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Pantiy
Corporate Scum Test Friends Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.03.24 18:18:00 -
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Nerds gonna nerd ~|~(~-á (~~|~-á-á -á |-á-á (__)-á-á-á |
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Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
72
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Posted - 2013.03.24 18:27:00 -
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Ager Agemo wrote:and only ******* 2 million kilometers of area destroyed!? what the **** was that titan made of? empty aluminium?
an object that size regardless of the speed and with the expected density should have anhilated half that planet population just on impact i mean it was orbiting at well over 1000 kms, that planet being similar to earth would make that piece accelerate to ludicrously high speeds and with that density... JUST 2 million kilometers!? and cosmetic damage to some buildings?
dont you read the news, this year a ******* 10 meter meteor passed by, it just passed over russia and blew the windows of all the city, given mass increases damage on a linear scale, dont you think the damage should be way higher?
If you want to be techinical, than in fact the wrecked hull of a Titan would likely disintegrate very easily on entry into a planets atmosphere, compared to a highly dense meteor. Have you ever seen the weight of a small shard from a meteor, those thing weigh a tonne. The most likely scenario in my imagination would be the Titan wreck would disintergrate on entry with only a few shards actually making it to the ground. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2013.03.24 18:40:00 -
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The pikes landing incident had an entire dreadnought disheartening before any major pieces fell to the ground.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2013.03.24 19:46:00 -
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You missed the 9,000km (Refer to the 'length of flaming debries' which can only have been in atmosphere) of atmospheric breaking that occured. The titan did not crash directly downwards into the planet but on a skippy orbit meaning it had a lot of time to shed velocity. You are also attempting to do a spherical volume/density calculation (& all failing badly) when you do not have a sphere, you have the original mass of the object already, and you have approximatly 1/3rd of the original object falling into the planet. This object also shed a significant portion of itself into smaller pieces along the way. So we are likely down to nearly 1/4 of the Titans original mass, & a much lower impact speed than any of your calculations are assuming. It also is believed to have impacted into a mountain range, allowing for mountain skipping potentially, breaking several ridges off before impacting spreading out the energy release of the impact. To top it off, since it is a Warp ship, Orbital/Escape velocities really don't apply, because it breaks conventional physics.
& this is without considering any remaining control systems & trapped crew utilising those systems to try and buy themselves & their friends additional time to make it to any remaining escape pods/etc. |
Nicky Scars
Budget Burials
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Posted - 2013.03.24 20:00:00 -
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Thur Barbek wrote:
Not to mention, eve is submarine physics... so the ship would be slowing down as it crashed.
You mean that titan actually slowly sank to a surface of the planet? |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2013.03.24 20:58:00 -
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Has anyone tried to do it backwards?
IE estimate the size speed or mass required to cause the current amount of damage?
Also lets just assume glass in eve is just a strong as some battle armor. After all its probably the same stuff they use to deflect micro-meteorites in space windows. This would significanly increase the amount of energy required to shatter it.
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Domina Trix
McKNOBBLER DRINKING CLAN
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:07:00 -
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Quote:If you want to be techinical, than in fact the wrecked hull of a Titan would likely disintegrate very easily on entry into a planets atmosphere, compared to a highly dense meteor. Have you ever seen the weight of a small shard from a meteor, those thing weigh a tonne. The most likely scenario in my imagination would be the Titan wreck would disintergrate on entry with only a few shards actually making it to the ground.
yet the titan seen in the dust video clearly did not completely disintegrate in fact a very large portion of it survived the impact with enough integrity to remain at an angle sticking out of the ground after that impact.
Whichever way anyone spins the maths the amount of damage done to the planet is far less than it should be given what was supposed to have happened. Two of the defining characteristics of a carebear are wanting other players to play the way the carebear wants and whining on the forums for the game to change when they don't. Yet I see more threads on these forums from gankers than I do miners whining about wanting the game changed to suit them. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4472
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:13:00 -
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Me watches the news feed for an explanation by an in role play expert.
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Fractal Muse
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
233
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:15:00 -
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What would the terminal velocity of a titan be crashing into Caldari Prime?
How much of the ship broke apart? How much of the ship is empty space? (corridors, rooms, storage, etc)
Would there be any kind of automatic fail safe measures that would fire upon entry in an atmosphere? (somehow I doubt it since a titan is a deep space ship.. but.. this is a 'special' titan anyway).
Would the crew who survived the space battle try anything to slow the ship down? Or would they try to speed it up? Would escape pods jettisoning from the wreck cause any kind of tangible effect on the rate of descent?
Without knowing all of the variables then all of these calculations are going to be all over the place - which they have been. :)
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Markus Reese
Incertae Sedis
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:29:00 -
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Domina Trix wrote:Quote:If you want to be techinical, than in fact the wrecked hull of a Titan would likely disintegrate very easily on entry into a planets atmosphere, compared to a highly dense meteor. Have you ever seen the weight of a small shard from a meteor, those thing weigh a tonne. The most likely scenario in my imagination would be the Titan wreck would disintergrate on entry with only a few shards actually making it to the ground. yet the titan seen in the dust video clearly did not completely disintegrate in fact a very large portion of it survived the impact with enough integrity to remain at an angle sticking out of the ground after that impact. Whichever way anyone spins the maths the amount of damage done to the planet is far less than it should be given what was supposed to have happened.
I am going back to the minimum control the ship had. True, it's shields were down, it was breaking up, and it's main drive system was gone.
However, if you wish to steer and maneuver something large and have control, auxiliary thrusters far from the center of gravity are required, plus backup contiginencies. Most battles happen over planets. It is not unfathomable the the Titans have redundant and isolated systems for attitude and control.
