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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:12:00 -
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The buddy system has been a great success and lots of buddies have been invited to become important spaceship pilots since it-¦s birth. We've now added a whole new dimension to the buddy system with the "Open buddy invites"!
To learn more about this, please feast your eyes on CCP Delegate Zero's new blog.
And as always...leave your questions and pondering right here.
Yeah, buddy! CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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Mar Drakar
LDK Test Alliance Please Ignore
50
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:25:00 -
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DEATH TO ALL PONIES
as for no more plexes from this program, I find that reasonable, because with url based recruitment it could cause some unbalanced plex concentrations.
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Alx Warlord
The Scope Gallente Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:26:00 -
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This is good stuff! Please read this! > New POS system ( Block Built - Starbasecraft) Please read this! >-á[Debate] - ISK SINK |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
751
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:29:00 -
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That's going to irritate the 51 day alt cyclers.
That's not a bad thing. It's not like they're bringing any RL cash to the game. Or using up any plex FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
Magic Crisp
Amarrian Micro Devices Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:38:00 -
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everybody needs some buddy :) so if i invite 12, then i'll play for free for a year? :)
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Sarmatiko
779
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:38:00 -
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It's good to know that some of the suggestions from Newsletter vol. 61 survey were accepted and now implemented
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Warr Akini
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:43:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:That's not a bad thing. It's not like they're bringing any RL cash to the game. Or using up any plex
Not emptyquoting for emphasis. The URL seems to be a pretty good way for getting the name out, but using that as a guise to nuke the PLEX-for-PLEX under the banner of "we're sure you understand" is simply not putting out enough effort to ~really~ gain understanding. |
Oxandrolone
Bite Me inc
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:43:00 -
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reserved |
Tanaka Aiko
ICE is Coming to EVE Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:47:00 -
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I understand the need to avoid abuse (and from what I heard there's a lot of that...), but I hope you know that means people won't use this anymore when in need of alt accounts, they'll have to wait for the next power of two if the $$ option is the only one left for upgrading and gain something. |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
82
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:50:00 -
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Warr Akini wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:That's not a bad thing. It's not like they're bringing any RL cash to the game. Or using up any plex Not emptyquoting for emphasis. The URL seems to be a pretty good way for getting the name out, but using that as a guise to nuke the PLEX-for-PLEX under the banner of "we're sure you understand" is simply not putting out enough effort to ~really~ gain understanding.
U still get the plex but only if your "friend" pays with cash. |
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Plaude Pollard
Crimson Cartel
86
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:56:00 -
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I honestly don't think changing it is going to make me use the Buddy System. Not because I don't want to, I just don't know anyone in real life who's interested in playing EVE aside from the few that already play it.
Also, the pictures at the bottom of the devblog ruined it completely. New to EVE? Want to learn? The Crimson Cartel will train you in the fields of your choice. Mainly active in EU afternoons and evenings. Contact me for more info. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Imperial Guardians Tribal Band
798
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:57:00 -
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Reflink best link |
Warr Akini
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
16
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:03:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:[U still get the plex but only if your "friend" pays with cash.
Not "how" but "why" is what I'm looking for here, at least that CCP is either nerfing FW again, nerfing alt inflation (that's not even a term but I made it up so there), trying to keep PLEX prices down, etc is what I'm looking for.
And you are truly late on fighting FW alt propagation, seeing as how you've just nerfed its money-making potential into the ground (and with it my beautiful 50b freighter killmails full of nothing but +5s).
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:04:00 -
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I wonder what this will open up hehe
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Joneleth Rein
Odysseus Co
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:11:00 -
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First page!
This is a very nice change, especially as the new goodies keep attracting more people :D
But I have to comment about the Plex-for-Plex removal. Although I completely understand the reason behind it and support it being removed until there are ways to secure it from the obvious abuse , I would urge you to try and find a reasonable way to return it. From the point of view of a small corporation starting it was a real big help,as it made it really easier to convince friends to join,try it and get hooked
But, jokes aside, the plex given to them was by far the biggest boost I've seen .It instantly made them not think like other MMOs/games they played and forget about needing to make ISK at least for the first months,focusing on what they find more enjoyable to do, rather than trying to "level up" their character in the traditional non-sandbox way.
Spider Pig!-áSpider Pig! Does what a Spider Pig does.. Can he swing? From a web.. No he can't. He's a pig. |
Joneleth Rein
Odysseus Co
10
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:12:00 -
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Chribba wrote:I wonder what this will open up hehe
This is a pretty cool change though. Will this at all affect the affiliate program?
