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Lipbite
Express Hauler
705
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Posted - 2013.07.09 13:43:00 -
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1) I don't care. EVE made my toon complete introvert, I don't use present system, I won't use future system, I won't join corp, won't invite people to mine (because I cannot recommend EVE to any of my real life friends);
2) if you want to do something actually useful - re-make fleet broadcast window, please: bigger buttons and highlights of broadcasts by type. Broadcast window is are unusable during bigger encounters because there is no time to read every string out of 3-5 coming out each second. Also there should be limit how many times a person may broadcast per 10 seconds or minute. |
YuuKnow
Terra-Formers
818
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Posted - 2013.07.10 12:43:00 -
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Octoven wrote:I think the focus needs to shift from things that arent game breaking to something that needs addressing. For instance just off the top of my head. I would rather see more attention give to eve voice rather then something that really doesnt make a difference like certs.
This.
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Charles RunningHawk
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.07.10 20:03:00 -
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Keep some of the core skill sets, and revamp the starter professions to professions so instead of Caldari special forces you have Caldari Electronic Warfare Specialist Basic - Caldari Frigate II, ECM operator basic, Frigate missiles basic certificates and a few others, Caldari Electronic Warfare Specialist Elite would take you up though Caldari Battleship, ECM Elite, and Battleship Missiles Elite/Basic??? Have the profession certificates relate to a role either PvP or PvE, and wrap core certificates into them.
Make the certificates Private, Viewable by Corp / Alliance or Public - That way an FC can tell if you can fly a particular role, such as Armor Logistics. |
John DaiSho
Applied Creations The Fendahlian Collective
114
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Posted - 2013.07.10 23:18:00 -
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Just...please dont take away my "Elite hull tanking certificate" |
CtrlAltDelete Dethahal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.07.16 18:27:00 -
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Doesn't matter if they're visible or not, people still won't use them in their current incarnation.
An idea to make them useful would be to let corporations set their own certificates. Lets face it, they only people who care what you can fly are your corp/alliance pilots and that is strictly so they can figure out if you can fly the ships they use, identify who can refine perfectly, identify who can manufacture without loss, etc.
I know it would make my life easier not going through 10 spreadsheets and wiki pages to figure out what doctrine ships I can fly. If I could just look at my "Custom Certs" and figure out what's correct it would save me and whoever makes these TL:DR spreadsheets happy and point out what I need to do to get "qualified".
A corp role for setting certifications and forced visibility to corp/alliance (or maybe another viewing certs role?) would be all that's required.
Industry corps could use the same thing, but instead of PVP fleet doctrines they could use things like "Ice Miner Basic", "Ice Miner Intermediate", "Orca Booster", or whatever in the world industry corps do/care about. |
Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
535
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Posted - 2013.07.17 02:15:00 -
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The certificates could use some updating, but the biggest issue with them is the "everyone or noone" sharing model.
Corp leaders could definitely use certificates as a quick way to see when their players have the skills prepped for various roles, without needing to use API keys and out-of-game tools to do so. *Especially* if the permissions were settable to Private-Blue-Public, or Private-Corp-Public. http://www.mud.co.uk/richard/hcds.htm Richard Bartle: Players who suit MUDs |
Ditrius Bedala
BecauseICaNDoIt
1
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Posted - 2013.07.17 11:48:00 -
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The certificates alone are not that bad. This serve as indication, that capsuler posses a certain number of skills.
The problem is now noone in right mind will make it's certificate public, cause this will give strategic advantage to enemy in PvP and will disclose that player do not meet required skills in PvE.
I suggest the following: 1) Make certificates "autoclaimable". Right now to get certificate to need to claim it, which seems to be unnecessary action. 2) Set visibility certificates to public for people, who are in the same fleet. This will help both FC of PvP and PvE fleets. |
Goran Konjich
Ten Thousand Years Shinjiketo
62
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Posted - 2013.07.19 13:29:00 -
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Remove them. Your databases will be thankful. Your code will be lighter. Focus on Drone management.
