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Stormchyld
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Posted - 2011.06.24 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: visableone im upset that there was'nt one person in the whole of ccp who stood up and said
'NO, are you mad? you can't do this to my game, i love to play it and this would totally spoil it, we can't monetize third party apps now after all the community has done, we can't add MT for items in a new release of eve after they already pay a sub which allowed us to design and develop the expansion to begin with, and we certainly can't destory our player run market by adding in MT items that our players can not build for themselves'
was there no one in ccp that was opposed to this?
i cast a vote of no confidence with ccp
my real worry now is that years of delvelopment and money have been push into this,. and even if ccp were to turn around and address these issues, eve is in for some hard times over the comming year or so, to which i hope it recovers, but hope is all i have.
... +1 ... have been thinking the same thing.
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Stormchyld
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Posted - 2011.06.24 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Leon Razor
Originally by: Aineko Macx More fuel to the fire: http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Games-Reviews-E159347.htm
This was most troubling to read. I want to believe in the awesome that CCP advertises, but this makes me worry about how much of it is just a facade. You got me really excited about DUST at E3, and I even bought a PS3. I want it to succeed, since maybe then EVE won't bare the financial weight of supporting 2 unreleased projects. Carbon is another thing that sounds awesome, but now I'm worried it's just an excuse to develop for 3 games all at once which ends up diluting EVE. From that link, it sounds like you need to deal with internal management and communication. EVE is a great game that I want to be "forever", but if you make poor choices and the passionate players that make the game amazing leave, expect a rapid fail cascade until there isn't an EVE anymore. I don't want to see this happen. Remember, your a game company, but right now your only "real" product is EVE. Without EVE, there is no CCP.
...+1 ... that has me very concerned as well. maybe they should shelve WoD for now, if eve can't support all 3. their corporate culture is something they will have to want to change ofc.... hopefully today will show them they need to. if Eve had a cash flow problem before.... how much worse will it be now with so many people unsubbing? but yes, I agree 100% .. that link to eve employees rating their own company is rather poignant
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Stormchyld
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 21:57:00 -
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Edited by: Stormchyld on 24/06/2011 21:58:14
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Stormchyld
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Solvia it makes me sad that the longest thread on eve forum will be remembered in history as "the one where the fanbase tried to get a yes/no answer"
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Stormchyld
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Posted - 2011.06.26 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: Athelia III
Originally by: gbnf Make sure any MT's are for vanity only items.
^^ This. Im an old player. Im 36y old and a doctor. Its ok with the rest you made in this patch. I can live with it and choose not to load CQ or not to buy expensive monocle. But I dont want a rich new player flying a titan in a few days.
Thank you for the work you did so far CCP, and thank you for listening to us.
... CCP is going to be removing the option to deactivate CQ at some point in the future. |
Stormchyld
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Algathas "No gold ammo" is not the same as "no non vanity items". I definitely will not be renewing my subs until a real non-spin answer is given.
this..... I saw nothing in the statement that is a definite answer. just a dance around it w/o actually giving a direct answer yes or no. they are just giving the answer to one or 2 questions per statement w/o answering the direct q's. I hope the CSM can get more direct answers. there is also going to need to be work done on the performance issues with CQ enabled... esp if they continue to insist on removing the option to disable it. I always use at least 2 accounts at once and have zero interest in playing eve with a single account online. so CCP will actually see a fall in subs from the performance issues as well as people cancelling subs because of p2win. I thought CCP wanted more subs... not less.
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Stormchyld
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Posted - 2011.06.26 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Xeronn i supose u all understand that game changing RMT`ed items will mean they`ll change the pvp to be partially consensual or make some items/ships respawnable soon after...they can ignore whines about lost ships but...i doubt they will ignore someone who loses his 400$ toy due to lag or such stuff...
... I agree... I think pvp will see nerf's or changes to high sec engagement when people (esp kids) start losing tons of real cash. I don't want or desire for CCP to fail, I want them to succeed, but I'm having trouble being optimistic when I think about how much these things will change the game... in ways no one can foresee.
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Stormchyld
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.28 08:29:00 -
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Edited by: Stormchyld on 28/06/2011 08:30:28
Originally by: Steven internet I hope I'll see revenue from dust and wod going to developing eve online. I'm fed up seeing revenue from my subs leaking into games that I wont never play.
