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Luzia Breen
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.05 10:06:00 -
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Honestly, I don't even know how many of us care about what is happening there in Gallente ice belt space. Well, we should care. Goonswarm is taking an extremely well-organized stab at preventing access to all Gallente ice. And they're succeeding. Yes, I'm impressed. I read their battle plan (what was public info, anyway) and it was well-thought out and masterfully executed.
So, Goonswarm's great, and the rest of us "pubbies" just suck? Why? Why do we cry and wring our hands, instead of fighting back? Goons expect us to whine at CCP(who will laugh at us, since Goon is simply using area-denial strategies and not mucking with game mechanics), instead of fighting back. They hope we fight, all the while sighing at the 9,367th whiner in local who just lost their Mack because they didn't come prepared to fight for their piece of ice.
I'm not even an ice miner, yet. I wanted to be, but my Mack is safely stored at the moment. I don't want it to be. I want it to be out there, mining. But I can't. Because first, I need to make sure the ice is clear of Goons, and stays clear of Goons.
So, I know there are smart people out there. I want to hear your ideas about how to clear the belts and keep them clear. I'll start.
I plan to use an alt and repeatedly shoot ice in my noobship w/ the ol' Civilian blaster(Gallente), getting blown up over and over again, but hopefully keeping Concord in the belt. Will this work? Does this totally suck? It's essentially what Goon is doing, yes. According to their anti-Concord strategies.
If it sucks, does anyone have any better ideas, especially long-term ones? Heavily-reinforced fleets will certainly help, but keep in mind Goon will draw resources from other ice-belt systems if they need to take down a heavily-defended fleet. Hiring merc corps for defense?
We need ideas, men and women. And we need to fight. Unless we all want to whine in 6 months because a Tech 2 armor hardener now costs 40m. |
antigoone
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.05 10:31:00 -
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Resist Goonswarm
http://resist-goonsarm.over-blog.com/article-resist-goonswarm-85885336.html |
Smabs
Higher Than Everest BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.10.05 10:45:00 -
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You could just stop ice mining for a couple of weeks. |
antigoone
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.05 10:56:00 -
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Smabs wrote:You could just stop ice mining for a couple of weeks.
No.
If Goonswarm makes good money from this operation, they will do that regulary. |
Smabs
Higher Than Everest BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.10.05 11:03:00 -
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Making the assumption that you're not a goon alt or anything here:
Does it matter, really? Eve has dozens of different things to do and ships to fly. If mining barges are getting ganked in a region just go do something else. If certain ships become expensive just go fly something else.
It seems a bit weird to get in such a fit about something that's so easily avoidable. |
antigoone
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.05 11:20:00 -
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Smabs wrote:Making the assumption that you're not a goon alt or anything here:
Does it matter, really? Eve has dozens of different things to do and ships to fly. If mining barges are getting ganked in a region just go do something else. If certain ships become expensive just go fly something else.
It seems a bit weird to get in such a fit about something that's so easily avoidable.
For the challenge ! For the fun ! It's a game !
And for the isk also. |
antigoone
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.05 11:33:00 -
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Goonswarm can keep an ice belt clear with only one or two guys in the system because players just don't know the mechanics of the game.
You can keep an ice belt clear of goons with an shiny new uncorped alt, even with a trial account.
Just fire at someone in the belt with the rookie ship, then Concord will come and stay in the belt for 15 minutes to several hours (does anyone know the mechanic). He will get a new rookie ship as soon as he gets back to station.
Wait for 15 minutes (outlaw tag cooldown) and restart.
When the alt reaches -5 security status, destrroy him and create a new one.
Read my guide. |
Smabs
Higher Than Everest BricK sQuAD.
3
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Posted - 2011.10.05 12:12:00 -
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Quote:For the challenge ! For the fun ! It's a game !
And for the isk also.
You know it's probably just a coincidence but that sounds a lot like vile rat for some reason.
Anyway, I guess punching myself in the face as many times as I can is a challenge too. And yeah, it's a game - stop playing it the way other people want you to. Plus you can make more isk doing, well, anything really. Unless you're running bots ofc.
Pretty sure that spawning concord onto a belt is an exploit but I'm not sure how much ccp actually polices that kinda stuff. |
antigoone
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.05 12:17:00 -
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Smabs wrote:Quote:For the challenge ! For the fun ! It's a game !
And for the isk also. You know it's probably just a coincidence but that sounds a lot like vile rat for some reason. Anyway, I guess punching myself in the face as many times as I can is a challenge too. And yeah, it's a game - stop playing it the way other people want you to. Plus you can make more isk doing, well, anything really. Unless you're running bots ofc. Pretty sure that spawning concord onto a belt is an exploit but I'm not sure how much ccp actually polices that kinda stuff.
No it's not an exploit.
Only surviving concord is an exploit. |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2011.10.05 13:24:00 -
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Smabs wrote:You could just stop ice mining for a couple of weeks.
Any ice miner with 2 brain cells to rub together won't stop, with oxytope prices the way they are.
antigoone wrote:Goonswarm can keep an ice belt clear with only one or two guys in the system because players just don't know the mechanics of the game.
You can keep an ice belt clear of goons with an shiny new uncorped alt, even with a trial account.
Goons *can't* take out your barge if Concord is already in the belt.
If you fire at someone in the belt with the rookie ship, then Concord will come and stay in the belt for 15 minutes to several hours (by the way, does anyone know the exact mechanic ?). The alt will get a new rookie ship as soon as he gets back to station.
Wait for 15 minutes (outlaw tag cooldown) and restart.
When the alt reaches -5 security status, destrroy him and create a new one.
Read my guide.
Biomass has timer, don't bother. If your -5 noob alts spawn faction police, more help never hurts. You can automate the process with creative macro usage. |
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Darrow Hill
Eight Bit Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.05 13:30:00 -
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antigoone wrote:Goons *can't* take out your barge if Concord is already in the belt.
Having Concord in the belt won't save you from an alpha strike.
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Darrow Hill
Eight Bit Industries
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Posted - 2011.10.05 13:32:00 -
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antigoone wrote:When the alt reaches -5 security status, destrroy him and create a new one.
While forcing a Concord spawn using an alt is not an exploit, recycling suicide alts most certainly is.
Your advise is terrible.
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Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
267
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Posted - 2011.10.05 14:06:00 -
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antigoone wrote:Goons *can't* take out your barge if Concord is already in the belt.
miners who think this are my favorite, it's hilarious blasting them out of the sky sitting right next to concord |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
267
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Posted - 2011.10.05 14:07:00 -
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one second you're there completely safe from concord, the next second you're in a pod and don't even know what happened |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
267
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Posted - 2011.10.05 14:11:00 -
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oh god can't stop laughing |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
267
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Posted - 2011.10.05 14:11:00 -
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resist-goonsarm |
JackStraw56
Bayesian Motion Knights of Tomorrow
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Posted - 2011.10.05 14:13:00 -
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Recycling alts because their sec status gets too low IS considered an exploit. Not too often enforced I would say, but don't announce publicly you plan to do it. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery Situation: Normal
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:32:00 -
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antigoone wrote:Goons *can't* take out your barge if Concord is already in the belt
lol
Concord are in the belt.
