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Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2012.10.25 14:43:00 -
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Tali Ambraelle wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Tali Ambrelle, what would you do to stop miner bumping? What game mechanic would you change? I have no idea, it's not my job. I express my disapproval, I don't claim to know how to run a game. Collision mechanics won't work as that's far too exploitable. Concording or banning them is laughably un-Eve. Aside from the duct tape solutions that might work for now, I couldn't come up with an answer. Could you? Aside from letting them continue to bump?
I don't need to, I'm quite happy with the way things are. |
Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
93
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Posted - 2012.10.25 14:45:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:I don't need to, I'm quite happy with the way things are.
Well good for you then...enjoy the game! |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1954
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Posted - 2012.10.25 14:47:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:James 315 wrote:Tali Ambraelle wrote:James 315 wrote:In all seriousness though, there are plenty of ways to defend against bumpers. Go mine in low/null and shoot them. In all seriousness though, no. They don't want to because they don't want to be interrupted in THEIR game play style. Whether shooting or bumping. Your logic is wrong. Why should my game play style be interrupted then, pray tell? If CCP let you blow up asteroids with the same rules as can flipping, would you guys do that instead of bumping miners? Hell yeah i would! :D Imagine that!
"YOU ROTTEN SON OF A MOTHERLESS GOAT THAT WAS MY ROID YOU PAY ME RIGHT NOW I WILL PETITION YOU YOU WILL GET BANNED I HATE YOU YOU ******* **** SUCKING KING OF ALL EUNUCHS!!!!!!"
(edit: and that wasnt half as bad as with what some come up!) Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
svenska flicka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2012.10.25 14:47:00 -
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Tali Ambraelle wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:I don't need to, I'm quite happy with the way things are. Well good for you then...enjoy the game!
Don't knock it until you try it. |
Sentamon
192
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Posted - 2012.10.25 14:48:00 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote: Define a defense mechanism against miner bumping that wouldn't make Jita 4-4 the most hilarious place in New Eden.
Sounds like an added bonus to me. That station needs to be nuked.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
604
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Posted - 2012.10.25 14:49:00 -
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Tali Ambraelle wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:I don't need to, I'm quite happy with the way things are. Well good for you then...enjoy the game!
I do! Even mining! |
Da'iel Zehn
Evil Frosty's Premium Liqours and Fine Wines
3
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Posted - 2012.10.25 14:50:00 -
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"Rise now white whale. Show us your crooked jaw. Show us your wrinkled brow... He rises!" |
None ofthe Above
352
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Posted - 2012.10.25 14:53:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Well, yes and no. Even back then, the Wiki says it was only griefing when used "outside of a fight". But the New Order only bumps to fight for what's right, to fight for a better highsec. So even back then it would have been allowed.
Nice bit of propaganda, but I doubt even you believe that. EVE is a sandbox; The only "end-game" content in EVE is the crap that makes you rage-quit.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10103
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Posted - 2012.10.25 15:03:00 -
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None ofthe Above wrote:James 315 wrote:Well, yes and no. Even back then, the Wiki says it was only griefing when used "outside of a fight". But the New Order only bumps to fight for what's right, to fight for a better highsec. So even back then it would have been allowed. Nice bit of propaganda, but I doubt even you believe that. Seeing as how you conveniently overlooked a rather important part of the text, it was never a bannable offense: GÇ£These include (but probably are not limited to) repeatedly bumping someone in a situation where it does not provide tactical advantageGÇ¥.
So no, extortion and market manipulation will do just fine as reasons why it's not griefing. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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svenska flicka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
42
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Posted - 2012.10.25 15:04:00 -
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best bio I ever read was a week alt showing up in 0.0 systems saying "pay me 100mill and I will leave."
Think we need to adopt the line "pay me 100mill and I stop bumping you." |
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Mirima Thurander
The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
347
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Posted - 2012.10.25 15:04:00 -
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Tali Ambraelle wrote:No More Heroes wrote:Zkaor wrote:Will someone at CCP please allow miners defend (destroy) the bumpers ship without Concord intervention. As it is now all miners hands are tied and MUST submit to their extorsion tactics with no means of defense.
P.S. If this should be posted elsewhere please let me know...thanks Pay the fee, it's 10m isk to afk to your little hearts content. Why should he have to pay a fee for a resource center that does not belong to this group? Because this is eve. Deal with it what u think u where signing up for.WOW in.space? A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |
Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
93
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Posted - 2012.10.25 15:09:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:Because this is eve. Deal with it what u think u where signing up for.WOW in.space?
