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Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
1601
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Posted - 2012.10.29 18:38:00 -
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Ah, delicious popcorn! I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Dessau
72
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Posted - 2012.10.29 18:46:00 -
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Webvan wrote:Dessau wrote: ~dishonorable scoundrel~. I don't see anything inherently wrong with falcons or blobs. So if a blob of falcons protect an industrial fleet from pirates, they are dishonorable scoundrels? "Fairness" is reserved for fairy tales. Sorry, the tildes of facetiousness must be malfunctioning. User error here.
Channel 'Asymmetrics'. PvP for gentlepersons. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1652
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Posted - 2012.10.29 18:52:00 -
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Dessau wrote:Webvan wrote:Dessau wrote: ~dishonorable scoundrel~. I don't see anything inherently wrong with falcons or blobs. So if a blob of falcons protect an industrial fleet from pirates, they are dishonorable scoundrels? "Fairness" is reserved for fairy tales. Sorry, the tildes of facetiousness must be malfunctioning. User error here. Such tilde power. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
159
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Posted - 2012.10.29 19:11:00 -
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If eve reflected what humanity truly is, it would mean girls are 5% of the population, and women would be so rare that every time they speak to a male it would be an exciting experience O_o
I mean don't tell me you haven't had at least one of those times when a girl comes onto corp/alliance coms and everyone is like WHAT A GIRL!?>!?? |
Jonni Favorite
Sundown Logistics SpaceMonkey's Alliance
146
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Posted - 2012.10.29 19:32:00 -
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Eve attracts a certain kind of audience, it's certainly not a representation of all humanity. Good guess though.. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
257
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Posted - 2012.10.29 21:40:00 -
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Warde Guildencrantz wrote:If eve reflected what humanity truly is, it would mean girls are 5% of the population, and women would be so rare that every time they speak to a male it would be an exciting experience O_o
I mean don't tell me you haven't had at least one of those times when a girl comes onto corp/alliance coms and everyone is like WHAT A GIRL!?>!??
Of course default EVE mindset, she must be getting paid to be here. Bringing up the more accurate analogy.
EVE is what happens to men when they don't have women around to keep them from ripping each other to shreds. |
Luc Chastot
Moira. Villore Accords
44
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Posted - 2012.10.29 21:57:00 -
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Wow, this is silly. Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
1024
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Posted - 2012.10.29 22:14:00 -
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CCP Eterne wrote:Removed a post. Racist remarks, even silly ones in jest, are not allowed.
But it's ok to call all Minmatar dirty stinking slave scum? Just want to make sure we're on the same page. :) Where I am. |
Galaxy Pig
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
52
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Posted - 2012.10.29 22:23:00 -
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Yes! DEATH TO GALLENTE! They are a plague, and must be purged. For the State. |
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
539
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Posted - 2012.10.29 23:00:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Gogela wrote:EvE is the world if it were populated with immortal, homocidal sociopaths. I don't think it's a good analog to RL ;p We only need to work on RL immortality then. Cause that's the point, right? We're all homicidal sociopaths because we: Bump miners Gank freighters Use falcon Blob We are. In RL wartime. We did. We still do. And. Much. Worse.
In fact so much of what we do and have done defies the ability to comprehend what we have done. "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
539
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Posted - 2012.10.29 23:02:00 -
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Ocih wrote: EVE is what happens to men when they don't have women around to keep them from ripping each other to shreds.
Spoken like a true woman.
"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
79
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Posted - 2012.10.30 01:08:00 -
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Eve Lunaris wrote:as I could see in EVE Online that there are no morals no restrictions too human capabilities. Does this translate well to reality itself? The strong consume the weak and the smart control the dumb. I see it as the natural order of what things should be.
Why is there much suffering and destruction in this world? Why does evil return every time it is defeated?
As I play I see how it appeals to people. Death and destruction is what humanity desires. People deep within desire their own destruction.
Society is a sham, it prevent humans from embracing their dark nature.
Peace allows the weak to exist and stagnate humans.
I see it now, people desire a world where there is suffering and destruction.
The suffering and pain that will be inflicted upon all, a grim reaper that strike upon all equally.
Imagine a world where every one went through every physical, mental, and spiritual tortures committed by humans in history. A hell where the weak perish, and those who survive hell are the ones worthy of existence. A world where strong and beautiful things exist.
