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Ben Fenix
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:44:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Dave stark wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already while i'd love to be able to change the name of a purchased character as some way to signify it has a new owner, at the same time it'd be too easy for people to abuse it. the cost and hassle of a character transfer is nothing in comparison to effectively erasing an entire character's history, even if you can see past aliases since very few people would really bother to check. i think it has more drawbacks than benefits, personally. edit: where would it stop? if you can change your name, why not your corp history, etc. Oh, I see your point completely. It's hard to distinguish where the line would be, and on a personal level I wouldn't support being able to erase or modify a character's corporation history at all. Your history of employment in EVE should always be your character's legacy, and you should on that basis pick and choose whom you work for carefully. There's some good points being brought forward in this thread
History of employment is definitley something that should be kept alive because it's part of a character's personal portfolio BUT what's the idea behind the fact that absolutely everybody is able to look up that history without any effort? It makes absolutely no sense. In real life nobody is able to look up my employment history until I decide to tell somebody.
EVE is a game of complex social interaction but the players aren't given any option to take care of their personal information and privacy. Actually a character in EVE is nothing more than some kind of profile on Facebook or any other social media platform. Just without options to restrict public access to personal information.
Of course this comparison seems a bit to far out but in the end this point of view should at least be taken into consideration when talking about player's employment history. Maybe you should look at it that way: In EVE nothing is given for free. Everything has to be earned. Why should be getting intel any different?
In a world where privacy of personal information nowadays is a highly sensitive topic for everyone I think that in a game world like EVE is simulating one this topic shouldn't be left behind / touched differently. Ben Fenix http://benplus.de |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:46:00 -
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Dont erase the corp histo or even have the char renamed, but have an optional mark in the corp listing at which point a char was transfered to a different account. And ask an x amount for the optional mark. My resists to bad posts are 78-89-83-90 ....... The metal head plate increased it by 5%.
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Emu Meo
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:56:00 -
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Perhaps you could go through a process of erasure from concord records by paying the correct sum to a dodgy inside agent, the payment perhaps based on the number of SPs. You would have all your standings reset, a complete physical re-customisation, and all history removed, and perhaps a loss of 10% skill points as you undergo the rigorous transformation process. That seems to fit in with eve lore, and I think a fair price to pay for those who really do have a truly bad name. Perhaps some kind of visual scarring could be left on your character portrait to indicate that you have been through the process of identity erasure. |
Liandri Jenquai
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.06 01:13:00 -
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I just bought a toon off the bazaar. Would love to change her name :/ |
Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
217
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Posted - 2012.12.06 01:17:00 -
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Abu Tarynnia wrote:Johan Civire wrote:Lord Ra wrote:Name changes yes, but corporation history has to stay. CCP you could make a killing on allowing name changes, many of us want to pay you for a virtual service that eventually could be manned by 1-2 devs after the initial rush so why you no offer?. inb4 'plex for depoll' All no this is sandbox not cleaning the carpet when you doing something wrong. No and no. You want it try to play world of warcraft the do this thing for you. In eve all action comes always back to you. Use your brain before you do something wrong or mess up your names. What ?! It's a service, it's paid for, it's ok since this is EVE .. the ultimate capitalistic game ever. So if I can buy it EVE / CCP should provide it. No problem with that. Either be consequent or begone.
The answer is no you pay for rent a acount not to ownd a acount jezus people read the damn faq and user agrement for ones.
End of discusion now and in the future. stupid world of wacraft players. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
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Posted - 2012.12.06 02:33:00 -
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Its the scum of EvE that make such a change dangerous, as allowing them to recycle or remake characters to avoid past transgressions would definately be abused. Though at the same time, i believe that players that purchase characters should have the option to remake them in their image.
Personally, i think having a record of the accounts names will prevent people from completely cutting off the previous identity, whilst allowing the new owners to show that the account is now under the control of a different person. If this change is also coupled with a price in currency, this should dissuade the forementioned scum from taking too much advantage. Though i don't think the payment should be possible with PLEX, as they are far too easy to aquire for those that are super-rich, but rather actual cash!
