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Jamella Sykora
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Posted - 2003.07.25 12:32:00 -
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They blockade the P3 Jumpgate in Obe ...
This jumpgate leads *to* areas in space where you mine and aquire nice items from pirates.
Now it doesnt take a genious to figure out people going here are gonna be looking/mining for this stuff.
What beats me is why m3g4 destroy industrial ships and miners going to these regions... surely it would be more "profitable" to attack them once their cargoholds are full of nice things...
...therefore they are blockading the wrong gate...use your brains and "blockade" the gates coming back to Empire space, not going out of it. Why would anybody take industrial ships full of valuable ore into 0.0 space...
I guess they are too retarded to grasp this concept and are simply killing and podding people because they can. This isn't pirating.
They destroyed a newbie in a condor and podded him as he travelled through this gate. He had only had EVE for 18 hours, and TankCEO podded him.
Silly griefers.
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Taurious
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Posted - 2003.07.25 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: Taurious on 25/07/2003 12:42:06
Edited by: Taurious on 25/07/2003 12:41:18
lol if your flying a condor dont go into .0 space, sounds like he learned a valuable lesson.
as to the whole indy ship thing, did they demand tribute? id rather take 1 mil isk, then try to haul the ore left from an industry ship, itd take atleast 5-10 trips in a moa. and moas arent any sort of speed ship either.
... besides blowing stuff up is fun, what other reason do you need, then to see someone else go *boom*?
if you know how to load sig pics msg me on aim, my sn is king20oo or you can jsut msg me for any reason, id like to have more contacts in eve.
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Megil enArvandor
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Posted - 2003.07.25 12:45:00 -
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Ever heard about PVP Jamelle? This is a PVP game, or supposed to.
Dosnt matter where the pirates camp for loot, its easy to avoid, and better being blown up 18hours into the game than 18days into the game.
Stop whining and complaining and do something about it if you think this is so disturbing.
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Cro Ramel
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Posted - 2003.07.25 13:01:00 -
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Simple. By not letting anyone enter the Vale of the Silent you thereby control the Vale of the Silent. More incentive to pay 500k to get in so you can get those rare goodies.
"If it sounds like a bad idea, it is."
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Diamond Smiles
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Posted - 2003.07.25 13:02:00 -
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The Moron Project used to do the same thing in Obe, but I didn't point out how incredibly stupid it was, because it suited my corp more to break their blockade with fully repaired ships full of ammo than with possibly damaged ships low on ammo with holds full of loot.
It ain't piracy to destroy empty ships on their way to where the loot is, it's just dumb griefing.
Francis Drake didn't attack the Galleons going out to the Spanish colonies, he had the plain common sense to attack them when they were on their way back, with holds full of gold and silver. But then Drake was a true pirate/privateer, not an idiot.
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Garreck
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Posted - 2003.07.25 14:02:00 -
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Edited by: Garreck on 25/07/2003 14:03:08
Griefing? C'mon, that's a bit exaggerated. People are going to play the way they wish: if they want to mine and explore, then that's what they'll do. If they're bored and want a bit of action, then they'll blow folks up. If they're going about it in a "stupid" way, then just be glad you didn't lose any valuable cargo along with your ship.
Garreck
Aeternus Crusade
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Jael Markinsen
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Posted - 2003.07.25 14:17:00 -
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Edited by: Jael Markinsen on 25/07/2003 14:22:08
Edited by: Jael Markinsen on 25/07/2003 14:17:29
Well said, garreck and megil, Well said
I would have thought what cro said was obvious but oh well
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Shock
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Posted - 2003.07.25 14:54:00 -
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I have to say that the 18-hour n00b in his Condor was pretty stupid coming to Obe anyway. You Do get a warning when entering 0.4 space for the first time.
Though I don't think it does not come close to M3G4 by camping the wrong site of the gate. I've never been Obe so far (it lits up in on the map like every day and there are less dangerous entrances into 0.0 space)
As for the argument:  Quote:
Simple. By not letting anyone enter the Vale of the Silent you thereby control the Vale of the Silent. More incentive to pay 500k to get in so you can get those rare goodies.
And how many people pay you that I wonder? As far as I read on these boardse you run every time you encounter people able to pay up that 500k and mostly blow up the ones who can't and bring you not much profit except some mining lasers.
So not much control is it? Also I figure you're not the mining type so you're not controlling it for the mineral either. And I don't think you can spare to many people hunting there since you risk to encounter the more serious hunters there that broke your 'blockade'
Better camp the other side and make the more realistic demand like 30% of the mined minerals or a couple of the looted modules by your choice. You are more likely to make any money out of this then since people are more willing to pay and you won't have to scavenge through the leftovers of blownup ships for whats left.
