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Kathern Aurilen
14
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:17:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Honestly, its the one thing that's kept me from buying a character. Last thing i want is to buy a toon whose name is Fatty McSpankyPants. I think a rename/wiped corp history should only be available if you purchase a toon. After all, when you buy a character there can be a lot of negative history that's hard to know about that comes with it. I think the name change should also have a time limit of like a week. So people who buy a toon can't rack up a history and then a month later change the name.
Hmm. I'll spend years being a corp thief, jumping from corp to corp scamming people for billions and stealing all their stuff, but then I have to stop because no-one will hire me. Oh wait, I don't have to do that at all, I'll just sell myself...to myself. Name change and corp history wipe, thank you that'll do nicely. Now back to doing exactly what I was doing with no repercussions at all because "I'm not the same person anymore".
And if you can't see anything wrong with the above scenario, please get out of EVE and go play solitaire.[/quote]How is that different any different than having a gank alt that gets bio massed every month or so and retrained to gank? Dose that mean when we look at a alt we should see the entire account's history of all their alts? That way I can hunt down their main money making alt and play a lil "Grudge Brothers" or "Judge Mental" with their money like they did to yours? I am a chat alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew -á:(
I named my mining frig adVenture time!! |
Kathern Aurilen
14
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:52:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:You (or the previous owner of the toon you bought) made that toon who/what it is. History matters. Realize you've been a ******* and your history is following you? Too damn bad. Either deal with it, sell the toon, or trash bin it.
Some things shouldn't have a price tag on it to sanitize it. I want to see what kind of douchebaggery you've participated in to know whether you can be trusted or not, and I don't need an API key to do it. But the new owner didn't participate in all the "evil doing"... If we wanna see all the douchebaggery a character participated in... why no show ALL THE ALTS HISTORY??? Look at one see them all. That would show all the history of gank alts and what account they're being funded by that way a gank alt can be hurt where they live and not just gank and bio massed to hide the history, Rinse and Repeat I am a chat alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew -á:(
I named my mining frig adVenture time!! |
Katie Frost
Asgard. Exodus.
149
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Posted - 2013.02.12 02:10:00 -
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This argument has been going back and forth for quite a few years and likewise in this thread.
The bottom line is that there is really no logical counter-argument to implementing this feature while making previous names + corp history available by simply adding an additional tab in the character info labelled "AKA". The name change ability should be time-limited (1 per 12 months), costly (PLEX/Aur) and should also include a full re-sculpt of both gender and portrait in case the person is unhappy with their chosen toon.
There are really no conGÇÖs to this process. It is easy to implement, financially advantageous to CCP and it provides a clearly wanted service for the players. There should be no 'escaping your pastGÇÖ or GÇÿwiping the slate cleanGÇÖ as the previous names and corp affiliations remain recorded with the toon, albeit on a separate tab in the character sheet; so if purchasing a character, players should be encouraged to pay attention to the characterGÇÖs corp history and do some background research. Therefore that whole GÇÿyour reputationGÇÖ argument is settled.
It would be good to hear back from CCP on what their thoughts are on this, besides the initial post by CCP Falcon. I think this thread has run its course in terms of proposing arguments that are not recycled versions of what has been already posted. |
Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.02.12 02:38:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Personally, I think when a character is transferred to another account owned by a different player it should get a name change. It's a new player behind the character so keeping the old reputation isn't a concern. |
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
49
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Posted - 2013.02.12 02:58:00 -
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This sounds suspiciously like an "idea" or an added "feature".
Thank you. |
Kyrin Ravenlock
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.02.12 03:07:00 -
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Since i cant be arsed to read all 17 some pages this may have been suggested already, but since the two sides seem to be the "oh its new rl person the history is now irrelevant" and the " you bought the char deal with the history", how about a compromise? Whenever a character is sold on the bazaar, put a line in the corp history section that says "character was bought on xx/xx/xxxx" This way we keep the characters history intact yet also give those buying a character a way to explain why the characters last 12 corps were robbed to oblivion. While this does lend to the possibility of abuse(via buying your own char with a second account just to get that marker) i think its a acceptable tradeoff to at least give the new owners at least some ground to stand on when a corp looks at their history.
