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Azumi Zimu
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
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Posted - 2012.10.30 11:57:00 -
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Dalneya Yakovtu wrote:Azumi Zimu wrote:We depend on a regulated ordered society precisely because of what happens when there is no authority.
And what happens? Bad things.
My bone with that statement - and excuse me if I'm being daft - is that it is essentially meaningless. "You know what happens to people if they don't breathe? They asphyxiate." Well, yes, they do. So?
I was responding to the person I quoted, who brought up the formation of society? You're never going to understand the context if you don't read it. |
Dalneya Yakovtu
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.30 12:00:00 -
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Azumi Zimu wrote: I was responding to the person I quoted, who brought up the formation of society? You're never going to understand the context if you don't read it.
Except for where you didn't quote anyone |
Riedle
Paradox Collective Choke Point
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Posted - 2012.10.30 12:00:00 -
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Fluffy Sheep wrote:Of course it doesn't.
It reflects the nature of some who play this particular niche game.
Don't be fooled into thinking that the lack of empathy from many who play this game and post on here is a cross section of life on the planet. I know all players I come across in the game are real people. Going by what I read here though, there's many who like to post that don't... Well I'd like to think that at least. Otherwise they truly are 1 dimensional self righteous arseholes who get kicks from stomping on others for their own gain & enjoyment.
I think most just don't quite get it and are riding the wave of anonymity / fantasy role play. If really faced with someone they just caused pain, I believe many would back track a little to undo any discomfort for them. Empathy, compassion.
Yes.
I'm a care bear.
I love you all... Unless you are a true toss wad without any remorse for willing or unwilling pain you inflict on others. Then I only care for those who may feel for you. You can go f@#k yourself.
Never mistake empathy for others as a weakness.
It's a strength.
What a bunch of incomprehensible pablum.
I still maintainn that if you feel 'pain' because I blew up your imaginary, internet spaceship - in a game about blowing up imaginary, internet spaceships - the problem is yours, not mine.
The self righteous, ridiculously entitled notion that you deserve EMPATHY because you are too emotionally stunted to be able to handle your imaginary internet spaceship being blown up is the height of ridiculousness and deserves all the mockery and scorn that can possibly be heaped upon it.
You candy asses who actually hand out such empathy to the immature, emotionally under developed, spoiled children are simply attempting to feather the nest of your self imagined superiority of others.
I think it can be said that you also have led a very sheltered life if you actually believe these imbeciles are worthy of your 'empathy' and should thank the gods that you have led a life that, thus far, has been so ridiculously luxiourious that you are able to argue, with a straight face mind you, that having your imaginary, internet spaceship blown up is genuine 'pain' and therefore worthy of your morally superioristic empathy.
The whole notion of it all makes me sick.
H T F U
There. I feel better.
Riedle |
stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.10.30 12:41:00 -
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So if I understand the OP, Step 1. A cooperative and civilized society creates the internet. Step 2. Internet Anonymity allows/encourages people to act nasty and mean toward each other online. Step 3. Ergo, the Nature of Humanity is EvilGäó.
The only people who should take Eve seriously enough to draw parallels between online behavior in a game and behavior in real life are CCP and the professional RMT'ers. Why? Because they actually have skin in the game since their next meal depends on selling services to people in the real world. Everyone else can just unsub and walk away from Eve.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head. Feature Request: -áDamnation Ship Codpiece-áfor the NeX store.
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Azumi Zimu
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
99
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Posted - 2012.10.30 12:45:00 -
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Dalneya Yakovtu wrote:Azumi Zimu wrote: I was responding to the person I quoted, who brought up the formation of society? You're never going to understand the context if you don't read it.
Except for where you didn't quote anyone
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Dalneya Yakovtu
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.30 13:10:00 -
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Azumi Zimu wrote:Dalneya Yakovtu wrote:Azumi Zimu wrote: I was responding to the person I quoted, who brought up the formation of society? You're never going to understand the context if you don't read it.
Except for where you didn't quote anyone Dalneya Yakovtu
Aah gotcha, sorry I thought you were talking about some third party :)
OK then let's get back to the start of our discussion:
Quote:Have you guys considered how it would look if society crumbled and this veneer of civility were stripped away?
Look at what happens inside prisons, or certain areas of Africa for example.
What was your point with this? I took it to mean something about how nasty you think human nature is, in line with your previous posts especially at the start of this thread. But if societal behavior is the natural state of man, then man's behavior in an unnatural state (ie. no society) is just as relevant as the assertion that man dies when he doesn't breathe. Which is not very relevant at all. |
Azumi Zimu
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
99
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Posted - 2012.10.30 13:24:00 -
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Dalneya Yakovtu wrote: What was your point with this? I took it to mean something about how nasty you think human nature is, in line with your previous posts especially at the start of this thread. But if societal behavior is the natural state of man, then man's behavior in an unnatural state (ie. no society) is just as relevant as the assertion that man dies when he doesn't breathe. Which is not very relevant at all.
Human nature pertains to the individual, society pertains to humanity. |
Dalneya Yakovtu
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.30 13:37:00 -
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Azumi Zimu wrote: Human nature pertains to the individual, society pertains to humanity.
The two can't be separated. Society is the sum of its parts. In order for a structured society to be the natural state of man, it must be "human nature" at the individual level to want to seek out other people and make societies with them. |
Azumi Zimu
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
99
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Posted - 2012.10.30 13:41:00 -
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Dalneya Yakovtu wrote:Azumi Zimu wrote: Human nature pertains to the individual, society pertains to humanity.