Aren't you the edgy one? |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
379
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Posted - 2012.10.25 15:32:00 -
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High sec industrialists are their own worst enemy.
You guys already have an unending flow of resources that allows you to build considerably more crap that high sec can even consume, driving prices down to near break even points, and requiring you to build even more **** to make up for the abismal profit margins.
And they constantly ask CCP to make changes that will just exacerbate the problem even more.
Seriously, WTF is wrong with some of you people?
Industrialists need MORE WAYS to impact copetition and slow mineral, resource, and production output in high sec.
December 4th needs to get here. Then, James supporters could donate money by placeing bounties on the heads of the miners.
High sec's communist grip on the economy needs to end.
My crystal balls are telling me that by Dec. 5th the forums will be awash in tears from high sec industrialists who have the EXACT SAME TOOLS to fight back with, demanding CCP nerf the bounty system because null sec players are 'forcing" their playstyle on them.
You have no idea how excited I am. I do not give two ***** about people that DO NOT IMPACT MY GAMEPLAY. NC. they make me more money, not less. War is good, and I am my enemies biggest fan, when I make money off them.
High sec industrialists lose me money. I have no reason to like you, or to not want to see your communist regime burn.
I will be happy to put money towards anything that will improve the economic situation that the communist center has created in nearly a decade of iron fisted rule. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2554
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Posted - 2012.10.25 15:50:00 -
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svenska flicka wrote:best bio I ever read was a week alt showing up in 0.0 systems saying "pay me 100mill and I will leave."
Think we need to adopt the line "pay me 100mill and I stop bumping you." I love little fruitloops like this. They are the sort of nubbins who will take their free rifter and burn 400k to try and tackle a smartbombing titan. These are the players we want to keep. |
Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
18
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Posted - 2012.10.25 15:53:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:What next? allow miners to mine spacerocks from station?
mining spaceminerals like technetium from stations? Jeepers, that would ruin the game in minutes!
oh.
~not sure if srs~ |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
380
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Posted - 2012.10.25 15:57:00 -
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Vanyr Andrard wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote:What next? allow miners to mine spacerocks from station? mining spaceminerals like technetium from stations? Jeepers, that would ruin the game in minutes! oh. ~not sure if srs~
The stupidity.
Because we can blow up NPC stations, right?
Go back to your communist center and stop demanding CCP to further push your play style on us. |
svenska flicka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2012.10.25 15:59:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Vanyr Andrard wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote:What next? allow miners to mine spacerocks from station? mining spaceminerals like technetium from stations? Jeepers, that would ruin the game in minutes! oh. ~not sure if srs~ The stupidity. Because we can blow up NPC stations, right? Go back to your communist center and stop demanding CCP to further push your play style on us.
Goons are very much like communism and you guys are the most vocal and adamant people in eve when it comes to pushing your playstyle on others. Some goons even became CCP developers (good ones.)
Are we going for irony today? tomorrow sarcasm yes?
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TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc
435
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:02:00 -
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Tali Ambraelle wrote:Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:Tali Ambrelle, what would you do to stop miner bumping? What game mechanic would you change? I have no idea, it's not my job. I express my disapproval, I don't claim to know how to run a game. Collision mechanics won't work as that's far too exploitable. Concording or banning them is laughably un-Eve. Aside from the duct tape solutions that might work for now, I couldn't come up with an answer. Could you? Aside from letting them continue to bump? TheGunslinger42 wrote: If bots, afks and miners in general are being interdicted though then the prices of minerals will rise, which is good for Johnny Newbie.
Except that the ship prices will also continue to rise even higher. Same with modules. TheGunslinger42 wrote:If bots, afks and miners in general are given even more protection the prices of minerals drop, which is bad for Johnny Newbie if he wants to join the ranks of filthy miners. So now you're trying to spin this as a defense for the "filthy miners?" To ensure they can continue?...right...
No, just highlighting that the argument can be used both ways when it comes to pros/cons of buying things. |
Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
18
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:07:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Vanyr Andrard wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote:What next? allow miners to mine spacerocks from station? mining spaceminerals like technetium from stations? Jeepers, that would ruin the game in minutes! oh. ~not sure if srs~ The stupidity. Because we can blow up NPC stations, right? Go back to your communist center and stop demanding CCP to further push your play style on us.