I warp in. No response.
I target you. No response.
I shoot. You die instantly. [.... 2 or 3 seconds pass....] CONCORD jams, eventually pops me.
The fact you even made a web-page about this is a little special. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Tauren Tom
Order of the Silver Dragons Clone Vat
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:47:00 -
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1) Don't mine ice 2) Don't buy ice from the market 3) Find another area of gallente space to call home or buck up and take it to null/low sec :P |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
5
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Posted - 2011.10.05 18:37:00 -
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A couple of thoughts....
1.) If your going to spawn concord for protection, 1 alt isn't really enough. The goon's guide clearly states how to clear a belt of a concord spawn... The trick is, create multiple concord spawns.... (use 3 alts, and have them all gcc simultaneously). This makes clearing the belt trickier. (but not really all that hard....)
2.) If you have all these alts, why not use one to RR yourself. A scimi could easily provide cap stable reps to three mackinaws, while having a good tank itself.... It would be enough to stop most single-attacker ganks, and force them to use several BC's per ship. (note: keep the scimi moving and rep at range). An osprey, while much, much less efficient, would be a poor man's alternative. The best way to defeat an organized assault is an organized defense.....
On a final note.... while the prices hurt my BO's and capital ship movement, the goons have earned a little respect from me for actually pulling this off. I consider it an awesome undertaking.... On the other hand, this is probably a grave insult to a goon, and will be hunted down and molested for using respect and goon in the same sentence (by goons and non-goons alike!)
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:39:00 -
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they only have so many minerals and isk, they will get bored and slip up eventually, once ice becomes worth mining people who normally wouldnt mine it will try to mine it, thus goons will have to throw more ships away. it is impossible for a group of people to continue to lock out all the systems with ice. the reward is getting higher for mining ice, eventually the tipping point will happen where ice miners from all over Eve will mine just gallente ice and try to get rich XD |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
96
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:51:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote: On a final note.... while the prices hurt my BO's and capital ship movement, the goons have earned a little respect from me for actually pulling this off. I consider it an awesome undertaking....
How dare you, sir!
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Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
96
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:52:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:they only have so many minerals and isk, they will get bored and slip up eventually, once ice becomes worth mining people who normally wouldnt mine it will try to mine it, thus goons will have to throw more ships away. it is impossible for a group of people to continue to lock out all the systems with ice. the reward is getting higher for mining ice, eventually the tipping point will happen where ice miners from all over Eve will mine just gallente ice and try to get rich XD
Which will do nothing but drive up the prices of the other topes. |
Luzia Breen
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:05:00 -
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Wow. Some good responses in there(thank you, antigoone and Gizznitt). I will look into taking the battle to Goon in nullsec. it's so hard taking training time from your main. :P
I had some more thoughts. One, according to the Goon's own public strategy(looking at you, Feligast), Goon may rely on warping to alts that are stationed right next to a potential gank-tim. In that case, Mack/Cov/Hulk pilots, keep yourselves moving by orbiting your asteroids. Yeah, you don't move fast(70m/s?), but it takes 10-15 seconds to arrive at a warp-point, maybe more. By then, you'll be 700m away from his warp-in position. Since they're using blasters, that's a considerable distance, possibly enough to take you out of falloff. Maybe equip an T2 AB(on Macks or Hulks; don't think Covs have the cap), and leave your cargo expanders at home. That might leave you out of Goon blaster range entirely, and leave them in the unenviable position of chasing you down, giving you precious seconds.
I haven't tried the above myself, and I do not see it as the ultimate fix of doom. More like one more step in protecting ourselves, and meant to be used in conjunction with other tactics.
Also, recommending reading: the Wikipedia article, or any other literature, on Anti-Submarine Warfare or ASW. Goons are performing admirably as the German U-Boats. If we want to mine ice for profit, we're going to have to adapt to them, rather than hoping they go away.
Also, why am I doing this? Why do I care? Why don't I just go mission, or mine Veldspar? Goon, bless their black hearts, can't necessarily keep up with the demand for 'topes by themselves, and they may not want to. I mean, Ice mining isn't as exciting as blowing stuff up, to many Goons. No 'topes means no Rorquals. No Rorquals means less efficient T1 and Cap Ship production in null/lowsec. That means they'll have to come to hisec for parts/resources. That means hisec parts/resource prices will go up.
Goon stated in their own Goonswarm Shrugged article that targeting the 'topes may affect the T2 industry. Well, I for one don't want to see T2 armor hardeners jump to 3-4m a pop, or higher.
So, in essence, I'm fighting because I don't want to pay more in the long run, for everything. Would all of the above happen? Maybe not. Do I want to risk it happening? Hell no. So I plan to fight.
So, thank you, Feligast and your blackhearted crew for firing up the spirits of some of those silly hisec pubbies. I hope our plans work. I hope you adapt, forcing us to think and adapt ourselves. In that way, all of us become smarter, and in the end, stronger.
So, don't fly safe, pubbies. Fly violently, fly crazy, fly laughing maniacally, but do not go gentle into that good night. |
Luzia Breen
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:12:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:antigoone wrote:Goons *can't* take out your barge if Concord is already in the belt lol Concord are in the belt. I warp in. No response. I target you. No response. I shoot. You die instantly. [.... 2 or 3 seconds pass....] CONCORD jams, eventually pops me. The fact you even made a web-page about this is a little special.
As an aside, keeping your barge moving may help protect against Alphapests. Since you're moving at the time of strike, the chances of a glancing shot(and your survival!) increase. Again, won't know until it's tested. |
Versuvius Marii
Browncoats of Persephone
12
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Posted - 2011.10.05 22:41:00 -
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Save something for Hulkageddon, ffs. |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery Situation: Normal
59
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Posted - 2011.10.05 23:53:00 -
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Luzia Breen wrote:As an aside, keeping your barge moving may help protect against Alphapests It doesn't. 70m/s does feck all to mitigate damage, especially so with multiple target painters applied. An alphapest, or alphapoc, will do around twice the alpha needed to pop a Mack. There's spare to play with.
Quote:But they're more expensive, and far less common. Goon will probably reserve such ships for known hard targets Don't assume someone elses playstyle, and dispatch it as advice. The actual difference in cost (i.e. the ISK lost on the gank) is a lot less than you think, since insurance has a weird habit of being stuck on the ships first. It's more expensive, sure, but then they're hardly short of ISK.
Put simply - you bring the tool for the job. If CONCORD are nowhere to be seen, you bring a Brutix. If CONCORD are spawned and you can't clear them, alpha the ship.