The two can't be separated. Society is the sum of its parts. In order for a structured society to be the natural state of man, it must be "human nature" at the individual level to want to seek out other people and make societies with them.
You don't need to separate them, it's natural for humans to form society in order to protect themselves from other individuals.
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Azumi Zimu
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
99
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Posted - 2012.10.30 13:45:00 -
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That's what I was trying to say here
Quote:We depend on a regulated ordered society precisely because of what happens when there is no authority. |
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Dalneya Yakovtu
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.10.30 13:48:00 -
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Azumi Zimu wrote: You don't need to separate them, it's natural for humans to form society in order to protect themselves from other individuals.
This assumes that society is an evolutionary adaptation to protect the species from itself, which is absurd. |
Azumi Zimu
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
99
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Posted - 2012.10.30 13:51:00 -
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Dalneya Yakovtu wrote:Azumi Zimu wrote: You don't need to separate them, it's natural for humans to form society in order to protect themselves from other individuals.
This assumes that society is an evolutionary adaptation to protect the species from itself, which is absurd.
What's absurd about an animal finding protection in numbers?
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Dalneya Yakovtu
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.30 14:15:00 -
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Azumi Zimu wrote:[quote=Dalneya Yakovtu][quote=Azumi Zimu] What's absurd about an animal finding protection in numbers?
Nothing.
What is absurd is the idea that an animal with no other strong evolutionary advantage could ever be successful enough that it would need to develop mechanisms to protect it from itself. Societal behavior must have developed as a survival mechanism first in order for humans to ever become a credible threat to each other. Otherwise the species would have killed itself off in very short order. |
Azumi Zimu
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
99
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Posted - 2012.10.30 14:24:00 -
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Dalneya Yakovtu wrote:Azumi Zimu wrote:[quote=Dalneya Yakovtu][quote=Azumi Zimu] What's absurd about an animal finding protection in numbers?
Nothing. What is absurd is the idea that an animal with no other strong evolutionary advantage could ever be successful enough that it would need to develop mechanisms to protect it from itself. Societal behavior must have developed as a survival mechanism first in order for humans to ever become a credible threat to each other. Otherwise the species would have killed itself off in very short order.
Society isn't unique to humans, it's found in similar forms throughout mammalia. You're making the mistake of glorifying humanity and it doesn't surprise me considering your outlook. We study social interaction in monkeys, even dolphin pods. You know, dolphins can defend themselves against and even kill a shark, this is relevant to what we're discussing.
It's interesting you brought up evolution considering I think you need to consider our origins when talking about human nature. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
1610
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Posted - 2012.10.30 14:29:00 -
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Azumi Zimu wrote:
It's interesting you brought up evolution considering I think you need to consider our origins when talking about human nature.
Ah, so our nature comes from our "divine creator, who created us in his own image and loved us all very much", is that what you were gonna say?
I think I rather be result of evolutionary progress over the millions of years then and credit our human nature thing to the environment that we grow up in and anything else that may trigger a darker side of our behavior. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Azumi Zimu
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
99
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Posted - 2012.10.30 14:29:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:Azumi Zimu wrote:
It's interesting you brought up evolution considering I think you need to consider our origins when talking about human nature.
Ah, so our nature comes from our "divine creator, who created us in his own image and loved us all very much", is that what you were gonna say? I think I rather be result of evolutionary progress over the millions of years then and credit our human nature thing to the environment that we grow up in and anything else that may trigger a darker side of our behavior.
Did you even read the beginning of my post?
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
1610
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Posted - 2012.10.30 14:33:00 -
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Azumi Zimu wrote:Alpheias wrote:Azumi Zimu wrote:
It's interesting you brought up evolution considering I think you need to consider our origins when talking about human nature.
Ah, so our nature comes from our "divine creator, who created us in his own image and loved us all very much", is that what you were gonna say? I think I rather be result of evolutionary progress over the millions of years then and credit our human nature thing to the environment that we grow up in and anything else that may trigger a darker side of our behavior. Did you even read the beginning of my post?
Nope. As it was obvious it came from a accredited armchair psychologist such as yourself, I thought I'd waste no time at it and jump right into the middle of it. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Azumi Zimu
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
99
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Posted - 2012.10.30 14:35:00 -
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Alpheias wrote: Nope. As it was obvious it came from a accredited armchair psychologist such as yourself, I thought I'd waste no time at it and jump right into the middle of it.
Nice job there. |
Azumi Zimu
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
99
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Posted - 2012.10.30 14:37:00 -
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Next topic: The breathtaking stupidity within humanity, why democracy will always inevitably fail. |
Dalneya Yakovtu
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.30 14:52:00 -
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Azumi Zimu wrote: Society isn't unique to humans, it's found in similar forms throughout mammalia. You're making the mistake of glorifying humanity and it doesn't surprise me considering your outlook. We study social interaction in monkeys, even dolphin pods. You know, dolphins can defend themselves against and even kill a shark, this is relevant to what we're discussing.
It's interesting you brought up evolution considering I think you need to consider our origins when talking about human nature.
I'm afraid you've missed my point entirely.
My point was that humans did not develop societal behavior to protect themselves from other humans. It developed much earlier, long before the ancestral species were even recognizable as primates. And it developed as an evolutionary advantage for a species that was physically unimpressive but quite high on brainpower.
The fact that so many other species (not just mammals either) display similar behavior and thrive on it underlines that very point.
It must be human nature to be social creatures. It can't be some sort of artificial overlay that keeps our supposed "true nature" in check. If people were naturally inclined to rob, **** and kill their way through life, we would now be living in a profoundly different world (probably one with no humans in it). |
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