I don't live in the communist center. Why would you think I do? (and i'm on record as being in favor of all your suggestions about changing highsec and nullsec) Does someone else have a similar name to mine? You seem to be just hurling random senseless accusations about. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2557
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:16:00 -
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svenska flicka wrote:[quote=Natsett Amuinn] Goons are very much like communism and you guys are the most vocal and adamant people in eve when it comes to pushing your playstyle on others. Some goons even became CCP developers (good ones.) Are we going for irony today? tomorrow sarcasm yes? we dont force anything on anyone. We simply defend our right to play in the sandbox and fight against attempts to remove playstyles some dont like.
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Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
380
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:18:00 -
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svenska flicka wrote:Goons are very much like communism and you guys are the most vocal and adamant people in eve when it comes to pushing your playstyle on others. Some goons even became CCP developers (good ones.) Are we going for irony today? tomorrow sarcasm yes? High sec communist propeganda.
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Arya Greywolf
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:19:00 -
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Tali Ambraelle wrote:
It's quite simple really, you vile PVP undesirables simply refuse to listen;
Eve is a sandbox, not just a warzone. Things die, but they also thrive. You have the right to play your way, even when it comes to ganking a bear. Why? Because at that point, bears have teeth and can counter attack. Whether they do or not is up to them.
However, bumping is a different scenarios. Bear's cannot effectively "gank" them in the traditional sense of the word. They do not have a single company or entity. Nay, half of them are sat inside NPC corps, while the rest are spread out. War deccing them would be a financial sink hole and a useless investment with MAYBE 1 or 2 kills to be had.
For now, miners try to orbit, or AB/MWD back, web each other, counter bump the enemy or bump each other back, but this is not as effective as the game disrupting activity of bumping them away in the first place.
This is what makes them undesirables that must be removed or nerfed; there is no effective counter to them. If it was all one corp, or a gank, or even lowsec, I'd tell the bears to remember their teeth and claws, suck it up, and fire back. This is not the case. It is not considered an "exploit" since it is a game mechanic, as so many workingasintended-tards tend to lean on.
Therefore, they interrupt, without consequence, the gameplay of those who choose to sit in a quiet corner to themselves, talk on corp chat, make a meal, or do whatever and mine their little hearts out. They do not pay to be griefed; they pay to play. I don't care if "this is Eve" or "working as intended" or "get over it." If I could kill you in the game to stop you, this wouldn't be an issue, but the current aggression tactics are not conducive to an effective counter attack.
That is why they are undesirable belligerents. That is why they should be removed. That is why I stand with the bears.
What is your reason, besides annoying people and being generally unproductive?
And don't bother with the "why should they interrupt my gameplay?" Your right to game play ends where it infringes on others' rights.
I honestly and legitimately wish that a large portion of industrialists and miners would simply cease their activities and unsubscribe for a while. Let's see if the claim that they can be replaced really does hold up the eve economy.
It's quite simple really, you vile PVE miner undesirables simply refuse to listen;
Eve is a sandbox, not just farmville. Things are built, but they also die. You have the right to play your way, even when it comes to mining in high sec. Why? Because at that point, minerals are crummy. Whether you mine there in relative safety is up to you.
However, afk/botter mining is a different scenario. Pirates cannot effectively "gank" them in the traditional sense of the word because of the recent buff to mining barges. They do not have a single company or entity. Nay, half of them are sat inside NPC corps, while the rest are spread out. War deccing them would be a financial sink hole and a useless investment with MAYBE 1 or 2 kills to be had.
For now, pirates have to invest much more ISK to get effective ganks on miner/haulers compared to before the EHP buff to these ships. Now miners and haulers can effectively orbit, or AB/MWD back, web each other, counter bump the enemy or bump each other back.
This is what makes them undesirables that must be removed or nerfed; there is no effective counter to them. If it was all one corp, or a fail-fit hulk, or even lowsec, I'd tell the pirates to remember their teeth and claws, suck it up, and purge the miners and bears. This is not the case. It is not considered an "exploit" since it is a game mechanic, as so many workingasintended-tards tend to lean on.
Therefore, they interrupt, without consequence, the gameplay of those who choose to gank and interfere mining/PVE gameplay, talk on corp chat, make a meal, or do whatever and gank their little hearts out. They do not pay to be afk miners; they pay to play. I don't care if "this is Eve" or "working as intended" or "get over it." If I could kill you in the game to stop you, this wouldn't be an issue, but the current EHP buff to mining barges and Concord are not conducive to an effective attack.
