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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
922
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Posted - 2013.03.17 16:11:00 -
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are some people immune to common sense or something |
Dave Stark
2024
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Posted - 2013.03.17 16:12:00 -
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not sure if the OP is a decent troll, or mentally challenged. Want miners to move from high sec to null sec? Then give them a reason to join player corps, and stop null sec grav sites being worth less isk/hour than high sec asteroid belts. Really isn't difficult. |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
175
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Posted - 2013.03.17 16:15:00 -
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Lashenadeeka wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:t is not an abuse of the buddy invite system on it's own, as confirmed by a GM. Is that so hard to understand? As confirmed by a GM BEFORE the T&C's were changed - is that so hard to understand? Still having reading comprehension problems?Lashenadeeka wrote:He made that alt 17 days ago. The new bullet point didn't exist back then.
Grimbriar Blitz wrote:Yes it did, otherwise I wouldn't have petitioned. It wasn't that hard, was it?
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2684
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Posted - 2013.03.17 16:15:00 -
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Lashenadeeka wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:t is not an abuse of the buddy invite system on it's own, as confirmed by a GM. Is that so hard to understand? As confirmed by a GM BEFORE the T&C's were changed - is that so hard to understand?
Confirmed by a GM 17 days ago. The Terms & Conditions were last revised on the 2nd of November, 2012 by GM Thunder. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2686
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Posted - 2013.03.17 16:16:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:not sure if the OP is a decent troll, or mentally challenged.
OP got upset earlier, so definately not a troll. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Lashenadeeka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2013.03.17 16:18:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Lashenadeeka wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:t is not an abuse of the buddy invite system on it's own, as confirmed by a GM. Is that so hard to understand? As confirmed by a GM BEFORE the T&C's were changed - is that so hard to understand? Confirmed by a GM 17 days ago. The Terms & Conditions were last revised on the 2nd of November, 2012 by GM Thunder.
Where does it say that? |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2686
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Posted - 2013.03.17 16:20:00 -
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Lashenadeeka wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Lashenadeeka wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:t is not an abuse of the buddy invite system on it's own, as confirmed by a GM. Is that so hard to understand? As confirmed by a GM BEFORE the T&C's were changed - is that so hard to understand? Confirmed by a GM 17 days ago. The Terms & Conditions were last revised on the 2nd of November, 2012 by GM Thunder. Where does it say that?
Here. The place where you can find everything you wanted to know about the rules of this game, which are updated across the board as soon as a change occurs. Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
Frostys Virpio
Lame Corp Name
347
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Posted - 2013.03.17 16:23:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:are some people immune to common sense or something
Thick Skull Hardener IV
Increase resistance to common sense by 200%. |
Lashenadeeka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2013.03.17 16:23:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Here. The place where you can find everything you wanted to know about the rules of this game, which are updated across the board as soon as a change occurs.
That page doesn't include the latest revision, here are the rules stated on the page:
Quote: Each paying account (trial accounts do not qualify for this promotion) can send Buddy Program invites. Only accounts created through this emailed invite are valid for this offer. Be sure your friends use the invite to create their account in order for you to earn your game time when they subscribe to EVE Online Eligible subscription activations can be funded by Credit/Debit cards, PayPal, WebMoney Transfer, paysafecard, ETC, PLEX, Nexon, Ukash and iDeal. Payments not eligible for this offer: Direct Debit, CD Keys, including CD Keys purchased or received from non-CCP sources and online stores such as, but not limited to: Steam Store, Direct2Drive, Gamers Gate, and Impulse Driven. You will need to have a paying account once your friend purchases an EVE Online subscription to receive your reward of a PLEX or 30 days. Some promotional offers are excluded as a form of activation for the Buddy Program; you will need to refer to each promotional offerGÇÖs Terms and Conditions. Please note that once your Buddy purchases an EVE Online subscription, your reward may take up to 24hours to be applied. CCP reserves the right to restrict eligibility for some rewards according to certain criteria, including but not limited to minimum account age or minimum client log-in time of the inviter. Scamming in any way or form through buddy invites is prohibited and violations of this rule will be handled accordingly by EVE Online Customer Support. Action will be taken against players who violate this rule and sanctions may include warnings or bans of the offending accounts. Abusing the Buddy System is considered an exploit and will not be tolerated. Incidents will be handled on a case by case basis and action taken may include bans for all accounts involved and/or confiscation of ISK and items. Abuse includes, but is not limited to; farming gifts, making throw-away alts for grief-play purposes.