Thank you. I'm a diplomat. Sometimes i throw 425mm wide briefcases at enemy. Such is EVE. |
Lapuna Nejilii
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.07.19 17:12:00 -
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As many said, customizable certs would be great, we could use it to plan our skill training, to guide new players more easily, etc. |
Tampopo Field
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
25
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:25:00 -
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The current certificate system is almost completely pointless. The basic certificates can give new players some direction about what to train for. Or possibly Inform them about some skills they didn't know about and could get if they trained some skill or another a few levels. Also I believe the proposed skills and skill gorups renaming and organisation thingy, if implemented, will further reduce the usefullness of certificates.
Personally the only reason I even bother to claim certificates is because the "you can claim this many certificates" announcement every time I log in is annoying. As for certificate visibility, showing what certificates you have, or even how many certificates you have, is practically giving out free information to people who'd like nothing more then to reduce your ship to a smoldering pile, loot all you had fitted and stored in your caro hold(s), salvage the wreck for some scrap to sell, crack open your pod, and add your cadaver to some creepy collection of cold dead corpses used for god only knows what. And wishes to himself/herself that he/her didn't.
The contets of the certificates are also dated and do not, beyond the most basic level, reflect in any meaningful way, to a character's ability to fly this ship or tha effectivly. It was proposed (too lazy to look for a quoute) that the certificates could be reworked into something that would reflect more accurately the requirements to fly effectively the doctorines used in todays meta. How ever, doing this would meat that the certification planner would give dated information when the meta has changed. Doing so would also either leave a large number of docorines out of the certificates or require far too mutch work.
All that being said, remaking the system into something that would allow corporations and alliances to create their own certificates could be very useful. These certificates could be set visible to corporation members or corporation members with a spesific role. This type of system would make it easier for new-player friendly corporations to give recommendations about what to train, give corporations/alliances that use doctorine fleest an easy tool to tell their members what they should train for their doctorines, as well as giving those same corporations/alliances more easy a means to make sure the members could actually fly the doctorines properly. Notification: Because I'm lazy, I have a tendency to post without proof reading. This may result in various errors including but not limited to typos, weird typos, grammatical errors, bizarre sentence structure, words written repeatedly, mislocated paragraphs, pointlessly complicated explanations, general incoherency, and abrupt endings. |
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Bwana Tian
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.07.20 13:46:00 -
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To attain my certificate for "Battlespace Technician", I require "Warfare Link Specialist" skill (which I have) and "Battlecruisers" skill. I am unable to get a Market Report on this item, so can not purchase it. I have already reported this once before thinking that it was an account issue because the Skill Information tells me that I can not purchase this item whilst on a trial account. I have attempted to use the search engine on the Market screen to no avail. Apparently it does not exist on the Market on my account. The Battlespace Technician certificate comes under the Leadership tab in the certificate planner. I do hope you can help me with this problem. |
FateInMotion
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.07.23 12:09:00 -
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Just to voice an opinion. I agree with some people they are helpful. They do indeed help newer players and I think the more advanced certs like full level 5 stuff should be gone. Maybe change certs into a learning tool with the tutorial, more focus there. I don't tend to show my certs publicly and like the post says not many do.
I think the underlying problem here is that Certificates act like: ACHIEVEMENTS
And achievements in EVE like saying hey I can fly - XXX - is probably not as cool as in other mmos because of the intel it gives.
I think WE the players should be able to create certificates, like we can with fittings and use them as a tool for new players joining alliances be it in high sec or low/null etc. They should be a training tool but that the players can use. Not some wannabe achievement system.
So imagine you are a new player - joined a corp and someone throws this ship fitting window at you. With guns or mining lasers, tech 2 things and stuff and says.. HEY YOU!! NEW GUY - train for that!!!! - as a new player you kinda go.. ok... and you see somethings that will take 3/5 days+ and are like erm.. ugh. But the real problem is you don't know why. You might not ask why do I need a gyro. Why the cap booster. Why tech 2.
