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Sibius Aidon
Prototype Concept
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Posted - 2012.12.03 21:27:00 -
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My AO is in high sec. It's where I do everything from mining to missions. I like high sec because I don't have to worry TOO much (but the system I operate in borders lowsec, which I've had encounters with suicide gankers), about being ganked/ganged all the time. So, I can mine is peace. I also don't feel like moving the hundreds of equipment I have at the base I op out of to a new home. Also because I'm relatively new and don't feel ready to deal or afford the dangers of lowsec.
I do know that nullsec can be relatively safer than low or high simply because, what has been stated before, players don't dwell there. But, I do enjoy jumping through lowsec at the thrill of having a chance to be shot at by real players and not NPC rats. And this is just my view on this, but, perhaps some players feel safer in dangerous places than they do in systems surrounded by naval police forces and CONCORD. |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
225
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Posted - 2012.12.03 21:34:00 -
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Tippia wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Tippia's point is that you have absolutely no correlation between characters and people. ^^ This. Yes, we have character distribution. This tells us squat about where the players live. In fact, one of the more sane interpretations would put roughly 1 in 3 players as GÇ£highseccersGÇ¥ and 2/3ds as low/null/w-spacers.
Was agreeing that there's absolutely no correlation, and then immediately proposing a "more sane interpretation(s)" unintentional or planned comedy relief?
All we have are characters, as I said before and you've agreed. Talking people is just making things up.
On the other hand unless the vast majority of characters is inactive, we may know something about population distribution. If the vast majority of characters are inactive, we know less about population distribution and more about the general state of the game.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10493
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Posted - 2012.12.03 21:43:00 -
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Malphilos wrote:Was agreeing that there's absolutely no correlation, and then immediately proposing a "more sane interpretation(s)" unintentional or planned comedy relief? No, it's just stating what it is: we have no correlation, but based on other statistics (most of them very vague and half hear-say), we can interpret the data.
Quote:Talking people is just making things up. GǪand yet people keep doing exactly that, which is what I objected to. No. There is no Gǣdisproportionately large population of the gameGǥ that never leaves highsec. In reality, it's an unknown proportion and our best guess is that it's actually quite a large one.
Quote:On the other hand unless the vast majority of characters is inactive Inactive accounts are not included in the count.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1206
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:00:00 -
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Kimsemus wrote:I think everyone reacts to different situations differently. I am actually at the lowest "stress" level in big fights. Any trepedation I feel is completely wiped out by a burning adrenaline rush that no other game has been able to replicate for me The exact opposite of me. The best way for me to tolerate a PvP experience is to, as much as possible, suppress the adrenaline. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
5318
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:05:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Kimsemus wrote:I know the Quarterly Economic Report has this statistic, but since such a disproportionately large population of the game either never leaves, or almost never leaves highsec, I wanted to ask some highsec dwellers why this was, and what were their personal reasons.
I, like everyone else, started my journey in highsec. I dabbled with industry early on, but always found myself wondering what life was like outside the "wall" of NPC protected space, living on Pikeura in Lonetrek a few jumps from Jita and 1 jump from lowsec, the temptation to explore was ever present.
It wasn't long before I found myself in lowsec, pirating before knowing what "piracy" was in EVE, and generally just flying about looking for fights. I had gotten ganked many times doing this, and started myself on a road to get better at the game and hone my skills.
Years later, I've found myself in nullsec, where I've lived almost concurrently for nearly five years. I stop through highsec a few times a year, but I feel like a foreigner wandering in a strange, dangerous place. It's funny...I feel like highsec is far more deadly than 0.0. In 0.0 it's NBSI, if you're an alliance member I can trust you, everyone else I kill. I can see my enemy and I know him and I will try to kill him before he kills me, and that is all there is to it. It is a straightforward wild west kind of scenario.
In highsec, there are enemies around every corner, hiding, waiting. They public is their shield, and you never know when a ganker is hiding among the mission runners, carebears, and industrialists. I can't relax, I always feel like I'm about to be ambushed, attacked, or walleyed in some way. I prefer the predictable hyper-violence of 0.0 over high or lowsec.
Who else feels this way? What keeps you in highsec, if you choose to stay there? I've found fortune and kills in 0.0...getting rich and murder are my main draws in this game. (Usually the two are related, war is a very profitable business for a PVPer with a modicum of business acumen).
Tell me your stories: Why highsec? I live in Null atm and I have lived in hi-sec. If you have ever tried to get past all the gate camps to get to null you wouldnt have to ask this question. I made it a few times in a cloaky but I have seen 8 year vets not make it.