Definately don't think their employment history should be removed though. That should be fixed to the character forever!
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Lelob
My Little Pony - Friendship Force
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Posted - 2012.12.06 02:54:00 -
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Corp history could include a line in employment history indicating where a sale of character occurred. |
AraniFyr
OmniStar. Casoff
76
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Posted - 2012.12.06 03:36:00 -
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I bought a character of the bazaar, i love the skillset but i wish i could change the name ( show alias ) and sex of the character, would pay for it! |
Rensari
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.12.06 05:01:00 -
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Yes to both. This esp makes sense if the character was transferred, or if you made the character when you were 10 and picked a dumb name that you regret years later.
Corp history? Yes. If you bought the character or if you have been away from some time and come back but don't want to be tied to your old corp history, starting a new life is nice.
Things you did 10 years ago shouldn't matter. If you don't like the corp history wipe for non-transfered characters, then at least allow it to wipe history from 3+ years ago. So your recent corp history still matters, but you aren't forever punished for things you did as a kid years and years ago. I think this is reasonable. |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
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Posted - 2012.12.06 07:11:00 -
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Simply NO for both! If you are to lazy to train up a char it is your personal problem! If you are to lazy to find a nice name for your char it is your personal problem! If you do some ingame crime you have to life with the resulting problems!
Allowing name change or history delation would open every singel door for griffers, thiefs, spys and maybe even some real life criminals who use EvE for whatever real life crime!
So if you named your char "xXxKillorRoxorThiefKiddyXxX" ... it is YOUR personal fault. Take it as lesson for the next game and take the time (and brain) to find a better one. Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
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Immortal DeathKnight
Hard Knocks Inc.
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Posted - 2012.12.06 08:35:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:People who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name Tell me about it. |
Goran Konjich
Shiva Furnace
14
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Posted - 2012.12.06 08:57:00 -
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History must remain. A LOT of players would like to pay PLEX for name change. <> |
Liandri Jenquai
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.12.06 17:00:00 -
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Liandri Jenquai wrote:I just bought a toon off the bazaar. Would love to change her name :/
PS - I would also LOVE a free customization. When someone is paying $35 to transfer a character a name change and a customization should be included with that fee. Please and thank you in advance. |
Vixisti
4
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Posted - 2012.12.06 17:25:00 -
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Sounds like something that could be done via Incarna with lots of dirty dealings in station with dodgy characters and the transfer of lots and lots of isk.
Make it a player high tier learnable skill - Forgery
There are lot's of ways to make it work and actually add to the gameplay but it would have to be both difficult and expensive. Failure Cascade Augmentation Squad |
Cheekything
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2012.12.06 17:53:00 -
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In terms of names you could always add a nickname option, limited to 10-12 characters, and give it the same timer as the neural remaps.
This way you can have your nicknames above your normal name without much issue.
So in normal chat windows you could have "J" (in blue or something to highlight) John Smith (original name just how it is)
With compact you can add it before the name again in blue
Easiest solution really to bad names.
Reputation makes eve a better place so no changes to corp history full stop. |
Pipman 3000
Vanguard Frontiers Intrepid Crossing
0
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Posted - 2012.12.24 07:21:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
I really support the Idea of a name change service even with it being payable with plex! I have bought toons from corp members and past corp mates but prefer a more themed character so people know its 'ME'.
I like CCP Falcons idea here that there should be some sort of name history so that people could view past aliases to prevent those that have ruined their reputation in the game.
But this is where the limits of this should end. The history/legacy of the character is important especially when you are looking for potential spies, theifs, or AWOX'ers.
As an additional thought to help maybe ad an additional feature in the employment history where CEO's can post a reason for being kicked if this is the case where it would identify that they were a suspected thief, spy, or an awoxer. This way what a person does in their history would be set in stone and maybe effectivly make a character useless to a player other than a highsec toon. |
Ilandrin Yona
Helion Production Labs Mildly Sober
25
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Posted - 2012.12.24 10:18:00 -
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Couldn't you have a PIN (Pilot Identification Number) which is permanent and to which all character history is attached, and then the name field can be changed at will at any time?
