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![Tugrath Akers Tugrath Akers](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90759278/portrait?size=64)
Tugrath Akers
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Posted - 2011.06.29 16:40:00 -
[12991]
Originally by: Holden Heath http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/28/world-of-warcraft-starter-edition-lets-you-reach-lvl-20-for-free/
CCP's inspiration?
Does the starter edition cost $1500 and come with a free pair of pants?
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![Malak Alraheem Malak Alraheem](https://images.evetech.net/characters/340683248/portrait?size=64)
Malak Alraheem
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.29 16:40:00 -
[12992]
Originally by: Capsuleer Newton
Originally by: Hormus
Originally by: Mingloid
Originally by: Nath Blazek
Yes, how many times does this have to be answered? Aur for Scorpion is built
A base stat scorpion with a paint job is Vanity. There's no advantage to the paint job. No new slots, no added stats. It's just a Vanity item.
Yes, but players manufacture those. If you buy it from NEX then you bypass them.
During a discussion at the Alliance Tournament, CCP made a 180 on the Ishukone Scorpion, you'll need a regular scorpion and some aurum to convert it to the golden scorpion, and stats are the same as the regular scorpion. so, you could say it's just bling...
Yes, as I understood it from listening to him drone on, the purchase did require the player to submit a regular ship as part of the transaction (like the LP store). Personally I would still rather see you get a run BPC instead for it. . I'm as mad as I can take it and I'm not going to hell anymore!
I have reassigned my money for CCP to other projects for the next 18 months... |
![Kendra Wilkinson Kendra Wilkinson](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1091041183/portrait?size=64)
Kendra Wilkinson
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Posted - 2011.06.29 16:43:00 -
[12993]
Originally by: Holden Heath Edited by: Holden Heath on 29/06/2011 16:39:30 Skip the beginning of the game
CCP's inspiration?
i think the community are afraid for their sandbox and not asking for an attendedbox
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![Jimmy Duce Jimmy Duce](https://images.evetech.net/characters/674665365/portrait?size=64)
Jimmy Duce
Navy of Xoc
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Posted - 2011.06.29 16:43:00 -
[12994]
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Greed, is so distructive...
This question is for Eve and Eve only, I don't care if I can buy gold ammo for DUST players, as long as that isn't implemented in Eve we are cool. Hell use your legal team to come up with the answer specifying that other games that influence Eve may have gold ammo but Eve itself never will.
Quote:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Possible answer?
A simple no Eve itself will never have non-vanity AUR items but Dust and potentially other future tie in games may would have been sufficient...
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![Pesadel0 Pesadel0](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1817918633/portrait?size=64)
Pesadel0
the muppets RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.06.29 16:43:00 -
[12995]
So anything new?
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![Marcus Vorenius Marcus Vorenius](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1023422441/portrait?size=64)
Marcus Vorenius
Caldari Task Force 42
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Posted - 2011.06.29 16:45:00 -
[12996]
Originally by: Kendra Wilkinson
/snip
And yes Internet spaceships still a serious business
My apology as well - should have responded to your edit comment. It's all cool beans, no offence taken at all. Check around page 100 for offence, thats x-rated if the mods haven't cleaned it up yet :)
--- "The No A**hole Rule" and A**hole Rating Self-Exam (ARSE) Twitter: @jadarc |
![Vandrion Vandrion](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1126924126/portrait?size=64)
Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.29 16:47:00 -
[12997]
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Solomunio Kzenig
Originally by: Mingloid
A base stat scorpion with a paint job is Vanity. There's no advantage to the paint job. No new slots, no added stats. It's just a Vanity item.
Ahh my firend you miss the point completely, this Gold Scorp comes to you by magic for $$$, no minerals mined from the game, no loot refined from the game, no BPO researched, no BPC's copied, no production slots occupied making it, no player involved shipping it to market etc, etc, etc. and no player getting ISK for its production. So while it is technicaly a 'vanity item' its effect is game breaking.
Except, of course, that the process you describe was never intended to be the process when paint jobs become widely available.
When people said they would be nervous even about the short term, quick and dirty test that was proposed, they immediately decided to hold off a bit until the full system could be implemented.
Your point?
