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raven666wings
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.02.04 19:01:00 -
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Darth Gustav wrote:Pretty glad I saw this as a scam when it was originally announced.
muahahahahahah yeah dude, me too, but then i saw this guy coming up with this
CCP Bro said:
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73485
"The biggest misconception I see out there is the following: GÇ£CCP is only hosting this tournament to make some quick cash off the PLEX entry fee. This is not true in any way, shape, or form."
and suddenly it seemed 100% legit . I was like Yeah, keep telling that to urself Bro... ROFL :D
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Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
2154
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Posted - 2013.02.04 19:08:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Not to be a **** to CCP or anything but it's pretty pathetic that prizes still haven't been paid out.
I'm guessing CCP will be eating the 10k own3d is reneging on, so good for you but really this should've been sorted months ago. You may have missed the news article explaining that Own3d owes a lot of people money but the explanation is likely in the OP. Hope that helps.
Apparently, since they took the PLEX for entry fees for a contest they agreed to pay out for, CCP owes some people some money too.
The money for the prizes should have been placed in an escrow-style fund before the tournament, let alone in time for the obligatory payout. This is business 101. In fact, the prize money should have been in place before CCP accepted any PLEX whatsoever as an entry fee.
Isn't there some kind of international business law to cover false advertisement of a loss leader? It seems to me that CCP's responsibility is extremely plain here. They took money in the form of PLEX as an entry fee for a contest with an advertised prize payout. What do they think, they can just not pay?
As mentioned above, we were absolutely assured that CCP was not just doing this to stimulate their sale of PLEX. That appears pretty misrepresentative to my lowly consumer eyes now, though, unless CCP is extremely forthcoming with the afore-promised prize money.
Sorry about your business partner, CCP, the debt's still real though. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Ashterothi
Aideron Robotics
160
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Posted - 2013.02.04 19:28:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:How many wings does your raven have? Also did you even win anything? My Raven was equipped with the following:
HIGH 06 x Cruise Missile Launcher I 01 x SMALL TRACTOR BEAM 1 01 x SALVAGER I
MEDIUM 04 x LARGE SHIELD EXTENDERS 01 x 'HYPHNOS' ECM 01 x MEDIUM SHIELD BOOSTER
LOW 01 x EMERGENCY DAMAGE CONTROL 01 x ARMOR KINETIC HARDENER I 01 x ARMOR THREMIC HARDENER I 02 x WARP CORE STABILIZER I
DRONES 02 x WARRIOR I DRONES 03 x HAMMERHEAD I DRONES
UPGRADES 01 x ROCKET FUEL CACHE PARTINTION I 01 x BAY LOADING ACCELERATOR I Aideron Robotics is hiring for the Gallente Federation war effort! https://www.aideronrobotics.com/wiki/Applying |
raven666wings
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2013.02.04 19:33:00 -
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Im sure that under either Icelandic or International laws it is illegal for any service providing company (be it entertainment or any other kind) to entice costumers into buying their product using a contest with unfullfilled rewards (scam). If this turns out to be the case here with CCP not honoring their agreeement i believe all the people who are entitled to receive their money rewards are in the right to press charges with the authorities to try and get their share. |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
2155
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Posted - 2013.02.04 19:44:00 -
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raven666wings wrote:Im sure that under either Icelandic or International laws it is illegal for any service providing company (be it entertainment or any other kind) to entice costumers into buying their product using a contest with unfullfilled rewards (scam). If this turns out to be the case here with CCP not honoring their agreeement i believe all the people who are entitled to receive their money rewards are in the right to press charges with the authorities to try and get their share. Further, I think all the people who bid with PLEX to enter a fraudulent tournament would be entitled to their monies back, too. This has the potential to cost CCP a whole lot more than what they seem to be refusing to pay out in prize money.