That is why they are undesirable belligerents. That is why they should be removed. That is why I stand with the pirates.
What is your reason, besides annoying people and being generally unproductive?
And don't bother with the "why should they interrupt my gameplay?" Your right to game play ends where it infringes on others' rights.
I honestly and legitimately wish that a large portion of pirates and gankers would simply cease their activities and unsubscribe for a while. Let's see if the claim that they can be replaced really does hold up what is (now if you're still following...) the entire point of a sandbox and EVE online. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
380
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:20:00 -
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Vanyr Andrard wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Vanyr Andrard wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote:What next? allow miners to mine spacerocks from station? mining spaceminerals like technetium from stations? Jeepers, that would ruin the game in minutes! oh. ~not sure if srs~ The stupidity. Because we can blow up NPC stations, right? Go back to your communist center and stop demanding CCP to further push your play style on us. I don't live in the communist center. Why would you think I do? (and i'm on record as being in favor of all your suggestions about changing highsec and nullsec) Does someone else have a similar name to mine? You seem to be just hurling random senseless accusations about.
Preposterous!
Seriously though, the entire thing read very much to me like you were trying to make some point about how moon mining works; so high seccers mining from stations wouldn't break anything anymore than moon mining does.
Did I read it wrong, is it clearer than i thought it was? |
Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
18
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:41:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Vanyr Andrard wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:Vanyr Andrard wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote:What next? allow miners to mine spacerocks from station? mining spaceminerals like technetium from stations? Jeepers, that would ruin the game in minutes! oh. ~not sure if srs~ The stupidity. Because we can blow up NPC stations, right? Go back to your communist center and stop demanding CCP to further push your play style on us. I don't live in the communist center. Why would you think I do? (and i'm on record as being in favor of all your suggestions about changing highsec and nullsec) Does someone else have a similar name to mine? You seem to be just hurling random senseless accusations about. Preposterous! Seriously though, the entire thing read very much to me like you were trying to make some point about how moon mining works; so high seccers mining from stations wouldn't break anything anymore than moon mining does. Did I read it wrong, is it clearer than i thought it was?
It was just a little joke, or at least an attempt at one. |
svenska flicka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:42:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:svenska flicka wrote:Goons are very much like communism and you guys are the most vocal and adamant people in eve when it comes to pushing your playstyle on others. Some goons even became CCP developers (good ones.) Are we going for irony today? tomorrow sarcasm yes? High sec communist propeganda.
Hey, I am not knocking you on this, just pointing out the irony |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
380
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:44:00 -
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Vanyr Andrard wrote: It was just a little joke, or at least an attempt at one.
Confirming that sarcasm only works when it's obvious to drolling high sec industrialists.
Hope you learn from this mistake. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
380
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:45:00 -
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svenska flicka wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:svenska flicka wrote:Goons are very much like communism and you guys are the most vocal and adamant people in eve when it comes to pushing your playstyle on others. Some goons even became CCP developers (good ones.) Are we going for irony today? tomorrow sarcasm yes? High sec communist propeganda. Hey, I am not knocking you on this, just pointing out the irony It's not irony.
Our propeganda is aimed at improving the game for EVERYONE, yours is entirely based on improving the game for only high sec players, at the expense of null players.
Do you see how irony can not exist there? |
AzAkiR NaLDa
Real Simple Construction Yulai Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:47:00 -
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It is and always will remain a sandbox game. And in the sandbox there are always people who can't take it when someone throws sand at them. Bumping is part of the game. It is the exact same with can flipping and stuff like that. Don't want to get bumped in highsec? Don't afk mine or go to nullsec where afk miners are slaughtered for being afk. Or you could try to live with it. |
Phoenix Bibbs
Astra Enterprises Happy Endings
16
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Posted - 2012.10.25 20:40:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Tesal wrote:Bumpers live for threads like this. Tears, tears and more tears. Haha. Well they have been well nourished, then.
Please stop!! You're ruining my diet.
I would also like to take this opportunity to reaffirm my commitment to the New Order of High Sec and James 315. This thread alone has paid back the investment I made into the Order and as a shareholder I couldn't be happier. |
Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
86
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Posted - 2012.10.25 23:34:00 -
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I echo Phoenix Bibbs' sentiments. Best investment ever! It is never too late to turn from the errors of your ways: He who repents of his sins is almost innocent.
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