Where as you could say, welcome go to your certificates menu in the corporation and we have listed somethings for you to train for to be usless in fleets - here is a tackler cert and a HAC cert : You check this certificate planner - it has the skills and explains what they mean and links then into the fitting ship you saw so you understand what the hell you are training for. Why you need that mining laser upgrade thing or that rig. Certs could have mouse over explanations and things. PLAYERS could even write something to go with their own certs, like the order etc and what use they give. The higher damage or extra benefit of have that skill to 3 or 4 or 5.
So to change a lot of the negative posts. I think certs could become a brilliant tool, but they need to change from a second skills queue type of achievement thing into that learning tool. More information and a guide for new players that older ones can use to help assist.
Overview: Allow players/corps to make custom certificates + assign them to members Possibly add mouse over text that players can add *Link in certs with fitting window to allow newer players to get a better understanding of how it will affect their gameplay. Maybe a preview option of the same ship with the certs - like a tick box for the one you got assigned and they can see Oh I do "10" damage now but later "50" |
CtrlAltDelete Dethahal
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.07.23 18:58:00 -
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FateInMotion wrote: Overview: Allow players/corps to make custom certificates + assign them to members Possibly add mouse over text that players can add *Link in certs with fitting window to allow newer players to get a better understanding of how it will affect their gameplay. Maybe a preview option of the same ship with the certs - like a tick box for the one you got assigned and they can see Oh I do "10" damage now but later "50"
An extension on what I proposed. And I like the additional ideas. I think adding custom ones that can be assigned by your corp/alliance are the only way they'll get used. These additional ideas for showing benefits to having them would be icing on the cake. |
Balzac Legazou
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.07.25 02:03:00 -
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Max Kolonko wrote:Not sure if anything on that list Would make them more used by anyone.
The main problem with certificates is that level of representesion of skills. Its low compared to what people (for example - recruiters) want to know about candidates.
They are also weak in terms of goal for skilling. No one is telling You "go skill for core defense elite" - thy tell You to train shield / armor skills.
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Current certificates bear only a vague connection to actual gameplay abilities, and that's one of the reasons why so many corporations demand full API access. The certificates are simply not useful.
If certificates actually corresponded to some real abilities (ex., "Certified Gallente freighter pilot", "Certified Tech-2 artillery operator", "Elite Tech-2 artillery operator", etc.), it would be much easier to recruit for or apply to corps.
Once the certificates represent relevant abilities, then the suggestions on the OP could make some sense (ex., ability to drag a link into chat, proving that the pilot has a certain certificate, or comparing your certificates to a "certificate checklist" created by someone else - similar to ship fits).
Also, what's the point of having to manually "claim" the certificates?
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Qalix
Long Jump.
29
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Posted - 2013.07.26 19:17:00 -
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I totally missed this thread before. If you're still taking opinions, then: remove certificate visibility completely. It's pretty unnecessary. I don't want any of my piloting skills known by potential targets/aggressors and even listing how many elite/etc I have is too much information, esp for a pilot who is either high SP or old birthdate (meaning people might expect an old player to have higher SP than he actually has and thus not engage him out of fear of his potential abilities).
Balzac Legazou wrote:Also, what's the point of having to manually "claim" the certificates? I've always wondered about that too. |
Kerdrak
D00M. Northern Coalition.
67
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Posted - 2013.07.29 08:31:00 -
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The whole idea of certificates as they are now have little sense. They can be useful for newbies as an objetive, but for long term players is useless.
Maybe the idea of certificates should be reduced to a tutorial thing, so they can advance in knowing the game better while getting some kind of collectible reward.
For veterans or corp recruitment, API is more useful and frequently used. |
Mythus Supremus
Prision Break Inc. Northern Associates.