Eve is not reflecting anything.. Its a game. Besides that so called humanity is all about making kids. And survival. Thats whole story about "humanity". |
Mars Theran
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
360
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Posted - 2012.10.30 02:42:00 -
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Whatever happened to that Psych evaluation of the playerbase that University was doing anyway? zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
Mars Theran
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
360
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Posted - 2012.10.30 02:52:00 -
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btw.. I disagree with you. Only some Humans have a dark nature; you are over-generalizing. Granted, we are all flawed in one fashion or another, and many of us have plenty of problems, while some of us even have a beastly nature despite all attempts to be otherwise. Can't be helped.
That doesn't mean we are evil however, and it certainly doesn't mean society is preventing us from giving in to this nature. Actually, the darkest of us are likely the products of our society, more so that being of a nature predisposed to that darkness.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHA7p9t4yCQ
Some of us are just that, and the predisposition to this nature makes us vulnerable to that other nature. It is the environment we grow up in and experience as we mature that determines whether we will begin to fall into that nature of darkness. The two aren't so far apart really, and most of us have some measure of wildness to us.
All you have to do is look at history and the greatest evils committed therein, to see the truth of the matter, and where evil truly finds its home. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
Karrl Tian
Star-Trackers
13
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Posted - 2012.10.30 03:13:00 -
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The true nature of humanity is staring at multiple boxes on a screen and mashing F1. |
Fluffy Sheep
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.10.30 04:26:00 -
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Of course it doesn't.
It reflects the nature of some who play this particular niche game.
Don't be fooled into thinking that the lack of empathy from many who play this game and post on here is a cross section of life on the planet. I know all players I come across in the game are real people. Going by what I read here though, there's many who like to post that don't... Well I'd like to think that at least. Otherwise they truly are 1 dimensional self righteous arseholes who get kicks from stomping on others for their own gain & enjoyment.
I think most just don't quite get it and are riding the wave of anonymity / fantasy role play. If really faced with someone they just caused pain, I believe many would back track a little to undo any discomfort for them. Empathy, compassion.
Yes.
I'm a care bear.
I love you all... Unless you are a true toss wad without any remorse for willing or unwilling pain you inflict on others. Then I only care for those who may feel for you. You can go f@#k yourself.
Never mistake empathy for others as a weakness.
It's a strength. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1652
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Posted - 2012.10.30 04:36:00 -
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Karrl Tian wrote:The true nature of humanity is staring at multiple boxes on a screen and mashing F1. And then afking for about half an hour. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Remiel Pollard
Devlin Security Devlin Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.10.30 04:50:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:btw.. I disagree with you. Only some Humans have a dark nature; you are over-generalizing. Granted, we are all flawed in one fashion or another, and many of us have plenty of problems, while some of us even have a beastly nature despite all attempts to be otherwise. Can't be helped. That doesn't mean we are evil however, and it certainly doesn't mean society is preventing us from giving in to this nature. Actually, the darkest of us are likely the products of our society, more so that being of a nature predisposed to that darkness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHA7p9t4yCQSome of us are just that, and the predisposition to this nature makes us vulnerable to that other nature. It is the environment we grow up in and experience as we mature that determines whether we will begin to fall into that nature of darkness. The two aren't so far apart really, and most of us have some measure of wildness to us. All you have to do is look at history and the greatest evils committed therein, to see the truth of the matter, and where evil truly finds its home.
History itself also shares with us another fascinating trend - that those who use power to dominate often fall to those powerful enough to stop them. Not to say the good guys always win in reality, but humanity is a social species by nature, and most people recognise the need for a civilised one in which it is our social duty to uphold some semblance of civilised discourse towards others. We also recognise the duty of those with power is to serve society - we might not say so, many might not even believe so, but we recognise it every time we go to the polling booth to vote for our next federal leaders (whatever country you might be in).
I guess what I'm trying to say, in the tl;dr version, is that history has demonstrated a trend for civilisation to grow more and more civilised, even with its occasional returns to anarchy and chaos we are all still moving towards a more peaceful world where most people really do just get along. We are achieving this due to a painful process of trial-and-error - humanity has learned, for example, that "burning witches" is barbaric, new communication technologies have vastly improved our ability to realise that our foreign neighbours aren't that different from ourselves, and certainly aren't our enemies. For the most part.
In fact, less than a hundred years ago, many Americans believed that the Japanese people were all out to kill them - every one of them. This was not the case, however, and many Japanese citizens didn't want to be at war any more than America did. Since then, we've learned this, and we know that the citizens of the world don't want to be at war with anyone.