EDIT: on the subject of names, you can change your name irl so i dont see why we cant in game. although just like irl a record should be kept of previous names(somewhere on the char sheet) |
Victor Maximus
The Advent of Faith
5
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Posted - 2013.02.12 04:28:00 -
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I think EVE more than most games need some concept of character renaming. Odds are that for many a good name a decade ago might not quite fit you today.
Instead of a full on character rename what about the ability to create a nickname for a character.
I might set my characters nickname to 'Vic' and in chat, space, mails etc it would show up as such. Once you inspect me however you see both the nickname and the full name in the character sheet. You get to be seen as someone else without it taking more than a click to see who you really are. You can't escape your past.
Limitations, costs, and timers are left to ccp.
As for the corp history, I think we really need a line in the corp history denoting when a character was sold. At a minimum.
What I would really like to see is the character bazzar taken in game, spiced up with a dash of lore a bit of flavor.
Stole from the wrong people? Need to disappear before they 'disappear' you? For a price it can be done, if you can get in contact with the right sort of merchant. Everything has its price, and the only question is if you can pay. Let identities become a commodity, and let people buy or sell theirs.
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Dasola
Rookie Empire Citizens Rookie Empire
143
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Posted - 2013.02.12 05:03:00 -
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My personal view is game has things that need much more developer love then this...
Im not totally against name change, but you should not be able to hide your past. And even name chnage should be limited option and expensive... One name change for 2-3 years allowed and you get big fat flag on your character saying: Not original name...
Eve is game where your choises is supposed to matter, if you can eaily escape some of consequences of those choises, well... Its not eve anymore. Yes its not imbossible now days either to escape them, but you pay by having to reroll your entire charachter...
If you are corporate thief and you just stole 100 bil isk, whats one plex to escape that past? Nothing. Thats why i want name changes to be expensive, seriously. And that high price also means you actually put some thinking into good character name. [Insert something funny or smart here]
Good lord has set me on path, sometimes im confused about what he wants from me. But path leads on, towards why he placed me on this wonderfull planet... |
Desimus Maximus
Adiumentum.
17
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Posted - 2013.02.12 07:25:00 -
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Name change.. on transfer only to an account with separate IP and CC#.
Corp history intrigues me.. Some of us get sucked into a corp that made the promise of uber ISK and players on at all times.. only to find out after 2 weeks that you've seen a total of 3 members online and they are all clueless trolls. It may take time for a pilot to find the right fit.
Corp history could have a 1 month probationary period where you have the option to remove within that time. After the month it is permanent. And personal 1 man corps that we have all created with eyes on dominating New Eden only to find out that you don't like the grind of recruiting after 3 days... Those too could be done away with in corp history.
If not, I guess I'll live. |
Goran Konjich
Shiva Furnace
54
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Posted - 2013.02.12 08:41:00 -
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Take this to assembly hall please. Sh1va Furnace is recruiting. |
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
124
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Posted - 2013.02.12 08:51:00 -
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close this already devs, the answer is NO. this idea goes against all that is EVE. if someone wants a new name and clean history buy a new account. end of ! |
Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
175
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Posted - 2013.02.12 09:16:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote: I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.
I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.
I don't mind a paid name and even race/sex change, provided, as you said, the past identities are freely available. We don't need another Broker, do we? ;)
Though, to be honest, I don't really think it's needed and it would be too easily abused anyway. |
Carniflex
StarHunt
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Posted - 2013.02.12 09:28:00 -
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ISD Praetoxx wrote: Afterall, when you guys purchase a new character, you want to make your own history, not inherit it!