That's why I'm so baffled that a multimillion dollar corporation would even appear to renege on such a skimpy amount of prize money. It just makes no sense when you look at the potential cost of this blunder. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
raven666wings
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2013.02.04 19:56:00 -
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Yeah any company that is in stable financial position will ever pull this out to their costumers/employees, by the novel they are making outta this one is lead to misjudge that they are also in bankruptcy like 0wn3d. I even went and topped their account with 10k
raven666wings wrote:2013.02.04 14:36:37Player Donation-10.000,00 ISK[r] raven666wings deposited cash into C C P's account
Wonder whats holding them back from paying up now |
Demolishar
United Aggression
776
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Posted - 2013.02.04 19:57:00 -
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They should pay the reward using a percentage of the entry PLEX. |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
2155
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:03:00 -
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Demolishar wrote:They should pay the reward using a percentage of the entry PLEX. They already said in the Dev Blog about the New Eden Open that the entry PLEX were being used to rent production equipment and build a set.
Their business partner Own3d was to provide the prize money. For both companies, this was likely a loss leader.
So, again, too bad about CCP's business partner.
But their obligation to their paying customers seems absolutely unambiguous.
Their apparent failure to meet that obligation just looks cheap and tacky. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2149
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:39:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Not to be a **** to CCP or anything but it's pretty pathetic that prizes still haven't been paid out.
I'm guessing CCP will be eating the 10k own3d is reneging on, so good for you but really this should've been sorted months ago. You may have missed the news article explaining that Own3d owes a lot of people money but the explanation is likely in the OP. Hope that helps.
No, I don't think it does.
It doesn't matter who is in the wrong. It's CCPs name at the top of the contest page and it's CCP who took the fees. It is CCP that will suffer if these prizes are not awarded.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
raven666wings
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2013.02.04 20:44:00 -
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LOL go Mr Epeen :DDD |
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raven666wings
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2013.02.04 21:18:00 -
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Confess I didn't read that news article to the full extent but i'll try not to miss the one that's gonna state that CCP owes a lot of ppl money. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
3035
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Posted - 2013.02.05 00:00:00 -
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An interesting thing about dissolving a business and paying out creditors is that the administrator needs to pursue creditors, then handle the creditors in order of priority. Sometimes it takes a while to settle debts, and sometimes creditors only get a partial payout (e.g.: 50 cents to the dollar).
It might be possible that CCP wants to wait for such a payout before digging into its own pockets for the prize funds (since one party of a joint project paying out the obligation to creditors might be construed as the debt obligation being met, I am no corporate lawyer but I have seen this happen).
Just hang in there, prize winners. Trust CCP to do the right thing by you, and post to let them know the you are trusting them to do the right thing, wish them lick with the settlement, etc. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2156
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Posted - 2013.02.05 00:24:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote: You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
Sadly, corporate entities are more akin to Dung Beetles than flies. And you know what you need to catch them, don't you?
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Molinator Agnon
X-Type Prospectors
25
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Posted - 2013.02.05 01:08:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Mara Rinn wrote: You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Sadly, corporate entities are more akin to Dung Beetles than flies. And you know what you need to catch them, don't you? Mr Epeen Logical fallacies?
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Revajin
15 Minute Outliers Novus Dominatum
70
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Posted - 2013.02.05 03:44:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Mara Rinn wrote: You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Sadly, corporate entities are more akin to Dung Beetles than flies. And you know what you need to catch them, don't you? Mr Epeen
I think you need to read up on Dung Beetles. |
Nwimie Sklor
Atomic Heroes The G0dfathers
1
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Posted - 2013.02.05 16:12:00 -
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well its 9 days after CCP responded in this thread and still nothing. not evan a courteous eve mail to let players involved know whats happening. Infact ZERO contact with players since the tournament. I for one am VERY dissapointed in CCP's slow action and zero contact. I fully understand somethings cant happen over night , but to be kept upto date would atleast be polite.
tornament was great and fun but the after care for players appalling to say the least.
+1 slightly disgruntled eve player.
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Teardrop Butterfly
Vengeful Swan
47
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Posted - 2013.02.06 15:44:00 -
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Gogela wrote:[quote=BadAssMcKill]Then you get these **** degenerates like the CEO of OwnedTV. Contracts are only honored in-so-much as they can technically be enforced. If you don't have verification enforcement clauses with them on every little thing they will find a loophole and **** you on a contract. In this case, the CEO saw the ship was going down in July at the LATEST. That did not effect business as usual. They still created contracts... promised people their due payments... etc... However, it's my contention that the decision was made in July that OwnedTV would no longer honor their financial obligations. Instead, the pay is increased for the executives to drain every last drop of capital from the company. In the meantime, OwnedTV pions are oblivious and continuing to work thinking they have a job. Partners continue to fulfill their obligations and produce content or whatever for OwnedTV thinking they are going to be compensated. All that work and effort is put forth while OwnedTV promises it's a glitch in the payment system or some other nonsense, when OwnedTV's executives know damn well they aren't going to pay for it. In bankruptcy, those obligations are nullified as the company's few remaining assets are liquidated and only the preferred AAA shareholders (again, the executives only) are compensated. People holding non-preferred securities, creditors, employees, and partners are left holding the bag. It's a scam. ...and it's technically legal.