Did you listen/watch the interview during the AT9 broadcast about this ship? This was not a test. This was putting it into the game as a magic ship for dollars until late fall when they could design a bpc for it..... This is another example of the spin CCP has been putting on things. I don't care that the CSM was told it was going to be a tes. CCP Magic Ship Man said it was going to be out in to the NEX this summer and not "fixed" until fall.....
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![Grek Forto Grek Forto](https://images.evetech.net/characters/431863423/portrait?size=64)
Grek Forto
Crosshair Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:01:00 -
[12998]
Adding my voice to the concern that there might be non-vanity AUR items in the future.
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![Maya Firewish Maya Firewish](https://images.evetech.net/characters/782746506/portrait?size=64)
Maya Firewish
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:14:00 -
[12999]
"Nothing in the NeX is mandatory, no pilot is forced to buy anything from there." - GM Hxxxx. Who clearly has understood the issue.. |
![Markus Jome Markus Jome](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1252262835/portrait?size=64)
Markus Jome
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:15:00 -
[13000]
Originally by: Holden Heath Edited by: Holden Heath on 29/06/2011 16:39:30 Skip the beginning of the game
CCP's inspiration?
Do i see right that Blizzard is currently going the opposite way of CCP? Strike!
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![Roberto Esperanza Roberto Esperanza](https://images.evetech.net/characters/926595262/portrait?size=64)
Roberto Esperanza
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:20:00 -
[13001]
This game is/was wonderful because hardly any decision a player made about anything wasn't a superficial one. Now, we people that tired of that in other games and came to this game are going to have to leave this one to find something like what you used to be.
It's really kinda sad... This is an amazing business move, it's just too bad that it's at the cost of your core players. Just wait until you attract all of the 14 years olds to your new game, you'll miss that player base that you crucified. |
![Vandrion Vandrion](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1126924126/portrait?size=64)
Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:23:00 -
[13002]
Originally by: Ranger 1
That would be the definition of a limited duration test run.
They also said if the numbers sold began to have a negative impact on the economy, they could and would pull it at any time.
They also announced it in advance.
When they still got negative feedback on it, they listened to that feedback and cancelled the test until it could be implemented in a better way.
So reacting to player feedback is a bad thing now apparently.
It was in the day 1 coverage not the day 2 coverage. Starts at 3:15 in and clearly does not contain the word TEST. This is also the same time that the Dev "mis-spoke" on what he "mis-remembered" during the CSM visit. This was never designed as a test. Everything else after this was just back peddling and covering of their arse becuase of player backlash. Much like we are still seeing.
AT9 Ishukone Scorp.. 3:15 in starts the chat!
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![WCPistolPete WCPistolPete](https://images.evetech.net/characters/863677802/portrait?size=64)
WCPistolPete
Gallente MacroIntel
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:26:00 -
[13003]
Originally by: Maya Firewish "Nothing in the NeX is mandatory, no pilot is forced to buy anything from there." - GM Hxxxx. Who clearly has understood the issue..
Troll. Read the rest of the .pdf and email. It's not about NeX prices, it's about the can of worms that's been opened for play to win. The vocal crowd here is mostly comprised of those with some serious time invested in the game. Years upon years. What has been debated, suggested and, according to the .pdf, email and Zulu's first failblog, is that the NeX system will ultimately progress into a pay-to-win market. A logical progression of that would also be the ultimate removal of the ISK market and pay-to-play subscriptions in favor of pay-to-win. A pay-to win model would destroy the game as ma ny have known it and make it worthless to them.
And why are you afraid to use Hilmar's name in a quote? True troll fail. Or are you a CCP shill?
-- {WC}PistolPete "...going to take a lot of fireworks to clean this place up." Homer Simpson
Unsubscribed until further notice. Lurking because no one can turn away from a train wreck. |
![Maya Firewish Maya Firewish](https://images.evetech.net/characters/782746506/portrait?size=64)
Maya Firewish
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:30:00 -
[13004]
Originally by: WCPistolPete
Originally by: Maya Firewish "Nothing in the NeX is mandatory, no pilot is forced to buy anything from there." - GM Hxxxx. Who clearly has understood the issue..
Troll. Read the rest of the .pdf and email. It's not about NeX prices, it's about the can of worms that's been opened for play to win. The vocal crowd here is mostly comprised of those with some serious time invested in the game. Years upon years. What has been debated, suggested and, according to the .pdf, email and Zulu's first failblog, is that the NeX system will ultimately progress into a pay-to-win market. A logical progression of that would also be the ultimate removal of the ISK market and pay-to-play subscriptions in favor of pay-to-win. A pay-to win model would destroy the game as ma ny have known it and make it worthless to them.
