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Aaron Booker
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.26 14:20:00 -
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Hello,
I am currently a High-Sec Industrialist (Mostly miner/logistics, working on my production), but I want to move out to Null-Sec. Are there actually any Sov Holding Alliances that actually recruit people that just want to stay as industrialists. I don't have an issue reshipping every now and again into a battlecruiser to defend my territory, but it isn't something I enjoy much of. So I guess what I am looking for is, do any of you currently operate out of Null-Sec and how did you go about making the move?
tl;dr I want to move to null and join an alliance as a miner/industrialist. How do? |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.26 15:12:00 -
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Ask in corp recruitment section. Maybe a corp is willing to take you on, but usually they're more interested in ripping you off for 3b a month renting their space, unless you can add to the meat-shield regularly. |
Sharah Ongrard
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.06.26 15:26:00 -
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If they try to charge you money to join or sell you time or space, it is a scam.
Goonworms put it in their bios. |
P3po
Treasures Collectors. Mistakes Were Made.
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Posted - 2013.06.27 08:30:00 -
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Join some regular industrial renters corps ... that will be probably the only wait to get into 0.0 without the need of pvp.
I used to run renting corp where my only "charge" was 12-13% from your mined ore. Which is still great, since you are still making more profit than in high sec and you could do anything you want (manufacture, invent, PI, moon reactions, ratting, etc.)
Or if you wanna go on big scale and don't wanna join anyone, rent some system on your own.
And stop listening to these cry babies in here, you can get decent system in drone lands for 1B per month with exclusive rights for that system :D |
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
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Posted - 2013.06.27 09:04:00 -
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Well....
There's no getting around the fact that living in null-sec means that you'll be expected to be in fleets some of the time. Those fleets are usually called CTA's (call to arms) or "strat-ops" (strategic) where the alliance is going to want every swinging **** in the field. This is maybe less an issue for renters but .... yeah .... even renters will have *some* expectations with respect to participation in defense.
If you're not willing to accept that, then null-sec isn't what you're looking for. Low sec either, although the number of CTA's in low-sec is a fraction of what you have in nullsec. That said, you may not need to train a bunch of ships. Logistics pilots are always in demand and if you train logistics (scimitar and guardian) and the T1 variants then you will be able to participate in every fleet with a fairly modest investment in training.
It's not inconceivable to me that there will be a "niche" for hard core industrial players going forward but there will be a need for a paradigm shift in thinking before you can expect to be accepted as an "indy only" player in nullsec.
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Aaron Booker
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.27 12:44:00 -
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Tinu Moorhsum wrote:Well....
There's no getting around the fact that living in null-sec means that you'll be expected to be in fleets some of the time. Those fleets are usually called CTA's (call to arms) or "strat-ops" (strategic) where the alliance is going to want every swinging **** in the field. This is maybe less an issue for renters but .... yeah .... even renters will have *some* expectations with respect to participation in defense.
If you're not willing to accept that, then null-sec isn't what you're looking for. Low sec either, although the number of CTA's in low-sec is a fraction of what you have in nullsec. That said, you may not need to train a bunch of ships. Logistics pilots are always in demand and if you train logistics (scimitar and guardian) and the T1 variants then you will be able to participate in every fleet with a fairly modest investment in training.
It's not inconceivable to me that there will be a "niche" for hard core industrial players going forward but there will be a need for a paradigm shift in thinking before you can expect to be accepted as an "indy only" player in nullsec.
So I am more than willing to suit up for homeland defense, and hopefully it isn't a daily occurrence. But I enjoy mining, building ships, and logistics (Jump Freighters/Rorquals). Most of my characters have limited PvP skills. (I am one of those horrid multiboxers, although I do actually sit at the computer.) Maybe I was too hopeful in thinking that Alliances had industry cores.
I guess my next choice is to find a low-sec system with minimal traffic. |
Zos Tarkross
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:26:00 -
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Quote:So I am more than willing to suit up for homeland defense, and hopefully it isn't a daily occurrence. But I enjoy mining, building ships, and logistics (Jump Freighters/Rorquals). Most of my characters have limited PvP skills. (I am one of those horrid multiboxers, although I do actually sit at the computer.) Maybe I was too hopeful in thinking that Alliances had industry cores. I guess my next choice is to find a low-sec system with minimal traffic.
What about Providence? It's what I've considered for awhile (but haven't done yet). You'll have to look out for hostiles but the NRDS folks in Providence would probably help protect you against predators if you could give them intelligence on the hostiles...
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Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
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Posted - 2013.06.27 14:44:00 -
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Aaron Booker wrote: Maybe I was too hopeful in thinking that Alliances had industry cores.
Back in the day it was more common but jump freighters ended that because logistics became simple. Anyone could just jump stuff in from Jita or jump minerals into your POS for building supers etc.