Additional bonus: you are less quick to provoke a countereaction forcing you to give up your location for a while letting all those folks through that were waiting.
But then again I'm no smart pirate like you guys.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.07.25 15:13:00 -
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"I have to say that the 18-hour n00b in his Condor was pretty stupid coming to Obe anyway. You Do get a warning when entering 0.4 space for the first time."
Only if it's manual jump, iirc; the autopilot will happily dump you anywhere without a peep.
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Taurious
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Posted - 2003.07.25 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Taurious on 25/07/2003 16:32:13
thats not true josephine many a time i went to travel, id go watch tv, and come back realizing i hadnt made half the jumps yet because i ahdnt accepted the warning.
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Ends
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Posted - 2003.07.25 16:41:00 -
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Where people that like to hurt others are concerned, you just have to come to peace with the idea that they are idiots. You can't explain to them that what they are doing is wrong, its pointless. Don't waste breath complaining about them, just kill em.
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Taurious
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Posted - 2003.07.25 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: Taurious on 25/07/2003 16:58:01
to say that pirating is wrong is in it self a very ignorant statement, as pirating is just another avenue for making isk, which i find to be more rewarding play wise. a battle is alot more exciting then staring at a rock and jettisoning every few minutes. that to me is a waste of my time and the money i payed to play. if i wanted to feel like im working, id go to my job and actually get paid for it. what it all comes down to it is a video game something you should do at your leisure, not a lifestyle or carreer. tell your friends your a bounty hunter or space pirate. i bet theyll find that quite amusing.
im sure many other "pirates" would agree with the above said.
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2003.07.25 17:37:00 -
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Another carebear rant.
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
Cro Ramel
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Posted - 2003.07.25 18:47:00 -
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Shock - You can't believe everything you read on these forums. Way too many people patting themselves on the back because they got through a blockade or made the "cowardly" pirates run. These are always blown out of proportion. I'd say that five days of the week Obe is held by pirates of some sort or another. Lastly, anyone that can't afford 500k shouldn't be fighting pirates or mining in a 0.0 system. You can make that much in under an hour in a 0.0 from bounties alone.
"If it sounds like a bad idea, it is."
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Hematic
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Posted - 2003.07.25 21:14:00 -
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Ok people Obe was the first travel advisory in the game. There are ALWAYS pod kills in the sector.
Either use BMs or don't go there.
M3G4 are the usual suspects sure but so what?
They pay to play this game as well.
This is how significant their blockade is to someone who has planned ahead.
2-3 nights ago my corp decided to go get some mega/zyd for ship mfr. We took 3 defenseless cruisers, 2 defenseless indys and 1 armed cruiser and went and mined bistot to our hearts content. Each indy made about 5 trips total to the DED station in obe.
Our casualties: zero, nada, zilch.
The gate was camped by either 2-3 cruisers or 1 BS and a cruiser the WHOLE night.
M3G4 aren't pirates you're right they are PvP'ers, from my experience sparring with them they like the fight that is all, get over it.
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Hanns
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Posted - 2003.07.27 09:53:00 -
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dude were not retard, we just like blowing **** up.
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csebal
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Posted - 2003.07.27 10:23:00 -
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Edited by: csebal on 27/07/2003 10:54:00
Well..
Pirating in itself is fine. I have no problem with that. Nor do i have problems with ppl who blow up ships, and let the pods leave.
What i have problems are the simple murderers. The ones who camp gates in obe, passari etc. People who kill for fun, regardless of their victims or the possible profit they would bring.
These have no morale, no honor, nothing i would respect, and serisouly think their only fun is to ruin the day of others (in which case they should really vitis their local psichology)
Again, i dont really care about them, as i learned to avoid any systems they camp.
I wouldnt even comment this thread, if they wouldnt use such idiotic excuses as:
"Its PvP"
"I pay for this game like you, i play it the way i like"
"Do not go there"
"I just chose the pirate way"
"Just another carebear"
etc
I would like to remind those who cover behind the above excuses, that:
Killing anyone without any reason (and im talking about podkills, noone cares about ships you blow up) cannot be justified. You get nothing from killing a pod.
Murder is a serious crime in real life, for which people are sentenced to death. Murder in a virual environment should have the same sentence, even if just virtually.
Do not make an idiot of yourself trying to find excuses for what you do.
Some of you say, you would hate mining so you fight. Well, fight then, go out to 0.0 and kill those npc cruisers with a frigate if you need challenge.
Hmm, thinking about it, you indeed have some challenge: "How to kill a pod within 5 secs using a battleship."
Oh my... that must be fun. :/
Again:
Do whatever u want, but stop trying to justify your actions.
