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Xaexia Attor
C0WBOYS FROM H3LL
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Posted - 2013.01.31 00:13:00 -
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Ok so one of my real life best friends and I have been playing for a couple years now. We have at times gone different paths and pursued different goals. The one thing that has remained constant is we have both flown Machariels about the whole time.
I have more SPs invested in turret control (I have elite certs for it), and he does not, additionally I have +5 Large Turret Damage and +5 Turret All type hardwires, he has +3s. Otherwise our ships are the exact same. AC Specialization is the same, MM Battleship is the same, guns are the same, same ammo, even the damage mods on our ship are the exact same modules. How is he doing more dps then me? Like I said he is a RL friend and he is not lying when he tells me what his numbers are. Neither of us have a clue as to why he is ahead of me in damage output. Thoughts? (P.s. I have a slight edge on him in drones as well) But we are looking at turret damage...
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2740
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Posted - 2013.01.31 00:15:00 -
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maybe he knows how to fly his ship |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2013.01.31 00:17:00 -
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Its simple. Your friend is cheating. You should probably unfriend him on facebook while your at it, because he might be better at that than you too.
/thread. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Spurty
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
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Posted - 2013.01.31 00:29:00 -
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Randomness of the roll.
Dice are involved with guns. Missiles are flat rate.
For example: "spurty launches x5 ogre 2s from his rattlesnake. How much damage does each drone do to a super captial?"
A: 200 damage, B: 400 damage, C: 600 damage, D: 800 damage, E: 1,000 damage, F: 1,200 damage G: 1334 damage Or H: all of the above
Hint answer is (H)
Rub elbows with him. He's lucky --- GÇ£If you think this Universe is bad, you should see some of the others.GÇ¥ GÇò Philip K. **** |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2013.01.31 00:30:00 -
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Friend manages tracking better? Friend is closer in range (~11km closer improves DPS by 10% with 800ACs.) Friend remembers to turn on his tracking modules? Friend lets you shoot first against the higher resist shields, and he then shoots the armor which has lower resists? The RNG really loves him and/or hates you? You friend is quoting damage numbers in base 8? You friend is just throwing out random numbers while he's busy making out with your girlfriend?
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2013.01.31 00:40:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:You friend is just throwing out random numbers while he's busy making out with your girlfriend?
Heh. Malcanis for CSM 8 Phrases like "you can't nerf / buff X EVE is a Sandbox" have the same amount of meaning as "If this is a sack of potatoes then you can not carrot." - Alara IonStorm |
Xaexia Attor
C0WBOYS FROM H3LL
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Posted - 2013.01.31 00:44:00 -
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Thanks for the replys guys, no im talking about the DPS that the fitting manager is telling us, not in space mission running |
ACE McFACE
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2013.01.31 00:49:00 -
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Xaexia Attor wrote:Thanks for the replys guys, no im talking about the DPS that the fitting manager is telling us, not in space mission running Use faction ammo DUST514 isn't on PC because CCP wants 2 different communities influencing each other, not people tabbing out to give themselves Orbital Strikes. (Also they don't want to cannibalise their existing playerbase) |
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
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Posted - 2013.01.31 00:59:00 -
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Xaexia Attor wrote:Thanks for the replys guys, no im talking about the DPS that the fitting manager is telling us, not in space mission running Implants? |
Cindy Marco
Expanse Security
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Posted - 2013.01.31 05:16:00 -
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Do you guys have the same drones? If he fit 4 heavies and you fit several waves of lights that would make about ~150 dps difference. |
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TharOkha
0asis Group
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Posted - 2013.01.31 05:33:00 -
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Damn you-¦re ugly GÇ£If reality can destroy the dream, why shouldn't the dream destroy reality?GÇ¥ |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
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Posted - 2013.01.31 05:44:00 -
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Xaexia Attor wrote:Thanks for the replys guys, no im talking about the DPS that the fitting manager is telling us, not in space mission running
Depending on CCP to give you accurate Intel is like expecting Microsoft to get the operating system released bug free on the first try.....Hmm, that's two things they have in common.....