Your idea that 700m is "outside of falloff" for a Brutix is a bit funny. But, you'd be forgiven for thinking it :P - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Luzia Breen
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 01:29:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Luzia Breen wrote:As an aside, keeping your barge moving may help protect against Alphapests It doesn't. 70m/s does feck all to mitigate damage, especially so with multiple target painters applied. An alphapest, or alphapoc, will do around twice the alpha needed to pop a Mack. There's spare to play with. Quote:But they're more expensive, and far less common. Goon will probably reserve such ships for known hard targets Don't assume someone elses playstyle, and dispatch it as advice. The actual difference in cost (i.e. the ISK lost on the gank) is a lot less than you think, since insurance has a weird habit of being stuck on the ships first. It's more expensive, sure, but then they're hardly short of ISK. Put simply - you bring the tool for the job. If CONCORD are nowhere to be seen, you bring a Brutix. If CONCORD are spawned and you can't clear them, alpha the ship. Your idea that 700m is "outside of falloff" for a Brutix is a bit funny. But, you'd be forgiven for thinking it :P
Wasn't advising. I stated as such in my previous post. I don't even know if the tactic would work, and judging by the (much longer than anticipated) ranges on blasters, it won't. Fine. Now that that's out of the way, Khanh, since you do seem to know and had the decency to comment, do you have any actual tactics of your own to share?
As to bringing the right tool, I agree totally. However, not all Goons, particularly if they're using 10-hour toons, can use an Alphapest. And, by simple skillpoint math, there won't be as many Tempest pilots as there will be Brutix's and Thoraxes.
To everyone else, including trolls, keep them coming. Antigoone had some good points, if anyone wanted to read his article instead of trolling on it. Gizznitt made me think, and so did Khanh.
Also, shouldn't need to be said, but some troll will flame me about it anyway, sooo.... If you have a tactic you DON'T want to share, but just want to use on some poor Goon or Mackinaw, don't. This is a forum for Carebears sharing tactics so all of us have resources to fight back with. And, most importantly, to know that there are others like us who don't want to just whine to CCP about suigankers, but want to DO something in-game about it.
BTW, I'm a bit disappointed. Khanh's about the worst flamer I had so far, and he had the knowledge to back it up, and made me crunch numbers(never a bad thing). Where's all the "STFU noob? Why you noob 'rite this thread?" etc.
Fly violently all...and I feel some more flames coming on. |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:09:00 -
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You spawn concord in belt and mine in covetors. Unfortunately, too many people have been doing just that, prices have already fell below 800, so it's not really worth the effort anymore. |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
278
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:42:00 -
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i can't find any covetors where are they
i'm going through withdrawal after I podded three miners at once in a thorax |
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Malkuth Delapounti
Bulldog Industries. Two Zero One One
2
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:45:00 -
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I'm going to help a few of you miners out. -áI think I'm not sure but I believe a certain level combat mission that has drones in it, is in an ice belt.
If you find out what one it is, -áthen you can do a few missions until u find it, clear it.. Don't finish it and mine it.
Have a nice day. |
Silence iKillYouu
The Innocent Criminals
5
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Posted - 2011.10.06 06:12:00 -
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The more u cry. The more they do it.
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Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 08:29:00 -
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while economicaly i fully understand how Goons can make looooot of isk on ice (i guess their miners are working very hard now).
However good defence can be switch to cheap t1 tanked barges and especially km ***** tacklers (or light combat drones out so ganker will get non NPC damage).... because lossms posted will start ruining their stats .... not every goon cares, but some of them do (mostly the one who are not using alts).
Funny is everybody is making isk now on the market panic. So in paradox this action can be very very profitable to (smart) miners.
interesting can be tanked Blackbird with 2 points/plate and 2 jams ... stupid is i cannot enter gallente space ;) |
Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery Situation: Normal
62
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Posted - 2011.10.06 08:30:00 -
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The crux of my post, was simply "bring the right tool for the job"
If someone wants that Mack dead, they will kill it.
Remote reps on the barge will save you from a Thorax, but, shockingly, you can see that before engaging. All that happens, is they put the message in the channel for an alpha strike. Imagining there is a shortage of toons able to fly a Tempest or Apoc won't get you very far.
For every inventive scenario you think of, there is an equally effective counter waiting in the wings.
The only winning move is not to play. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Luzia Breen
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:07:00 -
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Thank you, Khanh, antigoone, Grizznit, and the others that posted legitimate tactics. I learned more about EvE PvP creating this thread, then I did with 17 hours worth of guides.
HiddenSnake, like the idea of hitting them in the stats. Like you admitted, not all of them care, but some of them might. Also, about the Blackbird; that might work. However, the Goons might be fitting ECCM, but it's still worth a shot. It's a Blackbird, dime a dozen, but still bloody dangerous.
Khanh, bringing the right tool for the right job is key. But often, especially in EvE, you don't have it. You need 3 RR spider BS, but you have 2 Drakes and an AF. Or you need a Kitsune, but no one in your crew can fly one. And the list goes on. Even well-prepared enemies can't have the right tool immediately on hand all the time. There may be 7 Goons online in that system, but the nearest Alphapest is 6 systems out, and you might be able to wait for him, but the first sui-gank failed against that Hulk and already cost you a 'Tix and a 'Rax. And your instincts are telling you reinforcements are in route, but you don't know what. What then? Do you have the 'Pest come anyway, knowing he might miss a juicy target in his own system?
I make no assumptions, nor would I base tactics off of such things. However, as a general, or a soldier, you often DON'T have the tool. You may be able to call for it, but your enemy may be able to call for a counter-tool, then you have escalation. If your enemy doesn't call for a counter-tool, but just whines in local, then yeah, you won. But if they wind up with more counter-tools then you have, then you might lose. Real warfare isn't really so rock-paper-scissors, but superior weapons or numbers can often overwhelm superior tactics. If you don't have superior weapons or numbers, then you need to dream up superior tactics. Sometimes, you don't have a wrench for that SAE bolt, so you break out a hammer and chisel instead. Sometimes it works; sometimes, you mess up the bolt, but get it out anyways. Sometimes the bolt's too rusty, and you just dull the chisel.
Don't know if it will continue, but per prices in Jita, looks like Goon is either losing interest, or miners are getting more and more dangerous. Hopefully, a combo of the two. Fly violently all. |
Alikchi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2011.10.06 09:42:00 -
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Hidden Snake wrote:while economicaly i fully understand how Goons can make looooot of isk on ice (i guess their miners are working very hard now).
OUR ICE-MINING BACKBONE |
Hidden Snake
Inglorious-Basterds
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 13:34:00 -
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Alikchi wrote:Hidden Snake wrote:while economicaly i fully understand how Goons can make looooot of isk on ice (i guess their miners are working very hard now).
OUR ICE-MINING BACKBONE
every pvper mined in his past .... and who is saying did not ...is alt mining now |
Morgan Flintlock
Ceremonies of Light and Dark The Interstellar Alliance of Corporations
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:30:00 -
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Is buzzing about Goon space as a group in Stealth Bombers, targeting there own miners not an option? It is the same as what they are doing, and as so many are complaining about it, one would assmue it is effective.......... |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
382
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:32:00 -
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Morgan Flintlock wrote:Is buzzing about Goon space as a group in Stealth Bombers, targeting there own miners not an option? It is the same as what they are doing, and as so many are complaining about it, one would assmue it is effective..........
if you find goons mining in goonswarm space you could probably talk other goons into killing them
uugh mining |
Fuujin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:34:00 -
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Morgan Flintlock wrote:Is buzzing about Goon space as a group in Stealth Bombers, targeting there own miners not an option? It is the same as what they are doing, and as so many are complaining about it, one would assmue it is effective..........