And here are the rules stated in the terms and conditions on the "Buddy Program" page in account management
Terms and Conditions
Quote: Any paying EVE Online account may send Buddy Program invitations (trial accounts do not qualify for this promotion). Buddy accounts must be created using the links provided in the Buddy Program invitation email. Be sure your friends use a Buddy Program invitation to create their account in order for you to earn your game time when they subscribe to EVE Online. To be eligible for rewards, the new Buddy account needs to be activated and the subscription fee paid by using Credit/Debit cards, PayPal, WebMoney Transfer, paysafecard, ETC, PLEX, Nexon, Ukash, iDeal, Yandex, Amazon Game Connect and any additional payment methods accepted by CCP from time to time. To be eligible for the rewards, the Buddy account subscription fee may not be paid using any of the following methods: Direct Debit or CD Keys, including CD Keys purchased or received from non-CCP sources and online stores such as, but not limited to: Amazon starter pack, Steam Store, Direct2Drive, Gamers Gate, Impulse Driven. To receive your reward of an additional 30 daysGÇÖ game time, you will need to have an active, paying EVE Online account after your friend purchases the EVE Online Buddy subscription. CCP may offer the reward to you in the form of 30 daysGÇÖ additional game time, delivery of one PLEX to your account (which may be redeemed for 30 daysGÇÖ game time), or any similar method. Please note that once your Buddy purchases an EVE Online subscription, your reward may take up to 24 hours to be applied. CCP reserves the right to restrict eligibility for some rewards according to certain criteria, including but not limited to minimum account age or minimum client log-in time of the inviter. In addition, CCP reserves the right not to reward you with PLEX (such as when a new Buddy account is upgraded using PLEX). The Buddy Program is intended for you to encourage new players to join EVE Online. Violating the purpose of the Buddy Program in any way or form is prohibited. Violations of this rule will be handled by EVE Online Customer Support, and action will be taken against players who violate this rule (including, but not limited to, warnings or bans of the offending accounts). Abusing the Buddy System is considered an exploit and will not be tolerated. Incidents will be handled on a case by case basis and action taken may include bans for all accounts involved and/or confiscation of ISK and items. Abuse includes, but is not limited to, farming gifts and making throw-away alts for grief-play purposes.
I have highlighted the new addition.
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Orlacc
326
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Posted - 2013.03.17 16:57:00 -
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You can still use it for alts. Are you really that gullible? "Measure Twice, Cut Once." |
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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
494
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Posted - 2013.03.17 17:13:00 -
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Lashenadeeka wrote:Eighth bullet point in the buddy program list. Quote:The Buddy Program is intended for you to encourage new players to join EVE Online. Violating the purpose of the Buddy Program in any way or form is prohibited. Violations of this rule will be handled by EVE Online Customer Support, and action will be taken against players who violate this rule (including, but not limited to, warnings or bans of the offending accounts). I DO NOT remember this being there the last time I looked. Because inviting yourself is not encouraging new PLAYERS to join, it is violating the purpose of the Buddy Program and thusly bannable. So according to this new rule, we can no longer create alts whatsoever with the Buddy Program. CCP must clarify this issue and post an announcement regarding their stance or many players who are unaware of this change could potentially risk being banned.
They clarified a rule, it was clear to anyone with a brain that the buddy program was not meant to be used that way....
The single biggest danger to EVE is the proliferation of ALTS! Kill an alt today!
Petition for a Minimum bounty of 10 mil. Prevent useless bounties!