Whenever one of my clients is a business partner of a company like this I present a winding up petition against it, force it into compulsory liquidation and ensure that an insolvency practitioner I have a good relationship is appointed by the Official Receiver.
I then get the IP to make applications under sections 212 onwards of the Insolvency Act to make the directors (executives) personally liable for the debt for fraudulent or insolvent trading and have my client bankrupt them on principle afterwards in order to take their houses to pay off the debt from any available equity. I then sit back and wait to see how long they are disqualified from being a director for, and whether the IP/OR wishes to try and bring criminal sanctions against them involving custodial sentences.
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Killboard |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
895
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Posted - 2013.02.06 15:53:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Just hang in there, prize winners. Trust CCP to do the right thing by you, and post to let them know the you are trusting them to do the right thing, wish them lick with the settlement, etc. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
Here we go again. 8 month's of bumping a thread to get the winners of a contest their prize. (I'm referring to a reward some people won a fanfest or 2 ago which took CCP 8 month's, minus a week, to deliver.)
Edit: sad thing is that they're not to blame this time. They trusted the wrong guys. So typically.... EVE. Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2178
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Posted - 2013.02.06 16:02:00 -
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Pak Narhoo wrote:
Edit: sad thing is that they're not to blame this time. They trusted the wrong guys. So typically.... EVE. CCP
I think it's a decent fix,no? |
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CCP Dolan
C C P C C P Alliance
260
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Posted - 2013.02.06 16:12:00 -
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An announcement has been made here regarding the prizes for the New Eden Open. CCP Dolan | Community Representative
Twitter: @CCPDolan
Gooby pls |
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Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1136
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Posted - 2013.02.06 16:23:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Not to be a **** to CCP or anything but it's pretty pathetic that prizes still haven't been paid out.
I'm guessing CCP will be eating the 10k own3d is reneging on, so good for you but really this should've been sorted months ago. You may have missed the news article explaining that Own3d owes a lot of people money but the explanation is likely in the OP. Hope that helps. No, I don't think it does. It doesn't matter who is in the wrong. It's CCPs name at the top of the contest page and it's CCP who took the fees. It is CCP that will suffer if these prizes are not awarded. Mr Epeen
Let's be real, here... CCP won't "suffer" unless a class action lawsuit is filed against them as a result of what appears to be either shady business practices or supremely stupid business decisions. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." -á --- Sorlac |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3494
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Posted - 2013.02.06 16:30:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Not to be a **** to CCP or anything but it's pretty pathetic that prizes still haven't been paid out.
I'm guessing CCP will be eating the 10k own3d is reneging on, so good for you but really this should've been sorted months ago. You may have missed the news article explaining that Own3d owes a lot of people money but the explanation is likely in the OP. Hope that helps. No, I don't think it does. It doesn't matter who is in the wrong. It's CCPs name at the top of the contest page and it's CCP who took the fees. It is CCP that will suffer if these prizes are not awarded. Mr Epeen Let's be real, here... CCP won't "suffer" unless a class action lawsuit is filed against them as a result of what appears to be either shady business practices or supremely stupid business decisions. Fortunately it's a moot point now.
The prizes are being awarded by CCP.
I'm very sorry they got stuck with an unexpected 10K expenditure, and I hope that it will not affect their decisions regarding future open tournaments... but on the other hand I am very happy for the prize winners.
I knew CCP would take care of the issue, my only concern was how long it would take due to legal considerations. I'm glad it's finally sorted (or will be in the next couple of weeks). To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Barkaial Starfinder
Eixo do Mal
36
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Posted - 2013.02.06 16:40:00 -
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Thank you CCP. Now that Raven guy can shut up. |
Revajin
15 Minute Outliers Novus Dominatum
74
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Posted - 2013.02.06 17:01:00 -
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CCP Dolan wrote:An announcement has been made here regarding the prizes for the New Eden Open.