If you are worried about people impersonating other players, or hiding their past, well, isn't that just one of the things we all have to be wary of in this cold, harsh distopian world? When in doubt, check the PIN history! ... ..... ....... ... ..... ....... ... ..... ....... ... ..... ....... ... ..... ....... http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Ilandrin_Yona |
Scavy Proximus
Liberty Storm
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Posted - 2012.12.25 12:25:00 -
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Ok, been giving this topic some thought.. IF a namechange system was to be implemented in EVE Online, then I would think it could be done by, as someone mentioned, giving each Pilot a unique and visible ID number.
And if name history should not be visible on character info page, then it should be possible to lookup a name history for a given pilot by using an intel agent, just like you can use a locator agent now.
Same goes for corp history.
This way it allows people to have their name changed, but if they decide to have it hidden, then it's possible to make an intel check on the person to check up on the history on him. So by using some effort it's possible to find a persons background.
One thing to keep in mind, is that in EVE security and intel means a great deal. This would actually add more to the game this way, while still allow people to have their name changed.
It might even be possible to add even more stuff to the intel lookup agent, like stuff about kills and recent losses, and maybe even make it possible to see if a character has changed ownership.. it could be listed like a clone change gone wrong and caused loss of memory. One would think that in a universe like EVE, there would be medical records that would be possible to gain access to, in order to get information like this.
In my humble opinion, this would in the end add to the game experience, and it would give more tools to us paranoid null sec people to worry about
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Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
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Posted - 2012.12.25 12:30:00 -
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The answer is no. Let me try to explane why this is a bad idea. Eve online is a real time mmorpg its a real "gamer" world inside a game. every action you do have a inpackt small or large even if you only sitting in a station and do nothing then reading or chatting can have inpackt in the game. Even the miner have inpackt in the game. If you can hide your name or change it or even worst change corps name this is like i can abuse gods power. No all action comes always back agains you. THINK BEFORE YOU ACT.... Golden tip CCP says before you even play the god damn game.....
O ps before people going in the atack mode* i have buyed this game i ownd the game. NO YOU RENT A ACCOUNT you ownd nothing... So costumer or not thats the rules if you agree on the terms ccp offerd when you want to "rent" a account. Before you even start making a account. Read it for ones. Now in the other hand asking something is not always bad dont push it to far. |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2012.12.25 13:13:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already i think this could be useful for many people. When i buy new char i can't be sure i know enough about his past. I don't care TBH.
Let's say you buy character. You don't need his name or appearance, you don't get his assets and ISK (unless previous owner didn't care about it), you don't care about his past. Mostly you want only skillset. So the solution(s):
1) Clear it all, mark character as "bought" and born with date of transfer (this could be visible somewhere but will not interfere with new name and history like it does stupid mark WANTED). So you can live with it as it is your character from start. If somebody wants to check your character he just checks his birthday and sees: char was bought. No history remains. New owner. You either trust PERSON controlling this char or you don't. It's up to you.
2) Place "pre-buy" history/name/whatever to some "backseat" place like additional button in window "character info". Owner can ignore this area. And when someone too paranoid checks this char he can have access to all information he needs.
I have one character i've bought mostly for jump freighter needs. I really never checked his past. Only seen once in eve-kill that he got caught with some JF somewhere in 0.0. Maybe it is why char was sold? I don't care. Anything what could happen with this char has no connection to me (i mean PERSON).
Once again: we talk here about SPACE PIXELS. Characters don't do s..t itself. Some REAL person does it. Character is asset like ship. Yes for some "RP-like" people characters mean something. But in reality you never can trust any character. You only can trust PERSON controlling this char. And this information isn't a part of char employment history. Add here account sharing (illegal but used very often) and you have even less trust to character. |
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Etherealclams
Clams ate my Narwhal
35
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Posted - 2012.12.25 13:41:00 -
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Jesus, 100$? That's way too much. I'd say 2-4 plex. Other than your pricing issues I fully support this idea. (USER WAS UNBANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Vai Yun
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.12.25 15:50:00 -
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I'd like to contribute to this post by saying that you can in real world change your name in a very easy way. So, what is the problem in New Eden for doing so?