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Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
221
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Posted - 2013.03.17 18:12:00 -
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Beekeeper Bob wrote:Lashenadeeka wrote:Eighth bullet point in the buddy program list. Quote:The Buddy Program is intended for you to encourage new players to join EVE Online. Violating the purpose of the Buddy Program in any way or form is prohibited. Violations of this rule will be handled by EVE Online Customer Support, and action will be taken against players who violate this rule (including, but not limited to, warnings or bans of the offending accounts). I DO NOT remember this being there the last time I looked. Because inviting yourself is not encouraging new PLAYERS to join, it is violating the purpose of the Buddy Program and thusly bannable. So according to this new rule, we can no longer create alts whatsoever with the Buddy Program. CCP must clarify this issue and post an announcement regarding their stance or many players who are unaware of this change could potentially risk being banned. They clarified a rule, it was clear to anyone with a brain that the buddy program was not meant to be used that way....
Thats the thing, its not very clear it seems to say that using the program for anything other than inviting 100% new players isn't allowed but it doesn't clearly state that its prohibited to use it to create an alt - however in the past its been ok'd by CCP to use it for creating alts - I've checked the same thing before. So IMO it definitely needs some clarification.
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Dave Stark
2030
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Posted - 2013.03.17 18:18:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Dave Stark wrote:not sure if the OP is a decent troll, or mentally challenged. OP got upset earlier, so definately not a troll.
well, that only leaves one other option then... unfortunate. Want miners to move from high sec to null sec? Then give them a reason to join player corps, and stop null sec grav sites being worth less isk/hour than high sec asteroid belts. Really isn't difficult. |
Lashenadeeka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2013.03.17 18:45:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Dave Stark wrote:not sure if the OP is a decent troll, or mentally challenged. OP got upset earlier, so definately not a troll. well, that only leaves one other option then... unfortunate.
Someone who would deny themselves accurate information in a situation where clarification is needed is mentally challenged. Throughout the thread your only contributions have been to say that the issue does not need clarified. I believe it does - as do several others. Bury your head in the sand all you wish, but do it somewhere else. |
Dave Stark
2030
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Posted - 2013.03.17 18:49:00 -
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Lashenadeeka wrote:I believe it does
so you didn't make a petition because... Want miners to move from high sec to null sec? Then give them a reason to join player corps, and stop null sec grav sites being worth less isk/hour than high sec asteroid belts. Really isn't difficult. |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
221
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Posted - 2013.03.17 18:51:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Lashenadeeka wrote:I believe it does so you didn't make a petition because...
Because he was trying to make public awareness of it incase other people were under the impression they were/were still OK to use the program this way? not unreasonable if you've been playing eve long and/or read the forums much when it comes to making alts.
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Dimitryy
Ever Flow Northern Coalition.
80
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Posted - 2013.03.17 18:54:00 -
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Lashenadeeka wrote:Policy used to be that making alts using the buddy program was allowed. It's not clear at all because they haven't posted an announcement stating the change - it's basically entrapment if there has been an unannounced policy change.
Entrapment? I lol'd.
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Lashenadeeka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2013.03.17 19:21:00 -
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Rroff wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Lashenadeeka wrote:I believe it does so you didn't make a petition because... Because he was trying to make public awareness of it incase other people were under the impression they were/were still OK to use the program this way? not unreasonable if you've been playing eve long and/or read the forums much when it comes to making alts.
Indeed. I also made a petition but as this is an issue which effects not just me but everyone who might want to use the buddy program to make an alt (a not insignificant number of players) I felt a duty to ask for a public response from CCP. |
Dave Stark
2030
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Posted - 2013.03.17 19:23:00 -
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Rroff wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Lashenadeeka wrote:I believe it does so you didn't make a petition because... Because he was trying to make public awareness of it incase other people were under the impression they were/were still OK to use the program this way? not unreasonable if you've been playing eve long and/or read the forums much when it comes to making alts.
but if people are affected by this change, they're clearly abusing the system.
so you shouldn't warn them, in the same way you should go to ccp with your evidence of other rule breaking, rather than posting it on the forums.
surely. Want miners to move from high sec to null sec? Then give them a reason to join player corps, and stop null sec grav sites being worth less isk/hour than high sec asteroid belts. Really isn't difficult. |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2013.03.17 19:44:00 -
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Primary This Rifter wrote:You should probably delete that verbatim response and write it in a more general sense.
