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Klandi
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.06.28 11:56:00 -
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As we can see by the financial reports, CCP need a certain amount of capital and one of the ways of raising money is to sell stock.
Would you consider investing in Eve (with CCP?)
Would CCP consider privately selling stock? (if that can be done)
Don't know how viable this idea is, but I enjoy being part of the solution rather than a contributor to the problem ...
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Aruken Marr
Gallente Noctiscion Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:02:00 -
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How much can ú1 get me?
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Klandi
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:04:00 -
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A kick in the pants from a boot purchased with AURUM from the NeX store ...
Cmon ppl - seriously
Would you invest?
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Najian
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:07:00 -
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If they ditch emo online I'd be pretty interested to invest in developing the EVE - Dust link. Depends a bit on the quality of Dust as stand-alone game and the planning of EVE. If they move past vanity items for semi-MT I dont really want to be associated.
I can afford a reallife monocle, that makes me a potential investor.
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Gillaboo
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:10:00 -
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No.
As much as the "allure" of owning a chunk of CCP would appeal to me, I'd have to own most of it before I felt the investment was worth it.
Besides, eventually, I'd only end up selling my shares to SONY anyway.
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"MONOCLE-FREE" and Proud Of It !!!!!
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Vicar2008
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:20:00 -
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Well,
Having just read some reports onthe CCP finances, I would be very loathed to invest in CCP, if it was Eve Online itself, sure, it makes profit as per 2010 Finacial reports, but it seems CCP has put most of there money sunk into Dust 514 and World of Darkness.
I dont think I am alone in thinking that Dust 514 as a concept is pretty nice idea, but I think its already competing in a huge market. Its a FPS first and foremost, its only going to be on Play Station 3, the background for Dust 514 is computer orientated EVE Online. I dont see Console Market players really be to interested in reading up on 7 Years off EVE Online. Its a dead duck. But it looks like CCP have invested so much Money, time and Effort its too late to turn back.
As for World of Darkness, tbh its a vamp game and I have a feeling that will probably do well if they can release it soonish, the market for that stuff at present is full on. Just look at the TV schedules.
Interesting times ahead.
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Flag Bravo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:21:00 -
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Well I laughed.
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Marcus Vorenius
Caldari Task Force 42
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:23:00 -
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Edited by: Marcus Vorenius on 28/06/2011 12:23:38 would you invest in a Pharma company with a research lab that uses ponies?
Twitter: #evepeasants "The No A**hole Rule" and A**hole Rating Self-Exam (ARSE)
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Kinuko
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: Kinuko on 28/06/2011 12:39:00 Edited by: Kinuko on 28/06/2011 12:36:30 It is very hard to invest in CCP right now;
Dust: Failure written all over it, if it sells more than 100k copies I'll be very very surprised
WoD: So much time in production yet it seems like they didn't even get engine right. Let's assume some form of miracle happens and they release WoD in 2013, how many computers will be able to run it as current carbon engine requires crazy amounts of processing for 1 char and 1 closet rendering.
MT: I don't buy this bull**** about MTs being the future, I have never used MTs and I know I won't because they cheapen the quality of the game and assume players are idiots. Introducing MTs into a P2P game screams our game is low quality.
Practically if they can solve the engine problems (seems very hard) WoD might get around 400k subsribers at best which will be profitable. Funny thing is they even got their WoD audiance wrong, WoD players are quite mature tabletop FRP fans yet they are aiming for twilight generation to buy the game and use MT to dress up their emo dolls, so much fail LOL. Chances are they won't even surpass the quality of VTM:Bloodlines.
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El'Niaga
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:40:00 -
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If I had sufficient capital I might consider it. But alas I do not.
However looking at the employee reviews at other sites I'd probably want some major corporate restructuring before investing major cash.