Our miners employ sophisticated anti-SB techniques. I'd dare you to try to cut your teeth on them, but our logistics team would have my hide if we lost any belt productivity. |
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Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
388
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:45:00 -
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Luzia Breen wrote:Thank you, Khanh, antigoone, Grizznit, and the others that posted legitimate tactics. I learned more about EvE PvP creating this thread, then I did with 17 hours worth of guides.
HiddenSnake, like the idea of hitting them in the stats. Like you admitted, not all of them care, but some of them might. Also, about the Blackbird; that might work. However, the Goons might be fitting ECCM, but it's still worth a shot. It's a Blackbird, dime a dozen, but still bloody dangerous.
Khanh, bringing the right tool for the right job is key. But often, especially in EvE, you don't have it. You need 3 RR spider BS, but you have 2 Drakes and an AF. Or you need a Kitsune, but no one in your crew can fly one. And the list goes on. Even well-prepared enemies can't have the right tool immediately on hand all the time. There may be 7 Goons online in that system, but the nearest Alphapest is 6 systems out, and you might be able to wait for him, but the first sui-gank failed against that Hulk and already cost you a 'Tix and a 'Rax. And your instincts are telling you reinforcements are in route, but you don't know what. What then? Do you have the 'Pest come anyway, knowing he might miss a juicy target in his own system?
I make no assumptions, nor would I base tactics off of such things. However, as a general, or a soldier, you often DON'T have the tool. You may be able to call for it, but your enemy may be able to call for a counter-tool, then you have escalation. If your enemy doesn't call for a counter-tool, but just whines in local, then yeah, you won. But if they wind up with more counter-tools then you have, then you might lose. Real warfare isn't really so rock-paper-scissors, but superior weapons or numbers can often overwhelm superior tactics. If you don't have superior weapons or numbers, then you need to dream up superior tactics. Sometimes, you don't have a wrench for that SAE bolt, so you break out a hammer and chisel instead. Sometimes it works; sometimes, you mess up the bolt, but get it out anyways. Sometimes the bolt's too rusty, and you just dull the chisel.
Don't know if it will continue, but per prices in Jita, looks like Goon is either losing interest, or miners are getting more and more dangerous. Hopefully, a combo of the two. Fly violently all.
eve is like real war because |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.06 17:38:00 -
[42] - Quote
I propose that rather than being an idiotic carebear who has no idea about how spaceship violence works, Luzia Breen is in fact a goon alt who is intentionally trying to trick ice miners into doing incredibly stupid crap that won't actually help them by posting horribly bad suggestions and generally erroneous information that won't do anything to improve their survivability with the intent of further wasting the time and resources of ice miners.
If this is the case then the man who owns that alt is a genius. If not and Luzia's comments are actually those of a real highsec ice miner then the ice miners have no hope and should just give up. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1077
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Posted - 2011.10.06 18:34:00 -
[43] - Quote
There was a gang of miners the other day, 3 mackinaws being given gang bonuses by an Orca and remote-repaired by scorpions. I was unable to kill them with my Hurricane. :( |
Tyrone Cashmoney
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2011.10.07 14:58:00 -
[44] - Quote
Nerf Mackinaws. |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
391
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Posted - 2011.10.07 15:03:00 -
[45] - Quote
Lyris Nairn wrote:There was a gang of miners the other day, 3 mackinaws being given gang bonuses by an Orca and remote-repaired by scorpions. I was unable to kill them with my Hurricane. :(
maybe you should fly a brutix like the pr0s |
Silence iKillYouu
The Innocent Criminals
5
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Posted - 2011.10.08 07:07:00 -
[46] - Quote
Silence iKillYouu wrote:The more u cry. The more they do it.
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Kara Books
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.10.08 11:58:00 -
[47] - Quote
Mineral prices are nice right now and they probably want you all to go and do exactly that, mine Veldspar. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1077
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Posted - 2011.10.08 17:12:00 -
[48] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:There was a gang of miners the other day, 3 mackinaws being given gang bonuses by an Orca and remote-repaired by scorpions. I was unable to kill them with my Hurricane. :( maybe you should fly a brutix like the pr0s But I already have 25 hurricane hulls waiting to be used |
SC0T1SH WARRIOR
Zero For 0wned
8
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Posted - 2011.10.09 12:51:00 -
[49] - Quote
Methinks OP should quit the ice miner and invest in a catalyst. Dont mind me, -ájust touching your stuff. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1155
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Posted - 2011.10.09 16:53:00 -
[50] - Quote
That's cute: hint, in the past week alone there have been over a dozen high-sec Orca kills by goons and allies. |
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Angry Onions
Martyr's Vengence Test Alliance Please Ignore
10
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Posted - 2011.10.09 21:55:00 -
[51] - Quote
Ya know, can't say I care too much about your terribad idea to fight goons/friends E .-+ ` ' / -+. F Your Carebear tears fuel us |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
26
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Posted - 2011.10.09 23:22:00 -
[52] - Quote
Stupid carebears are stupid.
With that said, hats off to the 'swarm. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Jovan Geldon
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
50
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Posted - 2011.10.10 01:44:00 -
[53] - Quote
Resist-Goonswarm wrote:It would take about 12-15 T2-fitted Battleships firing at you simultaneousely to take your orca out
Resist-Goonswarm wrote: The Orca is invulnerable in high sec
Pick one
Also, it's more like 6 if you use properly skilled characters and well-fit ships, thusly
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
409
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Posted - 2011.10.10 03:06:00 -
[54] - Quote
Morgan Flintlock wrote:Is buzzing about Goon space as a group in Stealth Bombers, targeting there own miners not an option? It is the same as what they are doing, and as so many are complaining about it, one would assmue it is effective.......... If you can find any Goons mining in our space please take a screenshot and post it here. They will be trolled out of the alliance.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Quebber
Edge of Midnight Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
1
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Posted - 2011.10.11 15:59:00 -
[55] - Quote
Kudos to Goons, life would not be as much fun without people like them to challenge us, As someone once said EvE is a place where you can do anything you wish which is amazing, that person sitting next to you has exactly the same right and it probably will not be your way of playing.
Goons fun people to fight against or with depending on which side of the fence you live, local spam is entertaining and always fun to play with people who usually not only think outside the box but do not actually believe the box exists in the first place. |
Dank Man
FinFleet Raiden.