And why are you afraid to use Hilmar's name in a quote? True troll fail. Or are you a CCP shill?
Not sure what you're on about. I know what the issue is about. That was the response I got from a GM when trying to talk to them about it. |
![Pesadel0 Pesadel0](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1817918633/portrait?size=64)
Pesadel0
the muppets RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:32:00 -
[13005]
Originally by: Maya Firewish
Originally by: WCPistolPete
Originally by: Maya Firewish "Nothing in the NeX is mandatory, no pilot is forced to buy anything from there." - GM Hxxxx. Who clearly has understood the issue..
Troll. Read the rest of the .pdf and email. It's not about NeX prices, it's about the can of worms that's been opened for play to win. The vocal crowd here is mostly comprised of those with some serious time invested in the game. Years upon years. What has been debated, suggested and, according to the .pdf, email and Zulu's first failblog, is that the NeX system will ultimately progress into a pay-to-win market. A logical progression of that would also be the ultimate removal of the ISK market and pay-to-play subscriptions in favor of pay-to-win. A pay-to win model would destroy the game as ma ny have known it and make it worthless to them.
And why are you afraid to use Hilmar's name in a quote? True troll fail. Or are you a CCP shill?
Not sure what you're on about. I know what the issue is about. That was the response I got from a GM when trying to talk to them about it.
Sorry but asking stupid questions = troll or errmm, you read and are slow .
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![Ron Whisper Ron Whisper](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1660150035/portrait?size=64)
Ron Whisper
Caldari Undiscovered Force
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:35:00 -
[13006]
Originally by: Maya Firewish "Nothing in the NeX is mandatory, no pilot is forced to buy anything from there." - GM Hxxxx. Who clearly has understood the issue..
Please try and keep track why everyone is mass suspending accounts and striking. It's not becouse it's manditory,.. the uproar here is becouse tehre is also plans of putting game affecting items and perks in the NEX shop. meaning,.. if you got money, you have a shortcut to training, if you got money, you got a shortcut to neural remaps, if you got money, you have ships with better stats, weapons you name it.
Do you remember the contest about the designs for a new space ship in EVE. This space ship is not the Noctis, trust me. There's a whole new class and array of ships being designed and moddeld, solely for the purpose of being sold on the NEX shop. Mark my word.
You know what made eve such a strong game? It's the fact that those who stick with it could train in to bigger and better ships. From a frig in a cruiser, from a cruiser to a battleship. from a battleship to a titan. Everything takes time and the reward is the achevement of getting those ships to their full potential. Creating skill perks, neural remaps, and so on is going to be a slap in the face of all loyal members of this community and a kick in the nuts to all people, valiantly sticking with eve for years at end.
Those people complimenting CCP on their achevements with the nex shop are either people who have been playing EVE for less than half a year and don't have the patiance we all had to show with this game while training our skills, are people that have the financial backing to be the pimp and walk around with a monocle and say, "i'm training in a month what took you a year". Last we have the group of people supporting CCP with their NEX shot who are either CCP alts or folks that like to troll (this being the group that should be completely ignored.
This is just a small piece of advice to CCP. The hate and disgust you are seing twords you and/or the NEX is about this fact(there's more issues, trust me,but this is amongst one of the major ones). If you want a way to Kill EVE, this is it. Half patches is something we already where used to, breaking trust twords the player is a new developement but something that can be repaired. Creating hate withing your community by putting the people with a big wallet on a peddistal and letting the people taht budget to play your game crawl the dust is going to create such a level of hate that you will see the rate of subscriptions decline more than you will see them grow.
Advertisement for your game is largely thanks to this community, creating hate and having people that have supported your game walk off becouse you want a bigger wallet is going to create you negative advertisement. That's something that has killed plenty of games in the past, and as loyal as your player base is, they will not stand for this. that much should be clear by now. EVE is not immortal, and staying on this path will kill it. CCP, YOU DON'T KNOW CCP Sreegs lies about new Forum security fail |
![Viibl Triibl Viibl Triibl](https://images.evetech.net/characters/175291646/portrait?size=64)
Viibl Triibl
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:42:00 -
[13007]
Originally by: Vandrion
AT9 Ishukone Scorp.. 3:15 in starts the chat!