What comes into CQ. I, like many many others, play this game to fly spaceships killing spaceships while in space. If I would like to pimp my avatar, shake my virtual ass, walk, run, pose, chat, have a haircut or find a e-GF I would play some OTHER game.......
.... It's obvious to me that Eve is the test bed for their other projects. I'm not a programmer but the way that CQ uses to many resources (people on the highest end hardware are having major issues.. not all, but too many for a public release imo.. obv nothing was done with bug reports on sisi) seems to me that it's a very rough release and we are really the beta testers for refining the code that will go into either WoD, or dust, or both. So, in effect, the people that are staying and in particular the people submitting bug reports from the release of Incarna ARE the beta testers for other games. It's not anything new (imo anyway) but it hasn't been quite so blatantly obvious until this release. That's how I see it anyway.
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Stormchyld
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.28 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: RougeOperator
Originally by: Graava
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
Originally by: Graava With the financial problems, if we tip them over the edge then this may be the best thing for Eve.
An administrator will look at the company, its cashflow, its earnings, cancel WoD, cancel or mothball Dust and focus the company on the profitable part Eve.
very funny... destroy a large part of CCP's assets just for lulz.
TBH, the greater majority of Eve players could not give a flying f*ck about WoD or Dust. The fact that these titles are getting 90%+ of the dev resources which we are paying for and will have Eve downgraded to just another P2W shambles, this we do care about.
CCP abandons eve its cash cow. Sums it up.
If they will do this to us while we are the cash cow. I can only imagine how bad they will treat us when they their other games up and running.
... +1 ... I can absolutely see that happening |
Stormchyld
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.28 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Haradriel Tian A plex is no different the a person that already paid for a subscription in advance. By the logic being used if I pay for my sub a year in advance. Im a liability until my sub comes up again? Just cause im not spreading out my payments.
I don't see it as a liability as many present it to be. CCP gets IRL money for them. Its simply the same as people buying subs for blocks of months or a year. You just need to spread out that income out.
They just need to plan around them better. Such as when you pay for a block of months they need to consider that income split up over those months. They should be able to come up with a formula based on plex redemption to account for them.
And technically they make more on plex since its at full price and not discount as it is for long term subscribers. Plex users are actually paying more to play the game when you think about it.
... there are several good threads in the Market Discussion forum section that I think sums up the financial situation eve is in right now. this is one of the better ones imo. altho there are most likely others. I think if more people read some of these they would have a much better perspective about all of this.
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1541148
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Stormchyld
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Posted - 2011.06.28 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Saving Face
Originally by: Stormchyld ... there are several good threads in the Market Discussion forum section that I think sums up the financial situation eve is in right now.
Unfortunately the one you quoted doesn't get it.
CCP itself lists PLEXes as a liability as they are revenue they can not recognize until the subscription period actually starts. It's not something people are presenting it as, it's something that CCP does so they can put them on their balance sheet at all. The term "liability" doesn't actually have a negative connotation in that context. It's standard practice for subscriptions that are paid up front.
And they are considering the income split, or more accurately they don't have to in terms of liability. When you credit a PLEX to your account they can start recognizing the revenue from when it was originally bought, therefore reducing liabilities in their balance sheet.
They only problem they could have with PLEXes is the reduction in cash flow, but that is capped at $3 million in total, and applying all of it in short time is near impossible. You would need about 200k normally paid subscriptions to pay with a PLEX for the same month. Not going to happen.
....mkay.. I know enough about finances to fill a thimble. I just thought the discussions over there were informative and might shed more light on why they are going in the direction they are going. |
Stormchyld
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Posted - 2011.06.28 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Saving Face
Originally by: RougeOperator If a lot are cashed in all at once, they could find they are not making enough new money at that point to cover expenses.
They are already not making enough new money to cover their expenses. The PLEXes in existance are a lot less and even if you wanted to hurt CCP it would be borderline impossible to use them in a way that has an impact beyond a few $10k per month. They are already burning $700k or so per month due to WoD/Dust development so PLEXes are not a very big deal.
.. I have a sinking feeling there is more to the sony rumors than CCP is letting on about. |
Stormchyld
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.28 22:22:00 -
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link originally posted in another thread by Care Bear king, ... a better translation of the article the COO did recently with a local ielandic newspaper. http://www.failheap-challenge.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2434&start=940 |
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