So much vitriol over nothing it seems. Lawl. |
raven666wings
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2013.02.06 17:46:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
Mr Epeen wrote:Mara Rinn wrote: You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Sadly, corporate entities are more akin to Dung Beetles than flies. And you know what you need to catch them, don't you? Mr Epeen
LMFAO |
raven666wings
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2013.02.06 18:27:00 -
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CCP Dolan wrote:Winners should look to receive an email containing information on their cash prizes within the next 10-14 business days.
Topic is locked indefinitely. (or at least for another 14 days)
Further troll will be blocked, poor winner is poor kkthx |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2182
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Posted - 2013.02.06 18:35:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Not to be a **** to CCP or anything but it's pretty pathetic that prizes still haven't been paid out.
I'm guessing CCP will be eating the 10k own3d is reneging on, so good for you but really this should've been sorted months ago. You may have missed the news article explaining that Own3d owes a lot of people money but the explanation is likely in the OP. Hope that helps. No, I don't think it does. It doesn't matter who is in the wrong. It's CCPs name at the top of the contest page and it's CCP who took the fees. It is CCP that will suffer if these prizes are not awarded. Mr Epeen Let's be real, here... CCP won't "suffer" unless a class action lawsuit is filed against them as a result of what appears to be either shady business practices or supremely stupid business decisions.
I'm going to guess based on your money-centric viewpoint and the fact that you only think of the legal ramifications that you are American and young.
There are many more ways that a company can commit corporate suicide than that. Some of which I and others have touched on in this thread. CCP understands this and so we have the post from Dolan.
In any case, It's nice to see that a good poke in the forum can still get a company motivated to do the right thing.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
3495
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Posted - 2013.02.06 19:41:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:Not to be a **** to CCP or anything but it's pretty pathetic that prizes still haven't been paid out.
I'm guessing CCP will be eating the 10k own3d is reneging on, so good for you but really this should've been sorted months ago. You may have missed the news article explaining that Own3d owes a lot of people money but the explanation is likely in the OP. Hope that helps. No, I don't think it does. It doesn't matter who is in the wrong. It's CCPs name at the top of the contest page and it's CCP who took the fees. It is CCP that will suffer if these prizes are not awarded. Mr Epeen Let's be real, here... CCP won't "suffer" unless a class action lawsuit is filed against them as a result of what appears to be either shady business practices or supremely stupid business decisions. I'm going to guess based on your money-centric viewpoint and the fact that you only think of the legal ramifications that you are American and young. There are many more ways that a company can commit corporate suicide than that. Some of which I and others have touched on in this thread. CCP understands this and so we have the post from Dolan. In any case, It's nice to see that a good poke in the forum can still get a company motivated to do the right thing. Mr Epeen Well done.
Taking credit for CCP doing what they would likely have done anyway is not always easy.
It might have been a little more convincing if the thread in question was a little more than 5 pages though. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
2182
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Posted - 2013.02.06 19:57:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:It might have been a little more convincing if the thread in question was a little more than 5 pages though.
I think the fact that CCP has learned to not let a thread become a festering sore in it's side to be picked up by the gaming media is the convincing thing. This is a positive step for them to acknowledge that threadnaught damage control is inefficient and painful. To look beyond today and see the ramifications of their actions for the future.
I am pleased to see them doing this finally after many well documented and humiliating lessons.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Revajin
15 Minute Outliers Novus Dominatum
75
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Posted - 2013.02.06 21:36:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:It might have been a little more convincing if the thread in question was a little more than 5 pages though. I think the fact that CCP has learned to not let a thread become a festering sore in it's side to be picked up by the gaming media is the convincing thing. This is a positive step for them to acknowledge that threadnaught damage control is inefficient and painful. To look beyond today and see the ramifications of their actions for the future. I am pleased to see them doing this finally after many well documented and humiliating lessons. Mr Epeen
This five page thread has saved us all. Did you read about Dung Beetles yet? They're nature's heroes as well as galactic navigators. |
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