Nope, your not allowed to even mention that you had a GM conversation at all in a thread. Even if you don't post the words they used, you cannot mention the outcome or even that you had a conversation at all. This is coming directly from CCP Falcon also. |
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Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2013.03.17 19:46:00 -
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Lashenadeeka wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Dave Stark wrote:not sure if the OP is a decent troll, or mentally challenged. OP got upset earlier, so definately not a troll. well, that only leaves one other option then... unfortunate. Someone who would deny themselves accurate information in a situation where clarification is needed is mentally challenged. Throughout the thread your only contributions have been to say that the issue does not need clarified. I believe it does - as do several others. Bury your head in the sand all you wish, but do it somewhere else.
Dave Stark needs needs to be removed from the forums for constant trolling and simply being a idiot to anyone who asks a question. I don't think he has a helpful reply in any of his countless posts on this forum. Just ignore him. |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
221
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Posted - 2013.03.17 20:10:00 -
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Beginning to think your right hence his mention of people abusing the system in the reply to my post despite it being plain from this thread and many other threads in the past on the subject that its something thats been given the OK on in the past.
Even if thats down to misunderstanding, a change in the rules or how strict they are implementing the rules or whatever it still could do with some black and white clarification. |
Dave Stark
2033
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Posted - 2013.03.17 20:13:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:I don't think he has a helpful reply in any of his countless posts on this forum.
you should search my posts then. you'll see many, many helpful and informative posts [especially about mining]. Want miners to move from high sec to null sec? Then give them a reason to join player corps, and stop null sec grav sites being worth less isk/hour than high sec asteroid belts. Really isn't difficult. |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2084
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Posted - 2013.03.17 20:32:00 -
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Guys,
This is clearly concerning for you all, but please try and keep it civil in here.
I've asked for a Community team member to have a look, but it's the weekend, so there may be no reply till Monday.
Thanks. ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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GM Stardust
Game Masters C C P Alliance
2
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Posted - 2013.03.17 20:33:00 -
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Lashenadeeka wrote:Eighth bullet point in the buddy program list. Quote:The Buddy Program is intended for you to encourage new players to join EVE Online. Violating the purpose of the Buddy Program in any way or form is prohibited. Violations of this rule will be handled by EVE Online Customer Support, and action will be taken against players who violate this rule (including, but not limited to, warnings or bans of the offending accounts). I DO NOT remember this being there the last time I looked. Because inviting yourself is not encouraging new PLAYERS to join, it is violating the purpose of the Buddy Program and thusly bannable. So according to this new rule, we can no longer create alts whatsoever with the Buddy Program. CCP must clarify this issue and post an announcement regarding their stance or many players who are unaware of this change could potentially risk being banned.
To clarify: Using the Buddy Program to create an alt for yourself is not considered a violation of any rules! |
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Lashenadeeka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2013.03.17 20:39:00 -
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Thanks. I'm curious as to why the new bullet point has been added at all then, if nothing has changed? |
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GM Stardust
Game Masters C C P Alliance
7
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Posted - 2013.03.17 20:51:00 -
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Lashenadeeka wrote:Thanks. I'm curious as to why the new bullet point has been added at all then, if nothing has changed?
The Buddy Program actually has changed recently. We added the option for people to use public links in addition to the standard personal invite, and we had to make sure that the Terms and Conditions were updated to cover these changes.
So there really is nothing sinister going on here. We would love to see more people using the Buddy Program :) |
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Lashenadeeka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2013.03.17 21:02:00 -
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I will reference your posts here if any trouble occurs in future with my use of the buddy program to create alts.
However, I maintain that the 8th bullet is worded in a way which suggests that making alts would be a violation (as alts are not "new players") and I would strongly advise that it be reworded in order to avoid confusion of this nature in future. |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2084
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Posted - 2013.03.17 21:39:00 -
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Hi,
Now that this has been clarified, I'm going to lock this to stop it descending into further derailment.
Thanks all. ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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