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Shintai
Gallente Arx Io Orbital Factories Arx Io
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:41:00 -
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A bad investment is a bad investment. So absolutely no. --------------------------------------
Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
Enarqie
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:44:00 -
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Iv already seen this around on the forums, but scrap the Aurum or keep it vanity, and put a donate button up, i for one would probably donate, id definetly donate over buy Aurum.
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Icecold Spacebeer
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Posted - 2011.06.28 12:52:00 -
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In general? Yes. Currently? No.
CCP has only one valuable asset in their financial report, their code. But code is only worth what someone is paying for it, so in reality they have only one other "asset": The trust of their players. And that is what they decided to burn.
- a full public japanese-style exposing apology by Hilmar during the CSM meeting (via live stream) with an non-BS explanation which mistakes they had done (to make sure they understand). - a better plan how to develop and publish Dust, how not to drop WoD completely and still invest more ressources into polishing EVE.
and we can talk business.
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Klandi
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:05:00 -
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See, the question was investing in Eve, and as some of you have pointed out, it would be CCP with Dust, WoD et al. To some extent I wish they had done an "Easy" and spun off the companies into self- sufficient startups and I suppose they do to now.
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Ulmega
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:06:00 -
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I would if they drop world of darkness.
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Malephar
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:07:00 -
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Maybe they could investigate options for offering stock in the company at reduced prices to veteran players!
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Ejit
Amarr STD contractors
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:08:00 -
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CCP need to work on their internal structuring. Before I'd even consider investing I'd like to see them clearly define a working corporate hierarchical structure and communications.
I suspect the atmosphere in the office is very blasT and belligerent in It's current relaxed party theme.
If they want some good ole British Army discipline I'd be more than happy to don my old combat gear and run them through some team building exercises. Hell even my kids are on parade every morning before school
But no, in It's current state I wouldn't consider it.
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Narisa Bithon
Caldari The Motley Crew Reborn
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:09:00 -
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no i wouldnt invest in a business with poor management.
just increase the sub by Ç5 a month and allow us to train all our toons simulateously on that account in return ccp.
ye get more money.... we get usable toons quicker but at no advantage on others cos everyone would get the same ability.
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Andrei Vassaliev
Cursed Inc. Not Found.
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:09:00 -
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Edited by: Andrei Vassaliev on 28/06/2011 13:09:41 As long as you pay your subscriptions, you are a CCP shareholder
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Vincentus
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:09:00 -
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In EVE itself, yes. CCP as a whole, no, unless I can use ISK to do that, which I doubt they are going to develop :)
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Klandi
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Andrei Vassaliev
As long as you pay your subscriptions, you are a CCP shareholder
Apologies - meant a stockholder. Good point though
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Moroccan Tourist
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:17:00 -
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who loves some mind numbing INTERNET space ship , and what the whole economy is driven by players? so now if i need an item i need to build it? what an annoying crappy idea ? what my space ship get blow up i lose it ? merging Dust an MMO an FPS what are you crazy?
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Klandi
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Moroccan Tourist who loves some mind numbing INTERNET space ship , and what the whole economy is driven by players? so now if i need an item i need to build it? what an annoying crappy idea ? what my space ship get blow up i lose it ? merging Dust an MMO an FPS what are you crazy?
Had too much Quaff today?
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Van Muchbetterer
Minmatar EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:26:00 -
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I general, yes, i would like to invest into CCP. EVE Online is a brilliant game, and i don't have problems with WoD. But the reason i would do it for is to make sure that EVE is not forgotten, it has a really great potential.
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Elienore
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:26:00 -
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No... I'd much rather buy shares in my local bank.
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Duke Hamilton1
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:28:00 -
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Throwing good money after bad are you crazy. To be Honest I can't see them getting out of a 11m hole. Thats a shedload of Monocles and subs as well as Dust 514 MT. Would take years to get a return,personally I just can't see it happening.
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DeODokktor
Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:33:00 -
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I am not convinced they are in dire striaghts. A bit of a pickle, sure... I would probably buy into it if they floated (they will not).
