVE (2006) it has envisioned (foresee's, pictured mentally) a future of being a total sci fi simulation.
Once again we see the stubborness of FiS only people. I really do like EVE online but if CCP goes with your idea of what EVE is then the version of EVE I was sold upon and the game I play and its potential of what it could have become has died and all that is left a husk of what it was. |
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Posted - 2011.11.06 22:25:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: I would assume that CCP are still going ahead with the WiS project, but it's very obvious that there's still a lot of fundamental work on the Incarna engine to be done before we can even start to expect to see anything go live on TQ. Until then, it's pointless to ask CCP to assign a huge dev team to a project that's barely out of Alpha. When we see a devblog asking us to log into SiSi to test the multiplayer capability of the Incarna engine, that's the time to start asking about Incarna content. Until then you're wasting your breath.
This is the problem, from listening to Hillmar we have heard they are abandoning WiS. I understand the need to cut back but his exact quote
Quote: CEO Hilmar P+¬tursson said "the community has spoken loud and clear", and that developing an expansion experience like Apocrypha is now "very much what we're aiming for".
"We're releasing the racial variants of the Captain's Quarters this year and that's mainly because we had that work completed," P+¬tursson said. "It also includes some optimisations and other fixes.
"I think the community has spoken loud and clear that they want more classical Eve features to come out, and that's the priority for us.
"Incarna is there, and we might pick it up at some point later down the line, but the voice of the community is quite clear. People want more spaceships, and more flying in space features. That's very much what we are responding to.
We the people think abandoning WiS is what is happening. We don't want a huge team working on it, we want "a team". We want it to grow. And don't give me "It can't work right now" How many MMO's are there that are face to face interaction, and your saying they can't do it on a smaller scale right now?
And for you FiS only people I'll happily contract all my stuff to you right after you give me a billion to cover costs of um stuff. I promise to pay you back 10 times as much |
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Posted - 2011.11.09 09:32:00 -
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I have noticed alot of the "I hate WiS" people are goons. Normally I would chalk that up to the fact that they love to troll, but I started to realize it was something more.
Goons stated objective is to ruin the game for everyone. So they hate WiS because they want to ruin the game for everyone.
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Posted - 2011.11.10 21:35:00 -
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It is certainly more than 12 people that care about WiS The question is more about why are people so passionate about WiS.
For -
- We were promised this 4 years ago
- Makes Eve more personal
- It is something completly new not the same old same old
- It expands the game into a whole new areas whos potential is huge and makes it more of a sci fi sim
Against
- It doesn't fix the old problems
- It adds nothing (I would add immeadatly) to game play and is just dress up (for now)
- FiS has been abbandoned because of this so it must go
Funny thing is WiS people would support fixing old problems and FiS upgrades we just don't want WiS abandoned while the against people insist that WiS must be scrapped |
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Posted - 2011.11.12 01:23:00 -
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Richard Hammond II wrote:
we were promised AMBULATION 4 years ago. WiS =/= Ambulation
12 * 3 (cause theyre gonna alt this up good) * 2 (cause you know theyre gonna run two accounts - most ppl do I hear) = 72 ppl. Its still 12 ppl base tho.
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72 alts - thats why it looks like theres a lot of people FOR WiS
Hum I think you have it backwards for I asume all those alts are those that are anti WiS. Its foolish to assume who is using alts and who isn't and anyone who isn't CCP that trys to say it is so is desperation in hopes that others might believe you aren't loosing the arguement.