2
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Posted - 2011.10.11 19:32:00 -
[56] - Quote
Join Goons as a spy, find their SC pilots (i think they have 1 or 2) batphone R&K, bump SC from shields, agress, timers will extend and their SCs die. You win the isk war. GL to you empire dwellers. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
459
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Posted - 2011.10.11 21:32:00 -
[57] - Quote
Dank Man wrote:Join Goons as a spy, find their SC pilots (i think they have 1 or 2) batphone R&K, bump SC from shields, agress, timers will extend and their SCs die. You win the isk war. GL to you empire dwellers. Confirming that this is a brilliant strategy that nobody has ever tried before. I look forward to the many tears shed by our supercap pilots.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1247
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Posted - 2011.10.12 03:23:00 -
[58] - Quote
Dank Man wrote:Join Goons as a spy, find their SC pilots (i think they have 1 or 2) batphone R&K, bump SC from shields, agress, timers will extend and their SCs die. You win the isk war. GL to you empire dwellers. It's me, I am the spy. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1247
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Posted - 2011.10.12 03:24:00 -
[59] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Dank Man wrote:Join Goons as a spy, find their SC pilots (i think they have 1 or 2) batphone R&K, bump SC from shields, agress, timers will extend and their SCs die. You win the isk war. GL to you empire dwellers. Confirming that this is a brilliant strategy that nobody has ever tried before. I look forward to the many tears shed by our supercap pilots. Better hide your spacedicks when I'm around or I'll spy all over you. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1247
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Posted - 2011.10.12 03:25:00 -
[60] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:I propose that rather than being an idiotic carebear who has no idea about how spaceship violence works, Luzia Breen is in fact a goon alt who is intentionally trying to trick ice miners into doing incredibly stupid crap that won't actually help them by posting horribly bad suggestions and generally erroneous information that won't do anything to improve their survivability with the intent of further wasting the time and resources of ice miners.
If this is the case then the man who owns that alt is a genius. If not and Luzia's comments are actually those of a real highsec ice miner then the ice miners have no hope and should just give up. Something about you is very familiar but I can't take my eyes off your avatar's derpy face to figure out what it is. |
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1247
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Posted - 2011.10.12 03:26:00 -
[61] - Quote
e: duplicate post, sorry! |
Nurse Elise
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.12 10:03:00 -
[62] - Quote
Mining is like sitting on a bench watching others play.......... borrrring. |
Vladimir Helios
Rayn Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
|
Posted - 2011.10.12 18:57:00 -
[63] - Quote
Herping yourDerp wrote:they only have so many minerals and isk, they will get bored and slip up eventually, once ice becomes worth mining people who normally wouldnt mine it will try to mine it, thus goons will have to throw more ships away. it is impossible for a group of people to continue to lock out all the systems with ice. the reward is getting higher for mining ice, eventually the tipping point will happen where ice miners from all over Eve will mine just gallente ice and try to get rich XD
Reading these theories miners put forward about how we will stop the ganking of mining vessels actually makes ratting seem less tedious.
Please miners, keep posting these fantasy stories. I need a good laugh now and again... |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1729
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Posted - 2011.10.12 19:29:00 -
[64] - Quote
Ratting in a Dominix is the only way to rat, that way you can read the forums while the game runs itself. |
Kirith Vespira
Just Abide
0
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Posted - 2011.10.12 22:37:00 -
[65] - Quote
They're playing the game their way, and successfully it sounds. I say good on 'em! |
Tora Oni
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2011.10.12 23:18:00 -
[66] - Quote
Who cares what they do in EVE .... If you play a FPS game and they all use BIGGG weapons, do you cry about it or just get a bigger gun with a bigger group. Its part of the GAME...yes its a game. Even for EVE addicts with white hair. |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
61
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Posted - 2011.10.13 22:19:00 -
[67] - Quote
Confirming that I have a BIGGG weapon. |
Tora Oni
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2011.10.14 10:30:00 -
[68] - Quote
Skunk Gracklaw wrote:Confirming that I have a BIGGG weapon.
And are an EVE addict with white hair...... bit grey, But I'll forgive you for that :P moree smilies... |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
43
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Posted - 2011.10.16 17:50:00 -
[69] - Quote
Looks like it's time for me to build a few more 'rax hulls and go join the shenanigans. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2011.10.16 18:23:00 -
[70] - Quote
antigoone wrote: Goons *can't* take out your barge if Concord is already in the belt.
Ohhh really ? Are you seriously going to challenge us on such a thing ?
The last time someone told us that the greater bob community is too big to fail....You know what happened. And recently, the NC was too big to fail aswell. They go crushed beneath the Eastern Vodka-driven, Bear, who is currently dual-wielding RPGs at this very moment in Stain (Or some region in the south).
I can single-handly take out your Mackinaw with my finest alphasteed. You know, it's called a Tempest. With Artilleries.
Also, despite you saying we don't have much toons with skills to use those, I'm fairly certain we have more than enough dudes for the job, since our main fleet doctrine revolves around swarming a system with 500 Maelstroms with artilleries in order to instapop those pesky tengus/AHACS/Abbadons and whatnot. So believe it, the harder you make it for use to take you down, the better we will feel when we bring 3/4 brutixes to take out your finely tuned plan.
Reps ? We will bump your repping ships out of the way if they are battleships. If they are orbiting logistics,then we will just bump your ship and watch you warp out and warp back in cause you're out of mining range. Or out of range for dropping ice in your mate's orca.
Jams ? Right, doesn't work when you went boom in one single volley.
Suicide ganking us ? Damnit I would pay to see that you know ?
Pretty much all. |
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
115
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Posted - 2011.10.16 19:48:00 -
[71] - Quote
Whats GSF ? |
Romulas Dia Lucrii
Imperial High Command
0
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Posted - 2011.10.17 15:52:00 -
[72] - Quote
I'm surprised CCP doesn't actually have a system where if empire X sees an increase in deaths in Y system then it adds additional police for longer periods during times when said high rate of deaths occur.
I mean if I were the Gallente government, tasked with defending those in my territory, that's what I'd do. So it wouldn't really be appeasing the miners by making it harder to gank miners, it would be a natural response to a threat in their territory. Heck they should be able to setup temporarily stations in hard hit location, basically declaring martial law in systems. |
thrulinn
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.17 16:50:00 -
[73] - Quote
SMT008 wrote:[quote=antigoone]
I can single-handly take out your Mackinaw with my finest alphasteed. You know, it's called a Tempest. With Artilleries.
Spoken like a true NNNNNOOOOOOBBBBBBB
The only people paying this noob alliance are the BOTS |
SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2011.10.17 17:56:00 -
[74] - Quote
thrulinn wrote:
Spoken like a true NNNNNOOOOOOBBBBBBB
The only people paying this noob alliance are the BOTS
Oh, you seems mad.
Sir, if you wish to enhance our customer service, please fill the form below and send it to a Goonwaffe Officer.
Report form
Best Regards. |
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises Tactical Narcotics Team
2
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:01:00 -
[75] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Morgan Flintlock wrote:Is buzzing about Goon space as a group in Stealth Bombers, targeting there own miners not an option? It is the same as what they are doing, and as so many are complaining about it, one would assmue it is effective.......... if you find goons mining in goonswarm space you could probably talk other goons into killing them uugh mining
I can vouch for that, I was bored one day so I thought I would hit up the belts in VFK in my hulk.
Wow that was a bad idea, next thing I knew, I was surrounded by a swarm of rifters.