1
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Posted - 2013.07.30 06:50:00 -
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the certificate system is good as the way they are now. I actively use it to track skills but i thinks that they need to be updated.
The visibility thing is completely useless.
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
464
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Posted - 2013.07.30 11:16:00 -
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Player made certificates to be sisues/tested inside corps and alliances woudl be the only way to make this certificte systme USEFUL.
As of now, I advise all new players that I bring into the game to NEVER EVER look at that certificates tab on the risk of being misleaded into making something very stupid with their own training. |
ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate S0UTHERN C0MF0RT
1690
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Posted - 2013.07.30 22:32:00 -
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Don't remove certificates from decorations! My bio is too full to show off Hull Tanking: Elite. I need another way! Save the Domi model! Spacewhales should be preserved. |
Andrew Indy
Four Pillar Production Headshot Gaming
14
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Posted - 2013.08.01 08:37:00 -
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If we do ever get customer Certs it would be pretty cool if we could drag and drop ships in to add all the required skills which you could then increase to a desirer level. |
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Jake Centauri
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2013.08.02 03:23:00 -
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I like the ability to display a wall of elite certificates purely for prestige, but I guess I'm in the minority. |
Junko Sideswipe
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
176
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Posted - 2013.08.02 03:54:00 -
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Allow corporation directors to design their own certificate skill plans for their members to guide them through the process of building up their repertoire of corp-certified doctrines.
Give it an initial fee like a medal or whatever and put it into a corp certificate "pool". Let all corpmates have access to the certs in a corp window with a prioritized list. This would help greatly with getting members to train support skills. When the player finishes the certificate they can display it publicly/hidden/director view only, this allows allows the FCs and directors to quickly see how many people are certed out for various doctrines. Confederation of xXPIZZAXx CEO Watch PIZZA Videos http://www.youtube.com/user/LunchSquad |
Dairokuten Maoh
High Flyers Ex Cinere Scriptor
2
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Posted - 2013.08.02 15:18:00 -
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I do not want my target to know I have Elite Core Competency or Elite gunnery skill or missile skills when I am baiting them. So, no, I do not want to be force to let them see my elite certificates.
I however made my harvesting related certificate public so my target would assume that I am a carebear instead of a pvper. S+Öpü«sëìpü½S¦¦pü»täípüÅpÇüS+Öpü«s+îpü½pééS¦¦pü»täípüù Before me, nobody stands. Behind me, nobody stood.
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Kitfox Shachi
Reckless Spendings Trading Company
0
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Posted - 2013.08.05 06:29:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:
- Remove the ability to set Certificates as public
- Offer the ability to drag and drop individual Certificates, or a whole Certificate profile from a character into any kind of text input field (conversation channels or EVE mails for instance GÇô this already is possible for individual Certificates from the planner)
- Offer means to compare Certificates with a particular individual that give you permission with your own
- For bragging rights, display unlocked Certificates publicly on all character show info, but donGÇÖt mention to which fields they apply GÇô for instance, running a show info on character A would list this pilot has 53 Certificates to Elite, 24 to Standard, but do not allow me to know their names or related skills.
None of the above.
Visibility of certificates is nonsence. I use it simply to bait noobs sometimes who dont know any better thinking im a hauler and miing alt.
Alot of new players dont even know some of the modules that are required to fly a ship they want to get into let alone the myriad of supporting skills to fly that ship effectively. They have to go on battleclinic, look up builds then find out what those modules are then look into setting up skill training plan. What does happen time and time again people come with OPTIMAL BUILD mindset and often OPTIMAL=MAX OUT so they pick a certificate and they think they need ELITE to be good at flying that ship. zero experience and maybe lack of community participation and they just go by the certificates. Alot o them dont even think to get the ship and start flying it with all 2s and 3s in the skills necessary but wait till they max out a certificate and then come and whinge trainign is taking too long to be a good pilot.