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Radamant Nemess
Leteci prasici
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Posted - 2013.01.31 13:04:00 -
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Maybe your friend overloads his guns? |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2013.01.31 13:08:00 -
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Hail and Barrage are much much different.. Just fyi :P |
Alahril
Crypto-Fascist Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.01.31 13:45:00 -
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So why aren't you fitting t2 guns if you got all to 5? I think he is leing and he got some 5s. |
WarlockX
Free Trade Corp
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Posted - 2013.01.31 19:08:00 -
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there are a million reasons it could be more , implants, drones, ammo... |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2013.01.31 19:19:00 -
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Xaexia Attor wrote:I'm talking about the DPS that the fitting manager is telling us, not in space mission running I am guessing you are making some mistake somewhere on something which might look trivial but isn't.
Re-check that you have the same ammo selected, that all implants are actually the ones that fit to the weapons, that the guns are really the same, that you're both using the same drones, and so on.
Better still, post screenshots of both pilots' full fits, implant list and listed DPS values.
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2013.01.31 19:31:00 -
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You can use tools like EFT and PYFA to test fittings and explore them and experiment on them. These tools let you query your characters' skill sets and implants and will tell you exactly how much DPS they do and which skill / module / bonus are being applied.
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Posta Wifda Mosta
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.31 19:39:00 -
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Perhaps his gun is longer then yours and he gets better penetration? |
Leetha Layne
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Posted - 2013.01.31 19:45:00 -
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Are Gallente BS the same? |
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Xaexia Attor
C0WBOYS FROM H3LL
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Posted - 2013.02.01 14:22:00 -
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Sorry for the couple day delay in replying guys. RL and all that jazz.
We are comparing each other openly and honestly. Using same build damage wise:
Tech II guns, RF Gyros, Same Ammo for this comparison we have both been loading rf emp (No Damage Rigs in use)
He has +3 slot 9 and 10 gunnery hardwires, I have the +5s
My gunnery skills are ahead of him by a decent amount.
The fitting manager is telling us under turret dps that he is doing 50 more dps than I. While this is minute and negligible, it drives me crazy that all in all I have far more invested into turret skills then he, and he is somehow doing more.
If we added drones I would be out dpsing him hands down.
I doubt this effects it but his perception is two more than I. Our Willpower is the same.
He has zero reason to lie to me about this.
And yes I am ugly. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.02.01 14:25:00 -
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Xaexia Attor wrote:My gunnery skills are ahead of him by a decent amount.
Okay, but do you have Rapid Firing and Surgical Strike trained at a higher level? Do you have large arty/AC spec at least at IV?
Xaexia Attor wrote:I doubt this effects it but his perception is two more than I. Our Willpower is the same.
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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
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Posted - 2013.02.01 14:29:00 -
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Random and somewhat stupid game mechanic...me and my alt using same everithing with stoped ships with optimal of sansha station with sig rad of moon and both have low hits or one have exelent another horrible...stupid is stupid.
ie game engine just decide that your ship,fit,skills doesnt matter some times...just for the fun of it "it put ore down in can or it gets the hose again"
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Whitehound
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Posted - 2013.02.01 14:42:00 -
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If you only post the information of which you know is not helping you, then how do you expect us to find your problem?
Please do make screenshots of your fitting as seen on the fitting screen and in the fittings browser.
... I know that the fitting manager does have some problems with calculating drone DPS properly, because it cannot see which drones you will actually be using and also does not know which the best mix for a given bandwidth is. This can lead to different numbers, too. SCAM CAT - Titan Jump - I was there - Goon Dog |
Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
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Posted - 2013.02.01 14:47:00 -
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post a link to you and your mates eveboard |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2013.02.01 15:20:00 -
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Riedle wrote:post a link to you and your mates eveboard Yep, you are likely missing something small but critical in your skills where he is gaining the advantage (the ship fits themselves are easy to compare so I'm assuming no mistake there although perhaps we should look at those too including rigs). To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3467
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Posted - 2013.02.01 15:21:00 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:Random and somewhat stupid game mechanic...me and my alt using same everithing with stoped ships with optimal of sansha station with sig rad of moon and both have low hits or one have exelent another horrible...stupid is stupid.
ie game engine just decide that your ship,fit,skills doesnt matter some times...just for the fun of it At what point did any part of your post actually make logical sense to you?