I hit the Alt, Shift, & Q buttons all at once, the Goons all disappeared.
I went back to mining in my hulk until I noticed Headerman in local. I docked up real fast.
True Story |
thrulinn
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.17 18:52:00 -
[76] - Quote
SMT008 wrote:thrulinn wrote:
Spoken like a true NNNNNOOOOOOBBBBBBB
The only people paying this noob alliance are the BOTS
Oh, you seems mad. Sir, if you wish to enhance our customer service, please fill the form below and send it to a Goonwaffe Officer. Report formBest Regards.
In the 5 or 6 years playing this game, off and on, I have never seen a sorrier excuse of an alliance that I have now. Even BOB was not as ignorant as you trying to pretend your a PVP alliance who's only skill is hitting miners that can not hit back.
Been considering playing the game again. Might still do so, Go back to making the ships every one will lose. |
Goddess Ishtar
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
56
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Posted - 2011.10.17 19:58:00 -
[77] - Quote
thrulinn wrote:In the 5 or 6 years playing this game, off and on, I have never seen a sorrier excuse of an alliance than I have now. Even BOB was not as ignorant as you trying to pretend your a PVP alliance who's only skill is hitting miners that can not hit back.
Been considering playing the game again. Might still do so, Go back to making the ships every one will lose. This post is a precious jewel of rage and ignorance. Never stop posting.
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Miagi Sans
PURgE-Corp PURgE Alliance
0
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Posted - 2011.10.17 23:11:00 -
[78] - Quote
holy hell that was a funny read :) Thanks! |
Bernadictus
S.A.S Pandemic Legion
3
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Posted - 2011.10.19 08:24:00 -
[79] - Quote
Miners, rejoice! Freeport Amamake is now open for 23.5/7 Goon free Ice-mining. Set course now to Amamake and be greeted by the elite peeveepee protection who will shield you from losing Mack's to Goonies. |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2011.10.19 11:09:00 -
[80] - Quote
Bernadictus wrote:Miners, rejoice! Freeport Amamake is now open for 23.5/7 Goon free Ice-mining. Set course now to Amamake and be greeted by the elite peeveepee protection who will shield you from losing Mack's to Goonies.
This looks legit. |
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March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
12
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Posted - 2011.10.19 11:11:00 -
[81] - Quote
Jafit McJafitson wrote:Bernadictus wrote:Miners, rejoice! Freeport Amamake is now open for 23.5/7 Goon free Ice-mining. Set course now to Amamake and be greeted by the elite peeveepee protection who will shield you from losing Mack's to Goonies. This looks legit. why should anybody care about high-sec, ice miners and goons anyway? |
SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
109
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Posted - 2011.10.19 11:13:00 -
[82] - Quote
Bernadictus wrote:Miners, rejoice! Freeport Amamake is now open for 23.5/7 Goon free Ice-mining. Set course now to Amamake and be greeted by the elite peeveepee protection who will shield you from losing Mack's to Goonies.
Go ahead Ice miners, our Tempest alphasteeds won't traumatize you there.
Doomsday devices will, until Winter at least. |
Black Angelus
Battle BV
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 11:39:00 -
[83] - Quote
What are Goons? |
Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2011.10.19 12:01:00 -
[84] - Quote
Black Angelus wrote:What are Goons?
"Goons are a bunch of uncouth, savage, crass, foul-mouthed, vulgar, immature, racist-epithet-uttering ogres who can't seem to say one sentence or make a single joke without using the worst of the worst profanity (or referring to some body function, bodily fluid, or body part, then giggling like a 10-year-old)." |
Black Angelus
Battle BV
0
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Posted - 2011.10.19 12:41:00 -
[85] - Quote
Thanks for the update, a goon sounds like a lovely thing. |
SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
111
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Posted - 2011.10.19 13:21:00 -
[86] - Quote
Remedial, Founder of Goonwaffe (Or something I wasn't there) |
Stalking Mantis
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
35
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Posted - 2011.10.19 20:48:00 -
[87] - Quote
the first thing you need to do is stop posting about it and making websites about resisting the goon. The more attention this gets the longer it will last. |
Bootleg Whammers
Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension
0
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Posted - 2011.10.20 17:04:00 -
[88] - Quote
thrulinn wrote:
In the 5 or 6 years playing this game, off and on, I have never seen a sorrier excuse of an alliance than I have now. Even BOB was not as ignorant as you trying to pretend your a PVP alliance who's only skill is hitting miners that can not hit back.
Been considering playing the game again. Might still do so, Go back to making the ships every one will lose.
This is what its all about... RIGHT HERE.
so many tears. |
Kirith Vespira
Just Abide
3
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Posted - 2011.10.21 16:17:00 -
[89] - Quote
Whine on the forums, or fight back... Hmmm, decisions decisions...
Oh, what the hell, I vote for whining on the forums!! |
Tank Huffington
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.25 05:44:00 -
[90] - Quote
Romulas Dia Lucrii wrote:I'm surprised CCP doesn't actually have a system where if empire X sees an increase in deaths in Y system then it adds additional police for longer periods during times when said high rate of deaths occur.
I mean if I were the Gallente government, tasked with defending those in my territory, that's what I'd do. So it wouldn't really be appeasing the miners by making it harder to gank miners, it would be a natural response to a threat in their territory. Heck they should be able to setup temporarily stations in hard hit location, basically declaring martial law in systems.
Orrrr.... how about actually recognizing a criminal for more than 15 minutes? How many ganks does it take to get you to K.O.S. in Empire? Mass Murderer numbers I'm sure. Oh wait.... I just complimented them. Heh. |
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Tank Huffington
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2011.10.25 05:46:00 -
[91] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:Jafit McJafitson wrote:Bernadictus wrote:Miners, rejoice! Freeport Amamake is now open for 23.5/7 Goon free Ice-mining. Set course now to Amamake and be greeted by the elite peeveepee protection who will shield you from losing Mack's to Goonies. This looks legit. why should anybody care about high-sec, ice miners and goons anyway?
Because High Sec is where all of your warm bodies start out.
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Disastro
Wrecking Shots Morsus Mihi
9
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Posted - 2011.10.25 11:44:00 -
[92] - Quote
Luzia Breen wrote:Honestly, I don't even know how many of us care about what is happening there in Gallente ice belt space. Well, we should care. Goonswarm is taking an extremely well-organized stab at preventing access to all Gallente ice. And they're succeeding. Yes, I'm impressed. I read their battle plan (what was public info, anyway) and it was well-thought out and masterfully executed.
So, Goonswarm's great, and the rest of us "pubbies" just suck? Why? Why do we cry and wring our hands, instead of fighting back? Goons expect us to whine at CCP(who will laugh at us, since Goon is simply using area-denial strategies and not mucking with game mechanics), instead of fighting back. They hope we fight, all the while sighing at the 9,367th whiner in local who just lost their Mack because they didn't come prepared to fight for their piece of ice.
I'm not even an ice miner, yet. I wanted to be, but my Mack is safely stored at the moment. I don't want it to be. I want it to be out there, mining. But I can't. Because first, I need to make sure the ice is clear of Goons, and stays clear of Goons.