I can't watch this video with a straight face anymore after hearing Helicity call CCP Zinfandel a "clueless phallus on legs".
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![Brainless Bimbo Brainless Bimbo](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1305976374/portrait?size=64)
Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:51:00 -
[13008]
Originally by: Maya Firewish "Nothing in the NeX is mandatory, no pilot is forced to buy anything from there." - GM Hxxxx. Who clearly has understood the issue..
The issue is suffering the consequences of it, so he¦s not actually understanding the mechanic; GM Hxxxx is quite frankly only fit to tell rookies to do the tutorials.
A Sand Box or Litter Tray. |
![IIlusive Man Kaiberus IIlusive Man Kaiberus](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90708181/portrait?size=64)
IIlusive Man Kaiberus
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Posted - 2011.06.29 17:58:00 -
[13009]
the only thing that i have a problem with is the Nobel Exchange / micro transactions in general.
The freedom of our identity should come with our subscription, plain and simple.
if not then ciao :D
(4 subs running out)
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![IIlusive Man Kaiberus IIlusive Man Kaiberus](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90708181/portrait?size=64)
IIlusive Man Kaiberus
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Posted - 2011.06.29 18:03:00 -
[13010]
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
Originally by: Maya Firewish "Nothing in the NeX is mandatory, no pilot is forced to buy anything from there." - GM Hxxxx. Who clearly has understood the issue..
The issue is suffering the consequences of it, so he¦s not actually understanding the mechanic; GM Hxxxx is quite frankly only fit to tell rookies to do the tutorials.
IT SHOULD'NT BE IN THE NEX STORE, THERE SHOULD BE NO NEX STORE, IT SHOULD BE FREE FOR ALL PLAYERS "you buy for isk like everything else"
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![Kewso Kewso](https://images.evetech.net/characters/245749311/portrait?size=64)
Kewso
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Posted - 2011.06.29 18:10:00 -
[13011]
Edited by: Kewso on 29/06/2011 18:11:16
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A Dysfunctional Playground |
![Kailithi Kailithi](https://images.evetech.net/characters/90009440/portrait?size=64)
Kailithi
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Posted - 2011.06.29 18:12:00 -
[13012]
Originally by: Maya Firewish "Nothing in the NeX is mandatory, no pilot is forced to buy anything from there." - GM Hxxxx. Who clearly has understood the issue..
Like you (yet another CCP puppet) he clearly does NOT understand the issue
The question - which you'd know if you had a single grey cell inside your vacuous, brown nosing head is NOT "Why are pilots made to buy NeX" it was, and some 13,000 posts later - all underanswered - still is WILL CPP be introducing game changing MT, Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
There has been - count them THIRTEEN THOUSAND replies in this thread, mostly asking the same question.
To my knowledge, there have been ZERO replies from the mysterious GM Hxxxxx
Including the intial post from CCP there have been a handful of posts (5, 6 ?) from CCP's - all NOT answering the question.
There have been ZERO, nil, null, nada, zip, buttkiss replies from the directors in this or any other thread - (I won't even comment on CCP Zulu's rage and avoidance issues in the dev blog)
Meh, I'm not wasting any more breath of you!
Even the gaming trade journals are asking questions about the handling of this PR Fail. Not just the players and gamers now, the other publishers, investors - and the TRADE JOURNALS - the programmers and artists CCP will need to finish Dust and WoD are all watching with a mixture of disbelief, bemusement and general "WTF? Seriously? No way dude!"
'WTF Hilmer, they asked you 13,000 times, answer already, you staring at a blank autocue?'
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![Zhula Guixgrixks Zhula Guixgrixks](https://images.evetech.net/characters/366317684/portrait?size=64)
Zhula Guixgrixks
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Posted - 2011.06.29 18:17:00 -
[13013]
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![Solomunio Kzenig Solomunio Kzenig](https://images.evetech.net/characters/400236820/portrait?size=64)
Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr Indicium Technologies Hephaestus Forge Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.29 18:19:00 -
[13014]
Erh... technically ÇÇP's COO has broken their silence, but all he did was blubber to some Icelandic mag about how horrible EVE players were and that they did not understand ÇÇP, oh and that ÇÇP was not going to listen to their playerbase etc.