It is the rich and powerful who wage the wars, but it is the poor that fight them. People need to realise, though, that in that, it is the poor that then have power over the rich - as soon as the poor refuse to fight, then the rich lose their power. So power itself is not a currency for domination and control - how you wield it, however, makes all the difference.
I am 12 and what is this?? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1652
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Posted - 2012.10.30 05:03:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:It is the rich and powerful who wage the wars, but it is the poor that fight them. People need to realise, though, that in that, it is the poor that then have power over the rich - as soon as the poor refuse to fight, then the rich lose their power. So power itself is not a currency for domination and control - how you wield it, however, makes all the difference. Indeed. It's a good FC that can get the blob ready in the first place. It isn't easy work for them to get all the blues together so that the enemy will cry and stay docked.
Boat <3 Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Remiel Pollard
Devlin Security Devlin Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.10.30 05:18:00 -
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It's probably also important to remember that while EVE is a fantastic emulation of a "reality" in which we can play a very real part, it is a reality that has very little influence on the world in which we consciously reside. I've chosen my words very carefully here because I don't care for a conversation and/or debate about "what is reality" - when time spent on a computer game starts to cut into your work/study/meals etc, then you have a problem. Additionally, a war fought on EVE is not costing lives, it is simply lots of lines of code doing their thing to emulate a war. You have nothing real to lose in a game, and neither does humanity - out here, beyond EVE, people have something to lose, and far more than just their dignity or pride. Out here, one homeless person is one unproductive member of society.
You can carry one of two mindsets in this situation - either he is unproductive and therefore needs to be culled so as not to weigh down humanity, or he is unproductive and therefore he can be MADE TO BE PRODUCTIVE and become a benefit to society. Why destroy what you can use yourself? One way of thinking is destructive and wasteful, the other is creative and useful. You decide which one you'd rather see implemented in reality, see if you can understand which one IS being implemented in various parts of the world, and then determine the nature of humanity. I am 12 and what is this?? |
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BoSau Hotim
2160
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Posted - 2012.10.30 06:02:00 -
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Did OP's ship just get ganked?
Dark post, maybe you haven't met many players in Eve or in real life? Just a guess. It's a game. Some peeps will help you fit a ship, some will help you out of your ship.
I've found all types of peeps in this game just like in RL..
WAIT... WHAT AM I SAYING!! ?? EVE IS REAL!
whew... I'm not a carebear...-áI'm a SPACEBARBIE! |
Brannsy
Sathainn Braithrean Cartel Apocalypse Now.
31
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Posted - 2012.10.30 06:10:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:btw.. I disagree with you. Only some Humans have a dark nature
I disagree. Everyone has a dark side in their own way, however the fear of repercussions from outside forces keep those impulses and desires at bay. If you push a person hard enough, or persuade them to act on their fantasies, they are capable of horrible things. However without a strong enough force, or an environment free of potential intervention or punishment these things will never come to be.
That said, some people people are more inherently....evil? (Evil is a relative term and is subject to opinion and few point discrepancies) Or they are more inherently good, however everyone can be pushed hard enough, and some already know just how far down the rabbit hole goes. |
Azumi Zimu
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
98
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Posted - 2012.10.30 06:18:00 -
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Have you guys considered how it would look if society crumbled and this veneer of civility were stripped away?
Look at what happens inside prisons, or certain areas of Africa for example. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Holistic Materials Research Council
2086
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Posted - 2012.10.30 06:28:00 -
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Signal11th wrote: It's called Swindon
Matt is that you?
Swindon is magnificent, just check out the magic roundabout Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |
Mars Theran
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
363
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Posted - 2012.10.30 07:22:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:You can carry one of two mindsets in this situation - either he is unproductive and therefore needs to be culled so as not to weigh down humanity, or he is unproductive and therefore he can be MADE TO BE PRODUCTIVE and become a benefit to society. Why destroy what you can use yourself?One way of thinking is destructive and wasteful, the other is creative and useful. ...
All I've got to say is, "wtf?"
zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
Webvan
State War Academy Caldari State
110
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Posted - 2012.10.30 07:38:00 -
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Brannsy wrote:Evil is a relative term It's absolute, and resulting to the fall of entire civilizations (e.g. Rome).
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Dalneya Yakovtu
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.10.30 10:37:00 -
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Azumi Zimu wrote:Have you guys considered how it would look if society crumbled and this veneer of civility were stripped away?
Look at what happens inside prisons, or certain areas of Africa for example.