Having a product that earns 5mil profit a year should be able to get them a nice bit of investment tbh, 11mil in nov, and another 10mil in march doesnt seem to be a stretch at all to me.
Of course....RBS-L shares, and 2 year Greece Bond both seem like good investments to me ;P ----------- Never Forget the joy of finding a main to link to a scammer alt. N-y-p-h-u-r ! ! |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:35:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 28/06/2011 13:35:44
I'd buy CCP stock... ...WITH AUR//PLEX !!!
:rimshot:
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Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts
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Siestre Vitale
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:36:00 -
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yes, yes i would
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Costly Misstake
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Elienore No... I'd much rather buy shares in my local bank.
I just hope your bank isnt still basing its funding in Iceland
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:38:00 -
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Edited by: J Kunjeh on 28/06/2011 13:39:21 I absolutely would. I love Eve (duh) and I'm more than thrilled for both Dust514 and WoD.
Edit: but that doesn't mean I think they have their affairs in order. But I believe enough in CCP to fix their problems that I'd invest in a heartbeat. ~Gnosis~ |
Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:40:00 -
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If I could get 51% you bet! Owning a big company could be fun. Especially the one that is doing EVE.
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Skex Relbore
Gallente Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:48:00 -
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I would which is why I'd suggested the idea of selling private stock options via aurum. Hell could even tie vanity items to share ownership.
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Neu Bastian
Minmatar Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Klandi A kick in the pants from a boot purchased with AURUM from the NeX store ...
Cmon ppl - seriously
Would you invest?
No, mostly due to the stated here: http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm
If the CEO and Senior Management where to be changed, or someone was hired to make a corp out of their frat house, and delayed the develoment of either Dust or WoD, then maybe.
Otherwise it looks to me like they are not good at managing their resources, focusing their efforts and prioritizing. Aimless corp is aimless.
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Taius Pax
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Posted - 2011.06.28 13:55:00 -
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Invest in a company with questionable financials that's also personally ****ed me over?
bahahahahahaha
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Max Kolonko
Caldari Worm Nation Ash Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Duke Hamilton1 Throwing good money after bad are you crazy. To be Honest I can't see them getting out of a 11m hole. Thats a shedload of Monocles and subs as well as Dust 514 MT. Would take years to get a return,personally I just can't see it happening.
Can someone link their annual report? it was posted in some topic but the link was broken Max Kolonko |
Elienore
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Costly Misstake
Originally by: Elienore No... I'd much rather buy shares in my local bank.
I just hope your bank isnt still basing its funding in Iceland
Our local bank have most of the country as customers, and are doing very well (and was barely affected by the international financial crisis).
It's well worth whatever the shares cost.
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Benilopax
Gallente Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Benilopax on 28/06/2011 16:12:48 I would consider investing, I think despite the shaky ground CCP may be on they will definitely pay off from WoD when it comes out and dust is an exciting concept I support so would want to encourage that.
And a chance to have a say is always good. ----------------------------------- New Eden Chronicles: Prime, Coming soon. |
Taja Jolina
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:20:00 -
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build as a stock company - why not - so every stock paper for X $/Ç and so on .... and only for spending money for survival the plattform / company.
No profit sharing for the stock holders, but sometimes some voting for the next steps.
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kibeh II
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:22:00 -
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Sorry guys, as a Series 7 Registered Rep I can tell you CCP could not do a private placement of stock with the community, at least as far as Americans are concerned. I assume the EU has similar rules which would make it impossible to sell to most everyone else without an IPO which takes months of planning to do legally.
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Nin Kimrov
Minmatar Kenzi Arms and Munitions
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:33:00 -
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Certainly I want to be a share holder of CCP corporation, but I want to see results!
Not in the kind of money, but in the kind of a hybrid gun and faction warfare fix!
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Anoobis Aivoras
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:35:00 -
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If I could afford them, yes.