Also: To ambulate is to walk about or move from place to place. Thus in the context of Eve WiS is walking about so - WiS == Ambulation |
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Posted - 2011.11.13 02:56:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote: describe to me combat in stations oh you mean like dust a brand new game? no really how would it work? squad up with your buddies stack up on the door of my cq and voice coms breech 321 and i logoffski? think about it
also you have a nightmare to sell, you log on waiting for customers to show up, nobody shows up for 15 minutes, you alt tab check your email and then a customer came flew 20 jumps to your station walked all the way over to your store o/ yous 5 times no response the customers alt tabs out while you alt tab back o/ to customer and so on you call it humanizing when it is just busting every players balls.
stop posting your half ass horrible ideas look i have a butt hole too who doesn't
They have long stated that eventually they want combat in stations - not dust but something else however that is their long term goals. Also it sounds like you have never played a FPS mmo, it is possible to do lots of things and make it fun.
You are one negative person, think of ways to solve problems. The waiting and no one showing up problem is easily solved. If you want to control it, CCP simply limits the number of stations that will allow player owned shops. Otherwise you simply let all stations and you will quickly find that certain stations become the populated stations (It would most likely corrispond to the trading hubs as people tend to like to have destination spots. (Malls resorts and other gathering places in RL prove this) Either way there will be places you could set up shop that would have population to support these stores.
As for what WiS could be the ideas are more than I or you could imagine. Try to think outside the box rather than proving you have no ideas by opening your mouth and belittling people when you can't think of how it would work.
Here are some ideas (some have been mentioned many times, others I thought of myself)
- First all the mini games that people would love to see (Poker, mind clash, that hex game they keep showing us, other table top games done sci fi)
- Myst style puzzle quest to solve on a station or somewhere else using Ambulation
- FPS pve and pvp station quests
- combination of space and station quest where you fly in space, distroy the ships protecting something then enter some sort of structure and do some tasks to complete the quest
- Corp and Alliance offices where you can have meetings with people face to face (rather than just TS)
I know there are more things that people can think of that would make Eve the true Sci Fi experiance many of us would love to see. |
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Posted - 2011.11.18 06:12:00 -
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yumike wrote:Astrid Stjerna wrote:If you don't like it, don't use it.
Again, if you don't like it, don't use it! That's only a viable choice, When CCP learns to balance things and release features involving both concurrently, however it seems they can't balance features/releases properly and releases little to no features for nearly 3 years '08->'11 to the game I pay to play. And apparently their refocus is on FiS and they are shelving WiS. I really do not understand how they cant leave two teams on WiS and have everyone else churning out features for the game we currently play. But apparently they can't, and you are being silly if you think WiS should take priority over FiS.
CCP suffered a major problem of too much on their plate. They decided to run 1 game, and create 2 new games with the staff that could only do 2 of those items. Eve suffered from this because they took it for granted and didn't worry about that game as it was allready successful. When they started treating Eve like a cash cow instead of a product that mattered bad things happened. This is the old news.
Now CCP has realized the mistake and are trying to correct it. They are refocusing on Eve and have tried to get to player base happy. In doing this they have stated they are shelving WiS because they think people didn't like it. (They are still tring to milk the cow because the refuse to deal with the problem that is the Nex and its inflated prices.) And what this thread is stating that alot of people see WiS as an important part of what Eve is and could be. Others have stated that WiS isn't Eve and want no part of it.
While I think the question comes close I don't think that is the question that should be asked. The question is "What is EVE?"
- Is Eve a full Sci Fi simulation that is still growing trying to reach out and be more.
- If that is true then WiS is a very import part of that and must be kept alive and developed further.
- Or is Eve a space ship game.
- If that is true then WiS is a waste of time and energy and has no point.
So what is Eve to you? |
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Posted - 2011.11.29 22:15:00 -
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CCP made the decision to remake the wheel. If they had done it they would have been able to sell their avatar engine to other people. It was higher resolution than anything anyone has out there right now. They failed and with it have screwed themselves over badly
What should have been done. Use an already established avatar engine (see unreal) Worked on their new engine and not make their established game the guinea pig for the new engine.
Secondly - The Nex problem, Nex should have never been done this way. Free to Play games are a genre that will stick around but in no way will the replace subscription games, FTP games are for subscription games that failed and need a re-boot or are originally designed to be FTP neither suited Eve online.
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