Alternatively you could always wait for the 'Power of 2' offer when it comes around again.
I am opposed to this idea.
If you want to make your own history you make a new character. If you buy a character you are buying it with all its legacy (so pick carefully), which may or may not involve good number of ex-corpmates that would like to see you dead regardless if its profitable or not.
Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
838
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Posted - 2013.02.12 10:32:00 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:close this already devs, the answer is NO. this idea goes against all that is EVE. if someone wants a new name and clean history buy a new account. end of !
Thank you for contributing your opinion, it is part of what makes these forums great. However please respect the rights of others to express THEIR opinions.
I am obviously a supporter of name changes, I am even a fan of name change history through an API function. I do not however, have any interest in buying a character out of the Bazaar until this detail is sorted out. Hey, I just met you... and this is crazy but you popped my Rifter, so don't pod me maybe? |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
124
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:22:00 -
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Tom Gerard wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:close this already devs, the answer is NO. this idea goes against all that is EVE. if someone wants a new name and clean history buy a new account. end of ! Thank you for contributing your opinion, it is part of what makes these forums great. However please respect the rights of others to express THEIR opinions. I am obviously a supporter of name changes, I am even a fan of name change history through an API function. I do not however, have any interest in buying a character out of the Bazaar until this detail is sorted out.
you're welcome, my opinion is needed, if you had read back through the thread you'd have seen i've given mine a few times. so your a fan of changing your name, well it's rather easy man, buy a new one from bazaar and deal with the history it has on it, or,,, but a new account and create a history to your liking.
name and history changes on current accounts is something that should never ever be allowed.
you made your bed,,,,, now sleep in it ! |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2013.02.12 16:33:00 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:close this already devs, the answer is NO. this idea goes against all that is EVE. if someone wants a new name and clean history buy a new account. end of !
You sound scared.
When people feel the need to say "end of" at the end of their sentence you know it is because they are scared.
Actually a Dev replied to this topic and said it was something CCP were perhaps considering for the future but were not certain yet. So you are both scared and incorrect. |
Taihbea
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
124
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:37:00 -
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Leave all previous corps history but let name be changed once per account. Althose P0WnZoRBoYZ named bazaar accounts are ******* stupid. I want their skills not a ******** name. |
Aion Amarra
0
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Posted - 2013.02.12 18:27:00 -
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Assuming a name change history and no corp history wipe, as many people already suggested, I'd be all for it.
Named this char when I was 15, the last name isn't even a reference to Amarrians. It's ridiculous.
Also the initials are A.A.
Been feeling the strong urge to rename it for five years counting. |
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
56
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Posted - 2013.02.12 19:44:00 -
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This [completlely gamebreaking] FEATURE and [proposed way too often, without realizing the ConsequencesGäó of ChoiceGäó] IDEA still resides in General Discussion?
Interesting.
Thank you. |
Huufalem Oskold
Arm and Hammer Industries Beacon Light Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.02.12 19:54:00 -
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Honestly I think name change is brilliantine and the fact eve doesn't have it is ridiculousness! Think of the possibility, I mean for starters people change their names in real life all the time why not in Eve as well? Also the arability to infiltrate and obtain information would be super fun under you new identity. |
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
125
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Posted - 2013.02.13 12:41:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:close this already devs, the answer is NO. this idea goes against all that is EVE. if someone wants a new name and clean history buy a new account. end of ! You sound scared. When people feel the need to say "end of" at the end of their sentence you know it is because they are scared. Actually a Dev replied to this topic and said it was something CCP were perhaps considering for the future but were not certain yet. So you are both scared and incorrect.
get a grip on yourself, concerned yes, scared,, lmfao,,, are you smoking something. look it's real simple, EVE is very very different to every single other game online, nothing is even close to what CCP have given us in EVE. name and history changes would have a huge impact on game play. i can't speak for all, i can only speak for me, my opinion stands as i have stated.
NO to name changes, NO to history changes.
and just for you
end of.