So, I know there are smart people out there. I want to hear your ideas about how to clear the belts and keep them clear. I'll start.
I plan to use an alt and repeatedly shoot ice in my noobship w/ the ol' Civilian blaster(Gallente), getting blown up over and over again, but hopefully keeping Concord in the belt. Will this work? Does this totally suck? It's essentially what Goon is doing, yes. According to their anti-Concord strategies.
If it sucks, does anyone have any better ideas, especially long-term ones? Heavily-reinforced fleets will certainly help, but keep in mind Goon will draw resources from other ice-belt systems if they need to take down a heavily-defended fleet. Hiring merc corps for defense?
We need ideas, men and women. And we need to fight. Unless we all want to whine in 6 months because a Tech 2 armor hardener now costs 40m.
First,
I would say there is about a 99?% chance the original poster is a goon swarm alt attempting to drive prices up with whiny posts about ice belts being camped. Perception is more damaging to the market price than the reality. While there are certainly a few goons suiciding in gallente high sec the majority are off in null sec raiding delve nightly or bearing to their hearts content in Deklein.
Second,
One of the responders in this thread pointed out that you can only suicide in high sec so many times before going dead red to concord. This is absolutely true. All it really takes to stop the suiciders is a few fast frigates or interceptors sitting on the nearest high sec to low sec gates. The suiciders will have to come from low sec to high sec because of their security status. Since they are red already all you have to do is get a point on them and concord kills them for you. A couple of points and a sebo would be optimal. You will get a nice little warning message from the faction police or concord every time a criminal comes into local from the gate you are on. Just tackle anyone flashy and concord does the rest. A few well organized mining bears could tackle this project with little difficulty.
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Brom MkLeith
Epsilon Inc STORM.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.25 13:23:00 -
[93] - Quote
Disastro wrote: First,
I would say there is about a 99?% chance the original poster is a goon swarm alt attempting to drive prices up with whiny posts about ice belts being camped. Perception is more damaging to the market price than the reality. While there are certainly a few goons suiciding in gallente high sec the majority are off in null sec raiding delve nightly or bearing to their hearts content in Deklein.
Second,
One of the responders in this thread pointed out that you can only suicide in high sec so many times before going dead red to concord. This is absolutely true. All it really takes to stop the suiciders is a few fast frigates or interceptors sitting on the nearest high sec to low sec gates. The suiciders will have to come from low sec to high sec because of their security status. Since they are red already all you have to do is get a point on them and concord kills them for you. A couple of points and a sebo would be optimal. You will get a nice little warning message from the faction police or concord every time a criminal comes into local from the gate you are on. Just tackle anyone flashy and concord does the rest. A few well organized mining bears could tackle this project with little difficulty.
Be aware that the goonies have put a bounty out on indy ships in Gallente and Caldari space. This isn't the official CCP sanctioned bounty system where you have a "WANTED" poster out for you. The people who are trying to collect these bounties are rarely K.O.S. red. In fact, most of the wannabes, goonies and their lackeys participating in this are perfectly safe in high sec. But.... you can shoot them full of holes as soon as they attempt to gank someone. If you fire fast enough and do enough damage, you might be able to safe the intended victim instead of just avenging the loss of their ship. |
DG Bayley
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2011.10.25 14:37:00 -
[94] - Quote
Brom MkLeith wrote:Be aware that the goonies have put a bounty out on indy ships in Gallente and Caldari space. This isn't the official CCP sanctioned bounty system where you have a "WANTED" poster out for you. The people who are trying to collect these bounties are rarely K.O.S. red. *snip*
You are making the assumption that Goons are actually paying these bounties to people that aren't already their allies. I have no first-hand information to the contrary. Just throwing that out there. |
Brom MkLeith
Epsilon Inc STORM.
0
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Posted - 2011.10.25 15:47:00 -
[95] - Quote
DG Bayley wrote:Brom MkLeith wrote:Be aware that the goonies have put a bounty out on indy ships in Gallente and Caldari space. This isn't the official CCP sanctioned bounty system where you have a "WANTED" poster out for you. The people who are trying to collect these bounties are rarely K.O.S. red. *snip* You are making the assumption that Goons are actually paying these bounties to people that aren't already their allies. I have no first-hand information to the contrary. Just throwing that out there.
LOL. Well they are goonies after all.
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3063
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Posted - 2011.11.10 10:04:00 -
[96] - Quote
thrulinn wrote:SMT008 wrote:thrulinn wrote:
Spoken like a true NNNNNOOOOOOBBBBBBB
The only people paying this noob alliance are the BOTS
Oh, you seems mad. Sir, if you wish to enhance our customer service, please fill the form below and send it to a Goonwaffe Officer. Best Regards. In the 5 or 6 years playing this game, off and on, I have never seen a sorrier excuse of an alliance than I have now. Even BOB was not as ignorant as you trying to pretend your a PVP alliance who's only skill is hitting miners that can not hit back. Been considering playing the game again. Might still do so, Go back to making the ships every one will lose. Right because it's not like our alliance has done anything else in the past year.
Literally everything we have done in recent memory has been this side project. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Theta Squad : Best Squad |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3063
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Posted - 2011.11.10 10:04:00 -
[97] - Quote
DG Bayley wrote:Brom MkLeith wrote:Be aware that the goonies have put a bounty out on indy ships in Gallente and Caldari space. This isn't the official CCP sanctioned bounty system where you have a "WANTED" poster out for you. The people who are trying to collect these bounties are rarely K.O.S. red. *snip* You are making the assumption that Goons are actually paying these bounties to people that aren't already their allies. I have no first-hand information to the contrary. Just throwing that out there. On the other hand there are several testimonies of people outside our coalition receiving bounty payouts. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Theta Squad : Best Squad |
Terakai Darou
Synchron Delta Ops
0
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Posted - 2011.11.10 12:48:00 -
[98] - Quote
It's obvious; Goonswarm is a mining alliance. The other mining barges just happened to be in the way of their mining lasers |
JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2011.11.10 14:04:00 -
[99] - Quote
Option A there is no practical response to GS intifada against miners in which case GS are carebears who won't fight anything that might win. Option B effectice tactics are economically unfeasible. Pick one. |
Tjo Sephagen
The Roaches UNI0N.
7
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Posted - 2011.11.11 00:56:00 -
[100] - Quote
This is a fun thread. We're brainstorming!
I've spent a bit of time in Gallente ice belts recently, as several Goons in this thread will attest.
Free piece of advice: You're doing it wrong.
Also: Your advice is terrible. |
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Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
139
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Posted - 2011.11.11 02:06:00 -
[101] - Quote
I cant think of many things more boring to do than mining ice just to break even on expenses |
Scomarr
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2011.11.12 00:10:00 -
[102] - Quote
Occasionally we 'Pubbies' get lucky. Today, one of my alts killed a Goon who was foolish enough to attack a mining ship with drones deployed. The Goon Alpha'd me, but didn't take me out and gave my drones, and Concord, a precious few seconds to respond. Concord hit him as he killed my ship, but while that was happening, one of my drones got in a lucky last shot and killed him. We killed each other at the same time. I have a KM where I'm the killer, and a KM where I've been killed.