It seems you cannot either change you corp history, same as It occurs in real life.
Anyway, I'd like to see both things allowed, as a standing reset, since this is a videogame, and It is supossed to be fun. It is disgusting when you love your char but hate what the others do to your character sheet.
A PLEX payment would be enought, I consider. |
ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells Beer needs you
208
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Posted - 2012.12.25 16:21:00 -
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What if you had simply grown tired of your characters name, but wanted to keep your history because you had nothing to hide? |
Blast Maken
Roden Industries It's Not Fair
0
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Posted - 2012.12.25 16:41:00 -
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I feel that this should be offered only for character sales. A rule should be introduced which makes it illegal to trade characters between your own accounts in order to clean a history. |
Purity
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.12.25 20:52:00 -
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The point is this, Eve Online is different to other games in that it incorporates accountability.
Don't like your name or your corp history or some of your past choices? Tough! In this game, your actions have consequences.
I know many will think "oh, come on, we can change names in real life, why not in Eve? What harm could it do?" Well, it's the easy way out. It's a further footstep on the dark path to being like every other mmo. Personally, I am not happy that you can simply buy isk in this game (don't pretend that plex is anything else other than this) and I could argue that characters should never be allowed to be sold to new owners.
Removal of these two facets would mean that you really did have to work for every kredit and skillpoint you own. However, I reaise that CCP do have to have income streams from the game and so I can live with (and use) these options. But I think names and history wipes would be making things too easy. If you implement these, then why not other cheats. Why not just demand the following:
1). Multiple shards, so I can have exactly the name I want, no matter whether others already have it. 2). A respawn timer. When my ship gets popped I want it to re-appear in space as before 30 seconds later. 3). Purchasable faction standings - I want to be able to just by the standings I want. 4). Purchasable skillpoints. I want to be able to respec the points I have and buy additional points whenever I feel like it. 5). Killboard cleansing. The removal of all previous killboard stats. 6). A new mmo. One like Eve is today, where your actions and choices actually mean something and thereby have an intrinsic worth to them, rather being a whole random pile of meaningless decisions ultimately affecting nothing. |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1594
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Posted - 2012.12.25 20:59:00 -
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Why are name changes still being discussed? It's obvious this is a wanted feature, and nobody who is opposed to it has put any substantial reason forth other than "your actions have consequences" which is irrelevant since the new system would show your name history anyway. -áObjects in mirror aren't as red as they appear. |
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
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Posted - 2012.12.25 21:00:00 -
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Buhhdust Princess wrote:Name change would make it easieer for people like myself, dhb wildcat, kil2 etc to get fights anyway ^^ This made me lol. Casually grouping yourself with some of the most famous solo pvpers there are.
Edit: Still lol'ing. Damn nature, you scary! |
Elrich Kouvo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
84
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Posted - 2012.12.25 23:35:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already couldn't you just allow this for character purchases? That way the community knows that it isn't the same guy? |
Beta Miner
COBRA Logistics Outer-Haven
17
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Posted - 2012.12.26 00:44:00 -
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I think everyone here believes that history is -everything-, regardless of the individual's circumstances.
So if the history stays with the character, regardless of a change of name or change of corp or change of ownership ... what is the problem? AFK Cloaking? An afk cloaker has never ganked me. In fact a cloaker at his keybourd has never ganked me either.
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Mesacc
New Big Dog Mining
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Posted - 2012.12.26 01:18:00 -
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I wouldent mind being able to clean up my corp history, not to hide anything, but to get rid of the NPC corps I only spent a few hours in between player corps. That and I was in a hurry typing a corp name and mispelled it. had to start all over and it still shows in my history. |
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