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![Ron Whisper Ron Whisper](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1660150035/portrait?size=64)
Ron Whisper
Caldari Undiscovered Force
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Posted - 2011.06.29 18:23:00 -
[13015]
Originally by: Solomunio Kzenig Erh... technically ÇÇP's COO has broken their silence, but all he did was blubber to some Icelandic mag about how horrible EVE players were and that they did not understand ÇÇP, oh and that ÇÇP was not going to listen to their playerbase etc.
Realy, where did this happen,.. i'd like to find a written doccument of that so i can put it in my CCP fail links on my tag :P
CCP, YOU DON'T KNOW CCP Sreegs lies about new Forum security fail
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![Solomunio Kzenig Solomunio Kzenig](https://images.evetech.net/characters/400236820/portrait?size=64)
Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr Indicium Technologies Hephaestus Forge Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.29 18:26:00 -
[13016]
Originally by: Ron Whisper
Originally by: Solomunio Kzenig Erh... technically ÇÇP's COO has broken their silence, but all he did was blubber to some Icelandic mag about how horrible EVE players were and that they did not understand ÇÇP, oh and that ÇÇP was not going to listen to their playerbase etc.
Realy, where did this happen,.. i'd like to find a written doccument of that so i can put it in my CCP fail links on my tag :P
here
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![Abrazzar Abrazzar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/431543462/portrait?size=64)
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.06.29 18:29:00 -
[13017]
CCP could easily come with an absolute statement about non-vanity items in EVE without talking themselves into a corner as a games company. Something like:
"CCP will never introduce game balancing affecting items for sale with microtransactions into EVE as doing so will, considering the feedback on it, spell the end of EVE Online as is and that would be not in our interest as a company ever. Dust 514 however has to be specifically excluded as the business model for this game is FTP MT based, despite the effects it may have on EVE Online."
Then again, I heard Icelandic people have some cultural issues with expressing absolutes, from some 'What to consider when making business in Iceland" article. --------
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![Eclorc Eclorc](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1230133663/portrait?size=64)
Eclorc
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Posted - 2011.06.29 18:31:00 -
[13018]
Originally by: Ron Whisper
Originally by: Solomunio Kzenig Erh... technically ÇÇP's COO has broken their silence, but all he did was blubber to some Icelandic mag about how horrible EVE players were and that they did not understand ÇÇP, oh and that ÇÇP was not going to listen to their playerbase etc.
Realy, where did this happen,.. i'd like to find a written doccument of that so i can put it in my CCP fail links on my tag :P
http://www.mbl.is/frettir/taekni/2011/06/28/peningar_na_ekki_yfirradum/
translation:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mbl.is%2Ffrettir%2Ftaekni%2F2011%2F06%2F28%2Fpeningar_na_ekki_yfirradum%2F&sl=is&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8
and (maybe? better translation?)
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1541933
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![Vertisce Soritenshi Vertisce Soritenshi](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1736226571/portrait?size=64)
Vertisce Soritenshi
SHADOW WARD Tragedy.
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Posted - 2011.06.29 18:36:00 -
[13019]
After thinking a while on the issue I have come to the following conclusion.
The people ragequitting over this are a bunch of babies. Good riddance to you.
That said...Vanity Items are the only things that should be sold in the NeX market. However...if CCP want's to sell combat items such as ships or turrets or whatever...I say do it...but only in the form of BPC's. No actual physical item and no BPO's. BPC's only...this way even if a player purchases said BPC they still have to get the resources to build said items and then they can be sold on the Market to other players. This takes the P2W idea completely out since you can already buy PLEX to convert to ISK to buy anything you want on the market anyhow...the only problem is whether or not the NeX market bypasses production of an item or not. NO BOOBIES LEFT BEHIND! |
![Zhula Guixgrixks Zhula Guixgrixks](https://images.evetech.net/characters/366317684/portrait?size=64)
Zhula Guixgrixks
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Posted - 2011.06.29 18:39:00 -
[13020]
Originally by: Ron Whisper
Realy, where did this happen,.. i'd like to find a written doccument of that so i can put it in my CCP fail links on my tag :P
hey Ron thx for the link. IT **** :) And yes it was a "****UP of monstrous proportions". óóP shame on you :)
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