Frankly, the Goon who let a mere miner kill his ship should be kicked from the Goons, but that's for the Goons to decide.
That all being said, Well Done to the Goons for doing what they said they'd do, and meaning what they said. I have only respect for that. |
Fuujin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
43
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Posted - 2011.11.12 06:51:00 -
[103] - Quote
Scomarr wrote:Occasionally we 'Pubbies' get lucky. Today, one of my alts killed a Goon who was foolish enough to attack a mining ship with drones deployed. The Goon Alpha'd me, but didn't take me out and gave my drones, and Concord, a precious few seconds to respond. Concord hit him as he killed my ship, but while that was happening, one of my drones got in a lucky last shot and killed him. We killed each other at the same time. I have a KM where I'm the killer, and a KM where I've been killed.
Frankly, the Goon who let a mere miner kill his ship should be kicked from the Goons, but that's for the Goons to decide.
That all being said, Well Done to the Goons for doing what they said they'd do, and meaning what they said. I have only respect for that.
Protip: you're marked as "final blow" if you did any damage/offensive action to a player who was killed by NPCs |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4005
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Posted - 2011.11.12 10:21:00 -
[104] - Quote
Fuujin wrote:Scomarr wrote:Occasionally we 'Pubbies' get lucky. Today, one of my alts killed a Goon who was foolish enough to attack a mining ship with drones deployed. The Goon Alpha'd me, but didn't take me out and gave my drones, and Concord, a precious few seconds to respond. Concord hit him as he killed my ship, but while that was happening, one of my drones got in a lucky last shot and killed him. We killed each other at the same time. I have a KM where I'm the killer, and a KM where I've been killed.
Frankly, the Goon who let a mere miner kill his ship should be kicked from the Goons, but that's for the Goons to decide.
That all being said, Well Done to the Goons for doing what they said they'd do, and meaning what they said. I have only respect for that. Protip: you're marked as "final blow" if you did any damage/offensive action to a player who was killed by NPCs If you remove the snarky parts that was a pretty shobon post. Sky Captain of Your Heart; Lyris Chronicles of Narnia in the World of Tomorrow's Goonfleet dot Com; Good Poster Extraordinaire and Spacebook Superstar : RIFTERSWARM Theta Squad : Best Squad |
JitaJane
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
30
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Posted - 2011.11.13 09:51:00 -
[105] - Quote
Any KM with a mining vessel is a win. Every KM with a mining vessel is a win. I mean I don't mine. But if you killed something with a hulk you win Eve. unequivocal. The only thing you have to fear is the man who got a kill in a Valator. For he hath balls of iron swaying gently tween his ankles... |
Lairne Tekitsu
Ordo Mercuia
17
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Posted - 2011.11.13 21:38:00 -
[106] - Quote
thrulinn wrote:SMT008 wrote:thrulinn wrote:
Spoken like a true NNNNNOOOOOOBBBBBBB
The only people paying this noob alliance are the BOTS
Oh, you seems mad. Sir, if you wish to enhance our customer service, please fill the form below and send it to a Goonwaffe Officer. Best Regards. In the 5 or 6 years playing this game, off and on, I have never seen a sorrier excuse of an alliance than I have now. Even BOB was not as ignorant as you trying to pretend your a PVP alliance who's only skill is hitting miners that can not hit back. Been considering playing the game again. Might still do so, Go back to making the ships every one will lose.
...Didn't the goons infiltrate and gut BoB? |
Stahlregen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28
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Posted - 2011.11.13 22:53:00 -
[107] - Quote
Lairne Tekitsu wrote:thrulinn wrote:SMT008 wrote:thrulinn wrote:
Spoken like a true NNNNNOOOOOOBBBBBBB
The only people paying this noob alliance are the BOTS
Oh, you seems mad. Sir, if you wish to enhance our customer service, please fill the form below and send it to a Goonwaffe Officer. Best Regards. In the 5 or 6 years playing this game, off and on, I have never seen a sorrier excuse of an alliance than I have now. Even BOB was not as ignorant as you trying to pretend your a PVP alliance who's only skill is hitting miners that can not hit back. Been considering playing the game again. Might still do so, Go back to making the ships every one will lose. ...Didn't the goons infiltrate and gut BoB?
Exactly his point! Goons are physically incapable of PVP. EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A VHS INTO THE SLOT. IT'S CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START DOING THE MOVES ALONGSIDE THE MAIN CHARACTER, RIDDICK. I DO EVERY MOVE AND I DO EVERY MOVE HARD. MAKIN' WHOOSHING SOUNDS WHEN I SLAM DOWN SOME NECRO BASTARDS. NOT MANY CAN SAY THEY ESCAPED THE GALAXY'S MOST DANGEROUS PRISON. I CAN. |
Tjo Sephagen
The Roaches UNI0N.
10
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Posted - 2011.11.14 02:13:00 -
[108] - Quote
Actually, any ganked miner who has drones out and set to aggressive will score a Goon KM. It's literally automatic. Mindless. Miners who do not get killmails are simply doing it wrong (e.g. no drones, not set to aggressive), or possibly their bot is ********.
The ice interdiction has cost Goons hundreds if not thousands of killmails. You belittle their PVP chops, fine. But how far would your alliance go for a critical strategic advantage? Would they suffer thousands of losses in a predictable sec-destroying meat-grinder over the course of months?
Anyone who doesn't see the ice interdiction as the game's single greatest player achievement has no perspective. |
PegLegJack
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2011.11.14 03:27:00 -
[109] - Quote
This thread makes me want to take my main out to mine and see how many goons I can beat and take my alt out to see how many miners I can gank. Why don't we just go do something else? Trying to outwit each other is just too much fun. |
SidtheKid100
Miffed inc.
1
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Posted - 2011.11.14 03:53:00 -
[110] - Quote
Tjo Sephagen wrote: Anyone who doesn't see the ice interdiction as the game's single greatest player achievement has no perspective.
Even greater when they took out BoB?
Oh and @OP: Nice try. Really. Nice try.
I don't always post on the forums, but when I do, I prefer posting with my main. |
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Fresnic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.11.22 21:39:00 -
[111] - Quote
Is it possible to do jet-can mining? Have a bunch of industrials or other smaller/faster ships with expanded cargoholds near the barge and aligned to different stations. Have a fleet of smaller cheaper ships that have tracking/warp disruptors orbiting further away from the barge to try and contain the goonswarm and give the other ships enough time to warp out.
I have no idea how long it takes for a mining barge, an industrial or other smaller ships to warp out once they're aligned. Less than 3 seconds? Would that be enough time? |
Destru Kaneda
CTRL-Q
8
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Posted - 2011.11.22 21:57:00 -
[112] - Quote
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Whats GSF ?
Gridspace Freedom, +720 RS and +79 evades. Music for robots, hackers, pirates, geeks and miscellaneous nerds. |
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