/c Also, this. Will the direct buddy invite programm still be available? If yes is it changed as well according to the new rules? Spider Pig!-áSpider Pig! Does what a Spider Pig does.. Can he swing? From a web.. No he can't. He's a pig. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1095
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:16:00 -
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Magic Crisp wrote:everybody needs some buddy :) so if i invite 12, then i'll play for free for a year? :)
If they all upgrade using real money, yes. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Thomas Gallant
Choke-Hold
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:29:00 -
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ROFL at the ponies
Anyway, I see spammers in our future... |
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CCP Delegate Zero
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:35:00 -
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Let me answer a few of the arising questions.
Rewards
The PLEX reward remains as an option, alongside 30 days of game time, whenever a buddy upgrades their account using an eligible payment method other than a PLEX.
As a note, if it is not clear, if a buddy upgrades their account using a PLEX the 30 days game time reward is still available to the inviter.
Direct invites
The direct, one-to-one, invite option remains available and operates on the same terms as the open invite as regards rewards: PLEX upgrades will only make the game time reward available.
Affiliate Program
The affiliate program is a completely different scheme and is unaffected by changes to the Buddy Program.
Thanks for your feedback so far, we'll continue to monitor this thread and clarify any points as necessary. Also do feel free to make suggestions for additions and improvements to the program in the future.
CCP Delegate Zero | Content Editor | Twitter: @CCPDelegateZero |
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Arydanika
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
159
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:42:00 -
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This is and interesting change. I don't really feel it's good or bad, just a different way of doing things. I can see how this can be good for players who just want to put an advertisement up and get people in to the game. The free game time will be good for them. The removal of PLEX-for-PLEX is understandable with this a single unlimited link (and also if CCP wanted to nerf 51 day accounts ) , but I'm not sure if it's the best course of action for all.
I say that because I have a fan site. Having a image link where people who are interested in Eve and want to try it is great. I don't have to worry about individual links and can just set it up and not worry about maintenance and other annoying crap. The flip side is, as a fan site I have no need for free monthly game time for the account that link will be linked to. That's already one of the benefits for being a fan site. The Plex was a great option for fan sites because they can used as prizes for events and contests I hold. While there is certainly a benefit for CCP and new players, the benefits for my listeners and I have been removed.
In retrospect of typing this post I suppose I could route the link through one of my alts, but they're pretty much taken care of as well. I'd rather have a way to convert that time in to something else that would benefit my fan site. That was one of the great things about PLEX-for-PLEX (and the 51day alts).
I hope the community team will takes the time to revisit this change and provide other benefits for fan sites. Voices from the Void; a bi-weekly podcast and weekly news vlog featuring current events of the MMORPG Eve Online. Check out other Eve Online podcasts by visiting the Eve Online Pod Pack. |
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1095
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:47:00 -
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I find the image of an evil unicorn shooting peaceful unicorns rather..... disturbing. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Ryan Farmern
Rhongomiant Legion Industries ESS Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:47:00 -
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I do not agree with this at all.
Plex for Plex should be an option.
I have made 8 alts using Plex for Plex and to not have to pay for them for then the first few months is a good way for me to have alts.
I guess no more alts for anyone and no more friend invites.
CCP, you don't have to change things like this. Please change it back. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
753
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:50:00 -
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Ryan Farmern wrote:I do not agree with this at all.
Plex for Plex should be an option.
I have made 8 alts using Plex for Plex and to not have to pay for them for then the first few months is a good way for me to have alts.
I guess no more alts for anyone and no more friend invites.
CCP, you don't have to change things like this. Please change it back.
No more /free/ alts.
Otherwise, well, you're paying for them anyway. You just get 'free' time on your main account (on the last alt account, depending on how you deal with them) FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
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CCP Spitfire
C C P C C P Alliance
1614
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:51:00 -
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Arydanika wrote:This is and interesting change. I don't really feel it's good or bad, just a different way of doing things. I can see how this can be good for players who just want to put an advertisement up and get people in to the game. The free game time will be good for them. The removal of PLEX-for-PLEX is understandable with this a single unlimited link (and also if CCP wanted to nerf 51 day accounts ) , but I'm not sure if it's the best course of action for all. I say that because I have a fan site. Having a image link where people who are interested in Eve and want to try it is great. I don't have to worry about individual links and can just set it up and not worry about maintenance and other annoying crap. The flip side is, as a fan site I have no need for free monthly game time for the account that link will be linked to. That's already one of the benefits for being a fan site. The Plex was a great option for fan sites because they can used as prizes for events and contests I hold. While there is certainly a benefit for CCP and new players, the benefits for my listeners and I have been removed. In retrospect of typing this post I suppose I could route the link through one of my alts, but they're pretty much taken care of as well. I'd rather have a way to convert that time in to something else that would benefit my fan site. That was one of the great things about PLEX-for-PLEX (and the 51day alts). I hope the community team will takes the time to revisit this change and provide other benefits for fan sites.