Consider changing your route. The shortest route is not always the quickest MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
718
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:06:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Kimsemus wrote:I know the Quarterly Economic Report has this statistic, but since such a disproportionately large population of the game either never leaves, or almost never leaves highsec, I wanted to ask some highsec dwellers why this was, and what were their personal reasons.
I, like everyone else, started my journey in highsec. I dabbled with industry early on, but always found myself wondering what life was like outside the "wall" of NPC protected space, living on Pikeura in Lonetrek a few jumps from Jita and 1 jump from lowsec, the temptation to explore was ever present.
It wasn't long before I found myself in lowsec, pirating before knowing what "piracy" was in EVE, and generally just flying about looking for fights. I had gotten ganked many times doing this, and started myself on a road to get better at the game and hone my skills.
Years later, I've found myself in nullsec, where I've lived almost concurrently for nearly five years. I stop through highsec a few times a year, but I feel like a foreigner wandering in a strange, dangerous place. It's funny...I feel like highsec is far more deadly than 0.0. In 0.0 it's NBSI, if you're an alliance member I can trust you, everyone else I kill. I can see my enemy and I know him and I will try to kill him before he kills me, and that is all there is to it. It is a straightforward wild west kind of scenario.
In highsec, there are enemies around every corner, hiding, waiting. They public is their shield, and you never know when a ganker is hiding among the mission runners, carebears, and industrialists. I can't relax, I always feel like I'm about to be ambushed, attacked, or walleyed in some way. I prefer the predictable hyper-violence of 0.0 over high or lowsec.
Who else feels this way? What keeps you in highsec, if you choose to stay there? I've found fortune and kills in 0.0...getting rich and murder are my main draws in this game. (Usually the two are related, war is a very profitable business for a PVPer with a modicum of business acumen).
Tell me your stories: Why highsec? I live in Null atm and I have lived in hi-sec. If you have ever tried to get past all the gate camps to get to null you wouldnt have to ask this question. I made it a few times in a cloaky but I have seen 8 year vets not make it. Consider changing your route. The shortest route is not always the quickest
pod express is always the fastest, and it's always only 1 jump. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting The Paganism Alliance
142
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:09:00 -
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My reason for staying in hisec? I quite frankly enjoy the paranoia, or more specificly, causing it to devastating or profitable effect. OP's feelings about hisec may very well be wholly justified.
Nah, just trolling ... maybe? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10493
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:10:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:pod express is always the fastest, and it's always only 1 jump-áundock. Fixed. No need to jump anywhereGǪ
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan. |
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
133
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:13:00 -
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I stay in high sec to **** the null bears off. Working as intended. |
Bump Truck
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
19
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:36:00 -
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Traska Gannel wrote:...
4) You can do almost any activity in high sec except pvp ... you might be able to do them better in 0.0 or WH space but you can still do them and the additional reward does not appear to be equal to the perceived risk of 0.0 and low sec. ...
there you go.
Personally I love null. I was thinking the other day about when I first started and lived alone in Clellinon and mined Veld in a Navitas and was scared to go three jumps out on a mission.
Those were fun times.
As you go along your horizons just get bigger and you want to explore, dream, discover.
I think if your idea of "leaving highsec" is jumping in a ship and flying in to low / null then it's kind of your own fault you get blown up, where's the research?
What about one of the Uni's to teach you, what about a corp to join who'll look after you until you learn the ropes? What do you expect to find just flying there? Mountains of gold?
I flew into and out of NPC null a few times as a carebear, occasionally I got podded. It's a silly thing to do. |
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Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
225
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:43:00 -
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Tippia wrote:No, it's just stating what it is: we have no correlation, but based on other statistics (most of them very vague and half hear-say), we can interpret the data.
Vague, hearsay statistics?
And from this you glean your "more sane interpretation".
Again, there is no correlation, talking people is making things up. Vague, hearsay things no doubt.
Tippia wrote:Quote:Talking people is just making things up. GǪand yet people keep doing exactly that, which is what I objected to. No. There is no Gǣdisproportionately large population of the gameGǥ that never leaves highsec.
Ah, your confusion becomes more evident. I never said the was a GÇ£disproportionately large population of the gameGÇ¥ that never leaves highsec. I said essentially what you'd already agreed to: a super-majority of characters never leaves highsec. This is the data we have. No?
You, in fact, are one of the people doing what you object to.
Tippia wrote:Quote:On the other hand unless the vast majority of characters is inactive Inactive accounts are not included in the count.
Accounts != characters. The data we have is that the large majority of characters never leaves highsec, correct? So we know all those characters that never leave are attached to active accounts.
Now, if we new how many characters each account had created...