Certificates should be SHIP based competency list of skills. So a noob or any pilot can pick up a say BASIC Stealth bomber certificate and get a list of skills needed to GET INTO a bomber. the advanced bomber certificate can have a torp bomber skill needs and bombing skills too. the elite one would have things like tech 2 capability on launchers etc. at the very list a vanilla setup of these ships and their most common loadouts should be the 'norm' for these CCP provided certificates.
having the ability to make customized certificates would be great, even greater if a corp recruitment ad can contain said certificates so anyone applying for the corp that willing to enforce a minimum completency the required certificates will be compared to the applicants skills and auto rejected the application if skills missing. or maybe just a warning of list of skills missing so the recruitment officer can have a look and adjudicate on the matter. no point of auto rejectng someone is he is missing only 1 skill that takes 20 minutes to attain. this will save lots of time and remove alot of "we need your API to see if you have the skills you say you have" and let the certificates speak for themselves.
maybe even allow corp ranks to have certificates linked to them so only certain people with specific minimum skills are in those roles and not just because some dude is a friend of a friend of my missus. |
Caliph Muhammed
Caldari Investment and Security Industries Enigma Project
410
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Posted - 2013.08.05 13:29:00 -
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No to customizable certificates. Nothing more than unfocused pilots looking to create elite certs in one man corps. The same ones saying the elite certs are useless now are the same ones who can't fit what a Core Comp Elite certed toon can. In the worse case you'll have these guys pretending to know more about the game than the designers themselves and teaching newbs that x skill isn't needed or good because they themselves don't have it. |
Fyrkraag
Ganja Labs Exodus.
16
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Posted - 2013.08.06 01:48:00 -
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The certificate system is best served in TRUE SANDBOX STYLE -- player made certificates!
A corporation can fill create some skill groupings and set them as a 'certificate'. If someone clicks on a linked certificate made by that corp, they will immediately see which ones they 'match'. Anyone with application processing roles in the corporation will also be able to see the match *if someone applies*. Thus, the act of applying would act as your mode of information disclosure rather than the public/no public system.
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WilliamMays
Stuffs Inc.
61
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Posted - 2013.08.06 02:39:00 -
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Whatever you do, I only have one thing to say for sure. Please do not make certificates requirements for flying ships or using advanced modules. People flying big and shiny stuff, without the proper skills, is good for the game. I miss seeing carrier pilots with short jump range, guzzling extra fuel (i know, people use them for ratting in one system and never jump, but I still miss it)
As far as linking and permissions go, I think custom certs would be more helpful than anything. Allow a recruiter or FC to build them, link them to whoever, and compare. Link a beginner cert to your noob friend so he gets a better idea what to train 1st. You want to fly titans with your alliance ops? The supercap FC links you his titan cert, and you know what you need. start the POS revamp NOW--make it happen |
Fyrkraag
Ganja Labs Exodus.
16
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Posted - 2013.08.06 06:05:00 -
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The certificate system is best served in TRUE SANDBOX STYLE -- player made certificates!
A corporation can fill create some skill groupings and set them as a 'certificate'. If someone clicks on a linked certificate made by that corp, they will immediately see which ones they 'match'. Anyone with application processing roles in the corporation will also be able to see the match *if someone applies*. Thus, the act of applying would act as your mode of information disclosure rather than the public/no public system.
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Red Sains
Red Serpent Industries
0
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Posted - 2013.08.06 12:14:00 -
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WilliamMays wrote:Whatever you do, I only have one thing to say for sure. Please do not make certificates requirements for flying ships or using advanced modules. People flying big and shiny stuff, without the proper skills, is good for the game. ...
What he said +1 |
DetKhord Saisio
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
25
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Posted - 2013.08.06 15:49:00 -
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There is one thing certificates can be used for. The captain's quarters "ME Wall" for showing your achievements to guests and visitors. Then again, who really still uses CQ? lol |
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