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This post is nothing more than my personal opinion. It does not represent the official standpoint of Fountain Alliance, or the HUN Corporation in any way.
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Hanns
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Posted - 2003.07.27 11:00:00 -
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like i said, i like blowing **** up, that include pods, and half the time people are more concerned about the ship they just lost than a cheap clone, hell when i pod people it saves them a long slow walk home!
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Anastasia Grimoire
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Posted - 2003.07.27 20:14:00 -
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Hmmm. Well, not to perpetuate a carebare rant, but...
Yes, they pay to play the game. Yes, this gives them certain rights. Yes, M3G4 folks most definately are griefers.
But should the game be changed because you went to Obe and got your rear-end shot up? No.
I don't like what M3G4 does there. I've never been offered a chance to pay 500k in tolls. As a matter of fact, the first time I found them there, they shot my Osprey out from under me in about 20 seconds flat, before I leared about the joys of tactical shields.
So what IS the moral of this post? If you don't like what they're doing, do something about it. Get 6 of your buddies and go take your pound of flesh. They'll run off. And you can have yourself a good laugh. Or, do what I did. Go back in there with the same ship, a little bit better kit, and shoot one of them full of holes before running their pathetic blockade. :)
But don't come here and complain about it in such a silly manner, for the love of god. Stop complaining, I think, or calling names, and search out a solution that ends with them being free-floating hydrogen in space.
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Gunn Diesel
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Posted - 2003.07.28 01:05:00 -
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Edited by: Narayan Diesel on 28/07/2003 15:31:58
Edited by: Narayan Diesel on 28/07/2003 01:13:27
Edited by: Narayan Diesel on 28/07/2003 01:11:13
lol...I agree. Mg34 should learn to block the right gates . they may have a better chance in getting the loot they are too lazy to get for themselves. no wonder why they only have one BS for the whole corp. Tank CEO probably earned it himself . because I know they dont have acces to BS, otherwise they wouldnt keep asking me for loans. they used to be friends. but because we wanted to make a smart move , now they consider us enemies. they attack us and then ask for help...lol...too funny. MG34 should have kept the friends they had! but since weve parted with that alliance weve made over 300mil and have two BS's for just an 9 man corp. thnk god we were smart:) -Diesel
and btw Hanns that is one of the best signatures Ive seen nice job! do you do graphix design.....I may want to hire you for real life work ...can you contact me in game for info? and BTW my main problem with the MG34 isnt the members ...but the leader...Smoked you need to reolize who your friend are/were..lol you told me I would be sorry for leaving and once told me I was a "tire kicker" and to "watch my back!" hehe look whos the sorry one. why are you so stupid? you need to listen to your members ! I think youde be better off!
" Dont hate the playa... Hate the game. "
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archangel sean
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Posted - 2003.07.28 05:11:00 -
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btw it was fun having a fight with you guys...um...protos and smartass i think it was...
yeah...you guys can jump from gate to gate...but ya can't hide for too long..:)
c ya next time...m3g4
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Bran Al'Tec
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Posted - 2003.07.28 05:34:00 -
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Bear with me, I'm a newbie, but maybe a feature could be made where pirates can actually gain control of the stargate, and to use it a tax must be paid. (I don't if this exists, if so, please flame me), this way pirates could demand tribute without having the victim jumping with the gate before they can see what he is up. Ofcourse, gaining such control should be _hard_, requiring some nice skills, hefty equipment and defeating some guardians (in systems of higher sec).
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Falwyn Everwyl
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Posted - 2003.07.28 06:13:00 -
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I agree, I think that pirates should have different abilities (such as bringing in an EW character who has the ability to hijack the gate). However, I believe they should have different penalties, too. Before you blast me, hear me out.
First off; the penalties. Pirates should have to pay an extra amount of money for insurance, if they're allowed insurance at all, based off of the amount of PC kills they make and how long they've been playing. Why? Think like an insurance agent. Why would anyone want to insure someone who's almost guaranteed to lose their ship. This should make griefers less common, and true pirates more common. Griefers do what they do because they don't know how to do it otherwise (though some do it solely for the perverse pleasure of ruining someone else's fun).