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Diamond Bull
State War Academy Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:46:00 -
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Freighters move to slow and my stuff is worth too much?
Wait....
I have a JF. Never mind.
I have left high sec. I lived for a few weeks in a WH. I lived in 0.0. I have lived in low sec. For me it just isn't worth the inconvenience. Even if though I only lost a few ships in null and low, never lost one in the WH, and was able to carry on I just didn't like it. I don't get a thrill out of PvP (as in ship to ship combat), I find it tedious, and I like shopping too much. I am capable of making metric tons of ISK and I like spending it. With the exception of carriers there is nothing in Null I can or want to spend it on that I can't spend it on in High Sec. I could buy another carrier or pimp another faction battleship. Hmmm.... Actually I think I need another freighter. |
Silence iKillYouu
KA POW POW Inc Late Night Alliance
210
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:47:00 -
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I've never left highsec http://fw-frontline.blogspot.com/ |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5681
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:48:00 -
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Uh, I have six accounts. Two of the accounts have nothing but characters that I've never taken out of hisec. Most of the other accounts have at least one character that I've never taken out of hisec as well. ~*a proud belligerent undesirable*~ TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest. An idea for improving corp management |
BlackCobalt
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.12.03 23:07:00 -
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It depends on eveyday life if ppl alot of ppl work long hours and feel safer in high sec then in null and see null as being unsafe. Plus alot of older timers feel safer in high sec if they have more then five accounts running. The cost of buying ships gets expensive look at the charron.
And it depends as well on what you want from eve. |
CaptainFalcon07
Caucasian Culture Club Transmission Lost
54
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Posted - 2012.12.03 23:22:00 -
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Because everyone who lives in low/null/wh, has one or more alts in highsec. |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
889
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Posted - 2012.12.03 23:35:00 -
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CaptainFalcon07 wrote:Because everyone who lives in low/null/wh, has one or more alts in highsec.
Because it's where all the action is
Anyone who seriously does L4s instead of making isk in 0.0 is so very lost. I personally don't believe such a person exists at all, and it's just more propaganda. But on the small chance they do exist, you are bad, and should feel bad. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Sickburn
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.12.03 23:43:00 -
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low and null are too easy, i like the danger of highsec |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
225
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Posted - 2012.12.04 00:00:00 -
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Andski wrote:Uh, I have six accounts. Two of the accounts have nothing but characters that I've never taken out of hisec. Most of the other accounts have at least one character that I've never taken out of hisec as well.
Well there we go.
A couple 10's of thousands of data points more, and we'll have the beginnings of a picture. |
Ritsum
Perkone Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2012.12.04 00:00:00 -
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Why leave perfectly good space? I have been doing some roams lately trying to figure out why people enjoy ship PvP so much but I honestly don't know how to feel about it... I sink quite a bit of isk into it making sure I have ships somewhat decently fit if my skills allow and yet the action I see does not really make up for the endless hours I have to grind to get that isk back... Maybe I have to join a null corp to see the full effect of ship pvp but I don't think that will happen any time soon... I am a proud High Sec Pve player. Got a problem? |
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
477
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Posted - 2012.12.04 00:09:00 -
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Eternal Error wrote:The QEN statistics on "people in X part of space" are practically meaningless due to alts.
Just because this needs posting again.
Im sure there are some people who have never left high sec, but I'd wager not many. Most true high sec only players are (probably and IMO) either builder/gatherer types who are not interested in conflict (beyond the market they sell their stuff through) or people who can't handle even imaginary space pixel loses and make excuse after excuse about how they would pvp if only ccp would change it (and the whole game) in some way.
The Former is ok (so long as they understand the fact that undocking is consent to be screwed with in the non-consensual pvp game)and vital to the EVE economy, the latter is....welll....special....Short bus special.
CCP Gargant:-á this game requires a certain amount of simply going out there and chatting with people. You will get scammed, destroyed, cheated, trolled, and blown up but that is just a part of the essence of this game. -á |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
116
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Posted - 2012.12.04 00:37:00 -
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Many people will venture to low early on i think well i did anyway it was most scary situation that happen to me..here i was not even knowing how to w to 0.
Entering low sec on ap and after i warped 12k from gate and start closing devoter(i think) de-cloaked deadhead and started approach it looked to me like bird of prey in star-trek closing in for a kill getting bigger and bigger showing it underbelly and blue lights(was old awesome model not this new-wave crap) while orbiting my 7 different gun trasher letting me perfectly clear that i am owned by it at that point.