Math is math. If there is a difference there is a reason for it. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
254
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Posted - 2013.02.01 17:24:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Mina Sebiestar wrote:Random and somewhat stupid game mechanic...me and my alt using same everithing with stoped ships with optimal of sansha station with sig rad of moon and both have low hits or one have exelent another horrible...stupid is stupid.
ie game engine just decide that your ship,fit,skills doesnt matter some times...just for the fun of it At what point did any part of your post actually make logical sense to you? Math is math. If there is a difference there is a reason for it.
Iam sure there is reason for it just not in math..look one dont even have to compare pilots performanse take Mina here click bio and check hardest hit on static tower 24000-25000 alpha monster...then,pay attention what i wrote next...nothing changes N A D A,zip,zero,0..next mina hit is 8000alpha irrelevant difference of oh,16000alpha is just gone.
it is like on first strike i got officer gyros instaled and 15sec latr i got none gyros instaled,not just that its like im unskiled to fly ship,and dont forget that me and target are static with perfect conditions all movement mechanic dont play any role.
Nao add another player on the mix using same ship and fit and you got cirkus of lol and i cant believe this crap,it is so much lol...mina score 16000,alt apmost miss the tower wrecking it for 7000,LOL never stops.
hit quality always tick(and buypassing skills) no matter do you shoot stilleto,moon,planet nor does that planet went bezerk and is running thru system or is standing still one will still manage to loose hope of any logical outcome shooting one!
Explained enough? "it put ore down in can or it gets the hose again"
Leeloo Dallas Multipass - "Big bada boom"
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Thutmose I
Paxton Industries Gentlemen's Agreement
10
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Posted - 2013.02.01 17:30:00 -
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the eve fitting window will say the same damage, for the same fit, with same skills/implants/ammo/etc. Exceptional treatment by Lady Luck is not factored into the number given there.
Your two fittings may have something else factoring damage which you are unaware of.
It will not say "dps range of 0 (you miss every time) to 4x normal (or whatever maximum damage hit does compare to normal)" |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2013.02.02 11:14:00 -
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Whitehound wrote: If you only post the information of which you know is not helping you, then how do you expect us to find your problem? Please do make screenshots of your fitting as seen on the fitting screen and in the fittings browser.... I know that the fitting manager does have some problems with calculating drone DPS properly, because it cannot see which drones you will actually be using and also does not know which the best mix for a given bandwidth is. This can lead to different numbers, too. THIS.
Mina Sebiestar wrote:hardest hit on static tower 24000-25000 alpha monster...then,pay attention what i wrote next...nothing changes N A D A,zip,zero,0..next mina hit is 8000alpha irrelevant difference of oh,16000alpha is just gone. Turret damage ranges from 50% of paper base damage to 150% of paper base damage for 99% of the hits against structure targets (chance of each damage being pretty much the same in the entire range), and 300% of paper base damage for 1% of the hits ("wrecking shots"). So, while unlikely, it is still POSSIBLE to get the exact same pilot dealing X damage in one volley (all hits at minimum damage) and next hit could then deal 6*X damage (all wrecking shots) when attacking a structure (100% chance to score a hit). Yes, it is POSSIBLE (but highly unlikely) to get a six-fold damage difference in subsequent volleys against structures. The more turrets are involved in the volley, the more improbable this is (i.e. with 5 turrets, it's literally a "one in ten billion volleys" situation for all to simultaneously score wrecking shots, while the lowest roll is similarly unlikely, making that combo as good as impossible to happen more than, or even just once in the entire lifetime of the game... and it only gets more improbable from there for more turrets).
In comparison, you're talking of just a X vs 3*X damage difference. That could as well be the "good" hit having 2 wreckings and rest pretty good hits, and the next having mostly bad hits. The odds of that happening are more along the lines of once every few dozens of millions of volleys. Very infrequently happening, but certainly COULD happen even with a perfect RNG. And since the RNG is not that perfect, it might actually happen even more often. http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/User:Akita_T T2 BPO poll: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=114789 Buying this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=147098 |
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