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HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
147
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Posted - 2013.02.13 14:58:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
I feel if it could only be tied to the purchase of the charecter it would be great. The toons history should be tied to the person that played the toon and created its history not the person that buys the toon. On the flip side should you really expect to be able to sell a toon that has a crappy history? |
Zendon Taredi
Doodus Exploration Corporation
27
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Posted - 2013.02.13 15:44:00 -
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Hell no. Hell no. Hell no. Freaking nightmare. I do background checks for a mid-size alliance. |
YuuKnow
boom-town
643
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Posted - 2013.02.15 00:07:00 -
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Would be easy to put previous name as an alias. Should show up in a character search as well (old and new).
yk |
Hazzard
Imperial Guardians Tribal Band
24
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Posted - 2013.02.15 17:36:00 -
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Tom Gerard wrote:The problem:
Everytime I look for a character on the Bazaar he turns out to be a corp thief or otherwise unwelcome.
Solution:
Offer paid name changes that include a full history wipe.
$100 per character, would reduce abuse of the mechanic, maybe even only allow it on transferred characters.
The Bazaar is not nearly as awesome as it could be, make it that awesome!
Awful idea. If the char does something bad the history should follow. |
Goran Konjich
Shiva Furnace
54
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Posted - 2013.03.18 12:04:00 -
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Repeating myself again:
Namechange = 2PLEX every 3 years
History = no change, always visible on char info Old name = no change, always visible on char info
Simple. boring |
Doctor Ape MD
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.03.18 14:29:00 -
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I think having a name change service is a good idea, as long as there is a record of it somewhere in the API along with a corp history. I mean, I don't think I should look at somebody and see 'Super Badboy (aka xxXxB@dboyxXxx) or whatever with a 'show info', but I should be able to see it with an API key. I also think the 'old corp history' should be stored in the API but not immediately visible to other random people. Let that person explain the change to their new corp (bazaar transaction, hated old name, whatever).
I mean, I can change my name in RL with no problem, so what's the big deal?
Personally, the fact that it could enable nefarious people to do more wacky corp hijinks doesn't really bother me. It just means corps will have to be more careful in how they recruit. This is Eve after all. Maybe set some limitation that allows one name change at character creation and one more every couple of years (sort of like a remap) to stop people from abusing it.
I would say that, either way, if CCP is going to do it, they should just do it right. None of this $100 dollar to change name stuff. Either do it and make it accessible for most capsuleers (a PLEX or similar fee), or don't bother with it at all. |
Milan Nantucket
New Eden Misfits
12
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Posted - 2013.03.18 16:16:00 -
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Instead of a name change do a mind transfer... basically charge for transferring all the skills from one toon to the other. Old toon simply starts at 0. New toon starts with the skills that were transferred.
Call it a breakthrough in clone technology or something... when your podded your mind technically transfers to a new clone. |
Tiberius StarGazer
StarGazer Heavy Industries And Exploration
308
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Posted - 2013.03.18 17:16:00 -
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Personally, you buy the "persona" of that particular toon, his skills, history, and other useful information. It wont matter to the other people on the end of their computers that this "name" has someone different behind it, at the end of the day, that charecter is that charecter.
I would always aproach buying a toon the same way as you buy a second hand car, you vet its history, you check the servicing and make sure its road worthy. Afterall you want to make sure your not buying a stolen car or one thats been in a crash dont you?
If you dont want to play as a corporate theif, then make sure your not buying one.
Instead, I suggest that maybe the vetting ability for people either buying AND recruiting new players to their corporation be improved so that people can either
i) Check the history of their charecter before purchase or
ii) Allow other people see that the charecters ownership has changed.
However, I can imagine ii would be opened up to a whole load of abuse with people passing around the same charecter for whatever requirements they have. |
marVLs
100
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Posted - 2013.03.18 17:39:00 -
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Corp history cleaning? Yup |
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