Only thing i did was turning my civ shield booster to look more mean LOL..it give me escort to gate didn't even target me i proly looked pathetic most scary thing that happened to me in low/null that was and i didn't even die...being a noob in a game can be awesome,i don't get kicks like that anymore killed,poded or otherwise.
Many people i meet have went in low early on willingly or not . "it put ore down in can or it gets the hose again"
Leeloo Dallas Multipass - "Big bada boom"
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Opera Noir
Inglorious-Basterds The Bloody Ronin Syndicate
17
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Posted - 2012.12.04 00:48:00 -
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First time I went to low-sec it was for some low level mission and I didn't really think about it, sure there was a pop-up but then how could I do the mission? I think, "Surprise! butt___!" would accurately define most peoples first experience outside of hi-sec. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1823
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Posted - 2012.12.04 01:03:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Eternal Error wrote:The QEN statistics on "people in X part of space" are practically meaningless due to alts. Most true high sec only players are (probably and IMO) either builder/gatherer types who are not interested in conflict (beyond the market they sell their stuff through) or people who can't handle even imaginary space pixel loses and make excuse after excuse about how they would pvp if only ccp would change it (and the whole game) in some way. The Former is ok (so long as they understand the fact that undocking is consent to be screwed with in the non-consensual pvp game)and vital to the EVE economy, the latter is....welll....special....Short bus special. What does the bus look like, an exhumer with no tank or freighter with far too much stuff in it? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
102
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Posted - 2012.12.04 01:18:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Eternal Error wrote:The QEN statistics on "people in X part of space" are practically meaningless due to alts. Most true high sec only players are (probably and IMO) either builder/gatherer types who are not interested in conflict (beyond the market they sell their stuff through) or people who can't handle even imaginary space pixel loses and make excuse after excuse about how they would pvp if only ccp would change it (and the whole game) in some way. The Former is ok (so long as they understand the fact that undocking is consent to be screwed with in the non-consensual pvp game)and vital to the EVE economy, the latter is....welll....special....Short bus special. What does the bus look like, an exhumer with no tank or freighter with far too much stuff in it?
Not yet released prototype freighter with low slots fitted with cargo expander to put even more stuff in the hold of course! |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2012.12.04 01:30:00 -
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Kimsemus wrote:Personally, I would use the word...inconvenienced, not being able to just shoot everyone and pacifying a system like an alliance can in 0.0, and bring a true semblance of safety to a place, not just an illusion (afk cloakers and roams, etc notwithstanding). Pacifying a system by shooting everyone. Yeah, I can sorta see how that might work - graveyards are generally pretty peaceful.
You in the US military by any chance? |
Kimsemus
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
32
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Posted - 2012.12.04 02:18:00 -
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Oraac Ensor wrote:Kimsemus wrote:Personally, I would use the word...inconvenienced, not being able to just shoot everyone and pacifying a system like an alliance can in 0.0, and bring a true semblance of safety to a place, not just an illusion (afk cloakers and roams, etc notwithstanding). Pacifying a system by shooting everyone. Yeah, I can sorta see how that might work - graveyards are generally pretty peaceful. You in the US military by any chance?
Indeed I am, but EVE predates my joining the military, and the mode of thought I have is partially generated through my early experiences in game (hooking up with PVPers early and fighting from a young character age, I started on my first character in 2003, I was 16 at the time. So I developed along with the game). So in a way, I was shaped as I got older and EVE was part of that experience. Another is because I got my Masters in History, and History has taught me, at least philosophically, that total victory, total safety, in a true sense, comes at the death of one's predators. Or enemies pilots, in this case. Joining the military only reinforced a lesson that most kids I think learn at a very young age: power is power. There is no replacement for it. If you project it right, then you will have security.
Many will disagree with that sentiment, and it's sort of bleak I know. But in EVE the lesson is irrefutable. Security comes when your enemies that stand before you are destroyed, the others cower in fear, and your territory is secure. Highsec you simply can't enjoy that level of supremacy. |
Karrl Tian
Yarrbusters
45
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Posted - 2012.12.04 03:39:00 -
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Hey, you gotta do something to pass the time while you're structure grinding/waiting for reds and neuts to drop out of local in that exciting fast-paced engaging null space environment. |
Remiel Pollard
Devlin Security Devlin Alliance
199
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Posted - 2012.12.04 04:01:00 -
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I live in high sec because that's where my corp keeps me for recruiting high sec players to our own WH and low sec operations. However, I traverse low sec pipelines often and even go mining there quite frequently without being bothered. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Aston Martin DB5
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.12.04 04:03:00 -
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Why not high sec. Nothing special in Null that makes a player want to leave unless you start your moon cash cow business.
Plus there is much need improvements with travel and pos structures out there. |
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