Oh, you have it all backwards. Yes, the cultural pessimist's sloppy fantasy of society being suddenly "stripped away" would likely result in a lot of Bad Things(tm) happening. Leaving the ridiculous notion of such societal collapse aside for the moment, the resulting carnage is not caused by man being naturally violent and nasty - it's caused by man being naturally peaceful and cooperative.
Living in a structured society is man's natural state of being. Fifteen strangers become shipwrecked on a deserted island and the first thing that happens: someone takes charge and starts dividing tasks. Rudimentary society is born.
Now, take any particularly large and complexly structured society and strip that away, the shock is so great that a degree of anarchy sets in before society re-asserts itself. It's a neurosis. It's like a dog going apeshit when you try to make him live in a small room. It offends the natural state so much that behavioral patterns no longer "click." Unpredictable, destructive behavior emerges.
It never lasts very long, a generation or two at most. The anarchic state usually sprouts a new, structured society fairly quickly as people become fed up with getting beaten to death over the nearest loaf of bread. Where society fails to emerge, the remnants immolate themselves. Anarchy never thrives. |
Azumi Zimu
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
98
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Posted - 2012.10.30 10:58:00 -
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Dalneya Yakovtu wrote:
Oh, you have it all backwards. Yes, the cultural pessimist's sloppy fantasy of society being suddenly "stripped away" would likely result in a lot of Bad Things(tm) happening. Leaving the ridiculous notion of such societal collapse aside for the moment, the resulting carnage is not caused by man being naturally violent and nasty - it's caused by man being naturally peaceful and cooperative.
Living in a structured society is man's natural state of being. Fifteen strangers become shipwrecked on a deserted island and the first thing that happens: someone takes charge and starts dividing tasks. Rudimentary society is born.
Now, take any particularly large and complexly structured society and strip that away, the shock is so great that a degree of anarchy sets in before society re-asserts itself. It's a neurosis. It's like a dog going apeshit when you try to make him live in a small room. It offends the natural state so much that behavioral patterns no longer "click." Unpredictable, destructive behavior emerges.
It never lasts very long, a generation or two at most. The anarchic state usually sprouts a new, structured society fairly quickly as people become fed up with getting beaten to death over the nearest loaf of bread. Where society fails to emerge, the remnants immolate themselves. Anarchy never thrives.
I didn't say society wasn't natural. I was pointing to two examples where the dark side of human nature can be observed. Even in our society now you can see selfishness and cruelty. Look at urban youths in nearly all American cities, attacking the defenseless in small groups for sport.
In one of the situations you described the people were intimately dependent on each other for their own survival (ship wreck). Their cohesion was a matter of their own individual survival and uniquely selfish.
We depend on a regulated ordered society precisely because of what happens when there is no authority.
And what happens? Bad things.
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Lyrka Bloodberry
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
86
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Posted - 2012.10.30 11:44:00 -
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Many people say that they act like criminals in EVE because they cannot do it in real life. Making other people's lifes miserable is not allowed in our real world. In EVE it is. But my question is why the desire to act that way is there in the first place?
I personally never felt like that that. I do not have fun making other people's life worse. Be it in a game or outside. Of course I play a game to do something I cannot do in real life. And of course I played a pirate or criminal in games before. The difference is: I only acted against the AI, never against real people.
And that is the aspect many here do not seem to understand. There is very few roleplay in EVE. When you interact with other players in EVE, you do not interact with fictional characters, but with the person behind the screen. Actually, although I said people do not seem to understand that, I think people to understand that very well. And that's why they act the way they do. They make other people's (not character's) life miserable and are allowed to do so, because of the often used excuse "It's just a game, I would not do it in real life!". That's not true. A game, in which you interact with other players is a part of real life.
That is why I think EVE can absolutely be regarded as a picture of what would happen, when you took away the rules of our society.
Another point is: In EVE you can do what you want. - You can join all the other players to build up a utopia without wars or conflicts between players (which you cannot do in real life) - You can destroy everything other people try to build up. (which you cannot do in real life) So when there's the option to do something you cannot do in real life, why do so many people pick the latter over the former?
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Dalneya Yakovtu
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.10.30 11:51:00 -
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Azumi Zimu wrote:We depend on a regulated ordered society precisely because of what happens when there is no authority.
And what happens? Bad things.
My bone with that statement - and excuse me if I'm being daft - is that it is essentially meaningless.
"You know what happens to people if they don't breathe? They asphyxiate."
Well, yes, they do. So?
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