Most (but not all) null sec entities now focus on PVP and any PVE or indy activities are just ways to make isk, not goals in themselves. There's also a lot of arrogance/ego involved. Basically the (in my opinion, short sighted) attitude is that if you're not PVP+¡ng on a regular basis then you're free-loading.
There are some (contact me in game and I'll get you in touch with someone) who do a lot of mining and capital ship building but you'll still be asked to suit up for CTA's. Also, if you enjoy logistics then doing things like fueling POS's and moving stuff around for the alliance is a special type of role that can sometimes get you exempted from other things. you'll have to check that on a case by case basis.
Some of the new changes do make it possible (but not necessary) for alliances to become self sufficient in terms of indy in the field. I don't sense anyone taking the possibility very seriously though and I don't see a wave of new thinking as a result either. More mining may happen once the isk/hour reaches about the same level as ratting does now but I don't foresee alliances forming an "industry core". more likely the minerals will just be flown to jita and sold for isk.
Quote:I guess my next choice is to find a low-sec system with minimal traffic. Well... once again, if your dream is to move to nullsec as a miner then do it. you'll need to train (or buy) an alt that can do something like fly logistics though so you have a way to "pull your weight"
it *is* possible. it will just take some preparations. |
Kelmurdoch
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.06.27 17:15:00 -
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Test Alliance offers a rental program through our renter alliance, Honeybadger Coalition.
You can rat, mine or do whatever you want throughout our space. I regularly see HBC guys in the prime mining and ratting systems, and they all seem happy with the arrangement. You are never called for fleets of any type, but neither are you defended in any way, so if you wanna do your own homedef fleet feel free.
https://wiki.pleaseignore.com/wiki/Rental
That page is quite out of date, on the specifics. But the alliance it feeds to is real:.
And yes, we are at war right now. Delve is quiet though. |
Ryuce
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Posted - 2013.06.27 17:26:00 -
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Like P3po said, have a look at some of the corp's in the renter alliances in the Dronelands.
Providence is pretty crowded compared to the amount of friendly (and less friendly) people in Dronelands.
If you have the time try getting a grip of general 0.0 politics and identify the quiet and relatively inactive parts of 0.0 which might suit your needs. |
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Lilliana Stelles
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Posted - 2013.06.27 17:29:00 -
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Kelmurdoch wrote:Test Alliance offers a rental program through our renter alliance, Honeybadger Coalition. You can rat, mine or do whatever you want throughout our space. I regularly see HBC guys in the prime mining and ratting systems, and they all seem happy with the arrangement. You are never called for fleets of any type, but neither are you defended in any way, so if you wanna do your own homedef fleet feel free. https://wiki.pleaseignore.com/wiki/RentalThat page is quite out of date, on the specifics. But the alliance it feeds to is real:. And yes, we are at war right now. Delve is quiet though.
Emphasizing the legitimacy here. I was in EXE and blue to test for a while. I remember we had some people pursue the nullbear industry, and directed them to renting from TEST. I'm not sure how every corp handles it, some may be percentage based, but the one I was familiar with charged a flat fee (something like 200mil per month per member). If you can make that (which you should be able to; hell, you can make more than that just ratting for a day), then by all means, go for it if it's your cup of tea. Incarna from 2009. 3 Years later and what we have doesn't look half as good as this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n41s1Iox18A |
Victoria Sin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.27 18:36:00 -
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TEST is 3b per corp, regardless of corp size. I guess that makes it easier on the bean counters. So obviously it's out of the question for small or solo ops as you'd have to work it pretty hard for a month just to get into profit. Probably a good deal for corps with 50 or more members. |
P3po
Treasures Collectors. Mistakes Were Made.
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Posted - 2013.06.27 20:48:00 -
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Of course that is why I suggested renting, there you don't have to fly in CTAs.
And that is also why I suggested drone lands, those systems are not so juicy for ratters, therefor the price is lower.
You, as miner, don't need high security system, you are good with -0.00 system, and you can rent those for 1B per month.
For solo player who don't play often it can be too much, try to get few friends together and you can split the expenses.
Or if you want some way to socialise and not to just make ISK, find corp that is renting. Not every renting corp is just bunch of alts making ISK. |
Aaron Booker
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:57:00 -
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Thanks for all of the info guys!
I ended up getting quite a few messages from people that currently live in null-sec as well. Hopefully I can find a corp that suits my needs. Null-sec here I come! |
P3po
Treasures Collectors. Mistakes Were Made.
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Posted - 2013.06.29 20:58:00 -
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Yea .... miners are quiet welcomed in 0.0 in renter corps, and needed ... if my corp was active I would recruit you days ago :D :D
Every mining corp which is not just bunch of few friends are actively recruiting :D Because .... the flucation of players is quiet big. Not everyone can be hardcore miner for long time, you will get ISK and have nothing to spend it on, so you will move on to something else :) Manufacturing, invention, pvp ...
And good luck in 0.0 .... don't get scammed :) |
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