Simply put, the ship was too badly damaged to maintain orbit. It's main power was down. Power conduits to run the manuevering engines of a titan would be massive and an extreme liability. It is a most probable fact that each of these subsystems were independently powered.
Leviathan Components
Quite a number propulsion engines and power generators used in the construction of it. We also know that the main source of movement for a titan is it's jump engine system which has a direct fuel infusion system for it's operation.
Now as for the metals. Simply put, not all material into the process would be used in the end. There is waste scrap, the tooling needed for assembly etc. There are spaceyards full of this debris, not to mention complex alloys etc. that are formed in the production. I would need to actually spend the time to calculate out the overall densities and such and also read the details of the volume/mass densities to really comment. But that is time not interested in spending. |
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Servjen
Industrial and Mining Enterprises New Eden Research.
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Posted - 2013.03.24 21:36:00 -
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Ager Agemo wrote:and only ******* 2 million kilometers of area destroyed!? what the **** was that titan made of? empty aluminium?
an object that size regardless of the speed and with the expected density should have anhilated half that planet population just on impact i mean it was orbiting at well over 1000 kms, that planet being similar to earth would make that piece accelerate to ludicrously high speeds and with that density... JUST 2 million kilometers!? and cosmetic damage to some buildings?
dont you read the news, this year a ******* 10 meter meteor passed by, it just passed over russia and blew the windows of all the city, given mass increases damage on a linear scale, dont you think the damage should be way higher?
dude, 65 million years ago a sollid rock of stone, metal and others stuf hit eart with a greater speed then this titan could ever make with 1000 km of accelaration and this rock only ade a dent of 200 square km.
i mean compare the mass of that titan to the total mass of the planet, who is sollid to, and the planet dwarfs that mass and wins easely. the only reason whe are talking about 2 million square mile is because the titan broke up. This is where i put my signature, wright? |
Ager Agemo
Imperial Collective
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Posted - 2013.03.25 05:31:00 -
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about the terminal velocity it was stablished in eve LORE titans arent really flown near planet surface due to the fact their mass would **** up the planet weather, could someone not with negative galente standings check the distance from the planet surface to the titan last flying point before blowing up? as to know which exactly was the terminal velocity this data its far more important since an increase in velocity will square up the damage done. |
Ivy Romanova
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
833
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Posted - 2013.03.25 05:36:00 -
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Here. After composition of the replies of my fellow geeks . Here is the answer to your question regarding the ACTUAL effect of a TITAN SMASHING into Caldari Prime.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=218373&find=unread FFREEDOM!!!!! |
Raiz Nhell
Kangaroo Ate my baby Orchestrated Alliance
247
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Posted - 2013.03.25 05:54:00 -
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As the Titan still has a recognizable structure in the Dust video, it must have made a controlled, shielded atmospheric entry...
Followed by a really really bad landing...
Even if it struck the planet head on... a Titan is mostly empty space and atmosphere for crew... it will crumple and dissipate kinetic energy within itself (much like cars these days do)
You'd still experience a "bad day" if you happened to be on Caldari Prime though...
There is no such thing as a fair fight...
If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage. |
Kievan Arakyd
Nocturnal Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.03.25 10:26:00 -
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Sh!t is all wrong:
http://impact.ese.ic.ac.uk/cgi-bin/crater.cgi?dist=25&distanceUnits=1&diam=1356&diameterUnits=1&pdens=18&pdens_select=0&vel=.06&velocityUnits=1&theta=45&wdepth=&wdepthUnits=1&tdens=2750
Evelopedia lists a mass and volume for a caldari titan, from this you can get a density. Use that to calculate the rest (avg size of object with that density, 1.36 km diameter) and then plug it all in. Density is very low, only ~18kg/m^3. A titan is essentially, mostly empty space. Got my Dust514 key... |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
71
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Posted - 2013.03.25 10:59:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Ager Agemo wrote:[quote=Sentamon]
given 1 thousand kilometers to accelerate... without resistance, the impact speed will be several times the speed of sound actually... You forgot to add in the anti-gravitic/inertia distortion fied generators that slowed it down
Meh, the titan got destroyed, no no active warp drive and no fancy generators, gravitic distortion fileds, shields or anything else. Just a burning hunk of metal and slightly toxic composite materials + maybe the slightest bit of leftover antimatter from unused/not yet exploded Ammunittion. o_O
BB northern hemisphere. Luckily it didn't fell into an ocean, the Tsunami waves created by such a thing can be several miles high... o_O There's nothing a million chinese guys can't do cheaper. |
Captain Tardbar
NEWB ALERT
235
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Posted - 2013.03.25 11:22:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Ager Agemo wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Ager Agemo wrote:[quote=Sentamon]
given 1 thousand kilometers to accelerate... without resistance, the impact speed will be several times the speed of sound actually... You forgot to add in the anti-gravitic/inertia distorion fied generators that slowed it down and you forgot the part where the engineering section of the ship that powers it, blew up and thrusted the ship even faster downwards? Maybe you forgot the forward emergency engineering node all Titans have with last second inertia dampeners accelerators, of course
If Titans had such great inertia dampners and controls, why do they move like a baloon when Frigates bump them? "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. |
Forum Clone 77777
State War Academy Caldari State
72
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Posted - 2013.03.25 13:06:00 -
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Someone webbed the wreck with 20 vindicators so it only fell at 20m/s /thread. |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
496
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Posted - 2013.03.25 22:11:00 -
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The Titan crashed into Caldari Prime but did not disintegrate...because of Falcon. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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