While I agree that the fansites could use some more love in this regard, what about the affiliate program? Would it work for you the way it is currently set up?
CCP Spitfire | Marketing & Sales Team @ccp_spitfire |
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Draven Da'Sshae
ScionTech Services The Gurlstas Associates
0
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:06:00 -
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While the buddy system has needed more of a community theme (beyond the limit of your personal friends), I disagree with removing the PLEX-for-PLEX option. It's obvious that this is only being done so CCP can make more money off PLEXes. |
Arydanika
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
159
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:12:00 -
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CCP Spitfire wrote:While I agree that the fansites could use some more love in this regard, what about the affiliate program? Would it work for you the way it is currently set up?
I think there might have been some crossing posting. I did not see that post until after I posted my original statement. I did amended it to say I'll be referring further judgement until I had time to read over all of that glorious text. I missed the Affiliate link at the bottom of that page also. Maybe something a little more attention grabbing in the main text for us Blindy McBatsighted people?
Also: YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! PONIES! *squeak* Voices from the Void; a bi-weekly podcast and weekly news vlog featuring current events of the MMORPG Eve Online. Check out other Eve Online podcasts by visiting the Eve Online Pod Pack. |
Karl Planck
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
294
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:20:00 -
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when is this change taking place? Low-sec Best-sec |
Arydanika
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
159
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:22:00 -
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And now that I have read the Affiliate Program information I have more things to post.
First, this looks absolutely great. The payouts are incredibly generous and the commissions are way more than what most Time Code Affiliate Program's pay out. The brackets seem a little unreasonable when coming from the perspective of small website sites, but it's a 100% payout with a starting payout of 50% which is just stupid to argue over for reasons already mention.
Secondly, please consider a non-cash option. For US residents the site owners would have to put in W2s and pay taxes on our revenues. Cash affiliate programs can also get us in to copy right trouble depends on how our podcast is setup, if we use Creative Commons material etc. The legal ramifications cash incentives produces may cause some fan sites to not to participate in the program. A non-cash payment option would be nice and it allows CCP to keep those revenues so we can have more iteration, ships and other cool non-jesus features.
Lastly, with the above comments in mind, CCP did well by adding PayPal as a payment provided. PayPal does create tax forms for those in the US and it such an easy handling method when it comes to things like this. Voices from the Void; a bi-weekly podcast and weekly news vlog featuring current events of the MMORPG Eve Online. Check out other Eve Online podcasts by visiting the Eve Online Pod Pack. |
Anabaric
Kadavr Black Guard Shadow Cartel
6
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:33:00 -
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Arydanika wrote:In retrospect of typing this post I suppose I could route the link through one of my alts, but they're pretty much taken care of as well. I'd rather have a way to convert that time in to something else that would benefit my fan site.
This is the obvious idea for fansites, and exactly what I will do with mine, that way the benefits can still be shared. Previously I've always split the isk of a buddy reward with the new buddy.
Site: http://pvp101.net Blog: http://imsdemons.pvp101.net-á Lowsec Ebil Piwate. |
Ryan Farmern
Rhongomiant Legion Industries ESS Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:34:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Ryan Farmern wrote:I do not agree with this at all.
Plex for Plex should be an option.
I have made 8 alts using Plex for Plex and to not have to pay for them for then the first few months is a good way for me to have alts.
I guess no more alts for anyone and no more friend invites.
CCP, you don't have to change things like this. Please change it back. No more /free/ alts. Otherwise, well, you're paying for them anyway. You just get 'free' time on your main account (on the last alt account, depending on how you deal with them)
No I've since then paid for these alts for almost a year now. But this doesn't encourage people to get any more alts. I thought the point of Eve was to make alts.
No matter if I get my 81 days of free play, CCP still get's more money for more alts.
They keep messing with the buddy system. They take PayPal out and back in. Now they take Plex for Plex away? I don't see the point unless the 81 day alts are just such a problem. Wait... How are more accounts a problem for CCP?
This is the worst thing I've seen for a game company. It does not help players, it takes stuff away from us. |
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