Another penalty should be NPC bounty hunters. We carebears have to worry about NPC pirates coming to ruin our mining, why shouldn't pirates have to worry about an NPC armada appearing and attacking them? On the flip side, I'd like to see random spawns of NPC pirates, too, but this is about fixing the rat problem. :)
Here's a few bonuses I'd like to see: pirate agents. The ability to get information about NPC convoys. The biggest argument I've seen for griefing is that pirates have nothing to do, well this should give them something to do. I also think that in-game PC info would help, i.e. 'Falwyn seems to hang around ABC space a lot, tends to fly a Badger, and sells a lot of zydrine.' (not true, btw)
I also like the idea of being able to hijack a gate. Give a ship a module that affects it similar to the way that the MWD affects ships, but allow it to lock down the gate with a variety of options, though lowering your sec rating. Another module that could be used to scan a gate for travel logs would be useful for both pirate and bounty hunter alike. This should all open up more player dialogue and less jumpy trigger fingers. |
Devil Mann
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Posted - 2003.07.28 08:32:00 -
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Id like to thank one member of Mg34 corp for not firing at me. Obe space through to Jan has become a popular camping spot (especially the gate lniking Obe to 0.0space as mentioned b4) I appeared at a gate and sircrief(I think that was his name) was there in a maller. I ran away and spoke 2 him asking for passage. 5ooK.! I never had that amount of money so he made a deal and asked if there were 0.4 systems with lots of peeps. Of course i said obe knowing that theres plenty of rats round there.(MOA nearly tanked by dominix at that Gate) He said he d let me past adn that he was moving on anyway.) so i warp back to gate and hes gone. Go through and warp 2 next gate. There he is.....I fly past him and through the gate. So people...dont badmouth all rats. I know theres some scum out there but they aint all that bad.
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Damn roid respawns,CTDS,Stuck systems,lost items,stuck in warp,friends list,broken map(insert more here after patch)... |
drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.07.28 11:14:00 -
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Although I don't condone killer-tactics, I cannot profess hatred to any of them that haven't podded me. (all of the bar two).
If there were no killer-gangs, the highwaymen wouldn't look so polite and friendly 
I had to get 5 ships through Obe in two nights (for various reasons) and all I managed to lose was a bantam (instagibbed). The cruisers and stowers were okay.
And don't put to much stock in visitor passes. If the person you paid didn't tell anyone, and logs off, that pass is revoked.
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TMexx
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Posted - 2003.07.28 11:15:00 -
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Quote:
They destroyed a newbie in a condor and podded him as he travelled through this gate. He had only had EVE for 18 hours, and TankCEO podded him.
Could have been me; I was podded as newbie in a condor by M3G4 as well, though not in a 0.4 but 0.6 system.
But I tell you what: I basically enjoyed.
So far, EVE is rather boring for me. Having "the biggest one" was never a goal for me in any online game.
But developing far enough and joining the proper corp to kick ass as revenge, is a goal that might keep me hooked to EVE. 
So, "no to play nice rules", but "yes to keep the action going"!
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Zortiander
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Posted - 2003.07.28 15:56:00 -
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I think it is cool that you pirate guys exist. I hate people who blow up just because they like to but I do not complain. I rather do something about it. If my ship is shot more then 20 jumps from home I beg my attacker to pod-kill me so I can come home in a single instant, instead of loosing time jumping. And a clone is cheap!
So guys go on, please pirate it puts fun in the game. If you didn't exist, EVE (and these boards) wouldn't be fun! So go on, I love reading posts of carenears!
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CreepyLonghair
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Posted - 2003.07.28 16:57:00 -
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M3G4 pirates? 
The ones I've encountered were murderers not pirates. I'd have happily paid a few million to avoid the destruction of my Omen but instead I got zero dialogue and PK'd.
I've no problem with what they do but to call them pirates does the "real" pirates in Eve a terrible dishonour. I have to agree with the OP...they are pretty retarded.
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Lhyda Souljacker
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Posted - 2003.07.28 17:10:00 -
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Count yourself lucky if you missed out on dialouge from MEGA. You don't know how tired I am of seeing this:
Tank CEO > U****G!!!!
Anyway, Hanns, I'm glad you like stuff blowing up. I guess you must have really enjoyed having your MOA blown out from under you by the police.
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Kiran
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Posted - 2003.07.28 17:15:00 -
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I realy wish people would stop calling the PKers pirates. They are no way in any form pirates. More like griefers.
Pirates were given rewards by the rulling monarchy of the time for capturing enemy ships and disrupting shipping lanes. But the rulling boby who paid them could class them as criminals and so forgo the wrath of their supposed allies. You could say it is the first case of deniable operations during the time of exploration on the high seas.
The pkers in this game will destory any ship that crosses their path. A true Pirate would not waste their prescious ammuntion in killing it, rather let it go past with just a warning.
At the end of the day people will play the game how they see fit, but the PK'ers are just griefers and bullies no more or no less. And its time people stopped whining about them and start to take them down.
Kiran-" Damn where did that pirate go?"
Martican (co-pilot)-" He went behind those two big pink asteroids."
Kiran-"Will you stop taking the **** out of my fury dice?" |
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