My first reaction to the news that CCP might go under and we lose Eve was "Well, make the players shareholders!"
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Takashi Halamoto
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Vicar2008
But it looks like CCP have invested so much Money, time and Effort its too late to turn back.
As for World of Darkness, tbh its a vamp game and I have a feeling that will probably do well if they can release it soonish, the market for that stuff at present is full on. Just look at the TV schedules.
Interesting times ahead.
three words, Sunk Cost Fallacy http://www.skepdic.com/sunkcost.html Me? im just sitting here,
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Mylor Torlone
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Klandi As we can see by the financial reports, CCP need a certain amount of capital and one of the ways of raising money is to sell stock.
Would you consider investing in Eve (with CCP?)
Would CCP consider privately selling stock? (if that can be done)
Don't know how viable this idea is, but I enjoy being part of the solution rather than a contributor to the problem ...
Poor business decisions point to this being an unwise investment.
WoD is likely to be lackluster, with DUST not too far behind. EVE is getting bad press while CCP themselves are made to look like fools.
Relying on new loans with such a big potential for product failure means I may want to wait until the products fail, the dust settles, and if CCP is still around, invest THEN and ride the value as they self-correct. They'll be forced to return to their roots, boost EVE and whatever surviving product, and will see a decent return on my investment if I get in from that anticipated low water mark.
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Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Icecold Spacebeer In general? Yes. Currently? No.
CCP has only one valuable asset in their financial report, their code. But code is only worth what someone is paying for it, so in reality they have only one other "asset": The trust of their players. And that is what they decided to burn.
- a full public japanese-style exposing apology by Hilmar during the CSM meeting (via live stream) with an non-BS explanation which mistakes they had done (to make sure they understand). - a better plan how to develop and publish Dust, how not to drop WoD completely and still invest more ressources into polishing EVE.
and we can talk business.
This^^^
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Sellendis
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:48:00 -
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On what percentage of stocks would we have a saying in anything? We (players) buy stocks, give them new money to fund Dust and WoFail and corp doesn't get restructured, so the joke is on us. If we bought a big share of holds, meaning some part of controlling package, than and only then we could influence the inside workings and structuring.
Would you invest in a company where a spokesman says "i have 1000$ pants, so F you poor people", if i cant get a 51% share and fire people i want left and right for being acting like *******s i dont wanna give them any money.
Free Helicity Boson
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OT Smithers
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:50:00 -
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YES.
I think WOD is gonna be a massive success and believe CCP is the right company to develop it.
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Solstice Project
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:50:00 -
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Definitly.
With the money, there comes more power. Also, i would never want them to close the game.
It's way too unique to let it die.
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Marckov
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:51:00 -
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I certainly would. I think CCP is a solid company with a bright future and so it would be a genuine investment rather than a charitable or fan donation. It's also an ethical investment.
My concern would be that shareholders' meetings might turn into a CSM for rich fans. Frothing hardcore fans ranting at you to fix lag is one thing, but when they are actually your bosses technically it might be a little harder to bear.
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Marckov
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Posted - 2011.06.28 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Sellendis On what percentage of stocks would we have a saying in anything?
There are different types of shares. This is determined by a company choosing to make a public offering of shares and of course is a factor in the value of the shares.
Essentially there are voting and non-voting shares. If CCP have any sense at all they will release non-voting shares to the fanbase. Otherwise it puts a new complexion on pay to win - a fan could buy 51% of the shares and then ban everyone in Goonswarm or something. Non-voting shares are a slice of ownership of the assets of a company and pay dividends. Depending on how it is set up you would also be entitled to attend shareholders meetings.
If they offer voting shares to the general public I imagine they would be in for a very rough time. Even if a majority of shares is owned by the original shareholders eventually those shares will get sold and someone could start collecting them up in a hostile takeover bid. That would allow anything including shutting down the company - if you take over it's your company to do as you wish with.
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