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Elisa Fir
Luminoctis
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Posted - 2012.12.30 18:41:00 -
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Hello fellow explorers,
I'll be quitting EVE (no, this is not a scam) and I thought it would be nice to publish my own little contribution to the numbers game.
SUMMARY I've created an excel sheet that predicts the maximum attainable signature strength, based on your character's Skill, Implants, Ship, Equipment and number of probes used. The formula presented is an empirical one: it is based on hours of in-game measurements and gives the correct results, but it is not the actual formula used; just a (very precise) approximation.
DOWNLOAD EFE files: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1212/SignatureStength_v2.5.zip
THE NUMBERS The formulas have been confirmed to give the correct results, up to four significant digits, for EVE Retribution (v1.0.7). I made sure the predicted results will never be larger than the actual observed numbers.
Maximum Signal Reported Strength = Base Sensor Strength +ù Signature Strength +ù Probe Multiplier Where: Base Sensor Strength = the strength of your probes + skills + ship, etc Signature Strength = the strength of the signature, these come in several different bands Probe Multiplier = a / (b + (Number of Probes + c)^d) - offset With: a = 2.271279673850E-09 b = 1.123440052119E-09 c = 13.425237706172 d = -7.730882605523 offset = 0.766607925235
THANKS AND CREDITS Those who came before me: GÇó Hoshi, for explaining the scan formulas in Revelations; GÇó Space Wanderer, for explaining the Apocrypha formula (and working on the current actual formula right now); GÇó Miss Moonwych, for creating the excel sheet (latest?) that once inspired mine.
So long, and thanks for all the fish.
~Elisa Fir |
kick2
In Exile.
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Posted - 2012.12.30 18:51:00 -
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Thanks...and Good Luck Elisa! |
Raven Firestar
Hidden Treasure's
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Posted - 2013.01.02 19:45:00 -
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very useful thank you |
Forgotten N Forsaken
Zervas Aeronautics WHY so Seri0Us
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Posted - 2013.01.02 21:17:00 -
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Simply Awesome, Nice work, Thanks and Good luck out there |
Zerese Aleacosu
Gagglefack Inc
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Posted - 2013.01.02 21:20:00 -
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Very good build and very up-to-date. +1.
As I suggested before, a rookie tutorial on how to use this would be most helpful. For one who knows what they are looking at, it is self-explanatory. For a rookie, it probably looks like a calculator and a science book had an orgy and this is the fluid result. |
Forgotten N Forsaken
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.10 06:25:00 -
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Figured i would bring this back to life one more time. Awesome thread good data. Simple to understand if you got a bit of logic in ya. |
Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.01.15 08:54:00 -
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Interesting and a nicely laid out and clear spreadsheet.
One question: How are you meant to use this information in a real exploration sense?
Is it to show you what you potentially can scan down (based on getting to 100% on the scan strengths?).
What I'm asking is that do you use this spreadsheet in conjunction with the site scan strength list (can't remember who's it is or have link) ? Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html |
St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.15 13:31:00 -
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Hazen Koraka wrote:Interesting and a nicely laid out and clear spreadsheet.
One question: How are you meant to use this information in a real exploration sense?
Is it to show you what you potentially can scan down (based on getting to 100% on the scan strengths?).
What I'm asking is that do you use this spreadsheet in conjunction with the site scan strength list (can't remember who's it is or have link) ? Hello, is it me you're looking for? 'Cause I wonder where the sites are And I wonder what you do Are you somewhere scanning wormholes or is someone stealing your loot?
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp/
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Hazen Koraka
HK Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.01.17 08:20:00 -
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St Mio wrote:Hazen Koraka wrote:Interesting and a nicely laid out and clear spreadsheet.
One question: How are you meant to use this information in a real exploration sense?
Is it to show you what you potentially can scan down (based on getting to 100% on the scan strengths?).
What I'm asking is that do you use this spreadsheet in conjunction with the site scan strength list (can't remember who's it is or have link) ? Hello, is it me you're looking for? 'Cause I wonder where the sites are And I wonder what you do Are you somewhere scanning wormholes or is someone stealing your loot? http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp/
Yes! How could I forget! :D Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html |
Stenly Korn
Morning dew in may
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Posted - 2013.01.23 09:16:00 -
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Sorry if my question is too noobish, but how these figures can help me in exploration? |
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Hazen Koraka
Veritex Industrial Inc.
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Posted - 2013.01.23 17:54:00 -
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It's how you gauge what the kind of site it is you are scanning down when it is "unknown". These values you can get a "feel" of what a site will be, before you actually scan it down to it giving a site type or description. If you explore a lot, you will know what I mean.
Also, if you are well into scanning, as St Mio will tell you, it will help to find out what sites are "good" when using deep space probes and frequency bands (I can't comment here, I only have scanning to 4 at the moment). Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html |
Batelle
Concordiat
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Posted - 2013.01.23 21:54:00 -
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I also do not understand the point of this. My best guess is that this lets you use your probe strength to distinguish signature strength bands for those whom haven't trained astro 5 for DSPs.
Hazen Koraka wrote:It's how you gauge what the kind of site it is you are scanning down when it is "unknown". These values you can get a "feel" of what a site will be, before you actually scan it down to it giving a site type or description. If you explore a lot, you will know what I mean.
Considering that (almost) every signature band has multiple signature types, whatever "feel" you get is not useful. "Hard" combat site vs "Hard" grav vs "Hard" radar.... does absolutely nothing for you. Fighting is Magic |
Hazen Koraka
Veritex Industrial Inc.
175
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Posted - 2013.01.24 08:19:00 -
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Batelle wrote:I also do not understand the point of this. My best guess is that this lets you use your probe strength to distinguish signature strength bands for those whom haven't trained astro 5 for DSPs. Hazen Koraka wrote:It's how you gauge what the kind of site it is you are scanning down when it is "unknown". These values you can get a "feel" of what a site will be, before you actually scan it down to it giving a site type or description. If you explore a lot, you will know what I mean.
Considering that (almost) every signature band has multiple signature types, whatever "feel" you get is not useful. "Hard" combat site vs "Hard" grav vs "Hard" radar.... does absolutely nothing for you.
Agreed, though I can tell you 80% of the time if what I'm scanning down will turn into either a jaspet grav, or an unknown wormhole, by how quickly the sig strength goes up as I scan with my method. Exploration is Random. Random is Random... or is it?! http://docs.python.org/2/library/random.html |
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